Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to the Q3 and nine months FY 2025 earnings conference call of Pearl Global Industries Limited. This conference may contain forward-looking statements about the company, which are based on the beliefs, opinions, and expectations of the company as on date of this call. These statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties that are difficult to predict. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes. Should you need assistance during the conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star, then zero on your touch-tone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Pallab Banerjee, the Managing Director of Pearl Global Industries Limited. Thank you, and over to you, sir.
Thank you. And very good afternoon, everyone. I welcome you to our Q3 and the nine months of financial year 2025 earnings conference call. Along with me, we have our Group CFO, Mr. Sanjay Gandhi, and the Strategic Growth Advisors, our investor relations. I hope all of you have had a chance to go through our results and investor presentation uploaded on the exchange and our company website. I'm pleased to report that the growth momentum we have built in the first half of the fiscal year further carried forward in the quarter three, helping us achieve the highest consolidated quarter three and the nine months revenue, Adjusted EBITDA and the profitability. During the nine months of financial year 2025, we experienced a 28.1% increase in consolidated revenue.
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Good afternoon, everyone. I welcome you to our Q3 of nine months and the nine months of financial year 2025 earnings conference call. Along with me, we have our Group CFO, Mr. Sanjay Gandhi, and the Strategic Growth Advisors, our investor relations advisors. I hope all of you have had a chance to go through the results and investor presentation uploaded on the exchange and our company website. I'm pleased to report that the growth momentum we built in the first half of the fiscal year further carried forward in the quarter three, helping us to achieve the highest consolidated quarter three and the nine months revenue, Adjusted EBITDA and profitability. During this nine months of financial year 2025, we experienced a 28.1% increase in our consolidated revenue, driven by healthy growth in sales volume across all our geographies.
We also achieved a 25.5% increase in the Adjusted EBITDA on a consolidated basis for nine months of financial year 2025. This success showcases the strength of our leadership and the operational efficiency, reinforcing our position as a prominent global manufacturer. Our consistent growth is attributed to our ability to leverage key strengths such as multi-country footprint, diverse product lines, in-market design proficiency, and strong customer relationships. Our performance for the quarter has been largely fueled by strong volume growth from the existing customers and growing the wallet shares with the clients acquired over the last five years. Now, let me present an overview of the industry landscape and our business outlook. The textile and apparel markets are showing signs of recovery after the challenges faced in 2023 and part of 2024.
The key factors driving this rebound include improving consumer sentiment, a steady rise in the demand for casual and athleisure wear, and easing of supply chain disruptions. Although the recovery is still cautious, it points to a promising outlook for the industry. The U.S. apparel stores showed notable resilience in 2024, with estimated sales hitting $29.5 billion basis of 2024 December numbers, which is 6% higher on a year-on-year basis. We expect consumer spending to remain robust and steady throughout this year ahead. Over the past few years, the U.S. market has experienced an annual growth rate of 2%-5%, and this trend is likely to persist in the next few years. As of November 2024, the year-to-date apparel imports into the U.S. have risen by a percentage point compared to the previous year that stood at $73.9 billion.
This growth is largely fueled by an optimistic outlook of the inventory levels and the overall demand trends. Recent updates from retailers highlight reduced inventory levels, indicating consistent and stable demand in the market. The year-to-date apparel imports into the European Union have also risen by a percentage point as of November 2024, while the U.K. and Japan have experienced decline. We have started seeing an improvement in these markets, and we anticipate further improvements here. We are servicing brands and retailers from the U.K. and Japan who have strong international presence and have been growing. Our shares of business from these two countries are increasing steadily and strategically. For the European Union, as I stated earlier in earlier calls, that Bangladesh presented us a significant jump in our presence through the Inditex Group of brands.
As we expand our market presence across these regions, our order book share from U.S.-based customers versus non-U.S.-based customers is trending towards 65/35. You may recall this was 85/15 three years back. Among the non-U.S. customers, the largest segments are from the European Union, followed by Japan, Australia, and the U.K., and then finally Canada. However, since many of these customers have global store networks, our ship-to-country data may vary. Now, coming to our manufacturing centers, starting with Guatemala, we continue to attract increasing interest and inquiries from our customers as the transit time to the U.S. is just over a week. However, the overall capacity of Central America and even for us in Guatemala remains limited and is only a fraction of what we do out of Asia.
During the quarter which has gone by, we did see some impact in the region's performance as we have incurred additional costs in operations at the Guatemala facility, as we have increased our production lines to up to 12 lines now, which is operational, which further demands additional manpower, employing business heads, training costs, etc. Looking ahead, we expect a significant improvement in this Guatemala facility by next year with a cash break-even point anticipated. The two key factors driving this positive outlook are, one, appointing of an experienced professional to head this operation. Earlier, our minority partner was duplicating this role. And the second point is onboarding of a marquee customer whose production has started already. It's a year-round buy that this customer is doing with us, and we have seen significant better initial results. Now, moving on to the next country, Bangladesh.
In the initial part of last quarter, Bangladesh underwent a period of unrest, followed by a change in government and had faced a curfew shutdown. Those of you tracking the apparel export figures of Bangladesh may have noticed that it is forecasted to be anywhere between flat to last year or - 7%. Despite the political unrest that ensued in 2024 till the month of August, we continued to witness highest shipment volumes during this period from our factories and with zero delays in our deliveries. We are happy to share that their growth momentum continued in the quarter three as well. We have reported a robust performance from our Bangladesh operations, and our order book continues to be very strong. We are confident of improved performance from this region in the coming quarters as well.
Currently, all our facilities are running at optimum utilization, and we are seeing a greater willingness amongst our partner factories for even greater collaboration with us. Our European Union and U.K. customers are keen to strategically guide and support us in this growth journey. This country of Bangladesh still has advantages of lower cost, higher efficiency, productivity, availability of skilled workforce, and a well-experienced middle and lower-level management staff, along with the favorable trade agreements with important markets that are the European Union, U.K., Canada, Australia, and China. It continues to improve its logistics infrastructure. This will continue to keep them ahead of the competition from other geographies and continues to be an attractive destination for the international brands and retailers for apparel. We are actively evaluating value-attractive capacity expansion opportunities to tap on this growth opportunity that we are facing in Bangladesh.
Moving to our performance in Vietnam, we have seen strong growth from this country in this quarter as well. We are confident in maintaining this upward trajectory. We have entered into a new partnership factory, and we expect to see growth in Vietnam next year as well. We will continue to expand in this geography at a steady pace while providing exceptional service for our higher-end customers. Talking about Indonesia, Indonesia is on track to recover its performance levels following a decline over the past two years. Our new factory is now fully operational, receiving positive feedback from both existing and the new set of customers. We will steadily scale up the production lines and output over the next couple of quarters. This recovery is expected to drive a 20%+ growth in both volume and value in the coming financial year, supported by strong customer demand.
Additionally, we remain committed to serving our higher-end customers from this region as well. Talking about India, we have reported a robust performance in India, which grew by 49.5% year-on-year in quarter three, financial year 2025, and 26.1% year-on-year in the nine months of financial year 2025. Our Adjusted EBITDA margins stood at 3.7% in quarter three, financial year 2025. On the margin front in India, we still have large scope to grow significantly. We augmented our capacities in our existing facilities in metros of Gurgaon, Bangalore, and Chennai over the last 10-12 months, and we are further in the process of adding newer capacities in the tier-two cities of Muzaffarpur in Bihar as our own factory and in Bhubaneswar as a partnership factory.
Also, as highlighted in the last earnings call, the Madhya Pradesh facility will be launched once we assess the progress of these factories in the tier-two cities in the eastern part of India, Muzaffarpur and Bhubaneswar. So, from India, we already have and we foresee good order book for upcoming spring and summer season products. Historically, Q4 is generally the best quarter for Indian operations. We again foresee this year. Our goal is to first work towards achieving high single-digit EBITDA in India, and we are making significant efforts to march towards the same. In summary, all our initiatives are on track and progressing as planned. We continue to strengthen our relationship with key customers, particularly those expanding their presence in the global market. Our focus remains on consistently surpassing previous milestones in revenue, production capacity, and operational efficiencies, which will directly contribute to enhancing our profitability.
We are confident that we are on track to meet both our top-line and bottom-line forecasts for the year while staying aligned with the strategic objectives we have set for 2028, as shared with you in our earlier calls. Now, I will hand it over to Sanjay, our Group CFO, who will provide a detailed overview of the quarter three and the nine months financials of financial year 2025. Sanjay, over to you.
Thank you, Pallab. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our quarter three and nine months FY 2025 earnings call. I will now walk you through our financials and operational performance for the quarter and nine months ended 31st December 2024. Starting with our consolidated financials, we are pleased to report the highest-ever quarter three and nine months performance in terms of consolidated revenue, Adjusted EBITDA, and profitability.
In quarter three, FY 2025, our revenues reached INR 1,022.5 crore, making a substantial year-on-year increase of 45.3%. For nine months, FY 2025 revenue grew by 28.1% year-on-year to INR 3,277.2 crore. The revenue growth was driven by strong sales performance in key markets across geographies supported by robust order book and healthy growth in sales volume. Adjusted EBITDA, excluding other income, for quarter three, FY 2025 increased to INR 92.6 crore, reflecting a growth of 35.1% year-on-year. The Adjusted EBITDA margin for the quarter stood at 9.1%. We are also pleased to share that we crossed the INR 250 crore mark for consolidated Adjusted EBITDA in the nine months period. Adjusted EBITDA increased by 25.5% year-on-year to INR 291.8 crore, with an Adjusted EBITDA margin of 8.9%. This growth in EBITDA is in line with our revenue performance.
Please note that Adjusted EBITDA excludes lease expenses of INR 1.3 crore in quarter three, FY 2025, and INR 5.4 crore in nine months, FY 2025. We have witnessed certain one-time costs, such as in Guatemala, we are increasing our production lines, and in India, we are scaling up our facilities. Excluding this one-off, the growth would have been better than what is currently reported. Profit after tax for quarter three, FY 2025, grew to INR 48.2 crore, reflecting a growth of 42.6% year-on-year. For nine months, FY 2025 had increased by 38% year-on-year to INR 165.8 crore. Happy to share that Adjusted PBT and PAT has almost touched the level of financial year 2024 in the nine months period itself. If you look at PAT after minority interest, it increased by 57.4% year-on-year to INR 56.3 crore in quarter three, FY 2025, and by 45.8% year-on-year to INR 180.1 crore in nine months, FY 2025.
The PAT after minority interest margin stood at 5.5% for both quarter three and nine months FY 2025. Please note that nine months FY 2025 included exceptional gain of INR 1.4 crore, which is only down to gain of sale of non-core assets and one-time QIP expenses. We have reported a strong EPS at INR 12.52 in quarter three, FY 2025, compared to INR 8.25 in quarter three, FY 2024. For nine months, FY 2025, we have reported an EPS of INR 40.07 compared to INR 28.47 in nine months, FY 2024. Turning to our standalone financials, for quarter three, FY 2025 revenue increased to INR 235.5 crore, a robust 49.4% year-on-year increase. Revenue for nine months FY 2025 grew by 26.1% year-on-year to INR 798.7 crore. This increase in revenue reflects growth from value share expansion from existing customers.
Adjusted EBITDA, excluding other income for quarter three, FY 2025, improved to INR 8.6 crore compared to a loss of INR 0.8 crore in quarter three, FY 2024, with a margin of 3.7%. For nine months, however, Adjusted EBITDA declined by 9% to INR 26.1 crore, with a margin of 3.3%. PAT for quarter three, FY 2025 grew by 18.3% to INR 4.2 crore. For nine months, FY 2025 PAT increased substantially by 93.8% year-on-year to INR 31.7 crore. Please note that nine months FY 2025 included an exceptional gain of INR 2 crore. We have reported EPS at INR 0.93 in quarter three, FY 2025, compared to INR 0.82 in quarter three, FY 2024. For nine months FY 2025, we have reported a strong EPS of INR 7.04 compared to INR 3.77 in nine months FY 2024.
Our product portfolio and industry is heavily oriented towards summer and spring season, with quarter four expected to be the strongest quarter. India has considerable potential for growth, with capacity utilization projected to rise. We are fully prepared for these expansion opportunities. In India, as we have highlighted in our earlier call as well, we are investing INR 35 crore approximately in total capital expenditure in Bihar, with approximately INR 22 crore allocated to phase I, which will be capitalized by March-April. The facility currently operates 100 machines, and an additional 300+ machines will be operational by March-April. Our Bangladesh operations continue to demonstrate strong performance, with all our factories running at optimal utilization. With strong order book in hand, we are confident of continued improved performance of the region in the foreseeable future. We are actively evaluating value-attractive capacity expansion opportunities.
We are receiving many queries from partnerships in the region, and we are actively evaluating the opportunities. Once the diligence is completed, we will be evaluating final CapEx requirements by the end of quarter four of the early quarter one FY 2026. As communicated, we have already committed INR 21 crore for Indonesia acquisition. This incremental investment is likely to yield a gross share of 20%+ from FY 2026 onwards. In Vietnam, we have entered into long-term arrangements with existing partnership factories. This further fortifies our relationship with partner factories for a long period. Please note that such arrangements have been done to secure good capacity for long-term, and it also opens up more collaboration opportunities. For nine months FY 2025, our sales volume has reached 53.8 million pieces compared to 39.8 million pieces in the same period of FY 2024. Our average realization per piece continues to be around INR 600 per piece.
Please note average utilization is a function of product mix, customer mix. Looking ahead to the next quarter, we expect volume to rise, bringing us to a capacity utilization rate of almost 20% adjusted of SAM. By the end of this year, we expect to reach around 90 million pieces of installed capacity. By FY 2026, we anticipate this figure will rise to 105 million-110 million pieces, and by FY 2027, we expect to reach 125 million-130 million pieces. This growth trajectory positions us well to achieve our target of growing our top line to INR 6,000 crore by FY 2028, with double-digit EBITDA growth being an attainable goal. We are happy to share that our long-term credit rating has been upgraded to ICRA A stable from ICRA A- stable, whereas our short-term credit rating has been upgraded to ICRA A1 strong from ICRA A2+ .
The rating upgrade was on the back of a couple of factors, such as healthy performance in H1 FY 2025, comparable return metrics, multinational presence, and improved net-to-operating profit ratios, etc. This resulted in lower borrowing costs and easy access to new credit lines. To summarize, we have delivered a robust performance in nine months FY 2025, combined with a strong and diverse customer base as well as our broad geographical presence. We are well positioned for continued growth in the year ahead. We can now open for questions and answers. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. We will now begin with the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touch-tone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question.
Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles. The first question comes from the line of Bhavya Gandhi from Dalal & Broacha Stock Broking. Please go ahead.
Thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on a good set of numbers. I just wanted to understand what is the overall capacity utilization because you mentioned that 90 million is the installed capacity for the year. So are we peaking out at 90% capacity utilization? Because if we bake in for the fourth quarter, we are very close to 90% capacity utilization. Just wanted to understand on that. Thank you.
Thank you, Bhavya. So first of all, this capacity what we publish, we publish the existing capacity that we have as an organization on the 31st of March of the year.
Last year, when we calculated the capacity, that means all the factories that we had, what is the maximum potential capacity that we could have run those factories? That was coming out to be 83.9 million, almost 84 million pieces. And our utilization, this number of pieces that we had shipped and billed to the customers was approximately about 56 million-57 million, around that. This year, we are seeing already our order book is crossing, I think, about 74 million or numbers. So definitely, you see that utilization will become better if we are talking about the existing capacity that we had at the beginning of this particular year. But as the year continues, we continue to invest. So wherever we see there is an opportunity to add capacity or a new facility like the Bihar that is coming up.
So whatever number that we will be publishing as of 31st of March 2025 will be a significantly higher number compared to last year because our goal is to cross that number that we have already given to you by 2028 and continue our journey to be a much bigger approximately. So that's what the journey that we are in. Sanjay, you want to add something on this?
Yeah. I mean, Mr. Bhavya, you mentioned about 90 million pieces. As you said, 90 million+ pieces around 31st March 2025. Our capacity utilization will hover, as I mentioned, adjusted to SAM around 78%-80%. So there is a continuous addition of the capacity, and then there is a utilization, which is what we mentioned in our call. Yeah.
Right. Got it.
Sir, because of the lower base on a YoY basis, we've seen a big volume growth of 66%. But next year onwards, once the inventory gets rationalized when it comes to U.S. markets also, so will we still maintain a double-digit sort of volume growth here on also? I understand that we are building capacity, but from a demand perspective, if you can throw some light.
How we are creating demand is increasing the wallet share of our existing customers that we have added earlier, till date, whatever customer that we have. Wherever we see that the customer is going strong, we are definitely trying to grab more and more wallet share of that customer. At the same time, we are also finding out the new customers, who we think are the players for the future.
As we become a growing company, we look forward to the growing customers who are financially sound and have a good strong future. What we see from our understanding in terms of how they are capturing the market or how they are performing. So that exercise continues parallelly. So definitely, we are not into typically a commodity marketing, which depends on the market size, how it grows, and how it shrinks. Ours is more strategy-driven with targeting the customers across the globe.
Got it. Got it. And just one last thing. If you can just help me tally the 15 million incremental capacity, where exactly in terms of pieces are we going to add place-wise? If you can just help me understand in terms of million pieces, maybe if you can just throw some light on Bihar, Indonesia, and Vietnam, number of million pieces that we are going to add.
We have, given at a group level, the capacity which is anticipated is 105 million-110 million by end of FY 2026 and by 2027, 125 million-130 million pieces. So as far as geographical mix is concerned, it will, as I mentioned earlier, there are many opportunities which are under diligence. The main criteria is to really see how to maximize the Return on Capital Employed. If that is in Bangladesh or Vietnam or Indonesia or India, will be accordingly evaluated and implemented. As soon as we keep committing CapEx in across geography, we'll keep updating. As we mentioned that Bihar, we have done here. Indonesia, we are acquiring the stake. It will have an incremental impact, not on the capacity, but the earning growth will be there, which will be accretive to the shareholder and to the PGIL.
And so like that, we'll keep updating you on the capacity as it gets added. If I have to gather the geographical statistics, if I have to give you a little bit broader idea in terms of which geography will be bigger than the others, then yes, the maximum growth you will see is from Bangladesh, India, or India, Bangladesh, these kind of countries, followed by Vietnam and then Indonesia. So that's the kind of preference that we have.
Got it. Great, sir. And thank you and all the best. That's it from my end. I'll get back in with you. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Arnav Sakhuja from Ambit. Please go ahead.
Hi. Thanks for taking my question. So I just wanted to know, so was there any impact of the rupee depreciation for our company?
If so, how does this impact us?
So we have entire export from India. We are not importing any fabric in India. I mean, it is a very minuscule level. So the depreciation of currency will only benefit us in improving the top line and the bottom line. We have a hedging strategy, but we are taking a hedging forward cover in a very calibrated manner. And we take some 20%-30% of the order book gets hedged. The rest, because of the depreciation in the currency, is kept open, which results in a higher realization for us and hence a higher exchange gain and everything. So it is only a favorable impact as far as the rupee depreciation is concerned for us.
Okay. Thank you. And I was also noticing that we had a year-on-year fall in the gross margin. So what was the main reason for this?
Was it just the product mix or something along those lines?
So I guess you're referring to quarter number?
Yeah. Quarter. Quarter three. Yeah. Yeah.
So the gross margin is a mix of a product mix. If you see the gross margin is coming down, so is the case that the manufacturing cost also comes down. So the resulting EBITDA remains almost at the same level or it improves only. So overall, when we look at a product, I mean, it's one is the gross margin, then the gross contribution, I would say. So the gross contribution has come down. I would say the gross profit margin has risen from 56.68% to 50.50%. The gross margin, which is after the manufacturing cost, has remained the same because the manufacturing cost has come down because the product mix has changed.
The number of minutes that are required to produce that style has really come down. Hence, the lesser manufacturing cost. So we got to see the gross margin level, not at the gross contribution level when we look at the product mix and everything. But yes, it is a function of the product mix. The gross contribution, which is reflected in the gross profit margin, gets changed accordingly.
Okay. Thanks for answering my question.
Thank you. A reminder to all participants, please press star and one to ask a question. The next question comes from the line of Vignesh Iyer from Sequent Investments. Please go ahead.
So hello, sir. Thank you for the opportunity. So my first question is on the line of the expansion that we have seen from 90 million pieces to 130 million pieces.
So I wanted to know what is the total estimated CapEx that we need to incur over the period of next two to three years to reach this 130 million pieces? And does this 130 million number include the tie-up that we have done in Vietnam recently with the partners? So I wanted to know, or is it exclusively our capacity that we are going to put?
Okay. So thank you. That's a good question. So what we did is 2024 February, we presented a plan that where we will be by 2028 financial year end. Of course, this is just a snapshot of one particular period. We continue. Our aim is to grow further, definitely. But just to give a horizon, at 2028 financial year end, where we should be.
On that basis, what we saw that our capacity by that year-end should be in that range of about 130 million pieces across the globe. That's the snapshot that we had prepared. And since then, anything that we are doing, all the expansion, whether in the existing factories, also what we are doing is in terms of additional factories. Both are part of that journey itself. And the Vietnam collaboration that we have done is part of that strategy itself.
Okay. Any number? I mean, maybe you might not be able to give the number to 130 million pieces, but any number for this quarter four plus FY 2026 on the CapEx side?
For the CapEx, quarter four, we mentioned that we have already committed one CapEx of INR 35 crore. Plus, we are also I mean, I'm talking about the growth CapEx right now.
There are other CapEx also which are being incurred. We are doing CapEx for renewable energy, solar energy setup in India, about close to $1 million. That I'm not mentioning as of now. In terms of the growth CapEx, INR 35 crore is what is committed here. And then we have committed certain commitment amount with the partnership factory in Vietnam. There are CapEx under evaluation in Bangladesh. I mentioned in my commentary that by end of this quarter or early next year, first quarter, that means April or May, we should be able to crystallize the final amount of CapEx which will be committed for implementation. As I mentioned, if you look at the installation, the capacity, how it is increasing, it is expected that large part of CapEx will be committed in FY 2026, which will take us to 125 million-130 million pieces capacity.
Okay. Okay. Okay.
Just one question from my side. So I wanted to understand what is our total forex gain that we made in quarter three FY 2025 and wanted to know, is it accounted as part of adjusting the finance cost? Because if I understand it right, in other income, we have not reported the same, right?
So forex gain gets reported in other income only. It is not included in EBITDA. That's point number one. As far as the forex hedging accounting, there is a principle which follows, whereby when there is a I mean, there is a detailed accounting standard. We are following it up. So the forex gain has two legs. One, it goes in the sales figure. The second, which is not directly reportable, cannot have a direct connect with the sales realization. It goes as a part of other income.
So the gain which is coming is a part of other income only.
So what is the number? I mean, total number. I mean, because your notes to financial number five only highlight the dividend that you have received from a foreign subsidiary in other income. The other breakup was not given. So that's why.
Yeah. So there is a realized and unrealized, which is there. I think we can take it offline to really explain to you where the numbers are lying, then that can be added. But our annual report with complete notes to account has all the details, which is how much is the gain coming and where it is lying in that way. We can explain the number a little later also as a complete accounting on foreign exchange gain and foreign exchange translation as well.
Okay, sir. Okay, sir.
It will take a little time to explain all the entire accounting process. We can discuss that offline. Maybe you can reach out to us. We can surely explain that.
Sure. Sure. Thank you, sir. Yeah. That's all from my side. I'll get back in touch.
Thank you. A reminder to all participants, please press star and one to ask a question. The next question comes from the line of Saurabh Kumar from Scientific Investing. Please go ahead.
Hello, sir. Congrats for the good set of numbers, and I think a few years back, we had a four-year vision where we looked for good revenue growth rate and also the margin improvement, I think, somewhere around 12% EBITDA margin. And this year, the results are great, but we have not seen much improvement in the margin if we take that 12% number, so are we still sticking to it?
And what would lead to cover this gap and how you plan to achieve it, if you can just explain?
So thank you, Mr. Saurabh, for this question. Our plan to reach a double-digit EBITDA remains intact. We are very clearly heading in that direction where double-digit EBITDA will be there. What we have stated is that between 10% to 12% by FY 2028, and that's our target remaining there, and we are heading in that direction. Coming to the current year margin, see, there are two functions. One, we have to look at it. I'll first answer on the percentage of EBITDA. As we have mentioned that current quarter EBITDA got impacted because of the ramp-up of the operation in Guatemala and Bihar.
If we add all those one-off costs, I think we'll be coming close to slightly higher than what was reported in the last quarter, which was the year before, which is 9.74%. We should be around 9.8% kind of EBITDA. Now, the second part which I would like to just mention is that when we are looking at the growth in revenue, I think return on capital employed also becomes a very important parameter to decide on the growth, so as the absolute amount of growth of EBITDA is growing, our return on capital employed also keeps growing in that proportion. As we speak for the full year, though we have a target of having a 20%+, but the full year we have been able to sustain at 25%+ return on capital employed.
So these two criteria will play an important role while we are deciding on the revenue growth. Definitely, the EBITDA as a percentage is also a very important target for us to achieve it, 10%+ , excluding other income and foreign exchange gain. So that's what we are working towards it. However, in our decision-making, when we look at the revenue growth opportunities, the return on capital employed also plays an important role while we are looking for a business expansion. So both the metrics will play an important role in our decision-making for the growth as well as the improvement, profitability improvement going forward. In any case, even if the EBITDA as an absolute amount is increasing, our EPS and our book value keep on increasing while we keep working on it. So as and when the double-digit EBITDA kicks in, that will further improve our profitability.
Amazing, sir.
Two more questions. One on Bangladesh side. Last quarter, though, we know that Bangladesh is an integral part of our growth strategy. But you were a little kind of you needed more time to come back on the long-term plans on Bangladesh, and we continue to do well. The numbers are really good. So is it like all the issues which were there in Bangladesh, they are over, and we can expect things to be smooth from here? That is one. And second, on the U.S. side, so the last cycle inventory issues which happened, COVID was a one-time phenomenon, and maybe people were doing a lot of shopping, and companies were building inventory. So is this a typical cycle in U.S. market, or how do U.S. inventory cycles behave if you can give some idea of that from your last 10, 20 years of industry experience?
Yeah.
Thank you, Mr. Saurabh. I will take that. First of all, the Bangladesh growth strategy. Definitely, we are a strong believer in Bangladesh, as we have been speaking in all our calls. And our performance in Bangladesh over the last three quarters has been really good. And we also look forward to continuously growing this market. Yes, when we spoke about, let's say, six months back, and we were really looking into the opportunity of growth, that's the time Bangladesh was undergoing some significant changes. So there were a lot of good factories or other things, other assets. I will not say a business, but more of an asset was available, and we were almost finalizing.
But then what this turmoil taught us is that the links, because in this kind of country, where the money came from, and a lot of financial irregularities that surfaced after this change of regime, so that made us much more cautious about going for a ready asset, so our banking is done through most of the international partners. We have a local partner as well, and we go very conservative on the local in Bangladesh, and that's one of our pillars of success in Bangladesh, and despite all this turmoil and all, we have been performing very well and very secure, both from a customer point of view and from the workforce point of view, as well as financial point of view, so that's something we will continue to maintain.
So we have now changed that strategy of acquiring a ready factory rather than going in that direction, but we are going in the other direction. So what we have to make and so it slows down a bit, but I think we are solidly on target on that. So that's why Sanjay is saying that within the next three to four months, you will hear from us about our investment plans in Bangladesh and some of these facilities that we'll be adding up. Then whether it is smooth, yes, we feel that the country is doing quite well. In fact, just now, the speech where I talked about that this particular year, some people are guessing it is -7%. Some people are talking about flat. But BGMEA, their authority or authorized website, is talking about already the growth happening from $35 billion to $38 billion.
They're showing a growth. We don't know. This will all be verified. The numbers will get verified over the next weeks and months. We should be knowing, but what I'm trying to say is that this also proves that Bangladesh has a lot of things left in it, and it will continue to grow. It is still an important destination for all the international retailers. The working is becoming more and more smooth. There were a few big players who went under because a lot of financial irregularities were found by the new regime, and that affected some of the working in certain spots of Bangladesh, like Ashulia and all. Fortunately for us, none of our factories were in those areas, and where we have been working, there have been no disturbance, and working has been very, very smooth and very strong.
So that's what is about Bangladesh. The second part of your question was the U.S. inventory. I have been working in the U.S. for more than 30 years now, and the first time post-pandemic, what we saw, what happened. So normally, you know what happened with U.S. retailers. There's a heavy markdown. That market believes in heavy markdown and clearance of inventory. They never used to store the inventory. Now, this particular year of 2021-2022 was a big exception. At that point of time, the logistics time was very high. The goods shipped even from China, which normally takes only about 18 days, 19 days or 20 days, was taking as high as 75- 100 days. And so it's from other countries like India, Indonesia, Vietnam, all these places, Bangladesh.
So because of such a high lead time, the goods were not in the store, and the stores were doing extremely well because consumers were spending money. So naturally, the merchants thought that they can buy more, and they bought really aggressively at that point of time. And by the time these goods were reaching the U.S., the war had started in Ukraine, and it affected the petroleum prices, and the whole world was experiencing inflation. So that really killed the sentiment of the consumers. And that's how, by the time the goods were reaching, there were no sales that were happening in the stores. So that resulted in a lot of inventory, which they didn't go for a clearance.
They stored those inventory for one full year or one and a half years at U.S. and various locations, and also the goods which were yet to ship from the factories and the vendors, they were held at the vendors. So that's how this whole inventory situation got created in the first place in that year, which got, I think, now fortunately cleared. And I don't see this will be such an exceptional, I would say, event that I saw in 30 years. I don't think it will be happening so soon again. Does that answer both of your questions?
Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for such a detailed and candid reply, sir, and wish you all the best.
Thank you.
Thank you. A reminder to all participants, please press star and one to ask a question. The next question comes from the line of Kunal Bhatia from Dalal & Broacha.
Please go ahead.
Oh, yes, sir. Thanks for the opportunity and congratulations on a very good set of numbers. Sir, I just had one question in regards to the previous participants. What was the volume growth in case of Bangladesh this time? And how much of it would you consider it as a one-off because of the unrest? And what is a more sustainable volume growth in case of Bangladesh we could do?
So Bangladesh, as a country, I was saying that the numbers are getting published from January to December. You see, Bangladesh, we all knew were in the $45 billion mark till the year before last. And then, interestingly, what happened was in Bangladesh, the bank said, "Where is this $45 billion? We didn't receive the money." If the country has exported that much of goods, then that much of money would have come in.
That's how all these things started happening in Bangladesh. And now that number got revised, that means the incoming of the money was set at $35 billion in 2023, officially by Bangladesh authorities. This year, if you go to their website, if you go to the BGMEA.com, you'll see that number they're publishing is $38 billion. That means they are claiming that the overall number of the country has grown despite this turmoil that has happened, political turmoil that we have seen in Bangladesh. In regards to Pearl, what we are seeing is we have grown significantly. If I look at the numbers, it will be high thirties that we are growing. That's because of the two factors. One, as a foreign player, we are very well-disciplined and well-organized out there and run very professionally.
The second part is that there were some of these big players, really big players, the biggest of the players in Bangladesh, who had financial irregularities and had to shut down their operations or significantly went down. The customers, mainly the European customers who get the GSP benefit, they had a choice either to move out the business from Bangladesh and take to other countries. Which are the other countries? If they go to Cambodia, they get the same GSP benefit. That means 10% duty when they get goods land in the European countries or U.K. countries. Whereas if they come to countries like India or Vietnam, they pay an extra duty of 10%. Naturally, their choice was to place the business with some other vendor, which is a much more stable vendor. And that's where people like us got the benefit.
Similarly, not only us, there are other benefits. Peers also have grown significantly this year in Bangladesh. That's what has happened. Yes, in a nutshell, our business has been up more than 30+ and high thirties, I would say.
Sir, this would be more volume-driven, right?
Volume, yeah, of course. Volume means number and dollars' worth. Yeah.
Sir, how much of this do you expect to continue? Meaning, come next year, do you believe that there is a higher proportion of one-offs in this quarter, or do you believe now this is the new normal?
That is something like our overall strategy, as I just mentioned earlier. We are talking of wallet share with the existing customers, and also we are inputting newer customers and then aggressively growing with them.
By virtue of our design strength, we have a strong design presence in countries like Spain and Europe and the U.K. So we are definitely capitalizing on that. So because of this, we will be also adding new customers and growing the wallet share of the existing customers. So that is independent of what is happening in the country or what is happening as a, what do you call, macro factor in those regions. So we definitely are putting all our strategies in place to have that growth.
Okay. Perfect.
We will continue to have a growth. It may not be this kind of significant jump, but there will be continuous growth. So that, if you remember, always we say that all our strategies have been built on a cumulative growth of at least the top line should be growing at the rate of 15% or plus.
True. True.
Right. And thank you so much for this, sir. And how much would be the nine months growth for Bangladesh?
You're referring to Pearl numbers?
Yeah. Pearl. Pearl. Pearl. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So this is what Pearl mentioned in higher thirties. That's where the volume growth comes in here.
Okay. Okay. Fine. Thank you.
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Saurabh Dhole from True Beacon Investment Advisors. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Thank you so much for the call and congratulations. I just have one question. I think when you talk about CapEx, you also included some or other earmarked some funds for acquisitions. So I just want to know what characteristics do you typically acquire for? Is it like client relationships or are there any specific manufacturing capabilities that you are looking to add to your portfolio?
Yeah.
So you see, when we talk about acquisition, so we are not talking of acquiring a business so far. That is something we are not actively looking at. We have the customer relationship or we have the ability to acquire new customers, and that we have proven in the last three years repeatedly. So that's something is not the priority. But yes, if something very attractive comes in, for example, one of the areas, I always talk about the four supply chain areas of the globe. One of them is the Mediterranean region where we don't have. If I get a good attractive business proposition, then we may look into that.
But apart from that, most common acquisition that we were looking at or we're still looking at is a good facility, a good factory, or a good setup, but not as a business, but more as an asset, more as an infrastructure. So that's how we have been thinking and we have been working upon.
Great. And also, when you talk about your FY 2027 aspirations, they're going close to 130 million pieces. To what extent are you also factoring in an inorganic addition to the facilities in this particular capacity addition?
So this is the normal strategy that we are talking about, 15% growth of our acquiring new customers, growing with our wallet shares of existing customers, and in the geographical regions that we are.
Okay. So there is no inorganic opportunity comes in?
Yeah. If inorganic opportunity comes in, that will be addition.
That will be addition. Okay.
Thank you so much.
Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Pulkit Singhal from Dalmus Capital Management. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hi. Thank you for the opportunity and congrats on a good set of numbers. First question was on Bangladesh itself. I mean, you mentioned that there is a kind of activity created for good suppliers in the country. What is your strategy to increase capacity therefore? I mean, because is it going to be more linear? But what could be the growth rate in our capacity there to cater to this opportunity? Because I thought this would be created more near-term, and therefore one would have to act more immediately.
Yeah. So thank you for the detailed question. This is definitely one level deeper.
So as you know, we work on both models in a country like Bangladesh, where we have our own facility and partnership facilities. So in the short term, definitely, we are not losing any opportunity. We are capitalizing on the partnership facilities that are available to us. In fact, as this turmoil happened and as these financial irregularities come out more and more, the skeletons in the cupboard, I would say. So naturally, a lot of these partners that we work with, where we book our capacities, they were more secured with us. And over time, as they got to know that this is a better safe haven, a safe player to bet on, so they have been giving us more and more capacities and attractive rates. So that's something we could capitalize in the short run.
And in the long run, definitely, what happens is we take the business, like certain European brands who are also in problems. So they are more flexible at this point of time. They're partnering. But at the same time, they're taking promises from us that we will build the infrastructure for having this business long-term with us. So that's how it goes hand in hand. So we get the assurance, we get the business, and then we can invest. That's the luxury that we had in this case.
So are there contracts in place that allow you to kind of build factories and do it more linearly over the next three, four years? I mean, is that something or just a verbal commitment? From the customers?
Yes. So customer, basically, see, it's depending on the relationship. Normally, a customer very rarely would give a written contract.
But once we are in terms of strategically giving them the benefits or understanding their need and servicing it, that commitment starts coming in. Not a legal contract, but more of the relationship contract that we continue to get. So the forecast for the next three years is available to us. The kind of programs that will be coming is available to us. So those are the things on the basis of which we can take this call much more securely.
Understood. And secondly, I mean, on the capacity front, you're talking about 125 million-130 million in two years. From a 90 million base, that translates to almost a 40% kind of growth over two years in terms of capacity, 40%+ . Is that the kind of growth rate you are expecting for the business as well so that the utilization remains at the same level?
Yeah.
So the only difference, only point that I will point out here is 2028 is our not end goal. So 2028, 31st of March, we would have a runway with us of a capacity of 135 million. So that 135 million will be encashed on the next few years. Because what we did was we are skipping that assumption. Whatever capacity that we have in hand, we'll continue to use about 80%, which is currently what we see is a healthy balance that we are seeing repeatedly. So we are focusing on that number basis. And also, the second part of this capacity is that majority will be our own and some would be the partnership.
Right. Right. Got it. Good. Thank you. And all the best.
Thank you. Thank you.
The next question comes from the line of Bhavya Gandhi from Dalal & Broacha Stock Broking. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Thanks for the opportunity. So I just wanted to understand why are we not going all in for partnership model because it's asset light also and it's ROC accretive also. So just to scale, because we see immense demand coming in from a couple of other countries, plus from the existing players as well. So just to fast track, why are we not going for a partnership model throughout? Are there any loopholes or maybe I'm missing out something on partnership front?
Yes. So see, partnership, as we had stated earlier also, we would like to keep about 15% approximately and can jump up in the short run, maybe 25% as well. That's the kind of opportunistic approach that we want to keep. We are in a business of manufacturing on our own mostly.
Whatever the partnership also, what we are doing, we are completely responsible for those factories, their compliances, their manufacturing. It is just not subcontracting or just not sourcing. So that's a different business model that other businesses may have, but not us. As a result, the kind of customer base that we are working with, 80% of our customer base also wants to see that complete ownership amongst us. So both these things go hand in hand. So that's the place. Those are the customers who pay the premium or relative premium, I would say, in the market where we can maintain our margins.
Got it. I just want to say one thing on the European and the Japanese market. You mentioned that. I mean, it's not seeing any healthy growth on the market per se, overall market.
So what is the USP that we are able to increase our market share? Because there might be some existing suppliers also in the market who are supplying to them. In fact, the market is not growing, and we are increasing the penetration wallet shares. So what is allowing us any USP or anything on that front?
Yes. I can talk a little bit more about that. See, Japan, there are two big companies I think most of us know about. One is Uniqlo, and the other one is Muji. Now, these are the brands which have grown significantly in the international market. So Japan is their primary market, but they have a significant presence all over Asia and also in the West, both in Europe as well as the U.S. Now, these are the companies that have been growing significantly.
Of course, Uniqlo today is a very large company, more than $24 billion-$25 billion. They have already gone into the top line. And Muji is the other one which is growing very fast. So these are the kind of customers that if we are talking about, so then naturally, our growth would be much bigger or faster than the Japan market as a whole, how it is growing as only Japan. The second challenge is that it's not easy to service Japan because of their quality norms. Now, these are the brands which look after almost zero defect. Whereas the Western countries, they have a statistical method of taking the quality inspection and doing the quality inspection. Whereas this country, like Japanese brands and all, so they are completely on zero defect.
So that also is one of the reasons that despite the treaty that we have from India and Japan, still, India doesn't export too much of garments to Japan. So anyway, we have focused on that, and that's where a significant growth has come in. And this particular brand is we are approaching almost good growth. We will be walking towards at least 50 million over the next one or two years. So that's the path that we had chosen. And the U.K. market also, similarly, there are brands like Primark or Next and all, which are international brands. They don't sell only in the U.K., but all over Europe. And Primark has gone into the U.S. as well.
So our association with those brands definitely allows us to continue to grow as they grow and also as we grow from one or two categories to all the seven categories that we are supplying to them or more and more categories we want to bring under the umbrella and more countries. So that's why strategically we are working with this kind of customers who are having international presence. So if you look at our customer profile, most of the customers you'll find have international presence.
Got it. Fair enough. Thanks for the elaborate answer. Just one more thing on the Indian operations. I mean, if you look at our peers, they are not facing any struggle in terms of the EBITDA margin, especially when the demand is shifting from other geographies. So I understand.
I mean, just wanted to understand on a broader level, is it because of the product mix that we are struggling, or is it something else that we need to do to get the Indian operations right? I understand on the consolidated level, things are doing I mean, we're doing better, but India per se operations, if you can explain something on that.
I'll be transparent on that also. Sorry, Moderator. Because see, there's more of a legacy. When we came on board in Pearl, and we have been doing the strategy and the growth expansions and everything, India had the legacy of doing mainly the blouses, tops, skirts and blouses kind of segment for Pearl in India. So that particular one is more of a seasonal business. So Q3, Q4 becomes very big, and Q1, Q2 are slow.
Some Australian customers, like our Southern Hemisphere customer, come in in those seasons. But still, its volume is not in comparison to the Western market. To do that, as we have said in other calls also, we are expanding in other categories in India, building up those kind of manufacturing lines and marketing. Most of the customers that we are working with also knew that Pearl India does only blouse. As we are acquiring the new customers and newer products, so that's one strategy that we have worked upon. The second strategy that we have worked upon is that our factories were limited to only in the metropolitan cities like Gurgaon, Bangalore, and Chennai. Diversifying into other locations like the tier two, tier three cities of Muzaffarpur or Bhubaneswar, and then buying a land in Pithampur near Indore.
So those are the strategies that we are working upon so that our cost also can be mitigated.
Got it. Fair enough. Thank you so much.
Yeah. Now, as I'm talking, I can also say that the legacy was that our factories were quite small. So definitely, the scale was not kicking in in India. So that also, now, I think some of you have visited some of our factories. Now, we have scaled it up to 1,000-1,200. Because that's a sweet spot where we find that under one roof, if we have 1,000-1,200 machines in India, that I think is the best. So those are things that strategically we have been doing these things. So that's why we are saying that we need maybe another three or four quarters to get to that level of double-digit EBITDA from this region also.
So we are working on that part.
Great. All the best to the team. Yeah. That's it from mine. Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Ladies and gentlemen, that brings us to the end of the question and answer session. I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for the closing comments.
Yes. Thank you very much. In case of any further queries, kindly reach out to us or Strategic Growth Advisors or investor relations advisor. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of Pearl Global Industries Limited, that concludes this conference. You may now disconnect your lines.