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Earnings Call: Q1 2023

May 10, 2023

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Thank you to everybody who's attending today. There's still more being admitted into the room. There's a lot to talk about, and we always get a lot of Q&A on this. I'm going to dive right into it. Sorry, let the Chairman and CEO, Ed Wegel, dive right into it, and Ryan Goepel, CFO, to talk about the first quarter results and an outlook for 2023. With that, Ed and Ryan.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

Great. Thank you, Grant. Thanks to everyone who's joining our call today. We appreciate your interest and your support and hope that we'll be able to give you a good presentation. Today, as you know, we reported our first quarter earnings. First, I would like to say thank you to our 436 team members for their great work in this quarter, during which we received our cargo certification and started cargo operations while battling some uncontrollable events in January and February. As we battled through those, we delivered a record revenue result in March of this quarter. We'll get into the events, the uncontrollable events and how we dealt with those later in our presentation.

I will say this, g iven the progress we made in the first quarter in building the platform and setting up the company for a huge second half of this year, Q1 was a very, very good quarter for us. In the process, we're building a very resilient and resourceful workforce that can ensure our airline operates safely and efficiently every day. I wanna talk first before we get into the presentation about our approach to this business. It is important for investors to understand how we think about our airline and our short and long-term planning. We have gotten to where we are today, nine passenger aircraft, soon to be 10, and one A321 freighter aircraft, soon to be two, with full 121 Flag certification with every other certification available to us except ETOPS, which we are on track to receive in November of this year.

We can operate this airline now worldwide. We've done this with $28 million of capital, with $7 million of that $28 million in cash deposits on our balance sheet. We have minimized shareholder dilution. We have been extremely careful how we raise money, and we have used the money we do have to continually invest in this business. In my view, this board and this management team have done an exceptional job building this platform for minimal dollars and minimal dilution. We've done this in a very uncertain economic and geopolitical environment. We went through the end stages of COVID and Omicron. This is after certifying this airline through the very, very bad days of COVID. Rising interest rates, inflation, rising oil prices, war in Eastern Europe, falling cargo demand, combined with an intense war for talent, particularly with pilots.

We're constantly juggling a number of forces which impact our business, and that impacts the pace of aircraft deliveries. Having said that, since certification, we have taken delivery of an aircraft once every 2.5 months. Once every 2.5 months. That's pretty darn good. To take delivery of an aircraft requires months of planning. It also requires having trained crews, cockpit crews, cabin crews, cash for deposits, and for the conformity of the aircraft. It is an intensely choreographed effort to put an aircraft on a U.S. 121 certificate. For us to be at 10 and soon 12 aircraft on our certificate, including freighters, is a remarkable achievement. We have been planning ongoing for the rest of our aircraft deliveries this year, subject of course to DOT and FAA approvals.

What is our approach to this business? It's important for you to understand how we view this. Let's get to the first slide. This is our approach to the business. We take a long-term view of this business. Many charter airlines wanna get to five or six airplanes and think that they can just make money for the next 30 years. That is a not sustainable approach, and we have seen many charter airlines go out of business because of that. We take a long-term view. We are going to build a durable, sustainable, and long-term profitable U.S. charter airline. We continually reinvest in the business. We're undercapitalized for sure, but we take the dollars that we have and every dollar goes back into the business. We're adding aircraft, both passenger and cargo aircraft.

We're hiring and training pilots. We'll get into the number of pilots that we've been able to hire and train over the last two quarters. It's quite remarkable. We use information technology to its full capabilities to move towards total paperless airline. We integrate ground handling and fueling to better control our product. We invest in our ground handling operations, and we seek diversified revenue streams to reduce our overall risk. Again, let me stress, we take a long-term view of this business. We are in this for the long haul. We are building a platform. We are investing in our business.

We are making sure that we've got a platform that's scalable and can take additional aircraft or passenger and cargo aircraft, that we can ramp up our people and our infrastructure in a way that is sustainable and we can do within our budget requirements. That's our view of the business. I think if anyone believes that we should take a different approach, then this investment may not be for you. Q1 is a reflection of our approach. Cargo, a fter two years of planning. We started cargo planning pretty soon after we started the certification process on the passenger side. We knew because of the long planning time that's required to operate cargo airplanes, as well as get those cargo airplanes under LOI and under lease, that we had to start early.

We tied up 15 A321 freighters even before we were certified as a U.S. 121 airline. Certification happened in the 1st quarter of this year, and we received our first airplane. That airplane is now operating and operated for 21 days in Q1. Tremendous amount of effort, sweat, tears, and cash to do that. We invested in this business. This now is going to be one of the main drivers of our growth in the years to come. Cuba. Big, important part of our strategy is to be the dominant charter operator to Cuba. We are now in that position. We've laid a strong foundation. We fly for the three largest tour operators to Cuba. We dominate that sector. It's a good foundation of revenue for us each month.

Pilots. We invest in pay and benefits to reduce attrition, along with intense focus on recruitment and training. We did a tremendous amount of that, and we'll get to a slide where we show how many pilots we have been able to recruit and train and retain, which is the most important of those three words, as we move forward. Infrastructure. We're building our IT systems, but as well, we're building a great team of dispatchers, crew schedulers, flight attendants, finance, other team members within this organization. It's important to have each one of those teams operating, and as we like to say, we are a team of teams, and we have built the infrastructure for a sustainable platform that we can grow and scale and be sustainably profitable.

Our certifications. In the first quarter, culminating 18-24 months of work, we received our DoD, Department of Defense approvals. We received our IOSA certification, for which allows us to operate for other airlines. We received our EASA certification, which allows us to operate to and within Europe, which is very critical as part of our business plan as we move forward. We've started ETOPS certification in Q1, and we expect to receive our certification sometime in Q4 of this year. That will allow us to fly the North Atlantic as well as to Hawaii and other destinations in the Pacific once we have that certification. Our commentary on Q1. Traditionally the slowest quarter in commercial aviation. Every major airline and most of the ULCCs lost money in the first quarter.

We are different than a scheduled airline. There's some different elements of our first quarter that impacted our profitability, which we'll talk about. We had some significant scheduled maintenance during Q1 as a result of the leases that we put in place. We got tremendous lease benefits because of the scheduled maintenance that was scheduled as part of our acquisition of those aircraft. We had to endure that during the first quarter. We got through that. It effectively reduced our fleet by two aircraft. We knew that going in. We had planned for it. That allows us now to be relatively heavy maintenance-free for the balance of the year. We accelerated hiring and training of pilots and flight attendants to allow us to execute what is a robust, sold-out summer schedule. We'll talk about that in a moment.

As mentioned, we added two major tour operators to our Cuba operation effective of March first. This gives us a stable long-term cash flow, $3 million from those two major tour operators. With a third operator, we're up well over $4 million per month, which is a great foundation of revenue for us as we move forward. As I said, we finalized and received our key certifications, DoD, IOSA, and our TCO for EASA. We signed LOIs for two additional A320 passenger aircraft, we had a deferral of a major U.S. government contract that we had planned for, which we had started to fly in December of last year. Because of some issues within the U.S. government about how they were treating transborder issues on the southern border, this contract had to be deferred.

Now, we are starting to pick up that work here in May, and that will continue for the balance of the year. We will eventually pick up all of that revenue again, but it impacted Q1. Outside of our control, we worked with our major client, the U.S. government, to mitigate that. We were able to get some other contracts in place quickly to sort of mitigate that, but we didn't go as far as possible in order to get to a break even in Q1. Had we had that major contract, and had we had a few less issues on getting our aircraft out of scheduled maintenance, our Q1 would have been break even or slightly positive. Let me say that again.

After two issues outside of our control, both of which now we believe will be to our benefit as we move forward, we would have been break even in Q1 as we had predicted. As well, we had invested in the business in terms of cargo and aircraft and systems and people. In my view, again, Q1 was a huge success for us. I'll ask Ryan to start going through some of our metrics.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

One of the key elements that we talk about is we're more than just an airline. Many people categorize us as an airline. We try and position ourself more as a service company. As a service company, we sell block hours. You know, our metric, our key metric is how many block hours. A block hour, for those who don't know, is when an aircraft pushes back from the gate, the blocks come on, and then the aircraft gets pushed back to the gate, and the blocks go on. It's flight time plus taxi. The number of block hours per month is a key metric we track. The other key metric we track is how many block hours we fly per aircraft per month.

Both of these, as you can see, have had double, if not triple-digit growth since March of last year. We're continuing to see that trend going into the summer. A key element in order to fly this aircraft and to perform these block hours is our pilot pool. As you can see, our pilot pool has grown from 65 to 85 or 60 to 85 over the course of the quarter, a 41% increase. We'll also allude to, I guess, in a bit later slide, we've been continued that hiring into Q2. We'll give you an update on that.

Again, the net aircraft days per month, as you can see, despite our block hours growing at 110%, our net aircraft days have only grown by 35%, which means we're utilizing the existing assets more effectively and more efficiently and bodes well for what we consider our growth plan going forward. Looking at the Q1 2023 results, $32.2 million in revenue, which is our best revenue month or best revenue quarter, sorry. Adjusted EBITDA of $2.5 million and adjusted EBITDA of $2.9 million. The key adjustments we put in to factor in is $500,000 for share-based comp and $1.4 million for pilot training and $240,000 for a cash lease accounting adjustment.

What I think this reflects is our ability to start delivering profit and how close we are to becoming a profitable airline, but while reflecting the investment we're making in our crews and infrastructures in Arlington.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

The important issue is here now, the loss of $2.9 on the EBITDA line. Had we had the revenue from the contract that was deferred, we would have been closer to $40 million in revenue, and that would have been just a blowout quarter for us. Sometimes things happen in this business, sometimes they happen in sequence, that's what occurred in Q1. We don't see this as any indication of the sustainability and the profitability of this platform. Again, we built the platform through this whole quarter, set us up for what should be a very robust second half of this year.

Again, had we not deferred that revenue from Q1 until later in the year, we would have been breakeven or profitable for this quarter, even with all of the investment that we took into this business. We need to emphasize that when we invest in this business, in training, in recruiting, in hiring, and all the other things that we do here in the company, we expense them immediately. There's very, very little that gets capitalized. So while we're creating assets for the company, we are expensing them as we go. This leaves us clean as we move forward, so that we've got good comparisons month-over-month and quarter-over-quarter, as we move forward.

Our outlook for 2023, we're reaffirming our forecast of $140+ million in revenue and a positive EBITDA. 75% of the $140 million is under contract. The balance will be under contract here very soon. We expect unofficially to do much better than $140 million, but right now our guidance is between $140 million and $145 million, frankly, for this year. A little over 12,000 hours have been contracted for 2023 to date. We have the potential to contract up to an additional 10,000 hours, depending upon aircraft delivery dates, which is a fluid element of our business, and we'll discuss that in a few moments.

This compares to about a little over 10,000 hours that we contracted in 2022. Fleet size target at the year-end, again, passenger between nine to 12 aircraft and cargo, two to six aircraft. This all depends on the final DOT approvals and our ability to get these aircraft out of heavy maintenance and delivered to us on time, which is a industry-wide problem at this point, both on new aircraft deliveries coming from the OEM as well as used aircraft going through maintenance to be delivered to another lessee. In addition to this, later this year, we will start Department of Defense contracts. We're already bidding on some. We will complete our ETOPS, which allows us to operate over water, 180 minutes. We will finalize our Colombian AOC applications.

We are actually entering phase 3 of our AOC process in Colombia, which is the Colombian CAA, their version of the FAA, reviewing our manuals and moving us on to the last phase, which are putting blanks. We're focused like a laser on expanding both passenger and cargo charter businesses in 2023. We're well on track. Our revenue is there, our systems are there, our people are there. All of the infrastructure that we need to deliver in the second half of this year have been developed between the fourth quarter of last year and the first quarter of this year. We have set the stage for great growth, profitable growth, and long-term sustainability of this platform. This gives you a sense of the breadth and depth of our operations that we'll conduct this summer.

This just shows the scheduled operations. When I say scheduled, we're a charter airline, but we provide essentially scheduled operations every day to Cuba, scheduled operations every day to the Dominican Republic and scheduled operations to Cancun. As well, we will be operating out of Calgary for a Canadian airline called Lynx into L.A., Las Vegas, and Phoenix. We will be operating for Red Way out of Lincoln, Nebraska, to Las Vegas and Orlando, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Austin, and Dallas. We have some other scheduled operations for other airlines that are shown here. This gives you an idea of the breadth of our North American operation this summer. You can see on the bottom as well, we've blown out the Cuba operation. You see that we fly to four cities there as well as Cancun.

We will start operations into Haiti at the end of this month, and operations into Santo Domingo and La Romana are year-round, and this summer will peak with as many as eight or nine flights a week into the resort towns in the Dominican Republic. We are the only charter operator into the Dominican Republic this year from North America. We have gained 100% market share, U.S. charter market to the Dominican Republic. Next is our operations in Europe. We'll fly two airplanes for TUI fly Netherlands, out of Amsterdam. This is the initial schedule that we've been given. We will fly 400 hours per aircraft per month over two months, and then one aircraft in September. They've already asked us to extend the operation through the month of September with one aircraft.

This is a great operation for us. We'll be operating all over Europe, the Mediterranean, North Africa, Turkey and Greece. We're really looking forward to this. As you know, our operations last year were impacted by regulatory approvals. All of that has been solved. We've received all the approvals that we need. We have a great relationship with TUI. We now have a three-year deal with them. We're now talking to them about operations in the U.S., where we can combine our strengths and our synergy and operate for tour operators here in the U.S. with some of their aircraft and our infrastructure and back office operations. We're looking forward to a great summer, all over Europe, all over North America, all over the Caribbean.

As well, on top of this, we have all of our ad hoc operations. We'll be flying to Greenland this summer for cruise lines. We'll be flying all over South America and Central America, and we'll be expanding our cargo operations starting this summer so that we'll pick up another post office route as well as routes out of Mexico and Texas into some of the industrial cities in the Northeast on behalf of some automakers and some others. Our cargo operations on top of our scheduled passenger operations lead us to a very, very robust summer. We'll talk about the block hours that we project for this summer and on into the fall. These are two aircraft that we recently added to the fleet. On the left is another airplane that we took from Alaska Airlines.

We've got a very good lessor, Airborne Capital, that we have been working with. We chose to paint this in what we would consider a retro livery. It's got a lot of interest and a lot of kudos for this particular livery that we put on this airplane. As well, we took our first cargo aircraft, N410GX. We received that in February, finalized all of our cargo certifications, and that airplane started flying on March 10th. It's had a 100% dispatch reliability, lower fuel burn than what we had been projecting, and greater reliability. The customers that we have flown this airplane for love the aircraft, love the lower belly loading system, love the fact that it's 50% more volume than its main competitor. It's just a great airplane.

We've got 15 more of these coming over the next 24 months. Again, when we've shown this slide previously, we're moving towards 30 aircraft by the end of 2024, moving more towards a mix, an equal mix between passenger and cargo aircraft. Now we'll eventually get there probably in 2025, we still see this as our evolution of aircraft over the next two years. This is all impacted by a number of things as we've discussed. Heavy maintenance prior to delivery. We've experienced delays in every aircraft that's come out of heavy maintenance, just like every other airline around the world has been experiencing. It's subject to having crew availability. We have to recruit, hire, and train pilots and flight attendants.

That's a constant process, and it impacts our ability to take aircraft on a certain schedule. As well, other factors, including our ability to put these aircraft to work to ensure ourselves that we've got contracts that we can fly for these aircraft as soon as they're on the certificate. We feel very comfortable with these numbers over the next two years. This is our delivery plan. The A320 was delivered. N411GX, which is our next freighter aircraft, which brings us to two freighters, now should be delivered the last week in May. We'll need to do some conformity and some regulatory work on that airplane, but we expect that airplane to be flying in revenue service in early June.

Let me stress, and all of you know this because we have talked about it. Our first freighter aircraft was delayed about six and a half months coming out of conversion. This second airplane, the second freighter, is gonna be delayed about eight months. If we had had both of these aircraft as we had projected in the December of last year, our profitability. We would have had an additional $6 million of revenue in Q1. We were impacted by their ability to get these aircraft out of the MRO, get the components and parts that they needed, get the manpower that they needed to get these aircraft converted and get them to us. Significantly negatively impacted by the inability of the MROs to get the aircraft to us, and that will continue for some time.

We are making the best of it. These aircraft are coming in as soon as we can get them, and we are putting them out to work as soon as we can get them. Our target plan for the rest of the year is several additional A320 passenger aircraft as well as several additional freighter aircraft. Again, we are impacted by their ability to deliver the aircraft out of heavy maintenance, and so some of these dates will slip. That's okay. We will deal with that, and we will adjust. We'll get these airplanes in, and we'll get them to work as soon as we can, which is another way of saying that we need to take a longer-term view of this business. There are lots of factors outside of our control that impact our ability to operate.

We have a team that knows how to adjust to that. We have a team that knows how to accommodate those issues. We just have to work through it like every other airline is working through it as we speak. I'm entirely confident in our team to be able to adapt to delays in aircraft and delays in deliveries and the impact that has on our customers and our operations. We know how to deal with that. We've dealt with it over the last year, and we will continue to do so. Take a longer-term view of this business. Where are we going to be a year from now? Where are we gonna be two years from now? Short-term issues and events that affect us do not impact our longer-term vision for this airline and what we will accomplish.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

Passenger sales, we've discussed many of these elements, but this is sort of a way of summarizing it. The two major tour operators generating about $3 million a month. Over 600 hours with Lynx Air. 240 hours a month with Red Way Air out of Lincoln, Nebraska. That's starting as a three-month program. We expect that to be year-round. 150 hours per month for four months with a Caribbean airline, which we expect to be extended as well. In addition to the 2,000 hours per year with TUI for the next three years. We've executed on our March Madness strategy. We talk about our servicing the NCAA. We operated over 70 flights over three weeks. Almost 50% of all flights are March Madness. Focusing on securing for the fall.

When we look at contracts to be secured, we're focusing on securing NCAA football, Department of Defense, and hopefully basketball and other government business. With a sold-out summer, that's where our sales focus is really tied to right now. Going into cargo, as Ed alluded to, we operated 21 days in Q1. The second aircraft will start on June 1. First aircraft, 100% dispatch reliability. Operating costs and fuel burn less than forecast, really proving out the economics of this aircraft. With the lower belly system now installed, it's a big differentiator versus the competition, which is really 737, 800 and 757. We're very excited to go with this bought product. We're excited having 15 more of these coming online. We're even more excited about what our customers are reacting to and truly understand the economics of this aircraft. Business comes down to economics.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

We had projected and expected 6 aircraft months of freighter operations in Q1. We ended up with 21 days. We're gonna operate this airplane for the next 15 years. A blip in Q1 where we had some delays in aircraft that we worked through, and instead of six aircraft months, we ended up with a little less than one. It's frustrating, and it impacted us short-term. Again, let me say, we're gonna be operating all of these airplanes, some of them for as long as 15 years, some for 10 years, but many of them for as many as 15 years. This is a great airplane for the market, it's a great airplane for us, and we take a long-term view of this business.

We are going to build a very, very robust, very sustainable cargo business around this aircraft, and then its sister ship, which will be the A330 cargo aircraft, in the next year to two years. Had we had six aircraft months available to us of cargo aircraft in Q1, that's almost $7 million in revenue. We ended up with a little less than $1 million in revenue. Again, it's one quarter in one year. We're going to be operating this airplane for 15 years. Pilot recruitment is something that we focus on at an 8:00 A.M. meeting every morning here in this conference room. In Q1, we grew our pilot headcount by a little over 40%. In Q2 to date, another 30%.

Utilizing the agreements that we have in place now to increase our pipeline, and we've talked about this before, OSM, CAE, L3. Our use of the Colombian AOC, once we get through that certification process. Will allow us to attract pilots there that will fly on the Colombian certificate until we can get them up into the U.S. We will also use those pilots to fly intra-Latin America as well as from Latin America to the U.S., which takes some pressure off of our need for U.S. based pilots. We are getting much, much better at this for a number of reasons. One, we are seen as a stable, sustainable airline now that we've reached 10 airplanes, and given the progress that we've made in cargo and our certifications. Some pilots who have left us for major airlines are—

We've got two calls from pilots this week asking if they could come back to GlobalX. The grass is not as green at some of these major airlines as many of them think, and some of them have asked to come back to us. We think that's a pretty good sign. We've been successful in our recruiting and hiring effort for pilots, both direct entry captains as well as first officers. As we grow, as we get stronger, as we show that we have a quality of life here that is better than other places where they can fly, and that word gets out through the pilot ranks throughout the industry, we think that we will do better than our fair share of pilots and good pilots as we move forward.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

Yeah. One thing that I wanted to touch on is on the investor relations side. We did have an issue. I wouldn't say an issue. There was concern, I think, on the last call as it related to warrants that were expiring. On April 26th, 4.6 million warrants did expire, which reduced our fully diluted share count by, you know, a little under 8%. If you look on the right, an updated cap table of our common Class A and Class B. We also show our existing warrants that are outstanding. It should be noted, of those 11 million warrants, 9 million of those warrants are restricted in the sense they can't convert into more than 4.9% of common equity.

From that perspective, it's likely those will go to expiry if they do get converted. If you look at the fully diluted number, again, one of the elements of the recruitment is on RSUs. We really do encourage employee ownership and employee RSUs for retention. Most of those vest over three years. Again, I think our capital structure as it is right now is pretty tight considering where it was from the beginning and to where we are now. If you look at some of the initiatives we did in Q1, we have a digital program, and it's increased our mailing list by 14,000 names. Many of you are on it. Attended two major microcap conferences, Planet MicroCap and Sequire in Puerto Rico. Registered to present at the Gravitas Conference June 5th in Los Angeles.

We are still planning an up-list in conjunction with growth and capital raise in 2023. It will not be a Q2 event. It will be later in 2023 as our ambition, as we've alluded to on the previous call.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

As we said in the press release that we put out today, we're in active, and I would say advanced discussions with a number of equity funds and other credit funds about financing our business going forward. We've got a tremendous amount of interest. I need to be careful about what I say, but I think that we are in good position. And let me stress something that I said in my preamble to this presentation. This management team has been very, very diligent and very, very careful in how we raise money and how much money we raise, and the dilution that results from that. I think that we've done it between us and the board of directors, we've done a great job in managing that.

We have gotten to this point in our life cycle with $28 million of cash. $28 million. $7 million of which we still have. It's on our balance sheet for deposits for airplanes and airports and other deposits that we have to make. Given the progress that we've made, 121 Flag carrier with all of the certifications that we have, plus cargo, plus the ability to tie up 15 A321 freighters, all of those things combined for the price tag that we have brought this in for and the dilution or the minimal dilution that we believe we have endured, I think is a tremendous statement about this management team and this board of directors in delivering value to its shareholders. Are we frustrated with the share price?

We see a lot on social media, and I get a lot of messages beating me up over it, and all I can say is I have more shares than anybody out there. If anybody is as frustrated about the share price, it's gotta be me. What I do is I come in here every morning at 7:00 A.M., and I don't leave until 7:00 P.M., and we work hard every day, including Saturdays and Sundays, to build this company to create shareholder value. We will continue to do that. We have a tremendous platform that we have created, and we're about to reap the benefits of that as we get into the second half of this year. We will do what we can, in outreach. Brian has done an incredible job.

He must talk to 30 or 40 investment groups every week, about who we are and what we're doing. He attends the conferences. We have Zoom calls. We are getting the word out there. A lot of this is restricted because of our, where we are listed. Many institutions will not be able to invest in us until we get to Nasdaq. We think about Nasdaq or the New York Stock Exchange just about every day and how we can get there. I will assure you that we are focused on that and doing everything that we can to get there. No one is as interested in the stock price as I am. I'm more interested right now where we are in our life cycle as a company.

I am more interested in ensuring that we have built a sustainable, profitable platform that can continue to grow and continue to compete effectively against our competitors. We have put all of the building blocks in place, certifications, aircraft, people, infrastructure to do that. That's the most important thing at this point, because we take a long-term view of this business and we're creating long-term value for our shareholders. Finally, just something that we wanted to ensure everyone knew, and we're quite proud of this. We work very, very hard here to create a culture with the right set of values, the way we work with and we treat our team members. We went through a pretty rigorous certification process with surveys and interviews with our team members by an outside group called Great Place To Work.

They have certified companies like American Express and Delta Air Lines and others. We went through that process and we received our certification for this coming year. We're quite proud of that. We're putting that in all of our recruiting materials, especially to pilots and flight attendants. We think that this indicates that we're on the right track in terms of building a culture with a set of values that will allow us to maintain this airline and grow it profitably in the years to come. With that, Grant, I'll turn it back to you for questions. Again, we appreciate everyone, your interest and support on this call. Grant, fire away.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Right, great job as always. As I say every quarter on these webinars, try and find me another company listed on a junior exchange in North America that's accomplished as much for so little as you folks have. Congratulations. A number of questions already, I'll get right into it. 400+ employees. Can you please tell us what your monthly payroll is, including taxes and benefits?

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

I think I would hate to quote a number and be wrong. It will be in our Q under salaries, wages, and benefits. Just divide that by three.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

That includes-- Let's talk about the various categories within that. That includes all of our ground handling and fueling operations here at MIA, which is approximately 60 to 70 people, right? That is in place because it effectively reduces our overall costs. By having those people in place, it reduces our ground handling costs on a turn of our aircraft here in Miami from the market rate, which is about $2,900 a turn, down to about $1,500 a turn. That's a very, very effective use of capital and a very effective use of team members because it reduces our overall cost.

On the fueling side, we are now at break even with all of the fuelers and the fuel trucks and so forth that we use. The important thing about our fueling operation is it ensures that our aircraft depart on time. The other fuelers here at MIA, at Miami International, are not very good. We were experiencing delays every day, sometimes two or three hours, because they focus on American Airlines here at MIA, and we were always an afterthought. We went and got our own certificate to fuel our own airplanes. Now we're on time, and we're breaking even, and now we are approaching other airlines to fuel their airplanes. We expect this to be a profit center for us, in the next quarter to two quarters.

On the other categories, we've got obviously pilots, little over 100 pilots, which we need to fly the summer schedule. Flight attendants, again, to fly the summer schedule, about 150 flight attendants at this point, over three bases, Las Vegas, San Antonio, and Miami. Then we've got maintenance. We do a lot of our own maintenance in-house. We have aircraft maintenance technicians who operate on our aircraft. So we've got a large contingent of them that actually drives our costs down. So we have built here in Miami the ability to handle our own airplanes, to fuel our own airplanes, and to maintain our own airplanes, which is almost unheard of for an airline of this size.

Overall, it reduces our costs, increases our operational efficiency, and makes us a much better airline because of the vendors out there who, shall I say, don't really perform up to our standard. Beyond that, we are growing our finance team. We have a very, very complicated operation over Europe and the U.S., and we operate for lots of different clients. We're a public company, so we need a fairly robust finance team. On the dispatch side, as we grow our operation, which is now a 24/7 operation, we have dispatchers on through the night because we operate 24 hours a day. That also includes crew schedulers, and others who help us to operate on a 24-hour schedule.

It may seem like a lot, but we have built the infrastructure now so that we can take all of the airplanes that we expect to take this year in advance of when those aircraft come, which is a requirement of the DOT and the FAA.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

To answer the question, about $3.7 million.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Topic of money, question here about the bad debt write-off. Don't we ask for payment in advance? I'm going from memory, but weren't the bad debts something under $20,000 that were written off?

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

Yeah, we do ask for money, cash in advance. We do have elements of reconciliations where we incur costs after the fact. They tend to be pretty minor in the big scheme of things. Yeah, I think the numbers are small, but there are true-ups. We have a base fuel price, we invoice the customer for fuel after the fact. We did actually have some bad debt recovery. I think there was a recovery this year. We had written some off and collected it after the fact.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

It's certainly less than...

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

It's pretty. It's de minimis.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

...one quarter of 1%, and probably much less than that. We focus on that a lot, as Ryan said. We do a fuel reconciliation. Because it's after the fact, sometimes we get into a healthy discussion with the client. 99% of the time we collect the money because they need us to fly again for them. It's like any business, there are some things that are collected after the event, and sometimes we have to negotiate a deal. It's a de minimis amount of money that we write off.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Ed, you addressed this in part, and I understand you have to be cautious, but this is a bit of a two-parter. It says, "How active are discussions on raising capital and this rate/credit environment, is it the case of getting a good deal versus any deal?

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

The financing, Ryan will provide some color to this. For every business out there right now, the financing environment is tough. Last year, every private equity fund pulled in their, you know, they closed up shop and wanted to see what happened, right? As I said in my preamble, right, we're dealing with a lot of different events right now. We've got inflation. We've got rising interest rates. We've got a war in Europe. We've got issues with the southern border, lingering effects of COVID, and on and on that we have dealt with. Having said that, through the course of the last 18 months, we get approached almost continually by people who wanna take a look at us and see if it makes sense for them to invest in us.

As you know, we've done almost none of that. We financed ourselves internally with some of our investors because we don't want to suffer the dilution that would come from that. We've lived on our own resources. We've lived on our own cash. We are thinly capitalized in terms of working capital. We're talking to a lot of different groups, and as we've said in the press release, we're in what we think are advanced discussions with a number of parties. Nothing is set. Nothing is, you know, nothing has been signed. We look at a range of different ways to invest in this company. Because of our stock price, most of those ways are involve a debt or a credit facility with warrants. We're negotiating very hard with each one of those.

We've negotiated with a number of groups who've walked away because perhaps we've been a bit too tough on them because we're really bullish about this business, and we want them to pay for what we think we have created here and what the potential opportunity here is for an investor. In order for us to take additional aircraft and grow the way we want to grow, and to put some cash on the balance sheet, which is important as we move forward, and there may be other external shocks to the entire ecosystem around the world, we need more cash on the balance sheet. We're talking with a number of parties. We've got two great investment banks that are working with us and advising us. Again, I need to be very careful, but I am optimistic. Ryan, if you wanna add some color.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

I think, you know, we believe we have a great platform and we're very encouraged by what's going forward and there's a lot of interest in what we're doing and how we're doing it.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

I think universally the reaction that we get as we do our initial talks and then groups may get into a data room that we have put together, is that they are amazed at how far we have gotten on such little cash and the platform that we have built. They see the opportunity. Again, because of our stock price, we've got to be very careful about how we structure this. They understand that, and they're all working with us, and we're looking at facilities, a credit facility, and even in some cases, facilities to be able to acquire our own aircraft, instead of lease, moving forward, not using operating leases, but being able to acquire aircraft, to put on our balance sheet. Again, Ryan and I are optimistic. We've talked to a lot of groups.

We've got a number of groups that are very, very interested. It's getting the right deal that's in the best interest of all of our shareholders. We keep in mind the interests of all of our shareholders in every one of those discussions.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

A comment here about your candidness and holding these quarterly webinars. I will paraphrase this next question, but effectively asking if to secure a contract, you're bidding at lower rates than perhaps the competition. I have to paraphrase this one.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

The question is what? To get to where we are, we've been discounting.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Yeah, effectively, yeah.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

No, I, we've done an analysis, which Ryan has run. He and his team have sliced and diced our data now, and we're starting to get enough data from enough months of operation that we can actually start to look at trends and how we're doing. Our unit economics, and I'll let Ryan talk about this, but essentially, we've been improving every month in our unit economics. Our need to discount, to use sharp elbows to get into the business, that's waning very quickly, because of our reputation now for providing a great product in terms of our aircraft and how they look and how our crews look and act and the professionalism of the entire organization. We believe that we're in a position where we can increase and continue to increase our block hour rates.

Of course, it all depends on time of year. There are certain months that are not as robust in terms of activity as other months. July and August, very, very solid. December, very, very solid. March, very, very solid. Other months, the shoulder months and the low points of the year, we have to do some discounting. I think you should talk a little bit about our unit economics.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

Yeah. We, we make the statement that every flight we fly, we make money. What that means is, we don't fly empty aircraft. You know, one of the risks in the scheduled carriers, you fly an aircraft, don't sell enough seats or you don't sell enough seats at the right price, your fuel goes up, and you end up burning money on a flight. You know, every flight we fly generates contribution to overhead. As we've been growing the business and getting utilization, there's really two metrics. There's this how much did you make per hour, and how many hours did you fly? We've seen considerable improvement in our unit economics and how much we're making per hour, especially over the last nine months.

As we add aircraft utilization, which means the number of hours we fly, we get much closer to the unit economics we talked about, and we have talked about over the last 18 months of targeting, you know, $200,000-$250,000 a month in contribution margin for passenger aircraft and $400,000-$500,000 a month for cargo. We're working towards that goal. We're getting closer to that goal every day, and I think we've seen considerable improvement, especially over the last nine months, as we get towards that. As we add aircraft, that becomes easier to accomplish because you can be more efficient in the way you deploy the aircraft. That trend has held true over the last nine months.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

To sort of add to that, one of the revenue streams that we've developed stems from the fact that as I mentioned before, we're impacted by our ability to get our aircraft out of maintenance. The major airlines out there, including the LCCs, are having difficulty getting delivery of new aircraft from the manufacturers. Some cases delayed as much as two to 2.5 years to get those airplanes. We're getting calls every day from airlines asking if we can provide airplanes to them to fill in until they get their new aircraft from the factory. In those cases, they don't ask too much how much we're going to charge them.

They just say, "How many months can you give us the airplane?" We're seeing that there's an actual shortage of aircraft out there, and that's the result of the maintenance delays, inability of the manufacturers to get the airplanes through their factories because of supply chain issues. We think that this condition will exist for the next few years. That will have upward pressure on block hour rates that we charge, and will make us more selective, so we can fly more differentiated revenue streams that are focused on those that line of activity as opposed to some of the other charters, where we don't get a very good block hour rate. We can be more selective as we move forward with the clients who we fly for to maximize our revenue.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Ryan, you've already spoken about Nasdaq up-list this year. Question here is, you know, are you on track to up-list this year? I don't know if you want to say anything else further to what you already said.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

No.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Okay.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

I think we've said enough.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

There's really not too much that we can say there about that. Everyone knows what our objective is. We would have to add assets to our balance sheet to be able to do that. We are working actively to do that.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Speaking of long-term, which has been the theme of this webinar, question is: I understand the long-term goal. You need a critical number of aircraft, pay, amortized, fixed cost across the operation. When do you expect profitability?

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

I think we expect profitability this year. We've said we'll be profitable in 2023. I think, you know, what I don't wanna do is a mistake. A mistake this quarter would've been not to hire 40 pilots to fly this summer because we were worried about being profitable this quarter. You know, I think as we look at the forward-looking numbers, as we look at how much work we have, we need to make sure we can do it. You know, I think ultimately, when we get to 10 passenger and two to four freighters, I'll be very comfortable with our profit numbers going forward on a monthly basis, and we'll be able to absorb that kind of growth. Because as a percentage, it won't be doubling your pilot pool. It won't be doubling your fleet in a span of four to six months.

We would say with 2023 we'll be profitable, and we're really excited about the summer.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

Important thing to remember, the charter airlines, scheduled airlines. That got to seven or eight airplanes and said, "This is great. We will now reduce our burn, and we will just operate seven airplanes, and we will make money every quarter." Every one of those went out of business. Why? Because for a couple of quarters, they made money, and then they didn't grow. When they didn't grow, the amount that they pay pilots and the amount that they pay flight attendants, the amount that they pay everybody else has increased. With a small number of airplanes, they are very, very vulnerable to outside shocks. We could manage this business to get to seven or eight airplanes and produce profits, and everyone would have been happy, and we would not have survived very long.

I've been doing this for 40 years. The airlines that make money and survive are the ones that have reasonable, sustainable growth. They invest in their business. They understand that they need to continually increase the number of aircraft units that they operate, bring in lower-priced, lower-salaried employees at the bottom of the scale continually to reduce your overall employment costs. That show that there is a career growth for the employees and team members who are there. Every airline that went to six or seven airplanes and said, "Hey, this is great, we can make money for the next 30 years," is out of business within two years. You cannot do that. The history of the last 40 years indicates that that's a mistake that we were not going to make. We're not gonna manage the short-term results.

We're gonna manage this company on behalf of our shareholders for long-term growth, long-term sustainable profitability. We're developing assets every day. A lot of those don't show up on the balance sheet, but they are there. 15 A321 freighters are not on our balance sheet. But I get calls every day from airlines wanting to know if they can have our airplanes. That doesn't show up anywhere on any balance sheet. It's no asset. But what we've got is 15 A321 freighters coming that will drive tremendous growth in this company, will drive tremendous profitability. If we wanted an airline that went to seven airplanes and stopped, we would have done that months ago, and we'd be hurting right now. 'Cause pilots would not wanna come and fly here, flight attendants would not wanna come and work here.

Great finance people would not wanna come and work for an airline that's only got seven airplanes and has no intent to grow. So all of those factors go into the fact that we need to take a longer-term view of this business. People don't like the fact that, short-term, our profits are impacted by the fact that we're investing in our business. I have to manage this airline in a fiduciarily responsible way. That is the best way to be responsible as a fiduciary, is to continue to grow this airline and invest in this business.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

I think we demonstrated that in Q3 of last year. We looked at our flight, our aircraft. We had been at six for a couple of months. We hadn't really grown, or we had stabilized at six. We took our seventh aircraft in August, at the beginning of August, and we generated a profit in Q3. Looking forward, you know, the idea was we didn't wanna stay at seven aircraft, we wanted to add cargo. We wanted to add three- passenger aircraft. We're looking to add, you know, two to six cargo aircraft. That investment really started in Q4. I think we've seen that in the numbers, but that will pay dividends, and that will pay off as we get into these summer months.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

The other benefit of growing an airline is when you do get a minor shock, like the deferral of a government contract for a few months, it becomes less and less materially significant to the company, the larger the company is. Right? The smaller the company, the more material that shock is to our system. Therefore, we need to diversify our revenue streams. We need to have a larger base of aircraft operating for a diverse set of clients, so that any one issue doesn't become a black swan issue for us. It's just a minor irritant along the way. We're building this airline so that there are no external shocks to the system that will take us out of business.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

To the grand vision question, can you paint the picture of what GlobalX will look like post-50 planes in the air? Targets, goals for the next three to five years? What is your long-term big picture growth plan, such as drones, next-gen technology, acquisitions, growth? There's a lot of moving parts in that question.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

Yeah, there is. I'm gonna start here.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

The first thing is to get—

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

You got it.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

Yeah. The first thing is to get to 50 aircraft. We can do the 50 aircraft number, right? You know, each aircraft that we take on, as I mentioned in my preamble, right, it takes a tremendous amount of effort, especially these days, given the issues with maintenance facilities and new regulations, aging aircraft regulations. All of that impacts the timing and our ability to take aircraft on a schedule that we want to take them on. A lot of our day is consumed with planning for the delays and other issues around getting the airplanes here and on the certificate. Having said that, this team does an incredible job doing just that, taking these airplanes, getting them conformed, getting them into our configuration, and getting them on a certificate.

Immediate goals are to get to 25 passenger A320 family, 25 A321s. We are also looking at the A330. We're in deep discussions about that. We wanted to get through these two quarters and make sure that we are prepared for this summer and fall, which will be very, very big quarters for us. We also have just gone through a process of getting certified in a number of ways, and now we need to get ETOPS certification. Bringing an A330 on is another layer of complexity. We need to be a bit bigger before we can do that, but we have the capability in-house to do exactly that. We wanna get A330s on the certificate as soon as we can in a way that makes sense, without negatively impacting the rest of the operation.

Longer term, we will operate A320s, A321s, A330s. Eventually, as the new generation A320s get a little older, and we can afford them as a charter airline, we wanna take 12-year-old A320neos, which is a 20% savings in fuel burn, newer technology aircraft, lower operating costs and all that. We're not quite there yet. We've gotta wait for a few more years for the prices of those to come down so that we can effectively employ them within our budget. Beyond that, we see M&A opportunities for us in the years to come. We see opportunities to take this brand and scale it, and, you know, there's a very good reason why we call it GlobalX.

We're looking at putting an AOC in Europe. We've got the AOC that we'll have in Latin America. We believe that there is a big and growing market and a demand for this type of airline in Asia. We've done very, very preliminary work. We don't think much about it at this point because we've got plenty more important things to do. I think that eventually, in the next few years, we can put a GlobalX in Southeast Asia. We can put a GlobalX maybe in Australia, a GlobalX in other parts of the world. Perhaps on some sort of franchise basis, where we provide aircraft and crews and support systems and infrastructure. We haven't thought through all of that, but we think pretty broadly about this business.

We think the ACMI business is a growing business, a good business for us to be in. We're looking at ways where we can scale this around the world in other parts and other continents where this sort of service is needed.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

You were talking about the summer and being busy. The question here is, after the big push to hire pilots and flight attendants, do you anticipate you will be fully staffed for the demand for summer and the second half of this year?

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

Yes. The short answer is yes. Big push Q4 and Q1 of this year, to bring pilots on. The cost per pilot, to have them in training for three months, paying for hotels, per diems, simulator time, instructor time, getting them out on OE is...

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

$28,000 a month over 3 months.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

...$28,000 per month per pilot over three months to get them ready to fly the line. Right? It's almost short of $90,000 to bring a pilot on and to get them ready to fly. We've gotta do that in advance of that airplane being delivered to us so that those pilots are in place. You can see what the cost is, just by doing simple math of us to have 110 pilots, on our certificate, able to fly our airplanes. It's a significant investment that we've made in pilots. We've made a significant investment in quality of life for them and benefits so that we don't lose them.

No point in doing that, spending $90,000 and then, being a little cheap on benefits or some other quality-of-life issues and then having them move off to a Spirit or an Allegiant, six months after we train them. Not a very, very good effective use of our cash. It's a tremendous investment that we have to make in human resources to be able to operate this airline. We've made that investment. We're in position to fly a very, very busy and robust summer schedule, as you've seen in the two maps that we put up during the presentation.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Question about Flugy, as can you provide an update, please, and perhaps remind folks what Flugy is?

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

Flugy is an on-demand charter tool that would basically allow you to crowdsource charters. It's been developed. The technology is valid and available. I think over the last two quarters, we've really been focusing on growing our passenger charter business, and we'll be revisiting that in the summer, and looking to monetize that going into the end of 2023.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

Our strategy there is to attract some outside investors so that we can spin this off. Investors who understand technology and some of the areas that we're not as versed in. What we wanna do is provide aircraft for the charters that Flugy creates. Our goal is to maintain a minority stake but have well-heeled investors who understand technology and some of the other aspects of that business so that we can ride their coattails, but most importantly, would be a great source of charter business for us as that platform grows. We've got a very nominal amount of investment in that business. We believe that we can get it capitalized with some very savvy, well-heeled outside investors.

We've quite frankly been so busy getting ready for the summer that we haven't spent a lot of effort on it. We're talking to an individual who we think we can bring in who can take that whole company and platform to the next level. It's very much on our minds to do something there. It's a little bit lower on our list of priorities right now. We need to make sure that the mainline company is performing well and prepared for the second half of this year.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

A couple people have asked about progress on and status on the Fort Lauderdale facility.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

We've received final approval from the FAA, or at least the developers and builders have received final approval from the FAA. We're got two financing sources now that have come in and committed to building the facility. We're hoping to break ground here within the next 60 days, and we're still aiming for Q4 of 2024 to occupy that facility.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Please explain why adjusted EBITDA excludes pilot training costs. Aren't these regular ongoing expenses?

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

Those are regular ongoing expenses for existing pilots. These are pilot training costs for pilots in excess of those needed to operate the revenues delivered. If you need 30 pilots to generate $30 million of revenue and you have 60 pilots on your payroll, 30 of which are not flying for revenue but are training, so we can do $50 million in revenue, that's what the adjustment's for. This is not recurring training. This is not for existing pilots that are flying for revenue. These are non-revenue generating pilots for future revenue growth.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

It's really an investment in growth. We separate that out.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

There's just a quick question here. Do you have further plans or what are your plans for A330?

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

A330 is on our list. We will at some point sign operating leases for A330s. We've actually started pulling together the manuals that we would need to submit to the FAA to do that. We have not pulled the trigger on signing any LOIs at this point. What we want to do, again, is ensure that we get the airplanes onto our certificate, the A320s and the freighter aircraft, to ensure that we lock in our 2023 plan. But we have a planning team that has put together our plan to put the A330 on the certificate. We've got a timeline. We've got a basic set of manuals put together.

We're talking to every lessor out there about the A330, and in particular, talking about A330 passenger aircraft that could eventually be converted to A330 freighter aircraft. We would wanna operate a mix of passenger and freighter aircraft to complement the narrow body fleet that we have.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Does any future financing include taking out the $6 million 15% instrument that comes due is it in March? I don't think that's right.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

What's the question?

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Well, if you're I guess the question that the person's trying to ask here is, you and I'm going from memory. You had a $5 million note, and you've drawn down against that, and I believe it was a 6-month note. What are plans in and around that?

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

Yeah. The first part of the question is, in our new financing, would we take that out? Yes. Our plan would be to take out the $6 million as well as we drew $2.5 million of the $5 million. It's $8.5 million. In any financing structure, as we talk to potential investors, we make it clear that that money has to be, or that those facilities need to be, taken out. Of course, anyone coming in would want to do that because they would want to have a senior position on the company. That's. You know, we had always intended to finance those out. It's a very good way for us to raise money with minimal dilution. We'll take those out, and as part of any larger financing that we do.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

A question about Joseph DaGrosa. Hope I pronounced that properly. Based on an insider report, he had sold 376,000 shares in early February to early March, I believe. Still holds 2.5 million shares. The question is, you know, he used to be on your board. Do you have any background on that? I've already answered the question. Yes, he is a major shareholder.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

Yeah. Look, people sell shares for lots of different reasons. One of them is to pay taxes. I don't know Joe's personal situation, and certainly wouldn't ask him. He was one of the first dollars in back in 2019. He runs a private equity fund, and he's got lots of funding requirements for lots of his other transactions. I don't see anything. I don't see anything untoward in his selling. Again, it's a fraction of what he owns. He continues to be a big supporter of ours. He's opened many doors for us. We keep him to the extent we can because he's not an insider. We keep him apprised of what we're doing. I don't see anything undue.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

I don't think there's no conclusion to draw from him selling other than he's had the stock for over five years, and h e sold some.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

He has investors in his fund, and he has to show some liquidity and some progress in those investments. By the way, I bought shares during the first quarter, which everyone should have seen those reports.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

True.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Somebody wanted GlobalX to manage several aircraft. Would you have that ability?

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

We need a bit more detail. It depends on the aircraft make and some other things. You know, we've been approached to manage other people's A320s. Not a business that we wanna get into right now. We certainly would look at it. Money is money, revenue is revenue. Given the complexity of our operation now, I think that we need to focus on what we are doing, focus on A320 passenger and cargo airplanes. If the right deal came along, we would take a look at it, but that's not our focus right now.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Interesting question of why are you providing a plane or planes to Lynx Air, which is a competitor to Canada Jetlines?

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

Lynx doesn't compete with Canada Jetlines. They operate out of Calgary. Canada Jetlines operates out of Toronto. If you look at what they're doing now, a lot of what Canada Jetlines is doing is exactly what GlobalX does. They're flying sports teams. I think they've signed some deals with soccer teams up in Canada. They're flying for Sunwing, they're flying for Flair. They're very much our business model, and they've seen what we've been doing. We talk to them. We give them advice on what we did right and what we did wrong. They're doing some scheduled service I saw, I guess, Toronto, Vancouver at some point, and some other things.

When it comes to customers and clients, right, we are separate from Canada Jetlines. We are agnostic in who we provide our aircraft to. As long as it's a viable, real organization, they have money, okay? And they pass all of the KYC tests and everything else that we put them through, we are agnostic. We will fly our airplane for them. That's what our responsibility is to our shareholders. We are not limited in who we can fly for or how we can fly, vis-a-vis any other airline. We work for our shareholders, just as Canada Jetlines works for their shareholders.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

What are the future plans for Capital Air?

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

Capital is just a shell company. It's a name that we have trademarked. Our thoughts may be in the future that a lot of our government business moves to that, but that would not be a separate certificate. It would not be separate pilots and flight attendants or a separate organization. It would just be a DBA name from GlobalX so that we can better align that subsidiary's operations with the client and separate that from our other core businesses, which are flying for other airlines, sports teams, and so forth.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

That's about it. There's some other questions here about the Oaktree financing, which you've already talked about, maintenance facilities. All of that has been covered. Fair number of questions there. Thank you for very detailed answers. Gentlemen, with that, any closing comments?

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

Well, Grant, again, I appreciate how we're saying this together. We appreciate everyone's participation. Looks like we have a little over 40 people, which is about what we've done in the past. Let me just say that this management team and board are working very, very hard for our shareholders. We made significant progress in Q1 in developing our infrastructure, our corporate development, so that we can take advantage of the opportunities in front of us this summer and this fall and going on into 2024. We're set up to be able to take the freighters. We're set up to be able to take more passenger aircraft. We're set up to bring on more clients, and increase the flying that we do for our current clients as well as add new clients, to our roster.

We're very bullish about this company. We're very bullish about our prospects and the opportunities in front of us. Again, we take a longer term view of this business, I believe that that view has paid dividends because we are now in a position over the next 12 months to double the size of this company. With that, Grant, we appreciate your efforts and appreciate everyone's time. Ryan, if you have anything to add.

Ryan Goepel
President and CFO, Global Crossing Airlines

No. As Ed alluded to, I think there's a lot of positives coming out of this quarter. We believe that we're well set up for the future.

Ed Wegel
Chairman and CEO, Global Crossing Airlines

It's important for investors to look at the progress that we made this quarter in developing our infrastructure to take advantage of the opportunities that are in front of us. Tremendous amount of effort, assets that we have created that don't go on the balance sheet, but are there for us now to monetize in terms of increased flying for more clients, on more routes and more parts of the world. With that, Grant, thank you very much. I look forward to talking to everyone again next quarter.

Grant Howard
Team Leader, The Howard Group

Thank you, gentlemen, and thank you to those who attended.

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