Please note that this conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Viral Shah from Prabhudas Lilladher Private Limited. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. I welcome all the participants to the 1Q FY21 results conference call of Ashoka Buildcon. We have with us Mr. Satish Parakh, Managing Director of the company, Mr. Paresh Mehta, Chief Financial Officer of the company. We will commence the call with the opening remarks from Mr. Parakh to give an overview on company's performance. This will be followed by a Q&A. Now, I would request Mr. Parakh to begin with his opening now. Over to you, sir, and thank you.
Good afternoon, everyone. We welcome you all to our earnings conference call for the quarter ended June 30, 2020. I have with me on call Mr. Paresh Mehta, our Chief Financial Officer. We hope that all of you are staying safe and healthy during these unprecedented times. To start with, I'll initially brief you on the industry updates, followed by company's performance during the quarter gone by. The global economy is witnessing challenges arising due to COVID-19 pandemic, and the road infrastructure is not isolated. The pandemic, the ensuing lockdown, has adversely impacted sector, primarily be attributed to halting of construction activities across the country, lack of availability of labor, stoppage of toll collection, among others. However, with the relaxation in lockdown restrictions, the construction activities have resumed at major project sites while following social distancing norms and health and hygiene measures.
The operations are ramping up gradually across the sector. Economic activity has started to pick up pace, with toll collections also beginning to limp back to normalcy. Toll revenues across the sector have gradually revived to reach around 80%-85% levels of pre-COVID levels, led by improving commercial traffic. Currently, the sector is facing multiple headwinds in terms of lower execution, increased liabilities, liquidity crunch, and many other. The construction highways saw a close to 40% dip in construction in terms of lane km compared to corresponding period of last year. Km per day last fiscal, the national highway construction slowed down to 21 km per day in the present fiscal till the end of July. Historically, Q4 of every year, and particularly the months of March and April, are the months of highest order for activity.
When various government departments try to achieve their full year's target, the pandemic and the ensuing lockdowns in these months impacted the order activity significantly. The increasing concerns on account of change in government's focus from road construction has been clarified by the ministry by setting up an ambitious target of 60 km per day highway construction by honorable Road Transport and Highways Minister, Mr. Nitin Gadkari. Furthermore, NHAI has recently announced to set a target of awarding 4,500 km of national highway in FY21. This creates future visibility towards enhancing our order book. The government proactively came up with a series of measures to provide required impetus to the sector during the current challenging phase. To highlight a few, with the aim to boost the investment from private sector in BOT projects, the revised model concession agreement has been proposed.
The order for highway projects will be issued only post 90% of the land acquisition to avoid any disputes at a later stage. Also, the revenue assessment of BOT projects will be done after five years. This will enable readjustment of the concession period during the drastic change in toll collections. We believe this shall make the BOT projects lucrative during the... going forward. As liquidity remains a major concern for the industry, the ministry has recently commented that banks have promised to support the infrastructure sector. Also, Ministry of Road Transport and Highways and the NHAI have adopted faster payment mechanisms and shifted from milestone-based payments to a monthly payment mode to provide much required liquidity for the sectors, which are really under a cash crunch. This will help infrastructure developers in retaining their order book growth and momentum in execution.
Now, coming to the company's performance during the quarter. Given the execution loss during COVID-19 lockdown, followed by limited labor availability, the overall construction activity has been muted in the first quarter, and the impact of which is reflected in the financial results during the quarter gone by. During these difficult times, our focus continues on improving operating efficiency, adopting stringent cost control measures, and safeguarding our profit, profitability. We have intensified our focus on improving our construction activity, resulting in much faster recovery in operating activity. Presently, we are operating around 85% operational efficiency. Also, remobilization of labor has been faster than expected, and we have achieved around 90%-95% of our labor strength back at our sites. We expect to reach pre-COVID levels in near term. On BOT projects, we have reached approximately 90% pre-COVID toll collections.
We expect the same to reach back to normalcy with the overall revival of economy. Central government's various relief measures, like loan moratorium, releasing due payments within stipulated timeframe, releasing promoter bank guarantees for the value of the extent of project work completed, reduction in interest rates, allowing grace period for payments on government duties and taxes to provide overall liquidity to the sector. We have made a detailed assessment of our liquidity position and do not foresee any challenges in managing our working capital requirements and servicing the debt. Now, coming to the order book, the company's total order book on June 30, 2020 stands at INR 8,617 crores. The breakup of the order book is as follows: Road projects comprise around INR 6,923 crores, which is 80.3% of the total order book.
Among the road projects order book, HAM projects are up to the tune of INR 4,680 crores, and EPC projects are INR 2,243 crores. Power, T&D, and others comprise around INR 769 crores, which is 8.9% of the total order book. Railways contribute around INR 867 crores, which is 10.1% of the total balance order book. CGD is around INR 59 crores. That is all from my side. I will now request Paresh Mehta to present the financial performance of Q1 FY21.
Thank you, sir. Good afternoon, everyone. The result presentation and the press release for the quarter have been uploaded on the stock exchanges and on the company's website. I believe you all may have gone through the same. Now, I will present the financial results for quarter ended 30th June 2020. As all of us are aware, the lockdown that has imposed to contain the spread of COVID-19 pandemic has adversely affected the company's operations and the financial results of the quarter ended 30th June 2020. Hence, the results of this quarter are not comparable with corresponding quarter last year's or comparative quarters of previous years. Starting with the consolidated results, the total income of Q1 FY21 stands at INR 793 crores. The EBITDA stood at INR 278 crores in Q1 '21, with a margin of 35.1%.
Coming to the standalone numbers, the total income for Q1 FY 20 stands at INR 31 crore. The quarter was at growth, and EBITDA margin was at 21%. The higher margin is mainly on account of few projects reaching completion stage, releasing contingency provisioning considered at the start of the project, and higher other incomes, which included insurance claim receipt of around INR 500 crore, 55 crore. The company reported profit after tax of rupee INR 69 crore in Q1 FY 21. Tax margin stood at 11%. During Q1 FY 21, BOT division recorded a toll collection of INR 133 crore. Total consolidated debt as on 30th June 2020 is at INR 5,581 crore, of which project debt is INR 5,342 crore, including INR 150 crore of NCDs at ACL level.
The standalone debt is INR 238 crore, which comprises of 211 crore of equipment loans and INR 27 crore of working capital loans. With this, we now open the floor for question and answers. Thank you.
Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. A reminder to the participants, anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one now. The first question is from the line of Mohit Kumar from IDFC Securities. Please go ahead.
Yes. Good afternoon, sir, and congratulations on good set of numbers, given the COVID situation. Sir, given the, sir, we, as you mentioned, that, you know, the labor availability has improved and execution has ramped up, is there some kind of guidance you can give for FY21? And if you are not giving any reason, why is so?
So, we have to see that, yeah, please, sir.
Yeah, please go ahead. Yeah, please go.
We have to see the year by. Presently things appear to be moving on track. We are going back on normalcy. So, keeping in view the turnover lost in the first quarter, and this quarter being as it is a lower performance quarter, we try, we will try to catch up in the second half and try to achieve at least a 1x of the last year's turnover. Minimum that much, and keep a higher target of 1.1x.
Understood, sir. And sir, how is the ramp up of the execution in various order, like Bundelkhand and especially the newer HAM projects? Have you got the site handed over? Is it ramping up nicely? Bundelkhand, I believe is happening very pretty fast, right?
Yeah, these are fast moving projects, Bundelkhand and Vadodara Mumbai Expressway.
What are the new HAM projects, the new one, the Kandi-Ramsanpalle and the Tumkur-Shivamogga package 3?
Yes, Shivamogga 1 and 2 have started. [audio distortion]We have to take a review.
Okay, about three and four. Understood, sir. And last question, sir, on the toll collection, is it fair to say that our collection has reached to INR 2.4 crore on a daily basis?
Yeah. Yeah, so they are almost at 90% of collection on an overall basis. So your number is close to that. And we had, we believe that as the economy totally revives, the turnover the expected toll collection with some growth should pick up in the coming quarters.
Understood, sir. Thank you, sir. Thank you, and best of luck, sir. Thank you.
Thank you. A reminder to the participants, anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one now. The next question is from the line of Vijay Kumar from Spark Capital. Please go ahead.
Right. Good afternoon, sir. So my first question is on the cumulative cash outgo over the next two years, say, in FY 2022 and 2023, in the assets. So if you can give the cash outgo that you have estimated for, say, equity and interest, and say debt repayment, if you can give that for 2022 and 2023 for the assets.
So, on the asset side, for the HAM projects, we have already, till date, we have already invested INR 56 crores. During the balance part of the year, we will be approximately spending INR 125 crores in the existing HAM projects. In the next year, that is 2021-2022, we'll end up spending approximately INR 160 crores.
How about the interest overall for all the assets for 2022 and 2023, and also debt repayment?
That probably we could come offline. I don't have those numbers directly. So approximately, we have a debt of around INR 5,500 crore. So approximately an outlay of INR 550 crore are on the existing debt, and another debt pick up of around, say, INR 1,000 crore. So around INR 600 crore of interest payment would be there on all projects, including HAM projects.
Understood. I'll probably get in touch with you offline to get the granularity. Essentially, I'm trying to find out if the internal accruals from the assets is enough to fund the cash outgo for the next two years? That's the objective.
Yeah. Okay.
Sure, sir. I will get back to you. Thanks.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vibhor Singhal from PhillipCapital. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Good afternoon, sir. Thanks for taking my question. So just two questions from my side. Sir, in terms of the HAM project, we mentioned that we've already received the COD for Kharar-Ludhiana last month, so in the month of April. So basically, what is the status on the remaining work that is pending in Kharar-Ludhiana? Because I can see around INR 196 crore of work left in the order book. And also, on the Anandapuram project, when do we expect the COD to be received?
So, the Anandapuram is the next project which is coming for PCOD in this in the next month. So that way we will achieve. And the balance other five projects, we are expecting in the next year, after October.
Okay. So what I meant to mention, sir, when are we expecting the COD for Anandapuram project? I mean, what-
Should come by September end.
September end?
Yes.
Both these projects, sir, Kharar-Ludhiana and Anandapuram, the remaining work that is left in these projects, around INR 196 crore and INR 159 crore, we should be able to complete it this year itself, do you foresee that?
Before 31st March.
Before 31st?
Yeah.
Sure, sir. So my last question is on the debt side, the debt has actually come down, as we see from Q4 to Q1 level, at a standalone level that I'm talking of. So just wanted to get your perspective on that. Has this quarter seen a decent cash flow and repayments by the government bodies? And how is the kind of payment cycle as of now? Are we seeing any delays by any of the government bodies, either on the power T&D segment or in the road segment, for this?
Except for a couple of, one or, say one or two, employers, I think so NHAI definitely has been very, prompt in making payments, so they- we have no... With the policies which they have come up with, monthly billing, and, intermittent 10% payment in more, in, the grant, release, is, has definitely helped the cash flows of the company. So, our debt, which has typically was around, INR 399 crore on a standalone, as of 31st March, has gone to, INR 237. It's basically, reduced... cash utilized from cash balances as of 31st March, and, reduction in, payment of CP and, the, refund of term loans of equipment.
Repayment, achieving the repayment schedule of term loans. So we have not claimed any moratorium for our equipment loans. We have paid them on time.
Right, sir. And sir, any delay in payment from any of the power T&D orders, UP, Jharkhand, or Bihar, or Maharashtra?
So not really much. Maybe on UP there is a slow, but that lag is there for quite some time, more than... It's not related to COVID. So I think that you get result- they get resolved over a period of time. So slightly, lumpy payments, but then they come in 2-3 months to 3 months' time.
Sure, sir. So just last thing, if I can just squeeze in. You mentioned in your opening remarks about the way the new model completion agreement is being shaped up and the overall BOT projects, well, NHAI is trying to make them more attractive. So are we open to bidding for BOT projects in near future if it suits our investment criteria?
Yeah, we selectively look at projects. If we really find they are attractive projects, then we do participate.
Sure, sir. Sure. Thank you so much for taking my questions, sir, and wish you all the best.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ashish Shah from Centrum Broking. Please go ahead.
Yeah, good afternoon, sir. So the first question is on the, you know, numbers for the quarter as such. So, you know, we've seen, you know, some bit of improvement in the gross margins for the quarter, as well as, you know, we, we have, we've been able to cut a lot of expenditure on the other expensive sides. Just wanted to understand how much of this is sustainable and the benefit will continue in the coming quarters? Or, you know, we can, we'll probably revert to a normal level in the quarters to come. Because given the level of execution, the margins actually were very strong at about 14.5%.
Yeah. So, basically, definitely from activity perspective, there was lower activity. A lot of admin expenses have been controlled and reduced also because of lower activity, which will probably increase as turnover increases. So, our guidance on the EBITDA margin will continue to be remain, remaining on 12.5%-13%. As already spoken earlier, that margins are looking higher in this quarter, basically because of two reasons. One is other incomes, which are higher by INR 5 crore on account of insurance, and INR 5 crore also, an additional INR 5 crore on account of restructuring of equipment loan in one of our portfolios.
Also on the turnover side, because of certain projects which are coming to an end, there have been a release in the, you know, contingency reserves, which we had provided for, like Kharar and Ranastalam.
Okay. Sorry, sir, can you elaborate on this, restructuring of equipment loan? I, I wasn't very clear on that.
So we had a loan from SREI for equipment loan of around INR 65 crore, which was taken over by ICICI Bank from SREI. In the course of their taking over, they have increased the interest. So interest on that INR 65 crore were around, say, 4%, which was taken over by ICICI with a lower value with a higher interest rate. NPV wise, it doesn't impact us, but from an accounting wise, for the quarter, there is a reduction in the loan amount by INR 5 crore.
Sure, sure. Sure. Sir, also in terms of the FC, the financial closure for Tumkur 3, 4, and Kandi Ramsanpalle. So where are we on that? Are we, you know, have we completely closed the, on the financing side, are we just waiting for the appointed dates, or the financial closure is still pending?
So, the financial closure of all the three are still pending. For the Kandi project, we have already received sanctions, and we are in the documentation stage. For the TS3 and TS4, we are in the process of getting the sanctions in place. We are already with the bankers in the last leg. Due to the COVID situation, the way the meetings are happening at the bankers end also slightly slow. So otherwise, in normal course, we would have achieved that sometime back, but we believe that we'll achieve it in the next one and a half months' time.
By October, the financial closure should be done.
Right.
What is the land status in all of these three?
Pardon, sir?
What is the land status, sir? Land available for TS3, 4, and Kandi.
So Kandi, the land position is substantially good.
TS3 is also good, and TS4, we have just 60% land, so TS4 really needs to make up. Otherwise, TS3 has a good amount of land, more than 80% available.
Okay.
Kandi also has more than 80%.
Got it. So lastly, what is the net debt number, sir? We know the gross debt, but if you can help with the cash balance or the net debt number, whichever it is.
The net debt number on the standalone could be approximately.
... If you have the cash balance, you can just give that, I mean.
INR 63, net INR 63 crore only. And on the-
63 crore, sir?
So we have a debt of standalone debt of INR 238 crore and cash balance of INR 179 crore.
Okay.
So that's approximately INR 63. And on the consolidated, the net debt position would be approximately INR 5,075.
Thank you.
A total debt of INR 5,580 less cash and bank balance of INR 505.
Sure, sir. Thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah, good a-
The next question is from the line of Parvez Akhtar Qazi from Edelweiss Securities. Please go ahead.
Yeah, good afternoon, sir. Couple of questions from my side. Just wanted to get it correct, we have infused about INR 56 crore equity in Q1. Did I get the number right?
Correct, sir.
Sir, what was the break-up of revenue between different segments this quarter?
On the segment side, on the road sector, we had approximately INR 475 crore of turnover. On the power side, around INR 35 crore. On the railways, around INR 37 crore.
In terms of order intake, what are we targeting this year? I mean, what could be the broad breakup amongst various segments that we have?
Road sector, we should be able to easily bag around INR 3,000 crore-INR 4,000 crore of orders. Then railways, we are expecting around INR 1,000-INR 1,200 crore. Power, we are not very optimistic of any substantial incoming orders.
Sure, sir. Thanks, that's-
Overall, we should do around INR 4,000 crore-INR 5,000 crore.
Sure, sir. Thanks. Thanks a lot.
Thank you. A reminder to the participants, anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one now. The next from the line of Shivang Joshi from Prabhudas Lilladher. Please go ahead.
Hello, sir. Sir, I wanted to understand whether you have taken moratorium at the SPV level as well?
Yeah, so at the standalone level, we have not taken any moratorium, so we continue to-
Okay.
Raise all our debts to the way they are. On the SPV level, we have taken moratorium for the principal amount. The interest amount, to the extent possible, we are paying. Otherwise, it has to be paid in the next H2. So on the principal amount, except for Jaora project, we have opted for moratorium.
Okay. And, so since the moratorium will be getting over in August, and since our toll levels are already reached, so we are comfortable for paying, the principal portion as well from the next month?
No. For a correction, that moratorium for principal is for so the total loan period gets extended.
Okay. Okay. Okay.
... As far as interest is concerned, it is only a deferment. So interest will be serviced through the cash flows of the toll revenues.
Okay. Further, sir, wanted to get an update on whether the SBI Macquarie negotiations have restarted since the toll revenues are already at 90% pre-COVID level.
Yeah. So as far as the SBI Macquarie exit or monetization of asset process was going on, definitely the potential bidder, which was there in March, he's still on hold. So they have probably kept on hold all investments for at least up to August end. But in the meanwhile, we've also started talking to other investors who were there in the fray in the past to have a relook, and they are probably looking at giving an offer anytime in the coming month.
In the coming month?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay. Okay, sir. I think my other questions have been answered. Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Thank you. A reminder to the participants, anyone who wishes to ask a question, may press star and one now. The next question is from the line of Mohit Kumar from IDFC Securities. Please go ahead.
Hello. Yeah, thanks for the opportunity once again, sir. Sir, firstly, on the receivables, we had a decent amount of receivable from the T&D sector. Are you seeing any kind of liquidation plan, given that their situations, I think, at the margin, are improving with the new liquidity discount scheme?
So, the receivables continue to be... They've improved a bit, but they continue to be at the similar levels. So, these are all receivables from the recent billings done in the last four months. So that is the payment cycle, how it works. So I think we are quite confident that the receivables get paid off.
What is the number right now from the T&D?
From the T&D and railway put together, it would be approximately INR 600-odd crore, INR 650 crore.
Including retention and SE.
... Okay, understood, sir. And secondly, also, on the, on the railway side, are you seeing a larger traction in terms of order activity?
Yes, and basically, RVNL and CORE are throwing up a lot of opportunities. So definitely, we hope we'll be able to participate in that certain tenders.
How was it in last four months? Was it dull in last four months, and you expect a pickup in the next eight months?
No, the bidding was all with almost everybody, including railways. So we are already participating in three bids. We're expecting results. Roads also, we have participated more than around 300 km, so we're expecting some of the results in coming weeks.
Okay. Understood, sir. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mayank Vaswani, individual investor. Please go ahead.
Sir, my first question is, sir, on the compensation, for the, you know, the impact of COVID, what would you think is the, if you could possibly quantify the compensation that you would receive, both on the tolling side as well as the construction business? If you could just walk us through the accounting treatment for the same.
So, what we expect in the NHAI's circulars is that they are presently only given the benefit of extension of the concession period. So, it's like whatever 22 days we have lost will be added to the concession period.
Right.
So, there, there's no cash compensation. Definitely, we are trying to ask for a compensation on the expenses incurred, but till date, they have not confirmed anything on that side, so that is slightly a gray area.
Right.
On the accounting side, what we have typically done, we have not recognized any toll revenue for the 22 days, though there is an extension of the expected extension of the toll concession period by 22 days, as plus some other days due to the lower collection in the balance in the month of April, May, and June. So, that revenue is not recognized. We are recognizing toll revenue as actual what is collected in the quarter.
Right.
The amortization is based on the extended concession period of the project.
Right.
Understood.
So that number has been adjusted accordingly, sir, the amortization number?
Correct.
Right. Right. So second question, I'm sorry I missed, possibly some of the quantification in your opening remarks. So you had split up the other income, into insurance, restructuring of term loan for equipment and release of some contingency provision.
Right.
Now, sir, I think the breakup, your total other income for the quarter is INR 31 crore on a consolidated basis.
Right.
So, I believe you mentioned INR 5 crore for the term loan equipment restructuring. So could you split up the balance INR 26 crore, sir?
Insurance would be approximately INR 5 crore.
Right.
Approximately, interest paid to interest around INR 17 crore.
Right.
Interest earning from associates and bank FDs.
Right. And the balance would be the contingency provision. Would that be about, I think INR 4 crore?
So, that is not part of the other income. That is more from a part of the EBITDA.
Okay. Okay, okay. Understood. Then, sir, just one last housekeeping question, if I may. There is a note in your accounts which says that, you know, the financials have been prepared on the basis of, you know, the uncertainties under the quarter, and the impact of the pandemic in the future may be different from those estimated. I mean, this seems like a general note, sir, but is there any specific assumption that you would be able to flag out, which, you know, possibly may be revisited in the future once we get a better handle on the impact of the pandemic?
At this moment, we cannot identify anything. What we have typically done is in our budgets, we have provided for any impact of COVID in the coming 8-10 months. That expenditure we have provided for, so that when the work is executed, any increased cost is part of the provisioning in the budget. But otherwise, there is no, we say it's a provision created. We probably will have to wait for another two quarters to see whether the pandemic has still more an impact on the profitability. Otherwise, those reserves created could get released after, say, three to four, two to three quarters.
Right, sir. That's all from me. Thank you.
Thank you. A reminder to the participants, anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one now. The next question is from the line of Jiten Rushi from Axis Capital. Please go ahead.
Yeah, good afternoon, sir. Thanks for taking my question. Sir, on the equity front, sir, as you said, you have invested INR 56 crore in Q1. So can you just give us the total equity requirement invested so far, and how much are likely to be invested in next 2-3 years for HAM projects?
So as I said, the total equity invested in all the HAM projects, including our annuity projects at SPV level, is approximately INR 707 crores, of which, if you reduce the investments made at the SPV standalone projects, which are smaller annuity projects of INR 140 crores, the total investment is around INR 560 crores.
...INR 560 crore for HAM projects, right? And balance requirement will be how much?
Balance, as I said, is INR 225 crores in the balance period, and INR 150 crores in 2021-2022 for the existing AM projects. So around INR 325 crores.
150, okay, okay. Okay, and on the ACL portfolio with the Macquarie, what is the end value that is the equity and the debt portion? Can you give us the breakup as on date, as on June?
At the ACL level, the total equity is approximately to the tune of around INR 1,860 crore. And debt is the NCD, which we have borrowed at a scale of INR 150 crore.
Okay. Net equity invested and the outstanding debt.
Okay, okay. So, that would be approximately around, yeah, I think so it's should be INR 5,500 crore of debt, plus equity value of INR 1,800 crore.
Including loss funding, right, sir?
Then that, say INR 800 crore. Loss funding or any other assets. So, amount funded by ABL, the total value will be around INR 8,100 crore. Enterprise value.
Okay. This is the value of the ACL assets with the Macquarie, right, sir? INR 8,100 crore, if I may ask you again, I'm sorry, I'm asking you the same question, but-
Right. Right, sir.
Hello?
Yeah, yeah.
INR 8,100 crore, so I think that should be the total ACL value, I, I believe.
Yeah. Enterprise value, I ...
Total ticket offline, no problems. Sir, what is the CapEx requirement this year in mobilization advance and retention outstanding as in June?
So, CapEx requirement for the balance period is approximately INR 70 crore. We'll have to see how the CapEx will actually pan out, depending on how work picks up. But, the budget date is approximately INR 70 crore.
Sir, mobilization advance and retention outstanding, if you can provide the numbers, please?
Approximately, the mobilization advance would be to the tune of INR 360 crores.
Including the mobilization advance.
Including other advances also.
Okay. The retention would be how much, sir?
Retention would be approximately INR 196 crores.
Then on the arbitration front, last quarter you had said that we have got some claims outstanding of INR 5 crore and INR 50 crore in four projects. So we had approached the reconciliation committee. So any outcome so far, sir?
No outcome. We have approached NHAI, and reconciliation process with the committees they have appointed now. So reconciliation would start now, in this month.
You are expecting probably next two to three months?
Yeah, they take at least two to three months to decide on the...
Okay. Sir, last question on that, that revenue, that loan restructuring, you're talking about. So we have booked INR 5 crore in the other income, right, sir? Because of the restructuring of equipment loan.
Correct.
Okay, sir. That's it from my side. Thank you and all the best.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Subhadip Mitra from JM Financial. Please go ahead.
Good afternoon, sir. Firstly, just wanted to get a sense on this release in contingency reserve, which you're saying is part of EBITDA. Can you just quantify what that amount is?
Could not get you. What was that, sir?
I'm saying the contingency reserve release, which you're saying is part of EBITDA-
Correct.
What would be that amount?
It's not really quantified. It's all more of the total budget of each project. So it could not really quantify very not quantified. So anything in the range of 2%-3% of it. 2% around of the turnover.
2% of 1.2 turnover, am I correct in understanding that?
Yeah. 2.2% approximately of the Q1.
Yeah. Q1 overall, turnover, that's how we should look at it, or only the BOT part?
Overall, you can look at it.
Overall. Okay. Okay, understood. And secondly, just, you know, a macro question. This is on, you know, by when do you see the NHAI ordering or the award process accelerating? Because we understand that the tendering process has been actively on. However, I think NHAI's own process of, you know, raising money for, you know, something like the Mumbai-Delhi corridor, et cetera, seem to be getting delayed. So do you sense, you know, some delays because of the funding constraints on the NHAI side, or do you see things really picking up now?
See, whatever, they have decided around 4,500 km of award, that certainly looks happening, because 3,200 is already announced. So out of that, 1,400 km of bidding is already done. 1,800 is which we are likely to see up to September.... Well, in H1 itself, they are crossing more than 3,000 km.
Okay, so this will be bidding for 3,000 km, which should get completed by 1H itself. That's what you meant?
Yeah, in H1 itself, we're going to be completing the bidding-
Okay.
-of 3,000 km, which includes NHAI, MoRTH, and NHIDCL.
Understood. And, sir, what is the rough mix that you're saying between, say, HAM and EPC in this basket?
See, what we have seen is HAM is little more than EPC. Around 60% is HAM projects and 40 still EPC projects are coming up.
Understood. Understood. And you don't foresee any big constraints or aversion from the banking industry for new HAM projects, do you?
So, on the funding for our HAM projects, definitely the challenges are there, in the sectors. Because of the reduction of the number of bankers also, because of the merger, that challenge continues. So the better players will continue to have bankers choosing them, but that challenge is going to be there. But I think so, depending on NHAI's annuity guarantee, I think they are, they still keep on funding.
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Next is from the line of Ankita Shah from Elara Capital. Please go ahead.
Yeah, hi. Sir, I wanted to check, sir, is there any risk to funding of Delhi-Mumbai Expressway project, given, NIIF has parted ways with NHAI to fund and support the project? And any risk to our project also that we are doing on this stretch?
No, I don't think. The project which we are executing, there is absolutely payment has been made.
I mean, then what's the plan of NHAI to fund this project? Because it was understood that NIIF would be supporting this project.
I'm not able to comment on this.
Okay. As of now, there is no issue in payments on this stretch?
As of now, absolutely no issues.
Okay. Sir, secondly, what are the margins that we make in railway projects, typically the ones that we get from RVNL?
They continue in the range of, say, 9%-10%.
9%-10%. Okay. Sure. Thank you so much, sir. That's it.
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Parvez Qazi from Edelweiss Securities. Please go ahead.
Yes, sir. Thanks for taking up my follow-up question. So two questions. One, did we incur any CapEx in Q1? And the second, was there any toll hike on any of the projects that we received in Q1?
No significant CapEx in Q1. And as far as toll hike is concerned, not in Q1. Whatever happened was as of first April, so all NHAI projects except for Bhandara and Durg, where the toll hike is in first September, they have received increment in the toll rates by almost in the range of 3.5%, and on the Jaora project of 7%.
Sure, sir. Thanks.
Thank you. As there are no further questions, I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.
So, thank you very much. We thank all the participants for joining on this call. If you have any further queries, we are open for any clarifications. You may connect with us directly or through our investor relations, Stellar, our investor relations. Thank you. We wish you all good health.
Thank you. Thank you all the participants.
Thank you. Mr. Shah, would you like to add any closing comments?
No. Thank you all the participants for participating in the call. I once again thank the management for giving us an opportunity to host the call. Thank you. Thank you, sir, and thank you everyone.
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On behalf of Ashoka Buildcon, that concludes today's conference call. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.