Namaste, and good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Sanjay Kapoor, and I'm the General Manager of Performance Planning and Review department of the bank. On the occasion of the declaration of the Q2 FY23 results of the bank, it gives me immense pleasure to welcome the analysts, investors, and our colleagues in person after a gap of nearly three years. I also extend a warm welcome to the analysts, investors, and colleagues who have joined this presentation through our live webcast. We have with us on the stage our chairman, Shri Dinesh Khara at the center. Our Managing Director, International Banking and Global Markets and Technology, Shri C.S. Setty. Our Managing Director, Corporate Banking and Subsidiaries, Shri Swaminathan J. Our Managing Director, Risk, Compliance, and SARG, Shri Ashwini Kumar Tewari.
Our Managing Director, Retail Business and Operations, Shri Alok Kumar Choudhary. Our Deputy Managing Director Finance, Shrimati Saloni Narayan. Our deputy managing directors heading various verticals and managing directors of our subsidiaries are seated in the first row and second row of this hall. We are also joined by chief general managers of different verticals and business groups. To carry forward the proceedings, I request our chairman, sir, to give a brief summary of the bank's Q2 FY23 performance and the strategic initiatives undertaken. We shall thereafter straightaway go to the questions and answers session.
However, before I hand over to chairman, sir, I would like to read out the safe harbor statement. Certain statements in these slides are forward-looking statements. These statements are based on management's current expectations and are subject to uncertainty and changes in circumstances.
Actual outcomes may differ materially from those included in these statements due to a variety of factors. Thank you. Now I would request, Chairman, sir, to make his opening remarks. Chairman, sir, please.
Thank you. Good afternoon, friends. Thank you for joining this analyst meet, post-announcement of the Q2 results of financial year 2023. It's actually a pleasure to see all of you in person after a gap of almost three years. I must compliment my finance team for opening this face-to-face interaction, which all of us have been missing in the last three years. A warm welcome to all of you, including those who are connected virtually. We hope you and your family are in best of the health. Global economic activity is experiencing a broad-based and sharper-than-expected slowdown, with inflation being higher in developed economies as compared to EMEs. This phenomenon is perhaps seen for the first time. The cost of living crisis, tightening financial conditions in most regions, Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and the lingering COVID-19 pandemic all weigh very heavy on the outlook.
However, in such uncertain and fragile global economic environment, the Indian economy has showed resilience. Indicators of aggregate demand indicate that the onset of the festive season and the pent-up demand kept growth impulse very strong. Several high-frequency indicators remain upbeat. The withdrawal of the southwest monsoon has aided travel, hospitality, and consumption sector too. Electricity generation has picked up in September. Rural demand also has shown very healthy sign. We have seen that the two-wheeler and the three-wheelers and the motorcycles have shown a very encouraging trend. This is actually a reflection of the rural economy. Domestic tractor sales have also picked up sharply to an 11-month high in the month of September. Credit growth in the banking system has continued to grow in double digits in this financial year, as against single-digit growth which we witnessed in the last year.
With economic activity gaining momentum, there will be an optimistic outlook for the demand conditions, and we expect credit growth to continue in the near term. At State Bank of India, our long-term strategy has been to build sufficient resilience in our balance sheet so as to absorb the volatilities caused by such external events. As a result, we have not only been able to ride through these difficult times, but we have been able to post consistently improving outcomes in various profitability and asset quality parameters. I'm pleased to announce that during this quarter, we have posted the highest ever quarterly profit of INR 13,265 crore. Our business growth numbers are good, and in terms of asset quality, our net NPA has dropped well below 1%. Let me now give some color on the bank's numbers for the quarter.
The net profit for the quarter increased almost 74% YOY to INR 13,265 crores, while the operating profit at INR 21,120 crore increased by almost about 17%. ROA of the bank for the half year period improved by 15 basis points on YOY basis to 0.76%, though this quarter ROA stands at 1.04%. ROE improved by 291 basis points on YOY basis to 16.08%. Most other core profitability metrics have also improved over previous year as well as sequentially. Net interest income increased by almost 13% YOY on the back of the improved credit offtake in all segments and continuous improvement in asset quality. Domestic NIM also improved by almost five basis points YOY and 32 basis points sequentially.
Actually, on YOY basis also, we had some one-time one-offs which were there last year around the same quarter. If we ignore that, then we have actually grown well in this quarter on a YOY basis too, as far as NIM is concerned. Fee income grew by almost 10% YOY. Our cost to asset continues to remain among the lowest in the industry, reflecting our efforts to build long-term cost efficiencies. On the business front, the credit growth has continued to trend upward as the bank posted a YOY growth of almost 20%, with growth coming from all the segments. Corporate advances grew by 21%+ on a YOY basis, with bulk of the growth coming from large corporates.
Personal retail also witnessed a decent growth of 19% on a YOY basis, with home loan book growing almost at about 15% and other personal loan growing at almost 25%. SME and agri- segment advances also posted double-digit growth at 11% and 13.24% YOY respectively. Domestic deposit grew by 9.16% YOY, driven by the growth in savings bank deposit and the term deposits. Our foreign offices have continued to perform well with good growth in advances as well as deposit. Advances portfolio at foreign offices in rupee term grew by almost 30%, while in dollar terms it has grown at 18%. The growth is coming from local lending, trade finance, as well as India-linked loans. Sector-wise growth has come mainly in OMC, banking and financial services, and IT services.
Deposits at foreign offices grew at almost 35%. Coming to asset quality, we continue to post improving outcomes. Our net NPA ratio has come down below 1% mark and stands at 0.80% only as at the end of Q2 of the financial year 2023, with a YOY decline of 72 basis point. Gross NPA ratio at 3.52% is down by 138 basis point. Slippage ratio for the quarter stands at 0.33% and is lower by 33 basis point on a YOY basis. Consistently improving asset quality is also reflected in our credit cost, which stands at 28 basis point for the quarter and is down by 15 basis point YOY.
On the restructuring front, as at the end of Q2 of the financial year 2023, our total exposure on the COVID resolution plan one and two stands at INR 27,336 crore. The restructure book has behaved well, with 9% of the current exposure falling under SMA I and SMA II category. We are holding sufficient additional provision against the restructured accounts. Capital also, I would say, is fairly okay, and we expect that our internal accruals will be adequate to take care of the normal business growth requirements. Our capital adequacy ratio, without adding the profit for the current half year, is at 13.51%, and the CET1 ratio at 9.53% are well above the regulatory requirement. Digital continues to be an important acquisition engine for the bank across assets as well as liability product.
During the quarter, we have sourced 62% of the savings accounts and 45% of the retail asset accounts digitally through YONO. Our subsidiaries have also consistently performed well and continue to create significant value for all the stakeholders and most importantly for the customers. Most of our subsidiaries are leader in their respective segment, and we will continue to nurture these subsidiaries and see them creating value for their own shareholders as well as the shareholders of State Bank of India. Now, before I conclude, I thank you all for your continuous support to the bank. We are proud to be part of SBI and consider it a privilege to be able to contribute towards the growth of our economy and the bank. We remain committed to reward your trust in us with superior and sustainable returns over the long term.
I wish everyone here a very good health and a very happy weekend. The floor is now open for questions from all of you. Thank you.
Thank you, Chairman, sir, for the presentation. We now request questions from the audience. For the benefit of all, we request you to kindly mention your name and company before posing the questions. To accommodate all the questions, we request you to restrict your questions to maximum two at a time. Also, kindly restrict your questions to the quarterly results only and no questions about specific accounts, please. In case you have additional questions, the same can be asked at the end. We now proceed with the question and answer session. The first question is.
Mahrukh.
Mahrukh.
Hello, sir. Congratulations on a very, very strong set of numbers. My first question is on margins. You've done very well on all core margin expansion. Given that there's a bit of MCLR repricing still left. There's also EBLR repricing which is not fully captured in. Is it fair to assume that at least for the next two quarters, you will continue to see margin expansion? The quantum can be different, but.
I normally follow a golden principle, underpromise and overdeliver. On that particular count, I will say that I will still underpromise, that we'll try to keep the NIM at this level, though we might give you better results quarter on quarter.
Okay, sir. A related question to that was on deposit growth, that obviously you have a lot of liquidity. Your CD ratio domestic is the lowest, right? 63%. Will we continue to see flattish deposit growth? I mean, till what level should the domestic CD ratio rise before your deposit growth accelerates?
Actually, we look at deposit as a franchise, and that is one of the reasons why during the period when there was not enough credit growth, we never stopped our deposit gathering engine. That resulted into a situation where we had deployed the money into the treasury. Today, while we talk, we have got almost about INR 3.5 trillion-plus money which is lying in that, in the treasury instrument, which we expect to redeem during the current financial year itself. You can very well expect that kind of a growth can be there in the deposit to support the advances growth, which we expect to see in the remaining part of the year.
Also, having said that deposit is a franchise, you would have observed that, in the last quarter or so, we have also increased our deposit rates because we don't want to be unfair with our depositors either.
Okay, sir. Just one last question. If you could give some sense on what quarterly increments you can expect in your wage bill for the new wage revision. It'll start mostly from next quarter, right? What would be your assumption?
Yeah, I have got those numbers. I expected this question from the analyst community, so that's why I've kept those numbers also ready with me, and I'll just share those numbers with you. Just one sec. Give me a minute. Yeah, if at all, the monthly ad hoc provisions, we assume that it will be required to provide for about 36 months. The estimated increase in wages, if at all, it is 10%. In that event, we expect about INR 477 crore. That is a kind of a number which we expect. If at all 12%, it is about INR 580 crores. Much of it will depend upon what is the current demand and where we finally start providing for it.
477 for?
Per month.
Per month.
Per month.
Okay, sir. Thank you so much.
Hello.
My compliments to you, sir, for the fantastic performance. In fact, one of the best performance in the recent times and highest profitability in the bank, and bank has done well on almost every parameter. Sir, having said that, now the question comes for sustainability. Because this quarter was an exceptionally good quarter, and some of the other banks also, but of course you have exceeded. On sustainability, what Mahrukh's question was also there, that in the coming quarters now, number one is the ROA. Of course, we have crossed now 1.04%. It was a demand for a long time people were expecting. Secondly, on all other parameters like cost to income and other ratios and the future growth in the credit books, and also on the treasury front.
Like last time, I think in to answer one of my question, you had said that we are cushioned for 7.45 on the treasury front. Here onwards now, since we have already come to that level and we expect another 50-60 basis points now going further, looking at the Fed increase of 75 basis points. On all the fronts, like on the treasury fronts, on the credit front, on the recovery front, returns, profitability, where do you see now, at least in the coming two quarters, how do we expect to end FY23, sir?
See, when it comes to the treasury front, though this quarter we had an opportunity, we could have booked MTM gain, but we consciously thought that we will not book it. We have kept it as a reserve for the rainy day. Maybe at some later date, if at all there would be requirement, we can tap it. This is what our intention was. Having said that, I would also like to mention that how the global interest rates will move and how the interest rates will move over here in the country will also be a function of the fiscal.
That is something which I expect that, the kind of robust GST collections which you have seen till now in the current year and going forward, I expect that, those kind of things will probably ease out the burden of, the government raising, the borrowings from the system. If at all it so happen, then perhaps, you know, the pressure will not be there as much for the G-Sec. That's how I read the situation, but much of it will depend upon how the things, situations unwind over the period of time. The other question relating to the sustainability of this kind of a growth. Well, of course, we all are cognizant of the fact that the growth which you have seen in this quarter is a growth of the busy season.
Generally, even post the busy season, the kind of growth which you are witnessing even now is in the range of about 14%-16%. My reasonable expectation is that there have come up some of the contributing factors which I must articulate. The retail engine has grown all this while without any challenge, almost about 16% kind of a growth which we have registered in the retail segment, quarter-on-quarter basis on a three-year CAGR basis also. Corporate, we have witnessed a decent trend, and this trend is essentially attributed to the fact that we have seen improvement in the working capital utilization. Almost it has improved by to the extent of about 4% as compared to the last YOY number. The other important component which we have seen is we have seen the term loan sanction and the availment.
We still have got a reasonably decent pipeline, which is as high as about INR 3.7 trillion of the loans either already sanctioned or the proposals under process. That is something which gives me some kind of a confidence that 14%-16% seems achievable. Last but not the least, corporates earlier were borrowing from the international market. Today, the international market rates plus the hedging cost is actually expensive proposition. That is also another factor which has led to a scenario where corporates have started looking at the Indian banking system for borrowing. I think these are some of the factors which gives me some kind of a confidence that we can perhaps book 14%-16% of the credit growth.
Having said that, I would like to caveat it by the fact that the growth in the banking system is a function of the real economy. Though in the normal circumstances, we expect that the economy should continue to do well. When we look around the globe, all of them are looking at India as one of the bright spots. I think, in view of that, my reasonable expectation is that we should have a reasonable, decent growth in the economy, and which will offer us opportunities for the credit growth too.
Sir, now coming on that international only, there are two things. One is that our investment, we are the largest Indian bank having maximum branches and investment outside. Now, there is a practice of marking 100% mark to market in the international book. Since our investment is the largest there, how much pressure do you see is left to be like because interest rates are hardening up there also with another 75 basis points and still it's not stopping. Something must have been already provided in this quarter. Going forward, what kind of in numbers or some idea if you can get on that? This is number one. Second, on international book, again, there is plenty of
I mean, the book is growing very fast because of the interest rate divergence, and we are getting higher margin, and the cost of operations is much lesser, maybe 20 basis or 15. So net, we are gaining there. So what are your comments on that and plans for the future on the international book?
See, when it comes to international book, of course, our assets are generally, if we look at their average maturity, it would be much lesser as compared to what we normally get to see over here. That is one part. The second component is, when it comes to our NIMs, of course, they have improved. Our book is actually split into the local lending, which is almost about 33%. India-linked loans are about 35%, and the trade finance is almost 30%. Local lending, which we are doing, it is essentially syndicated loans which we do. When it comes to geographies, we are essentially into USA, U.K., and also into Singapore and Hong Kong. These are the major geographies where we are present.
I think on that particular count we are very closely reviewing this book, though as I mentioned, in rupee terms it has grown about 30%, but in terms of dollar terms it is at 18%. I think we are quite cognizant of what the realities are. One thing is, I think ECBs perhaps may not really pick up as much going forward. That's the other sense which I have for the international book. Deposits we are in a position to raise in the local markets depending upon our local requirements. That's how this international book is.
One question on NARCL. Now you see our gross NPA is still, I think, 3.52%. How much are we still expecting the same kind with which we started? You know, that time I had calculated that almost about 25 basis points our gross NPA will come down if all those accounts which are identified goes to NARCL. What is the difference now? First of all, they were yet to start, but now started, it seems. But they are going slow on that, I think, INR 2 lakh crore initial amount and that. What is it? Can you give the color on the total NARCL number of accounts this quarter and this FY 2023, how much we are going to pass on at least to bring down the gross NPA? I mean, how much loan we are servicing.
Actually, when we started and now, there is a lapse of time, and during that period. From the system also, all kind of options were explored, including the options of OTS and compromises, all kind of options were explored. By the system as a whole, that number also came down. Having said that, now NARCL has started performing and as far as I believe there are about around more than 40 accounts are there which are under resolution with NARCL, and we expect that it will, I mean, the way they are really addressing, I hope to see better results there. Nevertheless, I think the banking system as a whole is open for all kind of other options as well.
The plus is that with the NARCL coming in, a very important component of the ecosystem has got strengthened, and also it has helped in the resolution through various other channels also. I think overall, what will be the impact, we'll have to probably wait and watch. As far as we are concerned, I think about 14 such accounts-
14 offers have been made.
14 offers have been made.
Amount?
Amount I don't know.
Outstanding amount.
We'll give you the amount.
No, no, it's okay. Thank you very much, sir. I will come back if time permits.
Thank you. Thank you.
Hello. Hello, sir. My name is Manish Ostwal from Nirmal Bang Securities. My question from 4 May 2022, the policy rates has moved by 190 basis points and, on lending side, mostly the rates have been passed on, but the deposit side rates are passing on is very gradual. When do you see the deposit rates, see the reflection of the policy move?
Well, as far as the rates are concerned, I think each of the bank is actually looking at the rates from their own perspective in terms of how their liability is stacked up and how things are with them. I think and also what kind of a growth they are seeing as far as the asset book is concerned. As far as the retail TD rates are concerned, we are very closely monitoring how things are and what is our ALM requirement. Based on that, we are also calibrating our interest rates. Your question that in how much time will the transmission happen, I think perhaps we'll have to wait and watch because as I mentioned that there are multiple factors which will be at work in the transmission of the policy rates.
How much we have raised till now from 4 May?
From 4 May, we will give you that number.
We will give.
We'll give that number.
The second point, sir, from the credit cost and the slippage and ROE and ROA 10-year high and the credit growth also nine-year high. In terms of certain numbers like credit cost and the slippage number is extraordinarily low for the bank. Can we sustain these numbers or what is your comment? I know you underpromise and overdeliver, but what is your sense on these numbers?
Our effort will be to keep it as low as they are currently. Yes, of course, it's a function of the real economy too. How the real economy pans out, we'll have to wait and watch for the actual numbers.
Thank you.
Thank you. Next question from...
Hi, sir, this is Saurabh from JP Morgan.
Coming to the retail deposit. The hike in the retail deposit rates, we have raised the rates four times after 4 of May, and it has been as high as 80 basis points in the one to two-year segment.
Hi, sir. This is Saurabh from JP Morgan. Sir, just two questions. One is your net slippage is negative this quarter. Can you at least what will your expectation at least in the near term we can continue with these kind of levels or this is exceptional what we are seeing right now? Second, there's an increase in your SMA one book. SMA two is still flat. What could be explaining that?
Well, SMA loan book, of course, we have seen the number is slightly above where it was in June. We had one particular large corporate account where we had seen it got slipped into SMA, but that we could pull back immediately. I think SMA is a phenomenon which is on a particular day. It's a number which keeps on changing. Even in the retail also we have pulled back some of the SMAs also. I think not as much of a worry. The other question is whether slippages will be around this number. I think as of now, as I mentioned, it's again a function of the real economy. As of now, we don't envisage any challenge.
Whatever challenges we're seeing in the book, we have already provided for it. If at all there are some one-offs at a point of time, we really cannot predict that kind of a scenario. We'll have to be in readiness for any kind of eventuality. I think we have built up enough cushion in the balance sheet to really address any such challenge which comes up.
That's it.
Yeah, please. Yeah.
Yeah. Hi, sir. This is Jai Mundhra from B&K Securities. Sir, your CET1 now stands at around 9.5%. If you can elaborate if you want to raise capital because growth that we are seeing is also pretty decent. Your thoughts on capital.
See, as far as our plan of action is concerned, we were to raise INR 81 and INR 82, which we raised at the most competitive rates. Also the other plan of action is that, last year also, we plowed back a decent amount of profit, and we intend to do a similar plowback in the current year too. At this number, we will have I mean, reasonably decent number to claw back as well. With that, we will have sufficient capital to support the growth. Even at this number also, the kind of growth that you are visualizing, we're in a position to support it.
No, sir. No doubt that you are well above the regulatory threshold, and this is sufficient enough to chase growth. It looks like that within all, even PSU, PS and large private, you know, SBI has the least amount of CET1.
No, we'll raise at the appropriate time. Don't worry.
Secondly, sir, on your margins, is there any, you know, one-off kind of a thing in interest income or this is purely organic?
This quarter we have INR 592 crore as interest on income tax refund. Actually, last year around the same time, we had INR 1,900 crore worth of. So I think it is much less as compared to that. Considering our numbers, it should be. It is almost insignificant.
Sure. Last question, sir. If you can provide the breakup of the entire loan book by, you know, EBLR, MCLR, and maybe fixed rate and
Almost about 74% of the book is linked to MCLR and EBLR. 75%. Out of that, about 41% is MCLR linked. The remaining is EBLR linked. I think our fixed rate is just about 26%.
21.
21%. That's just BPLR base rate and those kind of things.
Just a corollary, sir. If I look at yields in this quarter, right? Despite having 75% of the loans which are floating rate, and within that 30% is EBLR, the yield expansion on quarter-on-quarter basis looks very sort of low. Any comments there? Sir, if you look at your yields on loan domestically-
Actually, yield expansion is also a function of the one of which I mentioned. If at all we'll look at that particular number, then probably it will throw up the right numbers. You were saying something. Yeah.
Essentially, see 41% is MCLR, and bulk of this book is linked to six months.
Six months MCLR, so the reset will be with a lag. 34% is EBLR, of which eleven percent is treasury bill linked. T-bill linked. Since it is linked to 91-day T-bill, we reset only once in three months. While the policy rates keep moving, it's not that immediately the transmission takes place. Transmission has got a reset date during which it'll happen. The full benefit of this will be available in Q3, Q4 rather than Q1, Q2. That's the sense that I would like you to read from there.
Thank you so much, sir.
Sir, question here. Adarsh from CLSA. On because margins have done so well, do you see any scope for changes in savings rate or do you think it's transactional, so no need to really look at savings rate over the next three to six months?
No, we will also look at the market scenario. You would have observed that for the high value savings bank account, we have already increased the interest rates.
Got it, sir. Sir, you all mentioned the reset on the T-bill. Your reset on repo is 90 days after the RBI moves or you do it in the next month?
It's immediate.
Immediate. Okay. Thank you.
It used to be quarter end and month end. Now it's 15 of the same month.
No, we have changed.
You have changed that.
Immediately after.
Immediately after.
Perfect. Thank you, sir. That's it. Thanks.
Yeah. Anand.
Yes, please.
Sir, Anand from Emkay. We have seen so much of rate hikes all along. This year has been pretty strong in terms of overall credit growth. Can we see a dip in the overall credit growth next year? Do you see any impact of the rate hikes, particularly into the retail segment or the corporate CapEx, this possibly which would have actually come in?
To answer your question, we'll have to probably look at what the behavior we have seen in the current year. One of the major area where which perhaps can be a reflection of the behavior which we can see going forward is the home loan. We have seen the home loan interest rates have gone up, but we have not seen the demand tipping off. I think much of it will depend upon the segments. The way I look at it is, as far as the corporates are concerned, so long as there is a visibility of demand, then perhaps they because in the overall cost structure, the interest rate, interest cost is about on an average 10% of their total cost structure.
Long as they have got a visibility of the demand and they have got a capability to pass on this increase in interest rate, I think people will continue to borrow. We are assuming some factors to remain constant. The fact of life is that practically all the variables keep on changing. I think a year down the line, we'll have to probably revisit all these assumptions and look at it how the economy is looking like, what is the confidence level across the globe, and what is the confidence level in India. That will probably help us in sort of gauging the situation on ground.
Okay. There is a chance of basically a dip in terms of the overall.
I don't think so. As I mentioned that the home loan, despite the increase in interest rate, the home loan book for us has grown almost 15%.
Yeah.
The highest ever growth which we have seen. I think much of it is, I mean, of course, there are multiple variables. How those variables interact and throw up the results, we'll have to wait and watch.
Sir, secondly, there was this RBI circular in 2019, and basically what we had heard that a lot of these banks have made standard asset provisioning on some of these government entities. Have we got any intimation from RBI that we also need to make some additional provisions on these quasi-government or government entities, including the likes of FCI, Food Corporation of India, in the current quarter? If yes, what is the status over there?
No, at this point in time, we don't have any definite indication on that. We are aware that at industry level there are discussions happening. I think it'll be premature to comment at this stage. Maybe, we will let you know once these discussions get firmed up.
Look at BOB, PNB, all of these banks have made provisions, or in fact, BOB has reversed the provisions on that front. It's just a matter of time that you will get some kind of an intimation. Any ballpark figure what you-
These things are normally looked at on merits, and if at all required, we'll see as and when the situation arises. We will have appropriately plead with RBI, and if at all there's a situation like that. We'll see what is the outcome. Whatever be the outcome, we are there to comply with what the regulatory dictates would be.
The balance sheet and P&L has adequate cushion. If at all such things do come up, I think we'll be able to absorb as and when it comes. Should not be an issue for us.
Sure.
As of now, we don't have any such message.
Okay. Sure. Thanks a lot, sir.
Good evening, sir. This is Mahesh from Kotak. Three questions from my side. One is there a particular threshold limit beyond which you would say that the margin seems to be too high, and you would want to revisit the yields or the spread that is sitting across the various lending products that you have?
We have not kept any threshold margins for us. Yes, of course, we would like to be reasonable with our customers, both on the deposit side as well as on the loan side.
Okay. In the sense that, if margins does expand further, you would say your action would be mostly on the deposit side rather than the lending side?
Let's wait and watch.
Okay. Second question, sir, on this foreign currency loan. Any particular reason as to why there is so much excitement to do this business? Very strong growth, environment doesn't seem to be that great outside India.
Normally, this is given to the well-rated corporates in India and well-rated public sector entities in India.
Okay. You don't see any risk coming out of this particular book?
That's why I'm saying the well-rated is something which takes care of the risk component.
Okay, the final question, sir, just a bookkeeping question. Write-off from the loans, does it now come under other income or is it now part of provisions?
Write-off from.
Income from write-offs.
Recovery from write-off.
Recovery from write-off.
Recovery from write-off. That is on the other income.
Other income.
Other income.
What is the ballpark number that is there for this quarter?
How much? INR 1,800 crore, right?
INR 23 crore.
INR 1,800 crore kind of a number is there.
1800?
Uh, 1823 .
Sir, under miscellaneous income it is INR 564 crores which is total, which should be part of that, right?
No, no. No, no. It is not like that. Other income. We have had some losses, and to offset that actually, derivative losses we have had. The AUCA recovery has been to the tune of INR 1,803 crore. Last year, AUCA recovery was INR 1,344 crore, which is a growth of 34.15%. Last time we had some treasury losses because of some derivatives losses due to which this 528 number is coming.
Okay. Perfect. Thanks a lot.
Maybe we can have one more question.
Yes, sir. Kunal over here, from ICICI Securities. Maybe with respect to this entire other provisions which are there of almost INR 900 crore. What that pertains to actually because I think maybe there is no recovery component, but otherwise we had seen a negative and there is some provisioning of INR 900 crore this quarter.
Just one second.
Which one?
INR 900 crore provisions, other provisions.
Other provisions. Other provisions could be this, non-fund-based, sir. Provision on non-fund-based.
ICAs.
Mm. Huh? Yeah.
Just a second.
No, other slide.
No, it is.
INR 898 crore.
Just one second.
Yeah, INR 898.9, 900 odd crores.
Yeah, we'll provide you the breakup.
Yeah, these are the provisions that are made on the non-fund-based limits.
Non-fund-based limits.
Also, wherever the ICA restructuring is not implemented within the timeline, et cetera, there are some additional provisions that get made as per the regulatory requirement. They appear under the other provision. In any case, we'll share the exact breakup later.
Thank you.
Sure. When we look at it in terms of the overall slippage, which is there for this quarter.
Sir, 898 is the restructuring.
Yeah.
for non-fund-based.
Okay. It is toward the restructuring?
Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
We have provided 30% instead of the 5% mandatory, that is. That was the RBI guidance.
Okay, got it. When we look at the slippage, how much could be the impact of recoveries inter-quarter adjustments which would have been there? Because last quarter also we highlighted that out of INR 9,700 odd crores, INR 2,800 crores have already got recovered. Does that get into the recoveries and upgrades, or it is netted off into this number itself?
No, it gets into the recoveries and upgrade.
This is pure in terms of maybe when we look at it almost like INR 3,000-odd crore retail.
Is it?
SME which was there last time, that itself would have come down quite significantly.
Net off is there, the number which you're seeing here.
This is the net number.
It is intra-quarter net off. The recovery and upgrades will be from the last year's.
Okay.
If you look at the slide on NPA movement plus okay, there you will see the breakup in terms of total gross slippages as well as the recovery and upgrades. You want the slide number? I can guide you there.
Yeah, yeah. Maybe whatever is there up to last year, only those recoveries and upgrades are there.
Yeah.
Whatever was there in Q1, maybe that's getting netted off.
Yeah.
Yes.
Okay. Lastly, in terms of the restructured pool, so when we look at the decline, that's also not significant. In fact, hardly like INR 1,000 odd crores of movement, that too coming in from the corporate. Even since March, hardly INR 3,000 odd crores movement. When do we see retail and SME actually moving out of the restructured pool, and how would that behavior be?
I think the repayment process started.
24 months.
24 months repayment is there.
Moratorium.
24 months moratorium, and I think moratorium is only in very small book of the book has got the moratorium over. That, I think, is what we have already seen, that we have actually-
Slide number 13. Put the slide number 13.
13. This is how it is, it is looking like.
Yeah. Movement has largely been on the corporate side. Retail and SME would really take some time. When should we see that actually coming off?
Sorry. 21 plus 23, March. Will be our next year.
Next financial year.
Next financial year.
24 months was the maximum.
That's the moratorium which has been extended. We'll get to see it perhaps, early part of the next financial year.
Sure. Okay. Thank you.
Can we-
We have a few questions coming in through the online webcast. Chairman sir will now address these questions.
Yeah. The question from Mr. Darpin Shah is if you can provide breakup of slippages for retail, SME, agri, corporate and overseas business. SME has slipped INR 408 crores. Agri has slipped INR 631 crore, and par has slipped INR 330 crore. In the retail segment, it is INR 1,369 crore slippages. In the corporate segment it is INR 956 crore. Total domestic all put together is INR 2,325 crore. IBG slippages were INR 74 crore. Overall, bank as a whole, we have seen a slippage of INR 2,399 crore. The next question comes from, "What is bank's outlook on NIM and ROA? Can we sustain the trend we have shown in this quarter?" We will put in our best effort to see that we sustain this trend.
This is coming from Ashish Sharma. The next third question is coming from Sharad Avasthi. "Are NIMs sustainable if looked at in the context of shrinking CASA base and rising FD rates amid competition? Strategic levers available to save the NIMs?" Well, of course, I agree with what you have mentioned in terms of shrinking CASA base, but there also we have put in some efforts, and those efforts are essentially the current account market otherwise is comprising of about 49% government business and 45% coming from the trade and commerce. Government business likely to witness a very tectonic shift because now they are opening the SNA and the CNA accounts, and they are managing their cash pretty well, so they may not leave much of float.
That's why we have started embarking upon the trade and commerce, and there we have seen growth of almost about 8% in the current quarter. Hopefully, we have recalibrated our strategy for the current account deposits, and we have all the products and services. Hopefully, we should be in a position to reverse this trend of current account also. Savings bank deposit, we have opened very large number of savings bank account, and we'll continue to do that. That will probably help us in coming back as far as the CASA is concerned. We are very mindful in terms of increasing our interest rate on the term deposit. I think hopefully our effort will be to sustain the NIM. Of course, the market forces, how will it.
They really react going forward will also influence our decision. Nevertheless, our conscious effort would be to sustain the NIM. Going forward, given the present advances growth and capital burn post, what level of CET will you consider an equity capital base? Perhaps we will revisit this decision. This is a question from Lalitabh Shrivastawa, and we will be revisiting this subject work after the financial result of the financial year 2021, 2022, 2023. At that stage, what will be the pullback and how the capital will look like, that will be the point of time when we will look into this. Last question is from Mr. Sawant.
His question is, "Will you please give more color on how bank is positioning to manage credit growth in low deposit growth environment?" I have mentioned that we have about 3.5 trillion worth of securities which we are holding in the treasury, and we'll be in a position to monetize those securities, which will help us in supporting the credit growth. We are having almost about 10% CASA deposit growth also as of now. Going forward, we might see even better trends. With that, we should be in a position to take care of the advances growth.
Just to follow up on your question on how many offers have been made.
10 offers of INR 44,000 crore, roughly. Our share is INR 3,400 crore.
All good. Thank you.
We have some more questions received on the chat box. In the interest of time, we'll reply in writing. Sorry for not taking it up right now.
Okay. I trust all the major questions have already been addressed now. In the interest of time, we'll stop here, and we'll be happy to respond to other questions in offline mode. Let me end this evening with thanking the chairman, the top management team, the analysts, and the ladies and gentlemen. To round off this evening, we request you to join us for high tea, which is just arranged outside the hall. Thank you very much.
Thank you very much. Thanks a lot.