Ajax Engineering Limited (NSE:AJAXENGG)
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Sep 11, 2026, 3:30 PM IST
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Aug 28, 2026

Summary

Revenue and volumes were flat year-over-year in Q1 FY 2026, with gross margin and EBITDA margin declining due to higher costs and product mix. CEV-V machines now dominate sales, and market share is expected to normalize as the year progresses. Cash position remains strong and growth outlook is positive.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Q1 FY 2026 earnings conference call of Ajax Engineering Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions once the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star and zero on your touch-tone phone.

Please note that this conference is being recorded. Before we begin, I would like to point out that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the company, which are based on the beliefs, opinions, and expectations of the company as on the date of this call. These statements do not guarantee the future performance of the company, and it involves risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Shubhabrata Saha, Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer of Ajax Engineering Limited. Thank you and over to you, sir.

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Thank you. Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for joining us on Ajax Engineering Limited's Q1 FY 2026 earnings conference call. Along with me on the call, we have our CFO, Mr. Tuhin Basu, and SGA, our Investor Relations Partner. We have uploaded our results and investor presentation on the stock exchanges and on our website. I hope everybody has had an opportunity to go through the same. Before we dive into this quarter's performance, I would like to take a moment to reflect on Ajax's journey. Spanning over three decades, Ajax has demonstrated remarkable resilience and adaptability through multiple business cycles and challenging phases. The first 22 years laid a solid foundation, and over the past 10, 11 years, we've successfully navigated critical disruptions that included demonetization, introduction of the GST, COVID-19 pandemic, election cycles in the center and the state, changes in emission regulations, and of course, sector technicalities.

Through this last decade, Ajax has delivered an impressive 18% revenue CAGR, which is a testament to our unwavering focus on operational preparedness, precise execution, and financial discipline. These qualities continue to empower us to not only withstand adversity but emerge from it stronger than before. We had the last emission transition in FY 2021-2022. Over the next three years, between FY 2022 to 2025, we delivered a robust CAGR of 40%. This strong trajectory underscores the same foundational qualities I have mentioned earlier, which is about operational preparedness, executional precision, and financial discipline that define who we are and continue to drive our success. The last fiscal has been no different in terms of the external challenges we faced, but true to form, Ajax has continued to navigate this headwind with focus and resilience.

In the given context, we delivered a healthy performance in FY 2025, clocking 19% revenue growth driven by our volumes. Our core segment, that is SLCM, performed well. A key highlight was the successful launch of our new CEV-V emission compliance machines in Q4 FY 2025. At the same time, our spares and services business is gaining steady traction and showing promising progress. In line with our strategic focus, we are consistently working to scale up our non-SLCM segment, which is also gaining positive momentum. I'd like to highlight some of the recent initiatives we've taken to strengthen our capabilities and build organizational competency. Number 1, the launch of the CEV-V compliance SLCM portfolio with enhanced value proposition. In addition to the expansion of our dealer network, we've been augmenting our go-to-market strategy by building a B2B channel in the top eight metro cities where we are operational.

Our focus or our value proposition in the non-SLCM business is to offer better reliability, reduce downtime, lower operating costs, and ready availability of spare parts and machine service. A strong B2B channel combined with our dealer channel will be a key growth driver for our non-SLCM business. We also have our new facility coming up in Adinarayanahosahalli, which is very close to our Obadenahalli plant, which produces SLCM. This we expect to commission in the second half of FY 2026. Let me now take you through the current business landscape and outlook. We observed that the on-ground execution of infrastructure projects have had a slowdown. For example, in case of PMGSY, the length of road constructed is reduced by 37% from FY 2024 to 2025. The pace of construction of highways similarly has reduced by about 9% from 2024 to 2025.

Additionally, the unseasonal rainfall in the month of May in many parts of the country and cash flow delays experienced by our customers did not help with the industry demand. Our business anyways is skewed towards the second half of the fiscal, with around 65% of our annual revenue coming in the second half. The unseasonal rain, the transition to the new emission norms, and a slow pace of project execution have all had an impact on the business in Q1 FY 2026. I'd like to highlight some pertinent aspects of the regulatory transition of emission norms. The shift from CEV-IV to CEV-V emission standard, effective July 1st, 2025, has had a notable impact on the industry in the last few quarters. Regulations permitted the manufacture of CEV-IV compliant machines until December 2024, with sales and associated registration allowed until June 30th, 2025.

Riding on our situational awareness, operational preparedness, and technology-driven manufacturing capabilities, we were ready ahead of the curve, and as a result, we had a promising launch of our CEV-V machines in the last quarter. The CEV-IV inventory, which we had built up until December 2024, was largely cleared in Q4 FY 2025, and the balance was completely sold out in Q1 FY 2026. With June 30th deadline looming for the sale of CEV-IV machines, we witnessed some highly unsustainable business practices in the industry during Q1. However, we continued to maintain our financial discipline during this period. Also, we continued to see reasonable momentum in our CEV-V portfolio during the quarter. We believe that the decline in the overall market share in the SLCM segment that you see in this quarter is only a temporary phase driven by the reasons which I just mentioned.

In the CEV-V portfolio, our market share remains broadly in line with the historical levels seen in the overall SLCM segment previously. With only CEV-V machines permitted to be sold now onwards, we expect our overall market share in SLCMs to revert to the erstwhile range as we go deeper into the year. An example of this is clearly a strong performance in terms of market share demonstrated in the month of July. The implementation of the new emission norms has also led to an impact on the cost front. The transition to CEV-V standards has led to an increase in the material cost, leading to an impact on the gross margin on a Y-o-Y basis. Our pricing strategy will be very carefully calibrated after taking into account the market response and elasticity to the new CEV-V compliance machines.

During Q1 FY 2026, both CEV-IV and CEV-V models were available in the market. However, starting Q2 FY 2026, only CEV-V machines will be on offer. The transition will allow us to gauge customer response more clearly. We expect to gain a better understanding of the adoption trend and pace of the pickup of CEV-V machines while entering the third quarter after the peak monsoon period. That will be crucial in taking an informed decision on the pricing strategy. Short-term road bumps like these are typical in our industry, and Ajax has consistently demonstrated the ability to navigate such phases while maintaining steady performance. As we've emphasized in the past, the business is best viewed on an annualized basis rather than quarterly. Structurally, we remain fully confident in the longer-term growth trajectory of our business.

India's substantial infrastructure development needs, coupled with the shift towards mechanized construction and concreting equipment, will continue to drive steady demand, which positions Ajax well for sustained growth. Our long-term outlook on both growth and profitability remains firmly intact. We remain committed to maintaining our leadership position in the SLCM segment while also building strong capabilities in the non-SLCM space. Operational excellence and financial discipline remain central to our strategy. We continue to have a robust cash position, ensuring considerable financial muscle to pursue our growth ambition. With this, I'd like to hand over the call to Tuhin to take you through the operational and financial performance. Thank you, and over to Tuhin.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Thank you, Shubho. Good afternoon, and a warm welcome to everybody on our Q1 FY 2026 earnings call. I'll speak on the quarterly numbers. Revenue from operations for Q1 FY 2026 stood at INR 467 crores and remains flat as compared to the INR 469 crores in Q1 FY 2025. Volume and revenue in SLCM segment was flat on a year-on-year basis, with revenue standing at INR 385 crores in Q1 FY 2026 versus INR 386 crores in Q1 FY 2025. On the non-SLCM front, the volumes grew by 25% on year-on-year basis. However, the revenue declined by 8% due to the product mix change. It is important to note that we had sale of our Slip-Form Paver in Q1 of last year, which is a high-ticket size product, and that was absent in Q1 of FY 2026, resulting in the decline of revenue.

Revenue from spares and service business has seen a growth of 8% on year-on-year basis and stood at INR 37 crores in Q1 FY 2026. Exports contributed 5% of the total revenue in Q1 FY 2026. Gross margin for Q1 FY 2026 stood at 25.8%, compared to 30.3% in Q1 FY 2025. Considerable portion on the year-on-year decline is gross margin on account of the product mix, which I just mentioned, and Pavers played a big part, given a big ticket size and a relatively high margin product.

There was also some impact due to the increase in production costs for the CEV-V machine, which were not manufactured in Q1 of last year. As Shubho mentioned, that pricing is something which we will monitor on a close call and take decisions thereof as we progress during the year. On a year-on-year basis, the impact on the gross profit and margin has percolated down to EBITDA as well.

EBITDA for the quarter stood at INR 61 crores, compared to INR 80 crores in Q1 FY 2025, a decline of 23%. EBITDA margin this quarter stood at 13.2% versus 17.1% in Q1 FY 2025. Looking at EBITDA margin sequentially would not be justified due to the inherent quarterly seasonality of the business, which also impacts operating leverage for us. Profit after tax for the quarter stood at INR 53 crores versus INR 67 crores in Q1 FY 2025. We will again reiterate what Shubho mentioned, that our business has to be looked at an annualized basis instead of a quarterly basis at a point in time. On the balance sheet front, we continue to remain debt-free and have a very strong cash position. With that, I open the floor for questions. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question is from the line of Mohit Kumar from ICICI Securities. Please go ahead.

Mohit Kumar
Analyst, ICICI Securities

Good afternoon, sir, and thanks for the opportunity. My first question is it possible to help us with the mix of non-SLCM in the quarter versus last quarter as a base year? What explains strong volume growth qualitatively? Which segment grew faster in the quarter? How happy is the development of B2B channel?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Mohit, your voice was not completely clear, but I am just paraphrasing what we heard at our end. You want to understand the Q1 FY 2026, let us say-

Mohit Kumar
Analyst, ICICI Securities

Non-SLCM.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Mix on the non-SLCM portfolio, right?

Mohit Kumar
Analyst, ICICI Securities

Absolutely, sir. Yeah.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

On the non-SLCM front, as I mentioned in my opening remarks as well, that Pavers last year played a significant part, and that had a contribution to the revenue. This time, volume growth has been driven by batching plants and associated transit mixers. That kind of also cements, let us say, what we have been consistently mentioning, that we will continue to have specific focus on the non-SLCM portfolio. The volume growth which you see this year of about 25% is coming from those batching plants and associated products like transit mixers, which were sold alongside the batching plants.

Mohit Kumar
Analyst, ICICI Securities

Understood, sir. My second question is, what was the mix of CEV-IV and CEV-V in the quarter?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

CEV-V in Q1 contributed, let's say, roughly INR 300+ crores of revenue versus CEV-IV of around INR 25 crores. That kind of gives you that 90/10 broadly is the revenue mix of CEV-V and CEV-IV in Q1.

Mohit Kumar
Analyst, ICICI Securities

Understood. Thank you. Thank you, sir. That's it from my side.

Operator

Thank you. A reminder to the participants, please press star and one to ask a question. The next question is from the line of Raghunandhan from Nuvama Research. Please go ahead.

Raghunandhan NL
Analyst, Nuvama Research

Thank you, sir, for the opening remarks and for clarifying on market share for Q1. Firstly, on the acceptance of smaller SLCM, where you had been doing the pilot projects, how do you see the initial feedback? By when do you see the product available across the country? How do you see that as being a market share trigger in the future?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

You have lots of question in one question, Raghu, but I'll still try to attempt answering each of them. I'm happy to say that I think the initial test validation and the feedback mechanism seems to have gone reasonably well from the product point of view, which gives us some confidence. We've started doing some kind of very soft launches with some select dealers in specific markets. This is, as you know, is the rainfall season.

Obviously the quantum of work that these machines will do will be limited. But I think it's important for the dealers to have a good look and feel, understand the product, start looking at these segments which have been hitherto unaddressed by them in terms of building contractors and people who would actually lay roofs and so on and so forth. I think this is at an early stage. I think come the second half of the year, we would definitely want greater proliferation of these machines across the country. Once we have done this test with at least the first 25, 30 dealers to begin with.

As far as the market share trigger is concerned, I think let this phase of the dealers getting used to this machine, working out the customer segments that they need to work with, which were not the same segment that possibly they would have been used to as far as sale of ARGO's is concerned. I feel reasonably confident as time moves along.

Raghunandhan NL
Analyst, Nuvama Research

Thanks for that, sir. Secondly, in terms of CEV-V, gross margin has broadly come off by about 400 basis points. I am assuming that is the quantum of under-recoveries because of CEV-V. Time permitting, would you look at taking that 3%-4% kind of a price hike over the next few quarters based on market conditions? Or would you partially try to manage it by cost reduction activities?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Raghu, two things. Maybe I will start the clarification on the gross margin first. If you look at Q1 versus Q1, then you see roughly a 5% or 4.5% share, which is what, let us say, referring to the 30.3% versus the 25.8% this year. Whereas Paver did play a significant part. If I look at the full year of FY 2025, which was in the range of 27%, and we have got 25%+ , let us say, for the quarter. The price increase or rather the cost increase is not the only driver in terms of the dip in the gross margin, which you experience, obviously, which we see in Q1 FY 2026.

The 450 basis points I will attribute roughly 50/50 or 60/40, 60% to the DMC or direct material cost change for the CEV-V and the Paver kind of having a significant contribution as well in terms of the gross margin decline. In terms of the pricing increase, I think we have been transparent and consistent over the last several conversations with all of you that we will have a closer look at the pricing as we progress in the year. We anticipate that we will be able to start nudging the pricing up towards the end of Q2. The reason being that Q1, both the type of machines were available in the market, CEV-IV and CEV-V, and that obviously impacts or impinges our effort in terms of increasing the pricing when both these variants are available.

July, August, we expect to be more tempered in terms of demand, and once the market kind of gets back to demand, let us say after Janmashtami, Ganesh Chaturthi, which is more towards the end of Q2, that is when we would be able to push the pricing up, as we progress into the market. While we would not be able to give a very sacrosanct view of how much we will be successful, all we can say is that we will try to bring the margin back to the corridors which we have experienced previously.

Raghunandhan NL
Analyst, Nuvama Research

Thanks for that, sir. Any thoughts you can share on the dividend payout policy and utilization of the large cash reserves, and also any thoughts on using the cash for M&A?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

On the dividend, I think the company has declared dividend only twice in almost a decade. Once was in 2018-19 time period and one was in 2024. We paid out in 2025. It is a topic which we obviously keep in our mind. We have a dividend distribution policy. At the current time, the board has not decided to go forward with the dividend for a reason that we are in a growth phase, and they believe that the management and collective with the company should reinvest the money to funnel their growth phase, whether it is organic or inorganic. I am using the word inorganic a bit broadly because it need not be a plain vanilla old school acquisition. It could be a different corporate development structure. Hence, we are of course, looking at options.

We have looked at options in the last six months. A few of them do not match our expected guardrails and corridors, and hence we are also not going forward with them. It is an active topic for us. It is a topic which we are seeking, let us say, advisement from different people. But we are also very clear in terms of what we will not do from a financial and business prudence standpoint, and hence you do not see the cash getting deployed yet. But we are on the lookout, and we will of course, keep you posted once, let us say there are things more sacrosanct, which we have been able to button down, and we believe that is the right thing for the company to do.

Raghunandhan NL
Analyst, Nuvama Research

Thank you, sir. I will get back to the queue.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Pritesh from Lucky Investments. Please go ahead.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

Yeah. Hi, Tuhin. Just for clarification first. Based on your comments and now this quarter where 90% of the SLCM revenue is from CEV-V machines. When you mentioned that the GP way to look at is half GP impact is because of the product mix of a small SLCM. When you adjust that basically from this quarter, your margin is similar to what you did in last full year with this quarter having a full SLCM, last year full SLCM base revenue for the CEV-V base SLCM. Is this correct in our understanding?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Not completely there. If I see last year, it was 27% in a full year, the impact of Pavers obviously get diluted. One quarter, it had over, let's say, a disproportionate impact for one quarter. But for the full year, the 27%, which was there in FY 2025 is, let's say, the baseline gross margin. If I ignore the Paver, I think we would still be about 150- 200 basis points short on the gross margin.

From that standpoint, Pritesh, we have eroded the gross margin for the quarter, selling the new machines where we have not been able to push the pricing up. Then as we progress during the year, we will see how do we adjust the pricing so that we are able to claw it back as much as possible. I wouldn't say that, if the Pavers are not there, we are exactly at that corridor. We are, of course, lower by about 150, 200 basis points.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

Okay. Just that you are a lean quarter and I just added the 200 basis points back to the EBITDA margin of this quarter.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

My EBITDA [inaudible] gross margin. [crosstalk] Yeah.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

As soon I adjust that [inaudible] basis points to the EBITDA margin reported, I am at 15%, which is similar to what we did last year. This is after a fact that

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Yeah.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

From that only.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Understood. Only EBITDA, I think, yes. As we progress, the volume will play a part. If you see our employee cost as a percentage of sale, just as a proxy, which I wanted to call out, it is in the range of 6+ percentage, which will normalize more towards what FY 2025 was. Yes, to that extent, you can say that the EBITDA will start getting closer to the 15%. That is correct.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

Okay. The other question is, it is closer to 15% in this quarter, actually, adjusting for the product mix.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

It is, yeah. And the volume, correct.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

Correct. Okay. My second question is, with the CEV-V machine already being larger portion of this quarter, I could understand the 3% price decline in SLCM. If you could throw some light there.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

That is purely because of the volume mix. See, we have a very wide range of SLCM capacities. ARGO 2 series, ARGO 4 series are very different price points given just the throughput they have. That obviously plays a part in terms of- When we just divide the quantity and the value. That is essentially because of that. It is not a secular decline of 3% across all models which we have experienced in this quarter. That is not the case.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

Okay. Can you quantify the extent of costing increases on account of the CEV-V emission change?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

On a blended level, it is just about 400 basis points.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

400 basis points.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

On direct material value, yeah.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

Okay. My other question is, what is the progress now on the machines with voice, which you were supposed to introduce in the market?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Pritesh, I just answered that question in a previous conversation where I had mentioned that we took up a beachhead market, we did test and validation, we took consumer feedback and stuff like that, which gave us a degree of confidence for us to have a soft launch with about 15, 20 dealers based across various locations in the country. Given the fact that we are in the thick of the monsoon season, the quantum of throughput to be done through these machines will be limited. I think it's important for the dealers to start understanding and conversing with a completely new set of, let us say, target audience, in this category, to be ready to be able to push out volumes in the next few months when the second half of the year begins, which is when we see greater traction in these activities.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

Okay. My last question is, what kind of revenue growth or volume growth do you see for FY 2026, considering the transitions on emission how the market is playing out? Do you see yourself closer to your long-term CAGR of 18%, which you mentioned earlier?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

I think we don't typically give a forward-looking sacrosanct statement. Pritesh, just to call it out that we don't anticipate the volume growth to be 18% this year. We expect it to be more, let's say, in the early double digits. Yes, I mean, the 18% was also not every year clockwork. It was block of years. So these some years of low double- digit and some years of high double- digit or let's say high teens will cover the CAGR to 18% in a block of few years.

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

On a lighter note, Pritesh, I think the onset of Ganpati and his arrival will augur for good times, if you will.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

Hopefully, sir. Thank you very much. Yes, please go ahead, sir. You wanted to mention something, sir.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

No, I think Shubho mentioned in his opening remarks as well that we do see a slight tepidness in the progress of some of the infra projects, and that will obviously impact the cash flow for the contractors as well. which is also representative of sorts in terms of the volume which we have experienced in Q1 of FY 2025. Considering those aspects and the volume upswing only expected more towards end of Q2, I think early double digit is what we will expect on the volume front this time.

Pritesh Chheda
Analyst, Lucky Investments

Okay. Thank you very much, sir.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, in order to ensure that the management is able to address questions from all participants in the conference, please limit your questions to two per participant. Should you have a follow-up question, we would request you to rejoin the queue. The next question is from the line of Sankaranarayanan from ithought PMS. Please go ahead.

Sankaranarayanan S
Analyst, ithought PMS

Good evening, sir. My first question is regarding the customer acceptance of our latest CEV-V machines and how well our customers are accepting, and is there any price difference compared to CEV-IV machines? My second question is that apart from emission changes that you have done, have you done any other modifications in the latest machines?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Okay. I think, let me take, there are two parts to this question, three questions in the same. As far as acceptance is concerned, I think I did mention about the fact that in Q4 FY 2025 itself, a third of our volumes came from the CEV-V category. We believe, and Tuhin has also spoken about the volume mix of CEV-IV and CEV-V in the first quarter of FY 2026 as well. Clearly, we've done our homework very well in terms of our operational preparedness and getting the machine right when we put it out in the market. And the best way to compare this is did we receive any significant complaints? Did customers have any challenges? Was the machine not operating to its specs? And so on and so forth.

Happy to report back that the strong test and validation mechanism that we had put out based on our learning from the previous transition that took place in FY 2021 and FY 2022, the machine performance has been quite good so far. That is the first part. Tuhin has also spoken about the pricing and the impact of pricing on the margins in the first quarter between all that was sold both for CEV-IV and CEV-V. As far as the product value proposition is concerned, clearly the product value proposition is stronger. We work very strongly with all the suppliers. For example, if you look at the product nomenclature, the nomenclature has also shifted in certain cases. Our old 4300 has become 4500.

We have introduced a 3000 and so on and so forth, which actually addresses some of the gaps that may have existed in the portfolio and the way customers will look at it in terms of the throughput that the machine provides and the value therefore to them on a cubic capacity basis every time that they use these machines. This so far has turned out to be good. If you look at it in terms of machine performance, many of the machines initially that were put out in the marketplace have already completed 500 hours, and that is a good number to have in terms of operational capabilities of the machine, redressal of anything that has arisen. We have not seen anything very significant to upset our sleep.

Sankaranarayanan S
Analyst, ithought PMS

Got it, sir. Sir, and still we maintain a premium compared to other competitors, SLCM, right, sir?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Our intent has been that, and our intent will continue to be that.

Sankaranarayanan S
Analyst, ithought PMS

Got it, sir. Thank you and best of luck.

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. A reminder to the participants to please limit your questions to two per participant. Should you have a follow-up question, we would request you to rejoin the queue. The next question is from the line of Vaibhav Shah from JM Financial. Please go ahead.

Vaibhav Shah
Analyst, JM Financial

Firstly, what was the Paver revenue in Q1 last year in FY 2025?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Vaibhav, it was more than INR 140 million+.

Vaibhav Shah
Analyst, JM Financial

Okay. Sir, secondly, you mentioned that we have switched from 4300 to 4500 and we have reduced ARGO 3000. Has ARGO 3000 replaced any older machine or we have other machines as well?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Yes, it has. 2800 has moved to 3000.

Vaibhav Shah
Analyst, JM Financial

Now we have which ones? 2300 and 3000 and 4500 and 4800?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

2000, 2500, 3000, 4000, 4500, 4800.

Vaibhav Shah
Analyst, JM Financial

Okay. And sir, what is our market share right now in SLCM, and how do we see it maintaining ahead?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Can you come back again?

Vaibhav Shah
Analyst, JM Financial

Our SLCM market share right now.

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Yeah. I think as far as July is concerned, I think we have returned back to the very strong numbers, upwards of 75%. That is something good to have, especially during a quarter where we did see some unsustainable business practices and we did not want to walk down that path.

Vaibhav Shah
Analyst, JM Financial

Okay. And sir, lastly, how do you see the realizations moving forward, especially for the SLCM business? In Q1 it was flattish, so it should be a similar trend for the entire year or there may be some cuts for the year.

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

I think we called it out during our initial speech. I think pricing is something that we will follow through very actively. We need to look at the current demand scenario in the marketplace and basis that, I think we will take prudent calls to make sure that our financial position continues to remain strong. I think financial discipline at Ajax has remained the cornerstone of how we have done business and we will continue to make sure that we do that.

Vaibhav Shah
Analyst, JM Financial

Sir, and lastly on the ARGO mix. So it should be similar to 50/50 for the lower end and the higher end in terms of drum sizes?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

I think it's very early to call anything out at this stage. See, there are two parts to it. It's very early to call out anything at this stage. We'll also have to look at very clearly there are states which are 2 Series states, there are states which are driven more by the 4 Series, et cetera. If we see that certain states are not doing as well as the other states, who knows how it'll all pan out. We are only hoping and expecting that the government's emphasis on putting infrastructure back on track, getting cash flows on track will see a more secular trend in terms of growth across all states.

Vaibhav Shah
Analyst, JM Financial

Okay. Thank you, sir. Those were my questions.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mayank Bhandari from Asian Market Securities. Please go ahead.

Mayank Bhandari
Analyst, Asian Market Securities

Yeah, thanks for the opportunity, sir. I was just checking, you've given a very diverse customer base in your presentation, in which you've categorized five categories, individual contractors, small and midsize contractor firms. Is it possible to give any breakdown around that?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

I think in the past we have given a broad breakdown, but I think this is too early for us to really call out as to how the whole structure will pan out from a CEV-V perspective. But I think on a very broad basis, we used to call it out as 30/30/40 kind of a scenario, depending upon how it plays out. I think it is too early for us to even say anything at this stage with these new products being on the anvil.

Mayank Bhandari
Analyst, Asian Market Securities

Okay. This mix, what was it earlier, if I may ask?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

You can assume roughly about 40% coming in from the first-time buyers, about 30% coming in from people who are small and midsize contractors, and about 30% coming in from rental companies, which we believe is a very good mix.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Mayank, just to clarify, the government construction agencies do not directly buy from us. They just do-

Mayank Bhandari
Analyst, Asian Market Securities

Yeah. That I understood.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Yeah.

Mayank Bhandari
Analyst, Asian Market Securities

No, that is quite helpful. Secondly, sir, you highlighted about spending in Pradhan Mantri Gram Sadak Yojana going down by 30%. You are referring to which period? Last couple of quarters or

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

We are talking about 2024 and 2025. I had put that very clearly during my initial conversation. The PMGSY lengths of road construction between 2024 and 2025. FY 2024 and FY 2025.

Mayank Bhandari
Analyst, Asian Market Securities

Okay. There is no possibility around that for next two years or how is it?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

I cannot comment on what will happen in the next two years, but very clearly this is data from the past which has had some kind of an impact in terms of the absolute quantum of work available with contractors.

Mayank Bhandari
Analyst, Asian Market Securities

Okay. And sir, just one thing, one clarification. If I see [inaudible] and if I see July month data, we are seeing very sharp fall in July month for Ajax as well as for the transport category of construction vehicle. Even year-over-year it is declined by almost 50% kind of. Will you be able to comment on that for the July month?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Mayank, see Q1 was a special quarter and I am using the word special quarter literally. See, ordinarily you will have a time lag when you do your first sale, which is the wholesale from us to the dealers and the final registration of the machine. In this quarter, it had the registrations of what happened in Q4. Let us say the March vehicles for sure, the registration happened in Q1 this year. Then given the regulations were coming through, most of the CEV-IV machines, not most, all have to be registered within this quarter itself. That is why you see that the lag effect which is there typically experienced in the industry is not as wider in the Q1. So Q1 had both the April, May, June, all the CEV-IV machines and the CEV-IV machines which have been sold previously and CEV-V machines also which were sold previously.

Now for the sales of CEV-V, that natural cycle of 30- 45 days of registration time kicks in and hence that will happen over time. I do not think we need to have a very, let us say, excited view on this particular registration number of June or Q1 given the special circumstance we and the rest of the industry was in.

Mayank Bhandari
Analyst, Asian Market Securities

Okay. I was referring to the July number, sir.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

I know, but that's precisely the reason I'm saying that June will have April, May, June and March. July will have only one month because CEV-IV machines all would have been sold. Ordinarily, we will have those machines percolating through every month. Now it is only CEV-V and CEV-V, whatever we have sold, we see that the registrations have not happened for the full stock in any case. So that will happen over time. So once we are end of the quarter of, let's say, the Q2, then the Q2, when we publish our results, you will see the number of machines, et cetera, getting more in sync with the Vahan registration as was there in previous quarters and years.

Mayank Bhandari
Analyst, Asian Market Securities

I see. Okay. So the registrations were front-loaded on the categories in April, May, June. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Balasubramanian from Arihant Capital Markets Limited. Please go ahead.

Balasubramanian A
Analyst, Arihant Capital Markets Limited

Good afternoon, sir. Thank you so much for the opportunity. Sir, my first question regarding this hybrid dealer B2B model covers eight markets. How do you balance channel conflict and what is the revenue contribution target from B2B from FY 2026 onwards?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

I think clearly these B2B channels is there in only the top eight markets, number one. Number two, typically these buyers are substantially larger and they typically would like to deal with the company directly, right? The third facet is that our dealers provide the installation, the support services whenever and wherever there is required. So there is no real conflict of interest in those areas because these are customers that would want to deal directly with the company. As far as the rest of the customer base is concerned, clearly there is enough opportunity for the dealer to take advantage of. So there is no real conflict of interest between the two channels that we have.

Balasubramanian A
Analyst, Arihant Capital Markets Limited

Okay, sir. Sir, exports around 5% of the sales, which are the regions we are prioritized for scalable growth [inaudible] Africa, Russia. And secondly, 3D concrete printers and Paver are niche innovations. What are the revenue contributions and how they are scalable?

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Since you asked about exports first, clearly our markets are South Asia, Southeast Asia, Africa, Middle East, Central America, Caribbean, et cetera, and the progress across those markets will continue. You also mentioned about Russia because that's the market where we sold our Pavers, right? And that was last year. So our focus across these geographies will continue to happen. We are living in a world order where the country risk and the currency risk is something that we need to continuously evaluate when we do business. We've seen in the past that when we identify strategic markets, the markets don't turn out to be as strategic as we would like them to because of the nature of the world economics and geopolitics around us.

We are very clear that we don't take either currency risk or country risk and look at suitable opportunities when we do the business from an export standpoint. That's the first part. As far as Pavers is concerned, clearly we are on a continuous lookout on opportunities to do Paver business on a slightly more consistent basis as time goes along. We would definitely like to report back whenever that arises. As far as 3D printing opportunity is concerned, again, I think our products are well received.

The project that we did with one of India's largest engineering companies was also very well received. I think this will see its own inflection point as time goes along. As you know that Ajax School of Concrete is working extensively in the area of material science. We're trying out quite a few things. Incidentally, it is quite possible that when we inaugurate our Hosahalli plant, you might see a structure which is made out of our own 3D printed sheets. That will be the most efficient way of discussing proof of the pudding, so to say.

Balasubramanian A
Analyst, Arihant Capital Markets Limited

Got it, sir. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Rahul Kumar from Vaikarya. Please go ahead.

Rahul Kumar
Analyst, Vaikarya

Yeah. Hi. The question is, how much of the cost increase of this transition from CEV-III to CEV- 5 and CEV-IV to CEV- 5 has been passed to the end consumers?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

I think we spoke at length on this. At this point in time, given both the machines were there in the market in Q1 and also in Q4 when we launched our first lot of CEV-V, the pricing shift has not started to happen in the manner which we expect. We will look at it towards the end of Q2.

Rahul Kumar
Analyst, Vaikarya

Okay. Second question is, again, I am sorry if you have already answered this, but what percentage of your sales was CEV-V this quarter?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

The question was answered, but happy to repeat it. We had INR 310 crores of CEV-V sales and CEV-IV sales were 25. So 90/10.

Rahul Kumar
Analyst, Vaikarya

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you.

Rahul Kumar
Analyst, Vaikarya

That is all. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Nidhi Shah from ICICI Securities. Please go ahead.

Nidhi Shah
Analyst, ICICI Securities

Yes. Thank you so much for taking my question. While we have discussed the percentage of private caution, I just wanted to know other than the-

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Nidhi, I am sorry, we are unable to. Your voice is kind of coming in and out. We are unable to hear you clearly. If you can just repeat your question.

Nidhi Shah
Analyst, ICICI Securities

Am I audible now?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Yes, better. Please.

Nidhi Shah
Analyst, ICICI Securities

Yeah. While we have discussed the possibility of a price hike at length, I just wanted to understand that other than the customer appetite and input cost, what other factors would we be looking at when we would be deciding the price hike strategy? That's my first question.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

See, we have to also see how the competition is, right? We are selling at a premium. Shubho mentioned it in one of the questions asked to him. If the competition, for whatever reason, and we have seen bizarre behavior in the first quarter, we don't anticipate the competition to behave in the same way. But if in a situation they do, we will also be mindful as to how much of price delta we have versus our competition, and that will drive certain decisions at our end. It will be a balanced approach, and then we will see where it lands. That's going to be a driver for sure.

Nidhi Shah
Analyst, ICICI Securities

Mm-hmm. Secondly, you mentioned that 90% of your sales in Q1 were coming from the CEV-V. So I want to understand what were some of the reasons why this happened. Is that because we had lower inventory of CEV-IV on our end, and the customer would prefer to stick with us than move to another player for their needs? Or is it that CEV-V was, from our end, coming at the same price that probably CEV-IV was? So from your understanding, what led to the fact that we were able to make 90% of our sales CEV-V, regardless of the fact that the deadline was actually in June?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

I think we have to kind of go back to Q4. Q4, already 30% was sold of CEV-V.

That was done with a strategic view that we get into the market earlier. The customers and the end consumers start to experience our machine, and that obviously allowed us to push CEV-V also with equal earnings in Q1. That contributed, of course, let's say, the stickiness with the customer because they trusted the machine. They have seen the machine in action. Of course, our customers also go with the brand name, which has been created over years. So combination of these two resulted in CEV-V being the dominant machine.

Nidhi Shah
Analyst, ICICI Securities

All right. Thank you so much. Those are my questions.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Raghunandhan from Nuvama Research. Please go ahead.

Raghunandhan NL
Analyst, Nuvama Research

Thank you, sir. Again, one question. On other expenses, there was a dip of 17% Y-o-Y. What factors led to this decline? Any cost-saving benefits which can be sustained?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Raghu, in Q1 of FY 2025, we had, let us say, a one-time expense on certain business promotional activity, which in Q1 FY 2026 we do not have. If needed to have a separate specific business promotion, we will do it on the merits of a business case. But in Q1 FY 2026, we didn't feel that there is a need for it, hence we have not spent the money. Whether it's sustainable or not, I think after Q2, we will definitely be able to tell whether we need to spend this regularly or not this year.

Raghunandhan NL
Analyst, Nuvama Research

Sure, sir. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Raashi Chopra from Citigroup. Please go ahead. Hello, Raashi. Your voice is not audible.

Raashi Chopra
Analyst, Citigroup

Can you hear me now?

Operator

Yes.

Raashi Chopra
Analyst, Citigroup

Okay.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Yes, Raashi.

Raashi Chopra
Analyst, Citigroup

Thanks. Just a couple of questions. On the cost side, you have taken the hit on gross margin now, but are there any incremental costs beyond this for the transition, or is this something that we are going to work with as a constant?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Then commodity cost change. I think because of transition, answer is no, Raashi. I think we have maintained that it will be in the range of 400 basis points. It is in that range. So there is no change which we expect because of the transition. The commodity pricing, of course, is an impact which we cannot foretell, and I will not like to speculate on it. But if that changes, that can have a bearing, but that is not because of transition. That would have probably had an impact even outside transition.

Raashi Chopra
Analyst, Citigroup

Right. In order for you to kind of recover the market share, will you need to go back to additional expenses like you did last year in terms of branding, marketing, et cetera?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Well, at least we have not spent that money in Q1. Shubho mentioned that July, we are already back at 75%. Hopefully, let's say, actions on the ground should push it through. But if there is something specific which we need to do to increase the customer engagement and entrenchment, we will take that business call based on the specific matrices at that time.

Raashi Chopra
Analyst, Citigroup

Understood. Just last one.

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Raashi, it's important for the activity level as far as project execution on ground is concerned to come back stronger, as much as we expect cash flows to the contractors to be provided, in certain cases the overdues, in certain cases on time.

Raashi Chopra
Analyst, Citigroup

Understood. Okay. Cash balance as of June?

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Cash balance as of June, the investment portfolio was about INR 650 crores, and we had about INR 30 crores, which was in sweeping account.

Raashi Chopra
Analyst, Citigroup

Okay, thanks. Those are my questions.

Operator

Thank you. The last question is from Krupanshu from Thinqwise Wealth. Please go ahead.

Krupanshu Shah
Analyst, Thinqwise Wealth

Yes, thank you for the opportunity. Just a few data-chasing questions. Could you give us the volume figures for CEV-V and CEV-IV SLCM machines? Also, in the non-SLCM mix, you mentioned that batching plant and transit mixers was majority of our mix. Even for that, could you break it up, please, in revenue and volume terms? Thanks.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

As we have disclosed previously, we will not give segmental volumes for the non-SLCM. This is not an identified KPI by the company, so we will report it the way we are doing it as part of our earning presentation. On the CEV-V, CEV-IV, I can lay out the volumes. CEV-V, we sold 883 machines and CEV-IV, 93.

Krupanshu Shah
Analyst, Thinqwise Wealth

Okay. Thank you.

Tuhin Basu
CFO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, due to time constraints, we will take that as the last question. I now hand the conference over to management for closing comments.

Shubhabrata Saha
Managing Director and CEO, Ajax Engineering Limited

Thank you all for joining us on today's call. We hope that we have been able to address all your questions, but any further queries or clarifications, please feel free to connect with us or SGA, which are our investor relations partner. Thank you once again.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of Ajax Engineering Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.