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Q1 21/22

Jul 22, 2021

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to Hindustan Unilever Limited conference call for the results for quarter ended 30th June 2021. As a reminder, all participants line will be in the listen-only mode. And there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation conclude. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal the operator by pressing star, then zero on the touch-tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. A Ravishankar, Group Controller and Head of Investor Relations. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

A Ravishankar
Group Controller and Head of Investor Relations, Hindustan Unilever

Thank you, [Margaret]. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the conference call of Hindustan Unilever Limited. We'll be covering this evening the results for the quarter ended 30th June 2021. On the call with me from our end is Mr. Sanjiv Mehta, Chairman and Managing Director, and Mr. Ritesh Tiwari, Chief Financial Officer, HUL. We hope that all of you are staying safe and healthy. As is customary, we will start the presentation with Sanjiv sharing his perspective on the market and an overview of how we are navigating the current environment. Ritesh will then share with you our performance for the quarter with the category highlights and our outlook for the future. Before we get started on the presentation, I will draw your attention to the safe harbor statement included in the presentation for good order's sake.

I request all of you to pay close attention to Sanjiv and Ritesh's message over the next 30 minutes. We'll be addressing upfront a lot of questions which are likely to be top of mind for you. With that, over to you, Sanjiv.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Thank you, Ravi. Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call today. I hope that you and your loved ones are safe, keeping well in these exceptionally challenging times. I, on behalf of Hindustan Unilever, would like to express our heartfelt condolences to those who have lost their loved ones. We wish a speedy recovery to those who are battling this virus and immense gratitude to all the frontline heroes who are standing up against adversity and are fighting tirelessly to help keep others safe.

I would also like to thank every member of HUL for their relentless commitment and dedication in these difficult circumstances. I'm delighted to welcome Ritesh Tiwari, our CFO, and Ravishankar, our Controller and Head of Investor Relations. They're extremely talented individuals and have landed running. I'm sure each one of you will find the experience of engaging with them very enriching.

Now let me take you through the market context and our imperatives on navigating through the crisis. You would recall I had mentioned that April had started off on a good note, continuing the strong momentum from last quarter. Infection rates were largely under control, consumer sentiments were improving, and the economy was on the path to recovery. Importantly, vaccination had commenced in the country. However, towards the latter part of April, cases started spiraling up in the country. It was more devastating this time. The intensity of surge in cases put the medical infrastructure under pressure, with active caseload jumping to 3.7 million at its peak. Mobility got severely impacted in the month of May as cases hit the peak of more than 400,000 a day. Authorities rightfully used localized containment measures to control the spread.

With the immense efforts of the authorities and the frontline health warriors, we saw a sharp decline from the peak to less than 70,000 cases per day now. Mobility has also started to improve in June as the restrictions were gradually lifted. Unlike last year, this time there were localized lockdowns, so the back-end supply chain kept functioning. Although last mile logistics had seen some impact. Overall, the impact on mobility this year was less severe compared to June quarter 2020. If you were to look at it through the lens of FMCG industry, May month was severely impacted as a large part of the country was under localized lockdown. However, as restrictions lifted progressively, June month rebounded to March 2021 levels. Unlike last year, we are seeing virus spreading into the rural hinterlands this time.

Notwithstanding this, rural continues to remain resilient with a decent start to the monsoon and government support helping the cause. Urban markets, which showed signs of recovery in March quarter, was impacted more severely and are yet to come back to March 2021 levels. On the commodities front, we continue to witness unprecedented inflation in our three key raw materials. Palm oil prices continue to be at record levels. Buoyed by recovery in global economy and supply constraints, crude has also rallied significantly over the last few months. Tea had seen significant inflation in 2020. The prices continue to remain firm. These are the initial days of the new crop. While we expect to see some softening versus the record levels in 2020, prices are expected to remain higher than the 2019 levels.

The operating environment has remained challenging in this quarter. COVID-19 wave two has brought into sharp focus the volatile and uncertain times we live in. It tested the resilience of a business, character of the people, agility of operations, and the depth of our financial strength. Building on experiences of 2020, we built innate resilience and agility in operations. Our five growth fundamentals, purposeful brands, improving the penetration, impactful innovations, designing for channels, and creating the field for growth, combined with the four clear priorities of people, supply, demand, cost, and cash. The technology muscle that we've built over the last few years helps us to navigate the crisis well and come out stronger. Our people will always be our biggest asset, and ensuring their safety and wellbeing will remain our topmost priority. We have ramped up our medical infrastructure and manpower.

We have a team of 60 doctors, 40% more compared to pre-COVID-19 levels, to look after the health of employees. We have tied up with more than 200 hospitals across the country and have 45 fully equipped ambulances to support critical cases. Central to tackling the pandemic is vaccinating our people. We are facilitating vaccination of employees, their family members, and also people who form part of our outer core . As of today, about 90% of all our eligible own employees have been inoculated with at least one dose of vaccine. If I look at our ecosystem, excluding, of course, the family members, then more than 88,000 people have received at least one dose of vaccination. Today, our supply chain has become much more agile and resilient. Our distributed manufacturing footprint enables us to manufacture goods closer to the market.

We have debottlenecked our production lines, made them more flexible to quickly adapt to the changing requirements should there be a surge in demand, and have taken our potential capacity to 1.3x of pre-COVID levels. We are keeping inventory closer to the consumers to ensure availability of our products. Despite significant disruption from last-mile logistics due to COVID restrictions and limited hours of store operations, we were able to maintain our direct coverage at healthy levels. We also ensured availability of a wide range of assortments, unlike what happened last year. Demographics in India are changing rapidly, and this is translating into evolving consumer needs and aspirations. At HUL, we are leveraging our global know-how, embellishing it with deep local insights, and innovating to meet consumer demand by constantly striving to deliver better experiences.

To make the chore of doing laundry more efficient, Surf excel has launched 3-in-1 Smart Shot, a single-use soluble liquid detergent capsule with a unique three-chamber design that provides advanced stain removal, long-lasting fragrance, and care for fabrics. On its journey to make beauty products more sustainable, Lakmé has introduced its Perfect Radiance Skin Brigh tening Day Cream with a recyclable refill jar that reduces plastic usage by up to 85%. Kwality Wall's has launched the Cadbury Crackle Tub in partnership with Mondelēz. It's a relishing combination of chocolate swirls and rich chocolate scoops overloaded with Cadbury Crackle magic. If you haven't tried it yet, I would definitely urge you to do so. Vaseline has launched a new range of hydrating lotions and gels that keep you refreshed with hydrated and moisturized skin.

It's never been more relevant for brands to demonstrate their positive contribution to society and address the issues that consumers care about in an authentic way. We are investing on communications that are explicitly purposeful and consumer relevant. Lifebuoy continued its purposeful journey and launched a public service message communicating the role every Indian has to play in taming the second wave by educating people to become role models in their communities by following the COVID-appropriate behaviors. With a strong sense of purpose to offer superior disinfection, Domex responded with agility to the COVID-19 crisis. Mumbai was one of the first cities in India to be gravely infected by the second wave of the COVID pandemic. Domex joined hands with the Municipal Corporation of Greater Mumbai to fight against COVID-19 by helping keep public spaces safe and sanitized. After a delay due to the pandemic, Olympics are nearly here.

Our purposeful brand, Rin, in its latest ad campaign, Time to Shine, is celebrating the inspiring story of grit and determination of India's first Olympic fencer, Bhawani Devi. Living its philosophy to encourage young girls to not only dream it, but also achieve it, Sunsilk did a digital video with Priya Malik, popular word artist and poet, to bring this alive beautifully through a poem, "Sapno Ka Email ," inspiring girls to turn their dreams into reality. In the past, we have talked to you about Reimagine HUL, our journey to create a tech-enabled intelligent enterprise where we are leveraging technology to scale up the impact of digital initiatives on our business. Shikhar, our eB2B app is a real game changer for us. We've added another 50,000 stores to take the tally to 5.5 lakh stores.

Along with adding new stores, we are driving better adoption and stickiness, which is reflected in the contribution of Shikhar turnover, which has gone up by 6x in June quarter versus the same quarter last year. COVID-19 has, of course, amplified the significance of e-commerce and consumer preference for e-everything, is a clear tailwind for the channel. We believe as the consumers get used to the convenience and assortment of e-commerce, these habits will continue to stick. At HUL, winning in channels of future has been a strategic imperative. In the last quarter, we talked about premium beauty business unit, which will focus on digital-only and digital-first brand. We are excited about this opportunity and have rolled out a range of beauty products under our digital-only brand, Simple. Leveraging our global presence, we are learning from experience in more developed e-commerce markets.

Design for channel is a key pillar of our five growth fundamentals, under which we are designing new products with right pack- price architecture exclusively for e-commerce. All of this has enabled us to continue to activate our growth momentum in e-commerce and increase the contribution of this business to 2x on a year-on-year basis. In our endeavor to provide a seamless engagement and shopping experience to consumers, we are exploring new routes to reach them. UShop, our multi-brand online direct-to-consumer store is a step in the right direction. We've started UShop in Mumbai and Delhi will be expanding further. Our premium brands like Lakmé and Indulekha have their own D2C platform, providing a unique shopping experience to the consumer. ICnow is another initiative where we have tied up with last-mile delivery partners like Swiggy, Zomato, Dunzo to provide home delivery of ice cream.

Today, more than 10% of our demand is captured digitally through these future-ready platforms. This also gives us unique ability to run our demand generation activities in a disruptive way. As I said earlier, we entered the quarter on a strong momentum before hitting the second COVID-19 wave, which impacted part of April and entire month of May. In this backdrop, we delivered a robust performance. Consumer business growing at 12%, led by underlying volume growth of 9%. Our profits after tax grew by 10%. Market development initiatives are yielding strong results, and the market development sales continue to grow ahead of overall growth.

Premium portfolio also did well, growing at 2x of the rest of the portfolio. Our business fundamentals remain strong, and we continue to gain penetration in more than 80% of our business on LTM basis when compared to the same period, not in 2020, which would be an easier thing to deliver, but against 2019. Against 2020, we are gaining penetration across all of our business. We are starting to see Nielsen having better stability, and as per the latest June quarter read, we are gaining value shares in more than 3/4 of our business on L3M June basis.

During the second wave, we launched Mission HO2PE, and as part of this, we airlifted 5,500 oxygen concentrators from across the world into India in a fast-track manner to address the shortage of medical oxygen, which is being deployed in hospitals in 16 states to strengthen the rural infrastructure and with a partner, Portea Medical, established a free of cost borrow- use- return model in several cities to help people in need. We also converted our idle nitrogen plant in Pondicherry to oxygen plant, supporting sustained oxygen supply to a government hospital for chest diseases. We also started free Prabhat telemedicine services in five of our factory locations in partnership with LabourNet Healthcare. These centers are ensuring safe, affordable, and accessible healthcare services for rural communities where access is a huge problem.

Let me now turn to our newly launched Unilever Compass, the strategy that will excuse me, drive our business and will help us on a journey to becoming a leader in sustainable business. At the heart of the compass is our belief that sustainable and purposeful business drive superior performance. This message is extremely relevant in today's environment than ever before. In a way, we are determined to end the debate of whether there is a trade-off between purpose and performance. We realize that being purpose-led alone will not be enough to be successful. We also have to be future fit by being fully digitized, more innovative, and faster to respond to the many changes shaping people's lives every day. Bringing focus to the compass are time-bound commitments and actionable goals that we are committing to.

We believe that these commitments will help tackle the biggest challenges of our time, such as packaging and waste, gender equality, human rights, and fair value. Of course, climate change, water scarcity, and social inclusion. By focusing on building solutions for these challenges through a purposeful brand and actions, we will connect even more closely with the consumers and communities we serve. The Compass chalks out the strategic choices and action that we believe will help us achieve our purpose and vision. We will do this by developing a portfolio to expand in high-growth segments, leading in the channels of the future, creating purposeful brands, building differentiated capabilities, and a future-fit organization culture. Looking forward, while we are cautiously optimistic about the near-term outlook, we remain confident of mid to long-term prospects for the FMCG industry and India.

We are still not out of the woods, as far as the virus is concerned. It is important for all of us to be responsible, follow COVID-appropriate behavior, and not throw caution to the wind. As Lifebuoy has rightly said, "Fighting coronavirus is in your hands, our hands." Let me now hand over to my colleague, Ritesh, as he provides deeper insights into this quarter's performance. Ritesh, over to you.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Thank you, Sanjiv. Good evening, everyone. I will now take you through the performance from an in-quarter perspective and also talk about briefly the future outlook. As Sanjiv said, our performance has been robust in a challenging context. Sanjiv elaborated about the impact of second wave on May month and how we have sequential pick up in June. Talking about numbers, our domestic consumer business grew by 12%, led by strong underlying volume growth of 9%. You would also remember Sanjiv talking about the high inflationary pressure in our input cost. Continuing with our judicious and calibrated pricing approach, we executed another round of price increase in the skin cleansing, laundry, and tea portfolio. Our underlying price growth at 3% will optically look lower than March quarter 2021.

This is reflective of the variation in the intensity trade spends in the base periods of March quarter 2020 and June quarter 2020. Growth was broad-based, with all three divisions growing in double digits. Health, hygiene, and nutrition, which forms 85% of our portfolio, continued strong momentum, growing on a relatively high base of JQ 2020. Whilst discretionary and out-of-home portfolio were impacted due to limited mobility, albeit the impact was lower than [Q1]. We will talk more about top-line growth when we go into category slides. Moving to bottom-line performance, our net profit after tax grew by 10% to more than INR 2,000 crore. Our EBITDA margins have declined by 110 basis points on a year-on-year basis, primarily linked to high input cost inflation and increased A&P spends. If you remember, we had the benefit of low media rates in the base period.

This is partly offset by turnover leverage on other expenses and employee cost. On a sequential basis, our EBITDA margins are down 50 basis points. This is consistent to how we had approached the business and spoken to you last quarter that we will look to maintain healthy margins while driving competitive volume growth.

The sequential drop in margins was driven by high input costs from crude and palm oil, which have inflated at record levels, partly offset by pricing actions. We had talked about one-off benefit in employee cost in March quarter 2021, linked to true-up of variable pay. A&P spends are sequentially lower as we calibrated our media spends given second wave of COVID and impact to some discretionary categories. We continue to maintain competitiveness of our brand with our share of voice well ahead of our share of market. Profit after tax before exceptional item was up 5%.

The gap of 5% in PAT BEI and net profit is explained by exceptional cost in base period linked to M&A and integration cost. Our growth has been broad-based with all our three divisions growing in double digits. Home Care growth at 12% was enabled by strong performance in fabric wash and household care. Beauty and Personal Care growth at 13% was led by hair care and skin care. Foods and Refreshments grew at 12%, led by continued momentum of in-home portfolio. Let me now shift gears to performance within each of the division. Let me start with Home Care. Household care continues to perform well, delivering high teens growth on a strong base, led by premium. Premium dishwasher portfolio continues to do well. Fabric wash grew in double digits, driven by our premium portfolio of Surf, liquid, and fabric conditioners.

We continue to take calibrated pricing in laundry, considering the significant input cost inflation. Purifiers continue to improve sequentially, led by acceleration in e-commerce. Moving to Beauty and Personal Care. Soaps delivered another strong quarter of growth. Premium portfolio of soaps continued to perform well, growing sequentially. Hand hygiene portfolio comprising sanitizers and hand wash declined on an exceptionally high base of JQ 2020 when we saw people stocking up these products. Palm oil continues to be at record level. These are multi-year highs, and we have been taking prices in a calibrated manner to protect our business model while maintaining competitiveness. In oral care, Closeup continues to do well. Pepsodent launched its coronavirus-fighting mouthwash with CPC technology that reduces 99.9% COVID-19 virus after 30 seconds of rinsing. Hair care continues its stellar performance, growing in high double digits as we continue to gain market share.

Our innovations and communications are finding relevance with consumers and yielding good results. Skin care and color cosmetics recovered strongly on a year-on-year basis as mobility improved versus JQ 2020, though not back to pre-COVID levels yet. These are structurally very attractive businesses and have delivered strong performance for us. We believe as mobility further improves, these categories will see increased consumption. Talking about Foods and Refreshment, business continues to grow in double digits led by in-home portfolio. In foods, ketchup and soup continued their strong momentum and grew on a high rate in Q2 2020. Tea delivered another strong quarter with all our tea brands growing in double digits on a very strong base in the prior year, as we continue to gain share. Go-to-market integration in nutrition business is progressing well. Health food drinks gained penetration sequentially and grew volumes in mid-single digits.

You would recall GSK used to operate with a sub-distributor model, which are now changing to direct coverage in line with HUL's distribution practices. As a result, there was an adverse impact linked to pipeline correction, which we integrated with distributors. I will speak in more detail about nutrition business and progress on integration a little later in the presentation. Ice cream recovered and grew year-over-year from a weak base, although performance in the quarter was impacted by limited mobility. In partnership with Mondelēz International, we launched Kwality Wall's Cadbury Crackle frozen dessert, and it is doing well. We have been talking to you about our portfolio from a COVID impact lens, and if you would notice, the health, hygiene, and nutrition, which used to be 80% of our portfolio, has now gone up to 85%, reflecting the differential growths of the three portfolio.

This chart provides a quick snapshot of how the three portfolios performed in this quarter. Health, hygiene, and nutrition continued its momentum, growing at 8% on a relatively strong base. Discretionary and out-of-home business, which includes categories like skincare, color cosmetics, and ice creams, were relatively less impacted in this quarter compared to the same period last year. They grew in high double- digits, albeit not yet back to pre-COVID levels. Now I will talk more about nutrition business, which I'm sure is an area of interest to many of you. As we told you in April, we completed SAP migration in March quarter and had started off with go-to-market integration, which was the next logical step. GSK has nearly 800 distributors who have become part of HUL distribution network post-merger.

We have designed our go-to-market structure to ensure that the combined strengths of both GSK and HUL are leveraged in the marketplace. We are progressing well on our plans and have nearly integrated almost half of the business despite the COVID challenges. We have also expanded our direct coverage in nutrition by 1.4x compared to April of last year. As we said in the past, health food drinks is a highly under-penetrated category in India, with all India penetration levels at circa 25%. In rural areas, this is even lower. Quite naturally, our most important job is to develop the market and grow penetration in this category. One of the important market development activity is consumer connect to recruit consumers into the category. This quarter, we made 500,000 contacts and are looking to drive this further as COVID restrictions are lifted.

Another critical aspect of integration is to continue on the journey of generating cost synergies. Consistent over past commentary, we are progressing ahead of our plans. We will continue to invest part of these synergies back in growing penetration and developing the portfolio further to keep business on a virtuous circle of growth. Talking about segmenting performance. From a segment lens, all three segments have performed well with growth in double digits. We are also seeing the impact of inclusion of nutrition business numbers in the base for Foods and Refreshment. As we mentioned earlier that this quarter we annualized and all numbers of Foods and Refreshment have nutrition in the base, so it's completely like for like comparison now. Our margins in all three divisions are healthy, and we continue to manage them dynamically.

If you recollect, Foods and Refreshment margins in December quarter were at 14%, and from there, we have been able to build the margins up to 18% in just a couple of quarters, while still growing the business at a high pace. As we have always said, margins will follow if you are able to get growth equation and competitiveness right, and that's exactly what we have been able to do well in our Foods and Refreshment business. In summary, our performance has been strong both on top line and bottom line. I've already covered most of the lines in detail. Let me pick up a couple of items and elaborate more. The first is drop in other income, which is on account of lower treasury yield and one-off credit in base from interest and tax prior period adjustment. The other one is on effective tax rate.

Our ETR for the quarter was 21.7%, given certain prior period items. Excluding prior period items, we expect our ETR for the year to be around 26%. Coming to my last chart for the day. Looking forward, we are cautiously optimistic. With mobility improving, we believe the demand for FMCG product will go up, especially for discretionary categories. The strength of our portfolio and our capabilities will hold us in good stead. Notwithstanding this, possible surge in infection rates may cause uncertainty to demand. Rural has been growth engine for FMCG for last few quarters, and it continues to be resilient. Hopefully, we see a good monsoon. This will also help for the rural economy and for our business.

Three of our biggest input materials remain volatile and at elevated levels, and we will continue to look for all levers like savings, judicious and calibrated pricing whilst maintaining the right growth equation to protect our business model. Our focus remains on driving volume-led competitive growth with the right balance on pricing. We will continue to dynamically manage our EBITDA margins broadly in the existing range. With this, we complete our prepared remarks, and let me hand over to Ravi to commence our Q&A session.

A Ravishankar
Group Controller and Head of Investor Relations, Hindustan Unilever

Thank you, Sanjiv. Thank you, Ritesh. With this, we will now move on to the Q&A section. In addition to the audio, as always, our participants have an option to pose the questions through the web option on your screen. We will take these questions just before we end. With that, I would like to hand the call back to [Margaret] to manage the next session for us, please. Go ahead, [Margaret]. Over to you.

Operator

Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on the touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Anyone who would like to ask a question, please press star and one at this time. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question is from the line of Abneesh Roy from Edelweiss. Please go ahead.

Abneesh Roy
Analyst, Edelweiss

Yeah. Thanks for the opportunity. My first question is on tea business. In the FY 2021 annual report, in tea you mentioned significant market share gains, and you mentioned even in Q1 commentary, market share gains continuing. My question is this coming from the regional players essentially, or even the other large pan-India players? Second, is it happening because of the sharp inflation market leader gains or even WiMI strategy and your healthy variants, those are also helping?

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Abneesh, thanks so much. On tea, we have gained market share. Our strategy was always to drive competitive growth as we saw pretty steep inflation of tea commodity, as you know, which happened last year, and it remains elevated even now at this peak. In tea, our strategy was to ensure that we drive competitive volume growth, and this is exactly what we did. We grew incremental market share on volume, and which also then translated into value market share as well. We have gained on tea volume and value market share from both. Your question has been across the board, it's a pretty robust growth across the geographies that we play against various price segments that we play. The WiMi strategy which you spoke about, that has been extremely carefully navigated in the quarter.

As you know, it was a pretty tough period for the country as infections started to spiral in the later part of April and was at very different heights in month of May. During this period, we very calibratedly managed our different geographies, wherein we were able to play our portfolio in a very different manner with full capability of our customer development teams and our supply chain teams to drive growth across different parts of the country. Of course, different mixes for different geographies have always been one of the hallmarks of our portfolio, which is pretty broad from a price perspective and also from different taste perspective.

Abneesh Roy
Analyst, Edelweiss

Right. Two follow-ups on this. One is, you mentioned in your opening remarks that in tea crop, these are early days for the fresh crop, but you did mention some correction from last year, but from a two-year basis, it is inflationary. My question is, when I link up your 400 basis points expansion in F&R margins from a two-quarter perspective, is the pricing in tea either up or down largely done, taking into view some correction? Second, your Unilever parent has said today that the operational separation of the tea business is largely done. They have said INR 2 billion revenue excludes tea business in India and Indonesia. Does it mean India tea business will not be part of this and so it will continue as part of HUL?

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Let me take up the tea question first. Tea is an extremely strong business for HUL. We are fully committed. We run it very strongly. As I just covered, as I mentioned that it is growing very well, gaining both volume and value share. Tea remains integral part of our business. All numbers for HUL that you have seen includes tea in the base and of course in the current quarter. We are fully committed in this category, which is growing very well for us. Any other question you have, Abneesh?

Abneesh Roy
Analyst, Edelweiss

Yeah, on the parent tea business.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Yeah. Ritesh, I'll just take that question.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Sure.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Yeah. Abneesh, let me be very emphatic. We keep strengthening our team leadership in the business, our leadership in the tea business. We have got a fabulous tea business, and we have no intention whatsoever to divest this business. This business will remain an integral part of HUL.

Abneesh Roy
Analyst, Edelweiss

Sure. That answers my second and last question is on sequential penetration gains in Glow & Lovely and your nutrition business. That was something surprising given the pandemic wave two. If you could explain what is the reason for this and how is the INR 2 sachet doing in nutrition business?

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Yes, Abneesh. Both in nutrition and in the portfolio, as you mentioned, we have gained in the Glow & Lovely sequential penetration. During the quarter, as we have ramped up business, market development actions, they have continued. You also heard me speaking earlier that we did half a million consumer connects in the quarter. Hopefully as the situation further improves, we are able to further accelerate it. During the quarter, all our jobs that we have to do in terms of developing markets has continued to happen, which is why you are seeing the impact of that in Glow & Lovely and in nutrition, as you mentioned, about sequential penetration gain. I also covered that overall, 80%+ business across Hindustan Unilever has gained penetration over 2019. More than 3/4 quarters of our business has gained share as well, including skin cleansing.

Within that, the point which you mentioned on the sachets, yes, both the INR 2 and INR 5 sachet, they are very critical for us to gain penetration. I mentioned earlier that the penetration of category of health food drinks is more like say 25%, and it is lower in rural areas. There's a big job to be done for us, hence, the role of INR 2, INR 5 sachet in enrolling new consumers with more trials is extremely critical, and we are exactly focusing on that. Including the plus range to extend the benefit platform, we have activated that and that's our another route to drive market development. In summary, if I just probably may touch upon one more element of nutrition as I mentioned earlier, the go-to-market integration. It has enabled us to get 1.4x direct reach, as we have de-layered our distribution system.

Once we complete in next three to four months' time, our entire go-to-market integration, we hope to have at least twice the amount of direct outlet coverage what we have in April last year. Put together, we are confident that we should be able to keep developing market and penetrating more with the category. Just last to pick up, Abneesh, your question on tea inflation and tea marketing mix. Tea, we are in the middle of season, we will know as to how those numbers come out. Too early days to have a full view at this point in time. Tea overall remain inflated compared to what it was. We have taken sequential price increase one more round in June quarter.

Our overall margins in F&R, as I just spoke earlier, at 18% is very healthy, we have been able to improve F&R margin across the board, which you've seen from 14%, now we have taken that to 18%. While doing that, there has been no compromise on our competitiveness and our ability to drive volume growth in the business.

Abneesh Roy
Analyst, Edelweiss

One last small follow-up on nutrition. I understand integration is still underway, and I also understand the impact of pandemic, et cetera. When I see growth rate of 5% in this category where direct reach has improved significantly and INR 2, INR 5 sachet has come, that is lower than your overall growth rate and double-digit growth rate in all the three sub-segments which you report. When do we see nutrition business growing faster than the company average? Will we have to wait for the full integration to happen? You said half of the integration has happened.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Yeah. Integration journey, we are almost half-mark we are at this point in time. In June quarter, we completed roughly 50% of integration. By the end of September, we should be having 80%-90% of integration completed. Within the quarter, one of the elements I had called out that we de-layered the earlier system that we had. GSK had distributors and sub-distributors. With HUL go-to-market integration, what we have done is we have de-layered the distribution system, wherein now we do direct servicing, as I mentioned earlier, to large number of outlet, and we have taken the mid-layer of sub-distributor. This would also mean pipeline correction in our distribution system and hence had impact in the quarter, in the June quarter. Overall, long-term, we are very, very clear that the market development potential is pretty strong for nutrition business.

As I mentioned, the penetration is low at 25%, there is enough and more to be done, be it using more of INR 2-INR 5 route to reach more consumers or be it our expanded plus range. Put together, we have pretty good headroom to keep driving consumption of nutrition. Sanjiv, I hand over to you to build something on this further? Just to also mention, Abneesh Roy, of course, overall market development, our impact in the quarter did get limited because of COVID-19. We hope to pick up further pace on that. We did pretty good job across the portfolio, I must say that in the quarter, it got limited to some extent in the months of peak May, as I mentioned earlier, where mobility was severely restricted, and it did impact.

I think coming month of June, as mobility has improved, with infection rates coming down, we have full back swing on all our initiatives on market development, and that is a route to grow. Given the penetration and levels of consumption for FMCG in India, this will continue to remain a focus area and a growth driver.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Yeah. Abneesh, let me embellish what Ritesh has said. From HFD or the nutrition business, our first priority was people integration and being able to retain all the best talent, which we've been able to do. Second was the system integration, which we have completed to a large extent. The third was the GTM integration, the go-to-market, which Ritesh has explained, is in place and will be completed definitely by end of the year. The core of the marketing was market development and getting into new segments. Obviously, with all the disruptions that have happened, the market development has not gone off with the kind of pace we normally do. We are not much worried about that. It's a market development. It takes massive amount of effort. It requires not just communication, but it also requires us to make people experience the brands.

That, together with accessibility and higher distribution, gets into a virtuous cycle. Yes, the environment has been a bit vitiated, but very importantly, also, we have ensured that our synergies, our cost synergies, which is much more under our control, we have been able to deliver ahead of plan. I'm not really much worried about HFD. We will get into the rhythm what we had sought to do when we purchased this property.

Abneesh Roy
Analyst, Edelweiss

Sure. That's very helpful. That's all from me. Thanks a lot.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Percy Panthaki from IIFL Securities. Please go ahead.

Percy Panthaki
Analyst, IIFL Securities

Hi. Good afternoon, team. My first question is on the pricing. With the domestic consumer sales growth at 12% and volume at 9%, the derived pricing is about 3% there, versus in March quarter, your difference between the volume and value was about 5 percentage points. I just wanted to understand why this has come down to 3% now, especially given that in the last three to four months, at the margin, you would have taken price increases only, not price decline. Is it a big annualization which was there in Q1 which has happened? Is it that in the first wave, basically all the companies had pulled back on promotions and discounts, and versus that this quarter you would have a normal promotions and discounts, and that is what is pressuring the price growth?

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Hi, Percy. Yes, this quarter, as you've seen, again, within the 12% domestic consumer growth, we have 9% underlying volume growth and 3% UPG pricing. I think last quarter, March 2021 was 5%. As I explained in my opening remarks while talking of pricing, there is a impact of promotion phasing in the base. If I adjust for that, the March quarter pricing was more like 3%, and the current quarter, June quarter, we have more like 4-ish % pricing. We have taken frequency pricing within June quarter across laundry, tea, skin cleansing, which have got impacted because of pretty high, multi-year high commodity inflation. Yes, there is frequency pricing. Pricing in June quarter is ahead of what we saw in March quarter. Optically, you see the numbers differently because what happened the base last year between March quarter and June quarter in terms of promotions.

March quarter, one of the elements Sanjiv had called out in the last quarter's call, the difference between primary and secondary, where we were not able to do [price and fills] of primary at the end of the quarter. Yes, because of those period, it was a very different level of promotions which was in the base. Equally in June quarter 2020, given the peak of COVID-19 which was there in wave one, it was a very different profile of investment that we did in TCAS. Recently now, where things have more opened up, much better managed wave two as a country, which allowed us to do our expenditure on trade promotions. Hence, overall, in summary, June quarter pricing is ahead of what we saw in March quarter, because we had to take sequential pricing in our commodity impact categories.

Percy Panthaki
Analyst, IIFL Securities

Very clear. As we go ahead into September quarter, how is the base on promotions there? September quarter last year, would you say it was a normal promotional intensity, and therefore, as we look at September quarter this year, the YoY change in the promotions would not be much, and the actual pricing growth would really reflect through. Would that be a fair assessment?

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

That's a fair assessment. September quarter, we should see normalcy levels of base comparator. It was more of a disruptive nature of what happened in June quarter last year, and also last two weeks of what happened in March quarter last year. March quarter and June quarter had the disruptive base, but from September quarter onwards, it is normalized in the base.

Percy Panthaki
Analyst, IIFL Securities

Okay. Also, would it be fair to say that the gross margin pressure on a YoY basis that you are seeing this quarter is also affected by this YoY pricing being lower because of the phasing of the promotion? As we go ahead, even the gross margin will recover as the pricing recovers.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

The key impact that we saw in our cost of goods sold, both sequential and year on year, there is an inflation. Three key commodities of crude during the same time, actually last year in June quarter, crude was at multi-year low compared to where it is now at elevated levels. Equally, we are seeing palm at multi-year highs where we are in June quarter. Tea, it remains elevated. Between all three categories put together, we have pretty high amount of commodity inflation affecting three of our large categories. Even that is an impact which we saw on gross margin as cost of goods sold has increased. Commodities are, of course, cyclical in nature. We are in the peak of the commodity. We are in also peak of the season, both for tea and for palm.

Depending upon what kind of production and inventory levels the season leaves will determine the next rounds of commodity price levels in September and December quarter. In my mind, commodities are cyclical. The way I see, we have a strength in our portfolio, and we have leadership position across our categories, and which is why we've been able to lead price increases.

Important element for us out here is to get the growth equation right and protect the business model. This is what our cornerstone of strategy has been. The point I made earlier for Foods and Refreshment, from a lower 14% in December quarter, we are at 18% segmenting margin for Foods and Refreshment. The way it happened was ensuring that we've been able to first drive savings. We continue to drive more than 8% savings to our turnover, number one. Number two, as required, we did take both calibrated and judicious pricing sequentially in the quarter. That put together, the value equation for consumers remains, we should be able to drive competitive volume growth, and then hence the virtuous circle of growth should kick in terms of driving growth and hence driving profitability.

We are very confident that what we have done for F&R is what we will end up doing across the portfolio as we are up against multi-year highs in commodity cycles. To answer your question, I wanted to address it from multiple angles.

Percy Panthaki
Analyst, IIFL Securities

Yeah. Sir, derivative of this, each year, I've been listening to your calls since several years. Each year we have reiterated that we will deliver modest EBITDA margin expansion. Obviously, last year was a exceptional year, and therefore you could not. This year, barring any third wave of COVID, would you reiterate that kind of guidance that we would deliver modest EBITDA margin expansion on a full year basis?

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Yeah, I just said that we don't give guidance of future quarters, but let me still add the point out here. Our margins today at 24.3% EBITDA is at healthy levels. One of the elements which we had called out in the last quarter as well, that we would want to ensure that we are able to protect the business model. In last 10 years, we have given 1,000 basis points expansion of our EBITDA margins. Business does have capability to drive competitive, profitable, consistent, and responsible growth, and which is what we have always spoken about our 4G growth model. Given where we are as a multi-year high elevated commodity level, we will have to be principled for a couple of quarters to manage the business model very carefully. Very carefully, so that we don't lose consumer franchise.

The cost-price value equation remains intact so that we are able to enroll continuously more consumers into our portfolio. The virtuous circle of growth as I mentioned for Foods and Refreshment is a classic example, is what we would want to keep driving in our business. We are at a healthy margin level, and we would want to maintain healthy margin levels.

Percy Panthaki
Analyst, IIFL Securities

Okay, sir. Okay, very clear. Thank you very much.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Thanks, Percy.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Avi Mehta from Macquarie. Please go ahead.

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

Hi, sir. Sir, I just wanted to follow up on the last question. You have clearly spelled out that you would like to maintain margins at this current range, is what I've heard you. Does that suggest that the gross margin inflation or the input cost inflation is what is going to weigh down on the ability to expand margins from the current level, and hence you would look at broadly doing a similar margin as the last year? Or is this commentary more for a newer next quarter perspective that you are looking at it?

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Yeah. See, the way we manage our P&L is across all the lines of the P&L.

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

Yes, sir.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

There are, of course, lines of cost inflation which is impacting cost of goods sold. Equally, we are doing, as I mentioned earlier, the overall savings agenda that we have, which is more than 8% of turnover that we do. That savings agenda is across the portfolio. Not only savings for our, the way we use our materials, the way we run our factories very efficiently, the way we drive ROI from our media investment, the way we tighten our overhead costs, as we see that in our expenses cost structure. Across all the lines of the P&L, we play our P&L to ensure that we are able to get value from every line. This is what really gives us the ability to keep maintaining healthy margins.

As I mentioned, next couple of quarters is what we have to ensure that we very sensibly manage this navigation, where we are up against multi-year highs. We've not seen these levels where three of our large categories, at the same time, we have commodity inflation which are at multi-year levels. Which is why we had mentioned the last quarter, and I repeat again, we need to manage this next couple of quarters very sensibly not to lose the volume growth competitiveness. We are taking pricing, as I mentioned to you, sequentially, to ensure that the price versus cost equation remains in a manner measured and calibrated all in service of competitive growth.

Put together, we are confident that we should be able to do what we have done, which is keep driving healthy margins in our business, but also equally important, as I mentioned, first priority, driving competitive volume growth.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Ritesh, if I may just give one more flavor, because there are a lot of questions coming in from margins. Since we also have to consider the mix. We have a fabulous portfolio, which is now being tabled under discretionary, where we have very strong market positions, and we have very healthy margins, like skin cares, color cosmetics, all this. Obviously, because of lack of mobility, these categories have been impacted, and we have still not gone back to the pre-COVID-19 levels. Just to explain to you, if June quarter 2019 was 100%, June quarter 2020 we came down to 50%, and now we have gone to 75%, but we are not yet at 100%. As mobility improves, the mix will impact, and we will have even better margins coming from these categories.

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

No, sir. Sanjiv, if I may. Sorry to belabor a point to some extent, I want to just keep this clear. What I'm trying to understand is, input cost inflation mix, is this more a yearly worry for now is what you're looking at it?

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

No. At the end of the day, that's your gross margin, right?

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

Yes.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

That's what the picture I'm telling you. This is not structural issue. This is just an issue which is linked to lack of mobility.

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

You're saying that as the mix improves, that is what we should kind of bear in mind. Okay. Hence the range comment is also in consideration of that and not kind of factoring the mix change.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Yes.

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

Perfect. My second question was, again, on the inflation aspect. Would you be able to share what is the price increase or price hikes that we've already taken through the quarter, and how much would we still need to carry out as we go forward across personal wash, tea, and laundry categories, please? That's all from my side.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

As I mentioned earlier, that in this quarter, across all the three commodity-driven categories, we have taken sequential in-quarter pricing of close to 3% across in laundry portfolio, our tea portfolio, and laundry portfolio. We will have to, of course, very clearly monitor the inflation levels across all the commodities. I mentioned for two of the three commodities, we are in thick of the season now, for palm and for tea. The kind of production we will have for these commodities will also inform us either the quality of tea which is getting produced, the volume which is getting produced, and for that matter, palm production which happens. The kind of inventory these large categories with their large commodities when they're leaving at the end of the peak seasonal production will then determine the commodity view going forward.

Commodities, as I mentioned, are cyclical in nature, and it just happens that we are multi-high across all three of them. We will have to keep in tandem our pricing actions as we keep seeing commodity inflation. If commodity inflation remains, of course, we will have to keep working as we're doing already very hard on our savings agenda. Equally, as I mentioned, lead price increases. As category leaders with strong brands and strong portfolio, we will lead pricing as required to protect the business model. Far as the consumer value equation remains good and we're able to drive competitive volume growth. Rightly I should do that, but balance that competitive volume growth with right pricing, given the kind of cyclical commodity highs that we are in this point in time.

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

Sir, as of now, we would have passed on, say, 50% of the inflation, 60% of the inflation. Any range that you could kind of give us? I understand the volatility aspect that you highlighted, but just to get a sense on where we are in that journey.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

I won't get into details of that, but more than happy for me to pick it up with Ravi offline. At this stage, I would remain with high-level comment, as I mentioned, where we are, rather than getting into specific sub-portfolio.

Avi Mehta
Analyst, Macquarie

No problem, sir. Thank you very much, sir.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Thank you for your questions.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Aditya Soman from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Aditya Soman
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Hi. Good evening. First question on rural demand, and obviously, you indicated that the impact on rural India this time around is somewhat bigger. However, for you, rural continues to lead growth. Have you seen any changes in consumer preferences, whether it's to smaller packs or spending less at single shopping trips or anything of that sort? Anything qualitative that you can add?

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Yeah. Rural has been resilient. I was mentioning earlier that as we are operating now in June and July, the overall dip that we saw from end of April and May of both rural and urban, we have now seen consumption in FMCG coming back to the levels that we saw in March quarter, in March 2021. Within that, rural has led the comeback strongly, and rural is ahead in terms of growth and trajectory compared to urban. Our portfolio in rural remains robust across all brands and our categories. We have a portfolio which straddles across the price pyramid, and our penetration packs, our access packs that we have, they continue to keep doing business and gain sequential penetration. The point I made earlier, that 80% of our business today is gaining sequential penetration over 2019, that is across urban and rural.

We have been able to gain penetration in rural, and overall, three quarters of our business is gaining market share as well. One, let me, Aditya, also mention about our premium portfolio. During this entire pandemic of wave two in June quarter, we continued to drive our premium portfolio extremely well, where the premium part of the business has grown at 2x the speed compared to the rest of the portfolio. That again remains a very strong priority for us this point in time. As I mentioned, what Sanjiv alluded earlier, we would hope to see mobility further improving as the infection levels are receding and mobility coming back, which will then further help us to drive consumption of our discretionary categories. That's the whole different way in which we look at this area. Hope it helps.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Yeah. Gentlemen, if your question you were alluding to, are we seeing significant downtrading? Are we seeing more frequent trips but smaller basket size? We are not seeing that happen. Yeah. As far as rural is concerned, this is something which we saw at the beginning of the pandemic last year. Since then, we saw the rural pick up, and rural has remained resilient. The disruptions this time are more because of either the wholesale mandis closing down or because distributor in rural area falling sick, those kind of disruptions. We have not seen any discernible shift in consumer behavior.

Aditya Soman
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Thanks, Sanjiv. I think that's very clear. I think the second question, just in terms of direct to consumer, I think you are able to premium very much faster. Now, when we think of UShop, is there a disproportionate sort of sell-through for premium on direct to consumer, or you're seeing universal growth across most of your brands from mass to premium?

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

If I talk about e-commerce channel overall, be it direct- to- consumer, including elements of eB2B, and of course, eB2C, all put together, we are seeing, as I mentioned earlier, our business today has doubled from the e-commerce channel. We've seen pretty strong growth. As assortment has increased online, consumers are leveraging that possibility of buying into that assortment. Put together, if I add our direct to consumer channels, our e-commerce, both eB2B and eB2C, and Shikhar, all three put together, we now have more than 10% of our business which is digitized in terms of sales demand capture. This very clearly opens up, in a very disruptive way, we should be able to drive demand generation. These future-ready sales platform now are more than 10% of our total sales.

Aditya Soman
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

No, fair enough. That's clear. My question was more on the premium. Are you seeing a disproportionate sell-through of premium products on these platforms, or that wouldn't be a fair comment?

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Our D2C brands, if I talk about our two premium brands, both Lakmé and Indulekha, we've seen pretty good traction on both these brands online as we approach consumers, and they like this website, the product, and we've seen good amount of growth in both of them. UShop, of course, as I mentioned earlier, UShop is something which we have across the portfolio. It is not focused only to the premium portfolio. It is across the portfolio is what we launched in UShop. The point I mentioned little earlier, overall premium portfolio has grown at twice the pace compared to the rest of the portfolio in June quarter. This is across segments, and premium is redefined with higher order benefits at 125 price index.

That portion of the portfolio is what has grown extremely well, even in such times as we saw in quarter two with COVID in the country.

Aditya Soman
Analyst, Goldman Sachs

Fair enough. Thanks for all clarification.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is on the line of Tejas Shah from Spark Capital. Please go ahead.

Tejas Shah
Analyst, Spark Capital

Hi. Thanks for the opportunity. My question also pertains to margins. Sorry for dragging this part, margins in GSK portfolio last year, we exited the year with 31.8% margin, and our guidance has been 500 basis points- 700 basis point range improvement. You just spoke about that in terms of people integration, process integration, we are almost done. You have secured a large part of the integration process on the back-end side. In terms of margin expansion, we have just managed 15% of the low range of the target. Just wanted your thoughts on the same.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

I'm not sure your question when you refer a number. Are you talking total Hindustan Unilever or are you trying to speak?

Tejas Shah
Analyst, Spark Capital

No, GSK portfolio, because you shared that number in your annual report, so I'm referring to that.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Sorry, which portfolio?

Tejas Shah
Analyst, Spark Capital

GSK portfolio, the nutrition portfolio.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

GSK, yes, one of the element that we have done pretty well with GSK is our cost synergies. We had a very clear business case, and we are, as we speak, we are ahead of the business case in terms of driving cost synergies from the portfolio. Gross synergy numbers is what we have quoted when we had spoken earlier. The clear job for us would be to ensure that we are able to invest back those synergies to drive penetration, to drive market development, and to drive consumption increases. Where we are in our journey, we are pretty much ahead in our journey of realizing cost synergies from GSK. We still have some more job to be done, and we have clear line of sight for that.

This point in time, as I mentioned, we are ahead in our synergies, and our focus is to ensure that this extra growth that we have with our cost synergies, we are able to invest it back in the business to drive penetration, to drive consumption.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Let me just clarify a bit. When we say the integration is getting completed in different phases, that does not mean that the synergies have all been realized. Yeah, we get up to realize the synergies on the manufacturing side. What we have been able to do is on the procurement side, what we've been able to do is on media buying. The CD side, it will be linked to the integration, and manufacturing is yet to be done. Yeah, so we are very well poised. We are ahead of the plan when it comes to realizing the synergies from the GSK acquisition.

Tejas Shah
Analyst, Spark Capital

Sanjiv, based on reconciling our commentary with the numbers that we have shared, should we believe that 500 basis points-700 basis point guidance itself needs to be revisited in line of what has happened last year on COVID? Or you believe that a large part of that saving is yet to show up on numbers, and what we have done is largely the back-end part of the process, and the last part of the process will come up as we go along in this journey?

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

I'll have Ravi sit with you to clarify. I hope you're not mixing the F&R margin with the GSK margin. They are two different things. Yeah. We don't [crosstalk].

Tejas Shah
Analyst, Spark Capital

No. Most accounts we have shared are GSK, our nutrition business margin separately, so I was referring to that only.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Yeah. This quarter we are not giving you any nutrition margin.

Tejas Shah
Analyst, Spark Capital

Yeah. This quarter is okay, but I was just thinking on YoY basis, we have still 80% of the journey left in terms of margin expansion in that portfolio.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

On that margin, let me assure you, we will realize what was there in the business case, and perhaps more.

Tejas Shah
Analyst, Spark Capital

Sure. Just staying with nutrition portfolio, we have done a lot of interventions in terms of distribution. We have got that business on a distribution platform that we have, which is almost 2x or 3x more size than the initial portfolio had. The growth is still very disappointing in terms of versus our overall-yeah.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

No. You have to look at it. We have never said that we have completed the distribution. The distribution integration will be completed by end of the year. It is not happened. We should also understand the premise on which the growths were built were based on market development and new innovation. Both for market development, we have not been able to do the market development activities which we had planned to do because of the disruption. I would say that as far as the GSK acquisition is concerned, it remains significantly attractive for us. We are pleased with the attraction, and we are very confident that we will achieve what we have set out to do. There may be because of the disruptions, the phasing of it, but we are confident that we'll get the rhythm back. That's also my side and all the best.

Tejas Shah
Analyst, Spark Capital

Thank you.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Shirish Pardeshi from Centrum Capital . Please go ahead.

Shirish Pardeshi
Analyst, Centrum Capital

Yeah. Hi, good evening, Sanjiv and Ritesh. Thanks for the opportunity. I have a continued question on GSK. On your comment, that you mentioned that 800 of our distributors have come formally and we have cut one layer. There is some pipeline inventory correction you did mention. Is it largely done or there is some more part which is left which can come up in the latter part of this year? That's the first question. Follow up on that, in terms of our journey when we have now cut one layer, so obviously the distribution touch point would have gone up. Are we benchmarking this distribution against any of our products, say, tea or maybe Lifebuoy may not be the right consideration, but maybe Fair & Lovely is the consideration. Is that the benchmark which we can expect down the line, maybe a year from now?

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Yes, Shirish. As I mentioned earlier that within June quarter, we completed half the job almost, where almost 50% of the go-to-market transition we have completed. Over September quarter and up to end of the year, we will complete the transition. I expect by end of September quarter, we would have done 80%-90%, and then some elements left will get done in December quarter. That's the phase at which we are progressing on GTM integration. As I mentioned, in spite of the challenges we had in the quarter of COVID-19, we still managed to do almost close to 50% of the GTM integration. That's number one. Yes, as I mentioned earlier that as part of this, as we have de-layered, we have been able to increase the direct reach. The number of outlets that we're serving directly has also gone up.

As we speak, we already have 1.4x outlets that we're directly reaching, and we intend by end of the year, as we finish the integration, we would have doubled the amount of our number of outlets that we reach directly compared to what we had in April of last year. It will also benefit from the pharma channel strength of GSK. VWash, for example, the product that we sell, as we acquired, the entire detailing of VWash was done using nutrition detailing. Those are also the benefits that we have both the way, apart from expanding the direct outlet reach, but also leveraging the pharma capability that we have in GSK. Those are the elements, Sanjiv, related to earlier in terms of, A, driving market development, and B, also then leveraging our go-to-market capability very differently in times to come.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Yes, you're absolutely right. We would be benchmarking the distribution with the relevant category. That's where our strength comes. That's what we will be leveraging.

Shirish Pardeshi
Analyst, Centrum Capital

Yeah, exactly, Sanjiv. I'm banking on and I'm with you. Just one follow-up, since you touched upon. I just wanted to understand, exactly a year before, on 1st of April 2020, we had a very long conversation and chat, the opportunity and all. When we look back, we had lost Mr. Sitapati, and now we look back, the further integration challenges. I miss your candid answer that what is it that we planned and we have delivered, and what is it that we can expect. I'm not saying we have faltered. I think the pandemic has behaved differently. I think what is it we can expect for the- other GSK nutrition portfolio?

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Let me give you a perspective. Last year, we were also disrupted because we had some factory issues. If you recall, we had shared that with you. One of our bigger factories, one was impacted severely with the COVID first wave. The second was impacted with some industrial relation problem. Now, those are behind us. What was the premise of the growth that we expected? That one, the penetration of these categories is in the 20s. The second is that the distribution of this, there is a huge runway yet to increase. The third one was bringing in innovations which are relevant and linked to all this work, bringing in purpose-driven communication. One, we have been able to get now massive insight into what propels the category growth.

The communication and all that we are now coming out with are very relevant to persuading the consumers to consume more. The second has been that pandemic has impacted two key levers of our plans. One is the CD integration, the second is market development. Had the pandemic not been there, we would have been far ahead when it comes to seeding market development and income of CD integration. These are the two things where we have been behind schedule. When it comes to margins, we are ahead of plan. Looking at the gravity of the pandemic, I'm not much perturbed with that. The premise of growth remains, and our ability to harness it, I remain very confident of that. When we look at such a big acquisition and such fabulous brands, a couple of quarters here and there should not worry you.

As businessman, I'm ensuring that the cash generation is not lower than what we had forecasted when we made the business case.

Shirish Pardeshi
Analyst, Centrum Capital

Wonderful. That's very helpful. My second and last question, it's just an observation, and I'm very hopeful that you harped on the out-of-home consumption, the offices will come back to normalcy. While doing our visits, what we found that modern trade is one of the key factor driving our discretionary portfolio. Generally, my experience in the industry suggests that the consumer tend to buy large pack on the e-commerce and also on the modern trade in a huge way, and this disruption has impacted our numbers in BPC portfolio. Do you think, or rather I'm asking your confidence or trying to borrow the confidence, that if the management is very hopeful that once this modern trade comes to a normalcy, I think we will see the kind of growth and the profitability which BPC-

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Absolutely. These are directly linked to the two things. One is mobility linked to shoppers and mobility linked to consumers. When women aren't stepping out to go to work, they aren't applying makeup the way they normally do. Once they start stepping out, going back to work, et cetera, and the entertainment starts, shopping starts, then color cosmetics and all will get back to its rhythm. You are absolutely right that the discretionary category, the market development category, lend itself much more to modern trade than to general trade.

Shirish Pardeshi
Analyst, Centrum Capital

All right. Thank you, and all the best to you. Thank you.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Thank you.

A Ravishankar
Group Controller and Head of Investor Relations, Hindustan Unilever

Given the time, we will take one more audio question, and then, Ritesh, if you can move to the next questions, please.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Sure.

Operator

Thank you. The next question from the line of Harit Kapoor from Investec. Please go ahead.

Harit Kapoor
Analyst, Investec

Yeah, good evening. I just have two questions. Firstly, wanted to get your perspective on the three categories, soaps, laundry and tea that have seen maximum inflation. These are also categories which have a large regional brand or unbranded presence. I just wanted to get a sense of how the competition, which is smaller regional brands, the regional and unbranded competition has reacted here. Have they had to take up prices much faster than you have? Is the competitive intensity in terms of media in regional markets much more than what it was because those guys are not able to have the cash to invest? Just wanted to get a perspective on that. That's my first question. The second question was on the e-commerce side. You did mention that B2B, B2C together is over 10% of your business.

It'd be very helpful if you could give a sense of what the pure B2C part is now as a percentage of sale for the company, which basically includes UShop and all the other online portals. Thank you.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Yeah. On your first question about the three categories, let me start by saying that all three categories, skin cleansing, laundry, and tea, we have had competitive growth, and we gain market share in all three of them. You're right, in terms of inflation, there's a pretty steep inflation in all three categories. We have been able to drive our growth not only across the portfolio but also premium portfolio within these categories, and we remain competitive, and we continue to gain share in these categories. Coming to your second question on the B2B, B2C. As I mentioned earlier, if I look at all the digital platforms where we do our business, Shikhar, where we are now reaching to the outlets directly, number one. Number two, of course, the B2B platforms, B2C platforms, and direct-to-consumer platforms.

All put together, the future-ready platforms, we have now more than 10% of sales, which is digitized. It'll give us more agility, ability to capture demand more smartly and also to generate demand very differently. I wouldn't at this stage get into giving split of numbers, et cetera, but yes, please do engage with Ravi offline to get some flavor of that.

Harit Kapoor
Analyst, Investec

Okay. Thanks.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Yeah. Thanks so much. Now let me move on to some share questions. If I go to a web online question, the first question is from [Pramod] from [Saxs Capital]. How are raw material prices performing compared to pre-COVID quarters, and how much of that can be transitionary in the nature given competitive scenario? As I mentioned, compared to pre-COVID levels, all the three key commodities I referred to, Pramod, the crude was at a multi-year low, for example, in June quarter. Even if you compare with pre-COVID levels, all three commodities are at elevated levels. As I mentioned, these are cyclical in nature. We need to watch out as to where this settles down in times to come, including post-lockdown. I move into a question which we have from [Karan] from [BT Capital]. In home care segment, we've seen cost inflation.

How is the cost behaving in other segments? As I mentioned that there are three different categories where we've seen heightened cost inflation, Karan. One is laundry, second is tea, and third is skin cleansing. I would say, put together, these three are the ones which have really seen elevated cost inflation among the portfolio that we sell. Moving on to a question from [Nitin] from [CLSA]. What is the mix of LUPs in our portfolio in soap and tea, and what is the quantum of price hikes undertaken to pass inflation? I mentioned this earlier that across all the three categories which have got heavily impacted with commodity, we have sequentially taken approximately 3% price inflation in quarter. As I mentioned, the mix of LUPs is there across soaps and tea.

We have a pretty strong price pyramid, and we straddle the consumer pyramid of different portfolio and price points, and we're able to do business across that. Yeah, I think that one last covers. There are questions on margins, which we have already answered, on pricing, which I've already answered. I won't repeat those conversation. With that, I don't see any further questions. Ravi, back to you.

A Ravishankar
Group Controller and Head of Investor Relations, Hindustan Unilever

Okay. Maybe we can take one more question in the audio line if there is one, and then we'll call to a close.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

Ravi.

A Ravishankar
Group Controller and Head of Investor Relations, Hindustan Unilever

Yes, Sanjiv.

Sanjiv Mehta
Chairman and Managing Director, Hindustan Unilever

If I may just take a minute to, because there have been lot of questions on margins, et cetera, is let me lay down for the benefit of all our friends here, what is the philosophy on which we work. Yeah? Over the last many years that you all have been engaging with me, we've had a fantastic rhythm of improving the margins, and we have grown. We have grown at a CAGR of 9% in the last decade, and 60%-65% of that growth has come from volume growth. Now we have reached a level of very healthy margins. Even during the period when there has been significant disruption, we have continued to invest in our brands much ahead of our market share. Yeah?

Which indicates there is a commitment from a long-term perspective to keep growing our market share and to keep ensuring that the consumers remain within our franchise. Yeah? We have been very aggressive in ensuring that we remain our competitive growth remains. When you have very healthy margins, and when you have unprecedented inflation, then you would always try to play the different levers of business in a manner that you keep growing your business, keep growing competitively, while ensuring that your business model remains intact. That's the game we have been playing. If you were to ask me what is going to be my margin, I'll tell you that I'll ensure that my business model remains intact. Don't worry, from a medium-term basis, our commitment to modest improvement in margin still remains intact. Ravi, over to you.

A Ravishankar
Group Controller and Head of Investor Relations, Hindustan Unilever

Thank you, Sanjiv. With that, we will close the session now. Before we end, I'd like to remind that the playback of this event will be available on the IR website in a short while, and you'll be able to go back and refer to it. A copy of the results and presentation, if not already with you, is on the website, and again, you can refer to that as well. With this, we'd like to draw this call to a close. Thank you for your participation, and have a great evening. Stay safe and stay well. Thank you.

Ritesh Tiwari
CFO, Hindustan Unilever

Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. On behalf of Hindustan Unilever Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.