Please note that this conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Subhadip Mitra from JM Financial. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thank you. Good afternoon, friends. On behalf of JM Financial, I welcome you all to Ashoka Buildcon's Q2 FY 2021 earnings call. We are joined today by the senior management of Ashoka Buildcon, led by Mr. Satish Parakh, Managing Director, and Mr. Paresh Mehta, CFO. I would now like to hand over the call to Mr. Parakh for his opening comments, followed by Q&A session. Over to you, sir.
Thank you, Subhadip. Good afternoon, everyone. We welcome you all to our earnings conference call for quarter ended September 30, 2020. I have with me on call Paresh Mehta, our CFO. We hope that all of you are continuing to stay safe and healthy during these unprecedented times. To start with, I'll initially brief you on the industry updates, followed by the company's performance during the quarter gone by. As you all are aware, infrastructure is a foremost pillar for economic growth. The government is providing a massive push on infrastructure sector to aid faster economic revival. Despite lockdown and prevailing situation, NHAI took various initiatives like ease of liquidity crunch and ensure CORE cash flow to the developer. NHAI disbursed more than INR 15,000 crore to the developers.
Additionally, steps such as monthly payments to the developer, loan moratorium, among other, which has aided in boosting the developer sentiment. During the first half of the year, the NHAI has awarded the highest length of projects as compared to the average last three years. From April to September, NHAI has awarded 40 projects covering 1,330 kilometers, which is 1.6 times higher than previous year. During the beginning of the year, NHAI has set a target of 4,500 kilometers financial year. NHAI is expected to exceed its target of awarding 4,500 kilometers of highway. Given the opportunity, we are confident to get a few more projects in the current financial year. Now, coming to the company's performance during the quarter.
As shared with you earlier, in Q1 FY 2021, our operations were significantly impacted due to outbreak of COVID-19, ensured lockdown, and lack of availability of labor during this period. Our focus has been on resumption of business and ramping up operationally. With the opening of the various geographies and improving labor availability, we have witnessed month-on-month improvement in our business operations, and currently, we have achieved normalcy across all the projects. We're happy to report that Q2 FY 2021, we were able to deliver a better performance compared to the corresponding quarter last year. During the quarter, we have won two road projects worth INR 1,390 crore from NHAI under Bharatmala Pariyojana Package One in the state of Bihar on EPC basis. Project entails four laning of Araria-Pararia section and Pararia-Mohania section.
With this, our total order book as on 30th September 2020 stands at INR 9,300 crore. The breakup of the order book is, road projects comprise around INR 7,570 crore, which is 81% of our total order book. Among road projects order book, HAM projects are worth to the tune of INR 4,323 crore, and EPC projects, which is INR 3,247 crore. Power T&D and others around INR 905 crore, which is 10% of the order book, and railways have contributed INR 781 crore, which is around 8% of the total order book, and CGD business comprises around INR 44 crore. Moving on to the key developments. We are pleased to share that we have received the formal date of Kandi-Ramsanpalle road project.
For the two HAM projects, Tumkur-Shivamogga 3 and 4, we expect to receive the appointed date in near term. We would like to inform you that our Ranastalam-Anandapuram road HAM project, we have received September 24, 2020, as commercial operation date. The Ashoka Ranastalam-Anandapuram road is eligible for receipt of annuity payments from NHAI within six months from the date of achievement of COD. Also, the SPV has issued a provisional completion certificate of 45.55 kilometers out of the project highway length of 47 kilometers. Further to disclosure on the receipt of COD of Kharagpur-Chowringhee HAM project, we would like to share that we have received first annuity payment of INR 66 crore on September 2, 2020. That is all from my side. I will now request Paresh Mehta to present the financial results of Q2 FY 2021. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Good afternoon, everyone. The result presentation and the press release for the quarter have been uploaded on the stock exchanges and on the company's website. I believe you all may have gone through the same. Now I will present the financial results for the quarter ended September 30, 2020. Starting with the consolidated results, the total income for Q2 FY 2021 stood at INR 1,218 crore, as compared to INR 1,053 crore in Q2 FY 2020, registering a growth of 15.7% year-on-year. EBITDA stood at INR 421 crore in Q2 FY 2021, with a margin of 34.6%, a growth of 9.7% year-on-year. Profit after tax is at INR 70 crore, with a PAT margin of 5.8%.
Now coming to the standalone numbers, the total income for Q2 FY 2021 stood at INR 927 crore, as compared to INR 862 crore in corresponding quarter last fiscal, registering a growth of 7.6% year-on-year. During Q2 FY 2020, duty division recorded a total revenue of 224 crore. EBITDA for the quarter was at INR 181 crore, as compared to INR 162 crore in the corresponding quarter last year, taking a growth of 11.5% year-on-year growth. EBITDA margins was at 19.5% for Q2 FY 2021. The company report profit after tax of INR 105 crore in Q2 FY 2021, registering a growth of 44% year-on-year.
Total consolidated debt as on 30 September 2020 is at INR 5,643 crore, of which project debt is INR 5,419 crore, including INR 150 crore NCDs at ACL level. The standalone debt is INR 224 crore, which comprises of INR 191 crore of equipment loan and INR 33 crore of working capital loans. With this, we now open the floor for question answers. Thank you.
Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handset while asking your question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question is from the line of Mohit Kumar from DAM Capital. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Good afternoon, sir. Congratulations on a good quarter. So given the momentum in the second quarter, how do you see H2 FY 2021 revenues? Do we maintain the flat guidance? And any color on the FY 2022, you know, some kind of a guidance if you can provide?
As the general trend is, H2 of any EPC business is better than the H1. We believe that H2 will be better than H1. On yearly numbers, we would probably stick to our initial guidance of 1x of last year at least, and maintain similar margins of around 13% minimum at EPC level, without 12%-13% at EPC level, without other incomes.
Okay, understood, sir. Anything on FY 2022, sir? FY 2022?
No. FY 2022, with the, with the, existing orders which we have, I think so we should grow by at least 15%-20% and with new orders which will come in. So it should not be a challenge at all. In fact, in fact, with the opportunity available, it could be substantially higher. It all depend on order intake. The present order intake is to be completed in two years' time, so I believe a 20% increase could be easily built in.
And secondly, sir, is there any development on the, you know, or the deal which you're trying to, you know, do for the sale of the assets? Is there some guidance, new guidance, which you're looking forward to new timelines?
So, yeah. So as we had started this process of Macquarie trying to get an exit into getting into an exit for from the portfolio. So the process was started almost initially last September. In the month of March, slowly got derailed because of the COVID, but it got restarted in May. There are three-four potential investors who are very keen and have given some binding non-binding offers, and they are in the process of due diligence of the portfolio, thorough due diligence, which is expected to get over, and probably we could see a kind of a binding offer by December end, and then get into documentation and closure of the exit of Macquarie.
Okay. Sir, last question, sir. There's a revised HAM, you know, document from the MoRTH. Is there any chance that some of the clause, clauses become, will apply retrospectively, or, or you don't think there is any chance?
So presently, it appears, definitely this is for the new HAM which are coming up. We, with along with our National Highways Builders Federation, they are pursuing for certain changes in the previous HAM concessions also. But as of date, it is uncertain. The effort is on.
Understood, sir. Thank you, sir, and best of luck.
Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vibhor Singhal from Phillip Capital. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Good morning, sir. Thanks for taking my questions, and congrats for a great set of numbers. So two questions from my side. Just wanted to check what would be the level of labor availability at this point of time, and how would we rate our execution in terms of percentage of pre-COVID levels?
See, labor has now become completely normal, so it's available as earlier. So we have already reached as per, pre-COVID level normal stage now, which almost in all projects.
Okay. Due to these new guidelines in terms of social distancing norms and other precautions that we have to take because of COVID, is there some kind of, let's say, a lower execution that we are able to manage with the same labor that we were able to do? Or do you believe it's now slowly coming back, that is also kind of coming back to the pre-COVID levels also?
Yeah, this has also come to the pre-COVID level. Definitely, precautions are taken at all the project sites to see that all the norms are followed. But we don't see any, you know, the progress has come to the normal levels.
Okay.
Because these people normally stay at one location, and they stay together, so we are trying to see that outsiders are not mixed with these people.
Sure, sir. That's clear to me. Also, sir, basically, what I also wanted to understand was that, on the execution side, as we are looking at, what is the kind of payment status from the various government bodies? We have all heard that NHAI is actually making payments quite promptly, but in terms of our other projects, which we have in our order book, in the power and civil segment and railway segment, so whatever little execution that we are doing will also be basically your state road projects. So, basically, sir, how is the state government payments are coming up? Are they kind of slow or are they also kind of on time?
Yeah, if you see, NHAI is extremely prompt and they have been really accelerating payments. They have given certain relaxations also in the milestone payments and even hybrid annuity payments. So NHAI has been superb throughout, even in difficult times. Railways, there has been no problem. They have been paying as usual. And if you come to the states, then we are doing work for U.P. State, which is the Bundelkhand Expressway. There also we have seen very prompt. They are also highly prompt in paying. So there has been absolutely no trouble as far as these projects are concerned. The problems where we have faced is power projects, particularly in Jharkhand, there is a significant delay.
In Bihar, there is, they are paying for the running projects, but for the finalization of the project and releasing of retention money, there has been delays. So overall, the power projects have suffered a bit because of payment, but otherwise, road side, we have not faced any significant delay.
No problem. And so going ahead, in the second half of the year, given that most of the states are right now fighting with the central government for their dues, and they all seem to be in a very dire fiscal state, do you expect this payment situation to maybe worsen from here? Or do you believe, with the worst is behind us and it would only improve from here?
I think central government is trying to help out state governments, and we definitely see that the payments will start coming in even for the situations where we have seen delay. So center is helping states to revive, and that definitely will improve the situation of payments. Yeah.
Sure, sir. So last question from my side. Paresh sir, the margins for the last two quarters have been quite strong for us. So, were these margins higher because of, especially in Q2 also, any kind of an exceptional item which probably led to these kind of margins? And what is the sustainable kind of margins that we can assume, going forward?
Margins are especially higher. One is because of other incomes, where interest income accruing from low supporting of APM, that income is part of the revenue. Otherwise, also, in the execution side, projects which are coming to end, like Ranastalam Anandapuram and Khairatunda Barwa Adda project, because their scope has been fully defined and now released from any capital purpose, the amounts have been quantified. So there are contingencies released in this quarter also, and that's the reason the margins look robust. Going forward, we believe that on a normal basis, the margins would be in the range of 12%-13%, with the margins on execution.
Sure, sir. Great, sir. Thanks for taking my questions, and wish you all the best, and back to the value to the market.
Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ashish Shah from Centrum Broking. Please go ahead.
Yeah, good afternoon, sir. Couple of questions. Firstly, has there been any breakup between railways, roads, and RMC?
Yeah. So, for the quarter, the roads turnover was around INR 475 crore. For our power business, power, railway and city around INR 70 crore-INR 80 crore are the other businesses, which includes power, railway and city, which is under one vertical. On the RMC, it is around INR 5 crore.
Sure. When I look at some of the projects in the order book, especially the TOT EPC that we are doing and the Vadodara-Kim, there seems to be, you know, some slowdown in the execution. I mean, we are taking into account the COVID impact as well. But even in Q2, one sees that, you know, there's not been any appreciable improvement. So is there any issue with these projects or just a matter of time before we start seeing the numbers again? I think this is more of a-
Can you tell me what the main concern in these two years?
Sorry? At least a range.
Yeah.
Okay. So, any number you'd like to throw for full year? I mean, how much would you expect to execute in the TOT project especially, and the Kim Vadodara?
On the TOT project, we will almost finish with 75.358% of the balance work. On the KIM probably on another, it will be by the time we by March end, we'll be almost 85% completed. 85%-90% completed.
Okay. Sure. Lastly, if you can just talk a little bit about these two HAMs where you have received the PCOD. So now, what does the interest rate for these HAMs look like? You know, have they already been refinanced, lowered, or there's something that will do it in the coming quarters?
So because, these HAM projects are in the range of 9%, presently, and they have, already, the Khairatunda Barwa Adda project has been, revised to 8.15%. And we are, and because we are just in the process of getting the interest rate revised from the existing lenders. But, there is a good opportunity for these, projects to be refinanced at range in the, in the range of 10.5%-8%.
Right. So essentially, you know, the interest rate differential that we were talking about, that would be very narrow to small, right? Once the refinancing happens, there wouldn't be much of a difference left, if you get them financed at about, let's say, as you have been turning up to 8%.
Yeah. So I agree. At this moment, the RBI, the, RBI rate would be, 4.25 plus, 3% spread, 10.25. So it will be on the same, but, the RBI would be on a very substantially larger amount. It's almost double the amount, because that is on the, that will be on the annual part, not double, almost, 1.5 times amount, 1.4-1.5 times. And that will be, later.
Sure. Sure. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Parikshit Kandpal from HDFC Securities. Please go ahead.
Hi, sir, congratulations on a very great set of results. So, so referring to the discussion earlier, that the payment on the initiative has been paying promptly, and even the state projects money has been coming. But when I look at your debtors, it's almost at INR 1,300 crore. So the NFIs of the company is almost like 90 days kind of number. So why is... So what explains this huge variation in the debtors?
So, if you, as far as roads are concerned, the debtors are more similar kind of quarter-on-quarter, because execution is also similar. So whatever is being executed is being received. There is no problem there. On the power, definitely a bit of accumulation is there, because as we discussed, as in the state of Jharkhand and Bihar, there is a lag which is creating a bit of pileup on the security deposit or the retention money. Otherwise, on a routine basis, the payments are being released, but lately does not seem to be going up. So if you see, as of March and as of September, the number is similar.
Okay, so that is what I'm asking. The number is actually your revenue from the power, the power and other revenue is about INR 70 crore this quarter. So it's not substantial. The substantial revenue has been coming only from roads, so that the payment collection would be much better. So if you can help us with the breakup of this, like how much of the INR 1,300 crore, how much would be the, attending to the power?
Power would be approximately INR 460 crore, net, net, position of debtors.
And railway?
Railway would be small, sir. Approximately INR 50 crore.
So you're saying about INR 800 crore-INR 900 crore will be from the roads?
All together. So these are net of advances. So, the roads, net of advances would be INR 476 crore. So this number we are talking about is the net of advances of INR 1,078 crore, which you are comparing to INR 1,400 crore, I think.
Yes, sir. Certainly, the data which I'm comparing with, so in that amount, I wanted a break-up of power, and roads, and railway debtors.
What you have to do is you have to compare it from a net of advances, because then otherwise it would not show a proper number.
Okay.
If you net of advances, the total number is INR 1,078 crore, of which INR 476 crore is on roads, and power is around 459 crore. 50 crore is railway, and then miscellaneous also.
Within the power, so what would be the aging, like INR 500 crore or it will continue still? So, so what could be, because the revenue, even if I annualize, about INR 270 crore, if I annualize for the full year, it will be about INR 280 odd crore. So it's more than a year. So, so how much would be the dues, which would be more than a year in power segment? And what is the plan, actual plan of recovering the dues?
So what is happening, see, in this, in our projects, the SDs fall between for some projects, for two -five years. So these SDs are not overdue. Much of it is overdue. These are due to be received in due course of time. They don't have a lot of time left to be replaced by the outstanding, so they will be received in time. If you ask me what are the sticky kind of power receivables would be to the tune of around INR 100 odd crore, which are sticky and which will be received over INR 100 crore-INR 125 crore, which we are pursuing from states like Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, and Jharkhand.
Okay. The second question was on the monetization process. You said that three-four people are seriously interested, and gone into non-binding right now, and by December, there will be something which could be possibly announced. So just wanted to get a sense on this entire portfolio, which is going. First of all, it covers both BOT and HAM, and also what is the book value of the equity which will be going towards the deal, and which I said will be outside the deal?
Approximately the book value would be to the tune of INR 2,700. And what the monetization process is on the BOT projects, all the projects the people are looking at taking over. On the HAM projects, only the completed HAM projects they can immediately take over. And for those, we get into understanding and generate the security procedure. We'll offer it for sale at a particular structure, which will decide on what final offer comes from there.
This 2,700 will be protected, I mean, the deal will be at least minimum to the extent of 20 book value, which we try to recover.
We need to see that. I mean, I really cannot comment on this at this point of time, but it should be decent.
Okay. Just last piece on the platform investor, so this investor will get finalized. So will be a platform investor of future HAM assets also?
See, probably at this moment of time, we are running a deal for majority exit, but in case we are doing a 100% monetization of all the assets, probably it could be a platform sale, but we not be partners in the platform.
But we will be also exited, right, in the majority platform, or is it like in return or so?
We would definitely look at the opportunity then. Once the prices are fixed, we will definitely look at that opportunity.
But as of now, it's only about SBI and Macquarie sale , I mean, the December deal which you are talking about.
It had started off as majority sale, but definitely the way the things are moving and the way the investors are interested in, they are interested in 100% stake in projects. So definitely it looks like that probably we'll end up, we may end up doing a 100% sale.
Lastly, on the traffic, sir, how is the traffic recovery and what is the levels of traffic, the toll collections, the pre-COVID levels compared to the pre-COVID levels? Where are we in terms of, collection efficiency?
If you see Q2 numbers, revenue is almost on the EPC portfolio 1% up, which typically would give an overall of approximately 2.5%-3% negative growth, which if you see for October, it has recovered substantially. October looks far better, it's almost about 5%-6% traffic growth is there. So traffic has recovered from September substantially, continues to be robust even in November.
Okay. Okay, sir. Thank you, and all the best on mission of the day.
Thank you. Before we take the next question, a reminder to all the participants. If you wish to ask a question, please press Star then One on your touchtone telephone. The next question is from the line of Jiteen Rushe from Axis Capital. Please go ahead.
Yeah, good afternoon, sir. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats on the good set of numbers. Sir, my question is related to the procurement of Package 4 and 3 and 4. So what have you done the FC and what has been the rate?
So for the Package 3 and 4, the FC is in process. We expect the FC to happen in a month's time. The bankers are already in place. I think they are already at the final sanction level, and it should be at a rate of 8.9% around 9%.
Sir, land status here?
Land status is 3. That is, Package 3 is substantially well, so there we can get appointed as soon as possible when once FC is over, maybe first week of December. As far as Package 4 is concerned, there is some percentage still left out. We are just around 80-odd%, so there's some more time. I think so by February we should get.
These are 80-odd on 3G stage, right, on both the phases?
Yeah, Package 3, around 92% is available, and so 3H has been done.
... So package three, there is absolutely no problem. Once we do the FC, we can start the work and get the Appointed Date. And package four, it's only 55%. This may take some time.
Sir, in the power T&D order backlog, sir, we are seeing increase in the order value for projects in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh. So is there any change in the change of scope or something like that? Because I, we don't, we have not received any new orders.
Bihar, we have received two small orders, around INR 165 crore. U.P. also, we have received one order, small order, yeah.
How about of the values are INR 60 crore-INR 65 crore, probably?
Around 80.
Fifty-five.
Around INR 80 crore. Okay. Sir, can you clear the bookkeeping numbers now on the mobilization advances as on September, unbilled revenue and retention money, as on September? What is the mobilization advances expected in the coming quarters, in HP probably, and the fund-based and non-fund-based limits, please? Thank you.
Can we take it offline? I don't have those kind of numbers project-wise.
Okay. Not project-wise, total number, if you have, any mobilization advance-
Not exact kind of numbers, more of a draft data than previous numbers. So probably we can take it offline.
Any fund limit, can you throw some light on the fund limit, non-fund and fund-based?
Yeah, the non-fund based, we have a limit of INR 4,000-odd crore, and which is almost 70-odd% utilized, 75% utilized. So we have still room there, a substantial room. And on the fund-based, we have hardly utilized. So we have INR 30 crore-INR 35 crore, which is not utilized as of date. We are sitting on some cash on the balance sheet. And then there are equipment loans of around INR 190-odd crore and supply chain finance around 30.
You said INR 50 crore-INR 60 crore fund-based, right, sir?
Yeah, fund-based, yeah, INR 350.
And this, how much it is just 50%, you said, right, sir?
No, on fund-based, we have not utilized anything.
0%. Sir, what is the toll hike, sir, in April, for the projects?
What is the?
Toll hike, toll hike.
Toll hike is approximately on the Sambalpur-Baragarh and Belgaum-Dharwad, it is around 3.65. In that was from first April 2020. And in Bhandara and Durg, it is around 1.67 from first September 2020. And in Jaora-Nayagaon, 7% from first April 2020.
That's it from my side, and all the best, and happy Diwali, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you. Before we take the next question, a reminder to all participants, if you wish to ask a question, please press star then one on your touchtone telephone. A reminder to all participants present in this conference, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question is from the line of Parikshit Kandpal from HDFC Securities. Please go ahead.
Hi, Parikshit, this question is for you. If you can help us, give some sense on the non-road orders, something with good pipeline, and any other segment besides railways and T&D we are looking at, and, maybe water or metro.
Basically, railway is turning up a good opportunity. There are projects being developed from RVNL and CORE, and we are participating in many bids. Only three bids are yet to be opened. Power T&D, we are not seeing much of order happening now. The last we received were like these three projects. U.P. Varanasi, we received around INR 87 crore order, and we have two projects around INR 85 crore and INR 75 crore.
Anything on water?
Water, definitely we are exploring, and we will be bidding and participating in water projects, too. But we haven't received anything yet.
On metro and building segment, I think because we do have some on the, on the private-
Yeah, building segment, we start bidding from the next quarter. We have to put our vertical for bidding.
Good.
Participating in bidding. Yeah.
What is the target segment for the building in terms of clientele? What kind of pre-qualification we have right now for bidding in that segment, if you can throw some more light on that?
Yeah, we have a structure in place where qualification won't be a challenge. Execution-wise, like we have, we started with buildings. If you see first two and a half decades of our career was in building only.
Right.
This vertical now we are trying to put up together. We see a lot of opportunity for the large building projects.
What will be our certified PQ as of now for the building segment? A single time product, so what quantum can we do?
There won't be a challenge because we will be doing joint ventures. PQ-wise, we can bid for almost size up to INR 50,000,000 crore.
This will be largely government building or, we could do some private real estate buildings also. So, what will be the target clientele?
Our target is government. State government, semi-government, central, lot of projects are coming.
There could be some possible order book addition during the financial year from the building segment?
Yeah, but this, Q2, H2 would be like, procuring, and maybe next year we'll see some execution in buildings.
Okay. And water also, you are saying you are exploring some opportunities?
Water also we are exploring. If we get something in Q3, we may start. Even in building, if we get in Q3, then Q4 we may see some execution.
In water, what kind of PQ we have, in the qualification?
Whether also, see, various tenders will have various qualifications. Somewhere we qualify on our own, and many of the places we need JV partners, which we already have in place.
What can you bid for like a single public challenge as far as you...?
We are also, we are doing INR 500 crore-INR 1,000 crore project, we are participating.
Okay. Okay, sir. So just one more thing on project, sir. On the debt, annual debt for this year, so how do you see that ending up, by March from the current level? Because we hardly have any fund-based, and working capital utilization is now which come down. So where do you see it ending, the financial year?
So based on current working, I think so we end up H2, which will be a good season of execution. We typically end up probably using our Fund-Based Limit to around 60%. And other than the project-level loans also would increase by around approximately INR 200-odd crore- INR 250-odd crore, based on draws and other execution. So we'll have to probably project loans will increase as per execution. Fund-Based would be in the range of 60%.
So we are looking at about how much? Like INR 350 odd crore of debt or like, in the year end?
Additional debt of approximately INR 325 crore on the working capital. Project-based would be approximately, as I said, around INR 300 crore, then INR 50 billion.
Okay. Okay, thank you. Wonderful.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Parvez Akhtar from Edelweiss. Please go ahead. Parvez Akhtar, you may please go ahead with your question.
Yeah, good afternoon, sir, and congratulations for a great set of numbers. Couple of questions from my side. For the second half of the year, I mean, we, we obviously said what are the segments that we are targeting in terms of order intake. But, in terms of numbers, what kind of orders that we are targeting in the second half of this fiscal?
We are looking at the opportunity in highway sector and other sectors like railways, particularly, and also when we are exploring water, we should be easily able to bag another INR 3,000 crore-INR 4,000 crore in EPC segment, and maybe one or two HAM projects.
Paresh, sir, what is the kind of CapEx that we did in Q2, and what is the full year target?
Q2 was approximately INR 12 crore.
Okay. And, for the full year will be-
More, maybe like year-end, maybe actually on the ground, another INR 30 crore more than this, INR 25 crore, INR 20 crore, INR 25 crore-INR 30 crore.
Sure. I just wanted to recheck. You said the toll hike in April in the projects was 3.65%, and in September was about 1.7%.
Yes, 1.67.
Sure. And lastly, if you could help us with the equity that we increased in our projects in Q2, and also the, year-wise breakup of this incremental equity requirement going ahead.
In Q2, we have invested, including the our CGD project, INR 30 crore. In Q1, it was around INR 56 crore. Balance for to be invested in 2021, apart from this INR 56 crore which have been invested, is around INR 210 crore, which will be basically on the HAM projects. Post that, around INR 150 crore in 2021, 2022.
Overall, I mean, is this the only equity requirement or will we need something in FY 2023 also as well?
Based on these projects, no other, no additional requirement, but when new projects come in, probably there will be some requirement.
Sure. And lastly, our depreciation expenses have kind of reduced in the last one, two quarters. So any particular reason there?
No major additions, as you said, because overall additions for the whole H1 is around INR 15 crore, so nothing major.
Sure, sir. Thanks. That's it from my side, and all the best.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ashish Shah from Centrum Broking. Please go ahead.
Yes. So I just wanted to check the land status for the two Bihar projects that we won. What is the status currently, and by when we can expect the appointed date to come for these projects?
The land availability is very good in Bihar. Like, one project has almost 98% of the land available, the other is around 91%. Okay, and the Appointed Date we just to coordinate because of elections. I think another week's time, we should get Appointed Date.
Okay, very much. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Prem Khurana from Anand Rathi. Please go ahead.
Yeah, thank you for taking my question, sir. Sir, I think, somewhere in your remarks, you spoke about your interest in water supply projects, in U.P., and in recently, U.P. state has given out some orders in water, rural water supply. So did we evaluate this opportunity? There was a very big opportunity or did we participate?
Yeah, we did participate in this project.
Okay. So we didn't manage it? Because I think it was not about L1 status, and even the L2, L3 were supposed to get some orders. So the bigger, bigger,
We did participate, but we could not succeed in getting the next.
Okay. Okay, sure. In terms of CGD, we don't get to hear much, and if you could share your thoughts on the CGD business, and Ratnagiri is already operational. How about Davanagere and those one, the Latur, because we are in terms of equity investment, or have you started working on the ground or not? Even in case of Ratnagiri, I think it has been going a little slower than our earlier expectations. So if you could share your thoughts on the CGD vertical too.
On the CGD, Ratnagiri, though it started off a bit slow because for the first two years, but then it picked up substantially, and we are more than 13, 14 stations already at Ratnagiri for transport. The Latur also, we have started commercial operations, and Davanagere, there we are just about to start by December. So CapEx, we've done, CapEx, we have almost done to the tune of around INR 130-odd crore already, or INR 800 crore. And it is, I mean, the MWP were okay. There is extensions received from MWP due to the COVID activity. So, there is no delay. In fact, compared to others, we are clear that so we are substantially ahead of those who have awarded the project then at the same time. So things are going fine.
How much equity have you, are you increasing this year?
As I said, INR 130 crore.
INR 130 crore are you investing between the two partnerships together, right? Not yourself.
Yeah, yeah.
Sure. Sure. Thank you.
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Hi, sir. Thank you for the opportunity. So just wanted to understand the opportunities from the state governments on the road sector. In the next six months, what are we looking at? And in the FY 2022, what could be the major basket size for us in that? What are the state governments are likely to come up with new orders?
Yeah, see, state government, U.P. is coming up with another expressway project, which is Ganga Expressway. So land acquisition is in advanced stage in that. So we are expecting that greenfield expressway to come soon, which is around INR 35,000 crore-INR 36,000 crore. Tamil Nadu has come up with 37 road, which is to the tune of INR 2,500 crore, and we are qualified in 7 bids, which have been shortlisted. Other than this, there would be opportunities in other states, but they are yet to be announced.
Understood, sir. Thank you. That's all from me.
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