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Q3 25/26

Feb 4, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Devyani International Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during this conference, please signal an operator by pressing star and then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Anoop Poojari from CDR India. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Anoop Poojari
Head of Investor Relations, CDR India

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on Devyani International's Q3 and 9M FY26 earnings conference call. We have with us Mr. Ravi Jaipuria, Non-Executive Chairman of the company, Mr. Raj Gandhi, Non-Executive Director, Mr. Virag Joshi, CEO and Whole Time Director, and Mr. Manish Dawar, CFO and Whole Time Director of the company. We'll initiate the call with opening remarks from the chairman, followed by key financial highlights from the CFO. Thereafter, we will have the forum open for a question and answer session. Before we begin, I would like to point out that some statements made in today's call may be forward-looking in nature, and a disclaimer to this effect has been included in the results presentation shared with you earlier. I will now request Mr. Ravi Jaipuria to make his opening remarks.

Ravi Jaipuria
Non-Executive Chairman, Devyani International

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. It's my pleasure to welcome you all to Devyani International's post-results earnings conference call to discuss our performance for the third quarter, 25, 26. We continue to invest in and steadily expand our core business in India. New store openings accelerated during the quarter, with 54 net new KFC outlets and 18 net new additions to Pizza Hut. With this, we have not added any net new Pizza Hut stores on a cumulative basis during the calendar year 2025. Within our brands portfolio, we have also added 17 new stores to Biryani By Kilo and Vaango. The international business added 20 new stores during the quarter between Thailand and Nepal, all at the end of Quarter 3, 2026. The total store count for DIL stood at 2,279 stores.

We are happy to state that we have achieved break-even brand EBITDA results by Biryani By Kilo, much ahead of our target, as guided earlier. In parallel, we are also bringing innovative new products to our customers. We recently introduced the Dunked Range in KFC: fried chicken coated in a bold and fiery barbecue sauce. The product launch has been accompanied by a promotional campaign focusing on the indulgence and craving features, a well-known comedian and actor, which has been well received. We also have launched the Crafted Flatzz range of pizzas, featuring a hand-stretched crust open option with seven new flavorful toppings to choose from. It is a great example of a global product launched that is being customized for regional preferences. We have seen encouraging initial response from our patrons. Our business continues to grow in a sustained manner.

India operations grew 12.1% year-on-year, while consolidated revenues reached INR 1,441 crores, growing 11.3% year-on-year. Our international business continues to gather strength from operations and profitability perspective, and same is reflected in the steady improvement in the results. Earlier this year, we announced the proposed merger with Sapphire Foods, a transformative step that will create one of the largest diversified F&B platforms in India. The combined entity will have more than 3,000 stores globally and a turnover approaching $1 billion. We are very excited regarding this new chapter in your company's growth phase. We've also started the process of turnaround of the Pizza Hut business by shutting down loss-making stores.

Our idea is to bring a sharper focus to this exercise, and with this as an objective, we are not planning to add any net new units to our Pizza Hut portfolio. We will open the new stores only to compensate for the closure of loss-making stores. This will also help us to utilize the existing assets and equipment in our new stores and bring down the CapEx for the new openings as well. We have seen positive SSSG across all our brands in the month of January, except Pizza Hut, where the losses are being contained. We are expecting that if this momentum continues through the quarter, this will lay a strong foundation for future growth.

On the macro front, we are beginning to see some early signs of consumption coming back in a few sectors in the broader economy.... Thanks to the government support and fiscal measures, we have used the last few quarters to build a leaner and more resilient organization. With the proposed merger underway, we are confident that we will emerge as a stronger and more agile business, well-placed to accelerate growth by capitalizing on opportunities that are available. DIL is at a critical inflection point in this growth journey as we prepare to scale into a larger, more diversified, and more complex organization. The board believes that this next phase requires a bold strategic vision, backed by strong execution capabilities. Given the background, I would like to briefly touch upon the important leadership decisions the board at the board meeting today. Virag has expressed his desire to superannuate from the company.

The board has accepted his request, effective March 31, 2026, and has requested him to continue as a non-executive director and provide his valuable insights on strategic matters as and when required. I would also like to acknowledge Virag's invaluable contribution to DIL's journey over the last more than two decades. We thank him for his leadership and wish him all the best with all his future endeavors. Manish Dawar shall get elevated as President and CEO for DIL, with effect from April 1, 2026. Manish joined us almost five years back as CFO for the company and has played a very significant and pivotal role in shaping the company's growth trajectory, including the successful public listing.

He has also led key strategic initiatives, including the acquisition of Thailand business, the acquisition and turnaround of Skygate Hospitality brands, Biryani By Kilo and Goila Butter Chicken, and more recently, the proposed merger with Sapphire Foods. He has over three decades of leadership experience across very reputed and well-known global and Indian enterprises. With leadership roles at Vodafone India, Vedanta, Reckitt Benckiser, Reebok, having started his career at Hindustan Unilever. He has wide experience across multiple industry domains and various geographies in the world. The board and I feel that he is well-placed to take over the role of the expanded DIL as President and CEO. I would also like to wish him and his team the very best to take DIL even to greater heights as we make progress with the merger. I'm also pleased to inform you that Mr.

Anupam Kumar, currently EVP Finance, will take over the role of CFO. Anupam has over two decades of experience before joining RJ Corp with Vedanta, Walker Chandiok & Co LLP. This will add depth and continuity to the company's financial leadership and will make DIL ready for the post-merger scenario. With this, I would like to conclude my address, and now I hand over to Manish for the financial highlights. Thank you very much.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Thank you, Mr. Jaipuria. Good evening, everyone. A very warm welcome, and thank you for your valuable time for attending DIL's Q3, FY 2026 earnings conference call, our 18th such call since our listing in August 2021. At the outset, I would like to thank the chairman and the board for reposing their trust and confidence in me to lead DIL at such an exciting and transformative juncture. With DIL's deep operational capabilities, strong brands, expanding scale, and growing digital and technology backbone, we are uniquely positioned to build a future-ready QSR platform that delivers sustained and long-term value for our stake, stakeholders. We will be announcing the broader leadership team for DIL in due course as we progress with the merger.

Coming back to the results, as of December 21, 2025, our total network stood at 2,279 stores, comprising of 1,174 KFC stores and 1,105 Pizza Hut stores. We also launched our first Sanook Kitchen outlet in Gurgaon. Sanook Kitchen brand is for Thai and Asian food lovers. The consolidated operating EBITDA for Q3 FY 2026 was INR 1,441 crore, up 11.3% YoY. Consolidated Q3 FY 2026 gross profit came in at INR 993 crore, up 11.7% YoY, with margins at 68.9%, reflecting an improvement of 20 basis points YoY. Excluding Sky Gate, the improvement is 70 basis points YoY, and 110 basis points versus quarter two, FY 2026.

Consolidated brand contribution was higher at INR 200 crore versus INR 185 crore last year, led by our India and international operations. The brand contribution margin improved to 13.9% versus 11.7% in the previous quarter. I'm happy to report that Sky Gate brands posted a break-even brand EBITDA. This is ahead of our initial expectations and guidance given earlier. Consolidated operating EBITDA on a pre-interest basis was INR 124 crore, with margins at 8.6% versus 6.8% in the previous quarter. Reported EBITDA was INR 227 crore, with margins at 15.7%. Indian operations grew 12.1% YoY to reach INR 978 crore in revenues. Gross margin came in at 71%, virtually flattish on a YoY basis.

Excluding Sky Gate, the GM improvement stands at 60 basis points versus the previous year. KFC in India added 54 net new stores in quarter three FY 26, taking the total store count for KFC in India to 788 stores as of 31 December. Average daily sales for quarter three FY 26 was stable sequentially at INR 90,000. Revenues at INR 603 crore were up 5.9% YoY. Gross margin at 69.8% showed 1.2% improvement compared to the same quarter last year. The improvement in gross margin was offset on account of deleverage impact because of lower ADS and higher delivery revenues. Brand contribution margin was INR 101 crore, with margins at 68.8%, 40 basis points lower versus the previous year.

We opened 18 net new Pizza Hut stores in quarter three FY 2026, ending with 639 stores in India. Pizza Hut India revenue for the quarter was INR 178 crore, with ADS at INR 31,000. Gross margin was at 76%, an improvement of 1.2% from the preceding quarter. Despite deleverage on lower sales, we managed to effectively control costs and delivered positive brand contribution of INR 1.4 crore and margins at 0.8% for the quarter, improvement of 1% from the previous quarter. We also started to shut the loss-making stores. We have taken steps to turn around the Pizza Hut business. We will start to shut down the loss-making stores in the Pizza Hut portfolio, and our plan is not to add any net new units in the brand for 2026.

However, we will ensure that the overall store count remains broadly in line with December 2025 numbers. Franchise brands, which include Costa Coffee and the newer brands in India, posted revenues of INR 56 crore, with YoY stable gross margins at 75.7% and brand contribution of INR 8.8 crore, with margins at 15.7%, improvement of 5.2% versus the preceding quarters. Our own brands portfolio, which includes Vaango! Biryani By Kilo and Goila Butter Chicken, recorded a healthy growth with INR 94 crore in revenues and gross margins at 64.2%. Brand contribution margin came in at 9%, reflecting the turnaround in profitability of Sky Gate Hospitality portfolio. We achieved break-even brand EBITDA for Sky Gate Hospitality in the month of December.

The Sky Gate portfolio continues to perform in line with our expectations, with the growth momentum carrying through quarter three. With margins improving and the integration nearly completed, we have started to scale up the brand in a measured manner. This quarter, we added 13 net new stores under the Sky Gate portfolio in DIL's existing food court locations. Happy to report that Vaango has crossed a count of 100 stores in this quarter. The revenues for the quarter came in at INR 20 crore, and the brand continues to maintain its healthy gross margins and the brand contribution. Our international business continues to demonstrate resilience and strong performance. Revenues reached INR 473 crore in quarter three FY 2026, up 10.1% YoY, with improved gross margins at 64.9%.

Brand contribution of INR 81 crore, representing 17.1% margins, is higher on YoY basis. Let me also take this opportunity to briefly update you on the merger process. We've already submitted our applications for exchange approvals, and we'll also be shortly filing the application for CCI approval. At this point, we do not anticipate any material deviation in the merger timeline that we've outlined earlier. While we continue to execute towards building a geographically diverse, multidimensional F&B platform, Yum! Brands, i.e., KFC and Pizza Hut, and India business will continue to anchor our business. The proposed merger will further help us build a strong growth foundation in India, and the estimated annual merger synergies of approximately INR 210 crore-INR 225 crore will allow us a greater headroom to invest in India and grow the business.

In our view, QSR remains one of the most promising segments in the consumption category, and we believe we have the brands and the management capability to build a market-leading business. On that note, I would like to request the moderator to open the forum for any questions or suggestions that you may have. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question, may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and eight. Participants are requested to please use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. Our first question comes from the line of Devanshu Bansal from Emkay Global. Please go ahead.

Devanshu Bansal
Analyst, Emkay Global

Hi, thanks for the opportunity and, congratulations on your good operational performance. At the onset, Virag, kudos to your long career with Devyani, and execution, discipline, with healthy operational savings for the company has been.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Devanshu, your voice is not very clear.

Devanshu Bansal
Analyst, Emkay Global

Sir.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Hi, Devanshu?

Devanshu Bansal
Analyst, Emkay Global

Yeah. Is it better now? Hello?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

No.

Operator

Yes, better now.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Yeah, exactly.

Devanshu Bansal
Analyst, Emkay Global

Yeah. Is it better now?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Yeah.

Devanshu Bansal
Analyst, Emkay Global

Yeah. I was saying, Virag, kudos to your long career and, execution on, healthy operational savings, despite a prolonged, macro weakness. And, Manish, congratulations and, all the best for your new role, as CEO of the merged entity. Just, Manish, starting off, still, there is some time, for the CEO hat, but, you have been in the system for quite some time. Checking if you would like to share some initial thoughts on your key focus areas for ramping up, the next phase of, the growth journey for Devyani?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

So I think, Devanshu, obviously it is too early to kind of comment on this piece. And, as you said, I've been in the system long enough, and therefore we all know, and this is not hidden, our biggest priority will be to turn around the SSSG and ADS numbers. And, this can only happen with multiple measures, and obviously, we have to bring a completely enabling environment so that we are able to take these actions forward. So, we will come back to you in due course of time in terms of what the new leadership team will be, what will be our strategy, and so on and so forth. But, otherwise, the operational priority remains very, very important.

We have to be ready with the leadership team before we get into a merger consummation scenario. We need to have a strong technology focus because we all recognize that Devyani is lagging behind on technology versus some of the other peer group. So these are the top priorities that I would say, but, but we will come back to you as and when things evolve.

Devanshu Bansal
Analyst, Emkay Global

No, fair enough, Manish. Looking forward to the updated strategy. The second question, obviously the commentary mentions that most formats have seen positive SSG in January 2026. I wanted to understand the key initiatives which have led to this improvement, just to better gauge the sustainability of this SSG turnaround.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

We experimented, Devanshu, with some ideas, on the promotions, on the deals. We've changed a little bit of our strategy in terms of how we deal with the online business and offline business. So that has really kind of helped us, with the January SSSG numbers. As Mr. Jaipuria said, that Pizza Hut is still to be kind of done. But again, this is just one month in a quarter. We've just started doing experiments. We are seeing the results. As I said, in terms of what the sustainable strategy will be, we will come back to you in due course of time.

Devanshu Bansal
Analyst, Emkay Global

Sure. Just a small follow-up here. So how do we see your improved gross margin profile? Whether we have invested back some of the savings at the gross level to revive this SSG or the JAN trends are mostly with the 70% SSG that we have reported in KFC?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Devanshu, broadly, we will be able to maintain the gross margins profile. I mean, it could be here and there by whatever, some basis points, but largely the gross margin profile will be maintained.

Devanshu Bansal
Analyst, Emkay Global

Sure. Thanks for taking my questions, Manish.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Sure. Thanks a lot, Devanshu.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Jay Doshi from Kotak. Before you go ahead, sir, let me remind participants that they need to press star and one to ask a question, and to please limit your questions to one per participant. You may rejoin the queue if you have follow-up questions. Jay Doshi, you may proceed with your question.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Jay, we are not able to hear you.

Jay Doshi
Analyst, Kotak

Okay. Is this better?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Yeah. Now we can hear you.

Jay Doshi
Analyst, Kotak

Okay. Yes. I've got two questions. First one is, you know, this EBITDA growth of or absolute EBITDA Pre-IndAS of INR 124 crore, you know, do you think that, you know, this is, even in a weak environment, a similar, EBITDA margin or absolute EBITDA adjusted for seasonality, you should be comfortable maintaining? And should we expect improvement, over the course of coming quarters from this level?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Jay, we feel so, because, as I've said in the past, it was the negative, continuous negative SSSG, which was kind of pulling us down. And as you know, in the previous quarter, we started consolidating Biryani By Kilo, and Biryani By Kilo was a loss-making portfolio, and that's where the previous quarter numbers got impacted. So we've managed to turn around Biryani By Kilo to a break-even level, and therefore that has helped us. Our Nepal, Nigeria operations have done exceedingly well. Thailand is very, very stable. If you look at the losses in SSSG in the KFC business in India, they are better than what we've seen in the past, and therefore, we are hopeful that we should be able to maintain the EBITDA numbers.

Jay Doshi
Analyst, Kotak

Sure. Second question is on KFC. You know, for a brand, you know, with such strong brand equity, you know, 10 odd quarters of SSSG decline. You know, can you, can you give us some indication of what could be the impact of cannibalization on, SSSG of KFC? And is there any thought internally to perhaps slow down store addition for KFC for a year or so, and try and improve SSSG and, you know, profitability of that business?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Jay, if you look at our store opening pace, and I'm talking about here KFC as a brand and not DIL so much. If you look at, let's say, in the last five years, we've gone to almost close to 3-4 times of what the base store count used to be. And obviously, if you are opening stores at that pace, there will be some amount of cannibalization which will which will seep in... I think what is required to be done on KFC is a very differentiated strategy from an online and offline perspective. A very differentiated strategy from from how we treat the brand innovation, again, from an online and offline per- perspective. And we've started discussing that internally. We've started taking some steps, and that's what Mr.

Jaipuria alluded that we've seen positive Triple-S in January month. So the idea is that we need to have the right steps and a strategic direction in terms of how the food sector has evolved after the entry of online players like Zomato and Swiggy, and that is what the focus area is going to be. Because if you look at, for example, I mean, I don't want to name the competition, but the nearest competitor in QSR is sitting at more than twice the store count that we have in KFC. And therefore those results are fine, and that is the inspiration for us to ensure that we continue to grow KFC.

However, we have to sort things out in terms of the strategy piece, and and we will come back to you on those.

Jay Doshi
Analyst, Kotak

Understood. Final question is, you know, you had a certain incentives linked to store openings per year. Now, in the new agreement that, you know, you may have signed with Yum!, do you still have, you know, a similar level of commitment in terms of store additions for KFC? Or has it been relaxed in context of, you know, the weakness that Indian market is seeing?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

See, Jay, right now, for example, let's say, during the merger discussions, it was more of what are the merger conditions and how will the merger take place and Yum!'s approval and so on and so forth. Both the companies had independently signed the development agreements. They will continue, and obviously we will inherit whatever was signed by Sapphire. Having said that, obviously, we will present the complete KFC strategy to the parent organization, which is Yum! Brands, and we will have that discussion in terms of what is right for the brand, because for Yum! also, India remains a top priority as far as growth is concerned. And Pizza Hut, as you know, we've already mentioned that we've scaled back, and even for 25, there were zero NNUs. 26, again, there are going to be zero NNUs.

So, so therefore, Pizza Hut, we've recognized that, and, and the focus is turned around, whereas KFC is seen as a growth brand. But nonetheless, we take your point and, and that is something which is kind of a pending discussion from our side with Yum!.

Jay Doshi
Analyst, Kotak

Thank you so much, and Manish, wish you the very best for your new role.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Thank you so much, Jay.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tejas Shah from Avendus Spark Institutional Equities. Please go ahead.

Tejas Shah
Analyst, Avendus Spark Institutional Equities

Hi, thanks for the opportunity, and, Manish, congrats on the promotion and best wishes for the new role. Manish, so Devanshu tried asking this, but I'm also pushing my luck here. So you have had a credit to the prolonged struggle that we have seen in last many quarters. And then you have multiple unfinished projects on the table today. So, what would you prioritize in the sense fixing or ramping up KFC first or fixing Pizza Hut as a model first, and then you have a lot of long tail of other projects as well? So just wanted to understand without too much detail there.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

So, Tejas, I think I've discussed this whole scenario multiple times with you guys. See, traditionally, we were operating like a multi-environment business. So there was Yum!, there was Sapphire, and there was us. So any decision-making used to happen as a three-way approach by way of consensus. Whereas competition had that advantage of being very nimble-footed, faster decision-making, investing in technology. In our case, it was a fractured environment from a multiple perspective. I think the biggest strategic move that we have taken is to consolidate the two companies. And as we've discussed in the previous call, we will take over technology operations from Yum!, we will take over supply chain management from Yum! Now, all of these things will come back and help us.

And therefore, once we overlay that with the operations piece, I think it's a great win-win combination for us. And that's the reason it was very important that we kind of sort out the larger structural issue, which is where we were hugely hampered and impacted by, and that is what something that we've managed to do. Not yet in practice because we are undergoing the regulatory approvals, which will take some time, and this is the time we'll utilize for strategy building and in terms of what is that we need to do on GST, while let's say, the merger process is currently on in terms of approvals.

Tejas Shah
Analyst, Avendus Spark Institutional Equities

Perfect. And second, on this January commentary that we have put out. Apart from the SSG, what are the other operational indicators which are actually helping us or guiding us to say that this could be sustainable and not a false start that we have seen multiple times in the last two, three years?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

See, as I mentioned earlier, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying factually that January has been positive. Let's see, it is just one month. I don't want you guys to draw any conclusions based on that. We need to look at how the whole quarter goes. We need to experiment with the initiatives we've taken in other geographies. So it's early, I agree with you, but we just wanted to indicate the factual situation. Yeah, thanks and all the best for the coming out.

Tejas Shah
Analyst, Avendus Spark Institutional Equities

Sure. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sakshi from Old Bridge Capital. Please go ahead.

Saksha Mantri
Portfolio Manager and Equity Research Analyst, Old Bridge Capital

Hi, team. Thank you for taking my question. Just one on Pizza Hut. So you indicated that you started to sort of shut down the loss-making stores, and that is being compensated by the new addition. Just wanted to get a sense on, you know, basis your initial read-through, how far do we have to go in terms of shutting these stores down? Like, how many stores - If you can just give us an indication on how many stores, such stores are there, and what could be your initial read-through on what is not working for us in these stores, because it's cannibalization or competition or something else? That's the only question I have.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

See, we'll have to handle, again, Pizza Hut from multiple fronts. So, one important element is shutting the loss-making stores. The other important element is having technology for the brand, which is where we have been missing. We need to make sure that the marketing is much more effective. We need to make sure that the innovation pipeline is stronger. And as I said, I mean, all of these initiatives will transition from Yum! to us. Now, that is going to take about a year. In the meantime, we've started taking this initiative on cleaning up the loss-making stores. It'll take a couple of years to finally sort it out. But, we've absolutely started this exercise.

Now, once we have the CCI approval, obviously between us and Sapphire, we are not in a position to talk to each other at this stage. Once we have the CCI approval, we will sit jointly and draw out a merged company strategy plan for Pizza Hut, because that is where we need to kind of work together very, very intensively, by the time the entire process gets finished. We will come back to you on that piece, once we have more details.

Saksha Mantri
Portfolio Manager and Equity Research Analyst, Old Bridge Capital

Sure. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Percy from IIFL. Please go ahead.

Percy Panthaki
Vice President and Lead Analyst for Consumer Staples and Discretionary, IIFL

Hi, Manish. Just one very basic question I wanted to ask you, and this is ignoring any merger synergies that you might get a year or two later. But, like for FY 27, what is the minimum SSSG that you need to deliver so that you can have a pre-index EBITDA margin expansion on a YOY basis?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

See, we will not be able to give you the guidance on FY 27, Percy. But if you look at, let's say, the way we performed, and let me just give you the recent quarter example, by just kind of stating the factual number. So if you look at KFC business, the ADS in the current quarter was 90,000, previous quarter was 89,000, virtually flat. If you look at the SSSG, it was negative. And despite all of that, if you look at the brand contribution, we've managed to improve the brand contribution by more than 200 basis points. So, and that is what I mentioned-

Percy Panthaki
Vice President and Lead Analyst for Consumer Staples and Discretionary, IIFL

What has really gone into that?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Sorry.

Percy Panthaki
Vice President and Lead Analyst for Consumer Staples and Discretionary, IIFL

What has really gone into that? How, how has that 200 basis points been driven?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

See, this is what I said. I mean, we've experimented with multiple things in terms of online, offline, how to kind of segregate the deals, how to do the mix. And so, therefore, I mean, those experiments are in progress, but we are seeing the results. So the point is that, and this is what I mentioned in the past, that we do have levers to optimize the EBITDA. I'm not saying that SSSG is not important. It is a very, very important KPI, and we are absolutely not running away from that. But we do have other levers, which is what I mentioned in the past. So for example, if you remember, in our meeting, I said that the brand contribution margins that KFC used to deliver at 125,000 ADS.

In the current scenario, we are very confident that we'll be able to deliver those kind of brand contribution margins at about INR 105,000-INR 110,000 kind of ADS numbers. So, therefore, I mean, we've made progress on various initiatives, and this is getting reflected in the numbers.

Percy Panthaki
Vice President and Lead Analyst for Consumer Staples and Discretionary, IIFL

Understood. But is there any more juice in the lemon here? What I'm trying to figure out is whatever cost-saving initiatives you have done till now, that's already there in your margins for this quarter. Now, if I have to look ahead, and I'm not asking for a guidance on FY 2027, I'm just looking for a algorithm as to how to model your business. That, let's say if there is a 0 SSSG, is there any way you can still improve margins beyond what you have already done? Or now the margin improvement is going to be more a function of the operating leverage, which would typically cases come only when the SSSG goes beyond a 3%-4% kind of a level.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Percy, see, I mean, using your phrase, I mean, of course, there is juice, there is still juice there in the lemon. So because, see, as I've said, the businesses are ever-evolving. We learn from, what is happening in the environment, we learn from what is happening in the competition, we learn from what we have done in the past. So therefore, it's an ever-evolving situation. So I would not kind of call ever that, I mean, there's nothing more that we can do. That's how, we look at the business, and that is how the group has always been. So, so therefore, I mean, we always look at the initiatives, and, and now with merger happening, obviously, we will have the synergies also coming in. We will have the technology piece kind of coming, coming in our hands.

which will give us the leverage in terms of pricing, how to structure the pricing, in terms of speed of moving with the innovation and various other initiatives. So I would say there are initiatives available, but at the same time, remember that it's a very complex business. It's a very decentralized retail environment, and that is where we continuously seek, as to what the opportunities are sitting in which part of the business, and we continue to optimize.

Percy Panthaki
Vice President and Lead Analyst for Consumer Staples and Discretionary, IIFL

Understood. Understood. Secondly, if I might ask-

Operator

Sorry to interrupt. We request you to please rejoin the queue if you have any further questions. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Avi Mehta from Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

Hi, Manish. Congratulations on the elevation. I wanted to just check with you on two things. One, wanted to understand if this positive same-store sales growth that we saw in January, is this something that was specifically seen only in our formats, or you could comment whether you've seen it across other peers, and whether you have seen any change in the discounting intensity in the space, in the last few months? The second question that I have is a bookkeeping one. My understanding is there has been an increase in India overheads. If you could confirm if that understanding is correct, and what led to it? Those are the two things. Thank you.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

So, Avi, to answer your first question first, obviously I will not be able to comment on the peer group, because we do not have the visibility on the peer group. But January numbers that we've seen, we are only talking about our scenario. So that is one. Second, coming to the India overheads, as I've said in the past, please take 5% as normally the corporate GNA, in terms of the broad guidance, as far as our company is concerned. But this particular quarter, as you know, there has been an implementation of the labor code, and that kind of impacts the overall numbers. And there are some numbers which have got impacted above EBITDA, there are some below in terms of what the accounting standards are.

But otherwise, the GNA remains more or less as guided earlier, and there's no significant deviation or variation on that.

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

So, sorry, Manish, just to confirm this number, what's the amount that I should kind of remove to get a more stable state run rate in the India overhead?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

So that's what I said. For, let's say, for 26-27.

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

Yeah.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

You can take a 5%, GNA.

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

Okay. That's all. Thank you. Thank you, Manish. Thank you.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Yeah. Thanks so much, Avi.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Gaurav Jugani from JM Financial. Please go ahead.

Gaurav Jogani
Analyst, JM Financial

Thank you, and congratulations to you, Manish, for the elevation. My first question is with regards to, you know, the international piece of the business. While, you know, the India piece has grown at a decent pace, there is some.

Operator

Sorry to interrupt, Gaurav, but your line is not very clear.

Gaurav Jogani
Analyst, JM Financial

Am I audible now?

Operator

This is, this is a little better. Please go ahead.

Gaurav Jogani
Analyst, JM Financial

Yeah. So first of all, I would like to congratulate Manish on his elevation for the post of CEO. My question to Manish is regarding the international piece of the business, where, you know, the growth has been, I would say, a bit muted, despite, you know, Nigeria and Nepal doing better. So, is there some impact on the growth in the Thailand piece of the business? Because geographically it's a good season business for them.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

So, Thailand, if you remember, Gaurav, I mean, the April-May-June quarter is one of the best quarters. Nepal, Nigeria, while we've seen great growth, but as a constituent of the overall business, it's small. And we've seen some negative SSS in our Thailand business as well. And Thailand, again, in January, has done better versus what we saw in the previous quarter. But if you look at, let's say, from a gross margin perspective on the international side, the margins have improved by 90 basis points. If you look at the brand contribution, the brand, the overall business has improved by 40 basis points versus previous quarter, and almost 50 basis points versus a year ago.

So I think we are on the right track as far as the international business is also concerned.

Gaurav Jogani
Analyst, JM Financial

Sure. And Manish, just on the corporate overheads bit only, you know, the corporate overheads for the international business also seems to have increased. So is there some currency related impact in that, because which it seems the decline?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

I can check specifically on the currency, related, related piece, Gaurav, but otherwise, underlying, we know that, the corporate overheads for international have remained in line.

Gaurav Jogani
Analyst, JM Financial

Yeah, QoQ, it is in line, I would say that. I don't see why or why it would be in line.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Sure. Let me just check that out and come back to you.

Gaurav Jogani
Analyst, JM Financial

Sure. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Amit Sachdeva from UBS. Please go ahead.

Amit Sachdeva
Analyst, UBS

Hi. Thank you so much for taking my question, and congratulations, Manish, on your role. So my just one question on, you know, January improvement that we've seen, and obviously you alluded to the several initiatives or at least, the experiments you've run, maybe I assume that pricing and how you kind of, you know, create the marketing mix for that. Could you give us a little bit of detail that what three, four things are you really excited about that are working very well? It is a pivot to value or the larger pack, or what sort of online and offline strategies are actually working, if you'd like to repeat? If you could give us some more detail about that, I'll really appreciate.

What you think that are going to sustain and help you in the rest of the quarter as well?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Amit, as you know, all of these are business confidential, details, and we will not be able to share that in the public forum. So but obviously, as I said, there is enough and more opportunity available, both in the online and offline piece, that we can continue to optimize our offerings. We can continue to how we focus and play with the, with the deals, with the discount mixes, and so on and so forth. So I mean, obviously, we will not be able to lay out, the marketing promotion and, and how we kind of approached it.

Amit Sachdeva
Analyst, UBS

Sure. But you know, just to understand that it is largely driven by how you promote and—or is it like some SKUs are working better, which I'm not really asking for any competitive sense of thing, just as a, as a structural theme that which is working very well and which, which you feel is, you know-

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Amit, Amit, sure, sure. I've got your point. So we've experimented with some deals and the offerings in certain markets, which have given us good results. And we are wanting to kind of experiment that on a little bit better scale in other geographies as well.

Amit Sachdeva
Analyst, UBS

Sure.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

And we've experimented in other geography that has given the results again. So therefore, I mean, that's the broad piece. It's how you approach the mix between the online, offline, where you focus, where you put your more money. So that's the kind of approach that we've taken.

Amit Sachdeva
Analyst, UBS

Got it. Got it. Thanks so much for that. I really appreciate your input. Thanks, Manish, and all the best.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to ask a question, you may please press star and one. Our next question comes from the line of Ashish Kanodia from Citi. Please go ahead.

Ashish Kanodia
Analyst, Citi

Yeah, thank you. Manish, just on the demand part, while I understand, you know, you have taken some of the strategic initiative, but if I also look at threeQ numbers, there's an improvement in KFC, there's an improvement in Costa Coffee as well, sequentially. And if I just look at, you know, how the food aggregators have reported, there was some uptick in growth in threeQ as well. So apart from the strategic initiative, where you are seeing positive SSC coming through, if you look at three threeQ, October, November, December, have you also seen some bit of a tailwind coming through the quarter, like sequentially had December been slightly better than November, adjusting for, of course, the seasonality?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

So, Ashish, as Mr. Jaipuria mentioned in his address, he did mention that we are seeing some green shoots in the overall consumption environment. And obviously, when let's say that is happening and plus we are kind of double-dipping basis whatever we are doing, things start to happen. So we've already talked about that. So therefore, that kind of matches with the commentary that you're also hearing, because we are seeing it's too early. We would not like you guys to kind of make some definitive conclusions basis that, but there are some green shoots which are kind of appearing.

Ashish Kanodia
Analyst, Citi

Sure, sure, Manish, that's helpful. And just on the store expansion side, if I hear you correctly, in Pizza Hut, you will not add any stores on a net basis in FY 2026. But on FY 2027, you know, just looking at the Devyani part of the business, how should we think about store expansion for both KFC and Pizza Hut?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

So, Ashish, when I talked about 2026, I actually meant the calendar year 2026, which is large part of the financial year 2026, 2027. So therefore, until about December 2026, we will, we will have a neutralized and a new structure. From January to March of 2027 is something that we are discussing and we will come back to you guys.

Ashish Kanodia
Analyst, Citi

Sure.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

But again, the store additions will be minimal. It will not be as in the past. It will be a very, very small amount, if required.

Ashish Kanodia
Analyst, Citi

For KFC?

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

KFC, as I said, our DA continues. We've inherited the, Sapphire DA also. So, if you, if you remember, we've said in the past that, as far as DIL is concerned, we plan to add about 110-120 stores every year for KFC. That stays.

Ashish Kanodia
Analyst, Citi

Sure, Manish. Thank you, and congratulations on the new.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Thanks, Ashish.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will take that as our last question. I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments. Over to you, sir.

Speaker 14

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Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes this conference. Thank you all for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.

Manish Dawar
CFO and Whole Time Director, Devyani International

Thank you very much.

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