Good morning, everyone, welcome to Norsk Titanium's Q4 2025 operational update Q&A session. Thank you for joining us following yesterday's publication of the Q4 operational update. I will be moderating today's session. With me on the call are Fabrizio Ponte, Chief Executive Officer, and Ashar Ashary, Chief Financial Officer. Fabrizio will begin with the brief opening remarks, after which we will open the floor for questions. Fabrizio, please go ahead.
Thank you, Joachim. Can you hear me okay?
We can hear you.
Very good. Thank you, and welcome to the Q&A release, everybody. The release of this report was originally scheduled for the fourth of March, and I want to confirm that we will still host a full investor presentation in Oslo next week, and I will be there present. However, in the final stages of our recent strategic review, it became evident that we had to withdraw our previous revenue guidance of $70 million in 2026, and the corresponding path to cash flow breakeven in 2027. In order to meet, you know, the market expectation in a timely manner, we had to accelerate the publication. That's why we did it.
The main and key and underlying reason of the delay is basically delayed industrial ramp and commercialization of our technology with our key OEM customers. We have to say that the company has underestimated the complexity and the amount of time required in order for a very large and complex OEM to integrate our technology into their manufacturing processes. We have to acknowledge that the level of integration and qualification has taken much longer than expected to translate in a commercial manner. I joined in last October, so I've been with the company for a few months. I spent considerable time with customers. I have 2 key takeaways from that.
One, the long-term opportunity is intact for Norsk Titanium. RPD is a technology that will be integrated in key and large OEM manufacturing processes in aerospace and defense. I'm very positive on that. On the other end, I, the complexity of the commercial part of it certainly has to be considered. Now, how are we going to work on this and how we are going to course-correct this? We have been working on redefining our operating model. Our operating model is gonna be an operating model revolving around customers, and with customer at the center of it. We have developed a commercially grounded business plan with a very commercially based view of our business.
We are going to continue to focus on our core, so aerostructures, defense, and engines, which has been added to the original core. We are going to deploy a dedicated team to work on short-cycle opportunities, which we have many, and we need to make sure that we can win those opportunities to improve our short and medium term. Third, and most important of all, we are also going to launch what we named the RPD Ecosystem Strategy, which calls for deploying our equipment and licenses our technology with selected and key OEMs.
I'm sure you all have read the update that we provided and that we published on our website. Let's open the floor for question and answers. Joachim?
Thank you, Fabrizio. If you would like to ask a question, please use the raise hand function in Teams. I will then call your name and enable your microphone, so you can then unmute yourself and ask your question. Before asking your question, please briefly introduce yourself with your name and organization. With that, the floor is open. Okay, we have received a few questions in the chat-
Okay.
From Sarah. We can start with that. "In November, you announced advanced negotiations with the DoD ICAM office for a funded qualification program. Today, you highlighted two multi-year development programs for the U.S. Navy and Air Force. Can you clarify if these Navy and Air Force programs are the same as the ICAM initiative, or are they separate opportunities?
Yes. They are the same, and we are in the very final stage of the negotiation. We suffered a couple of delays. One was the government shutdown in the U.S. that delayed, let's say, the finalization and the formalization of certain contracts. We also have now an auditor in the middle of the paperwork to complete this. These two development programs are there and will be finalized in the coming months. Joakim?
Thank you. Following on with a question from Kim: With regard to Ponte's statement on his LinkedIn post from 18th December, "Stay tuned, we expect several groundbreaking announcements in early 2026.
Yeah.
Can you please elaborate on the statement and if it's still valid?
It is still valid. We still expect numerous updates coming forward. As I said in my opening remarks, I remain very confident on our long-term outlook, and this is grounded on our customer pool for the technology. We continue to work with the main larger OEM, and we are following the roadmaps, and we are enabling their industrialization. Yes, in the coming months, for sure, there will be news that they will support, you know, our outlook.
Thank you. A question from Herman Olson: Can you say anything regarding Airbus third wave, and how many parts are now in serial production?
Yeah. We are not going to refer to the number of parts in serial production going forward. We learn from the past. We're going to stop being that specific. However, I can say that we are working hand in hand with Airbus on a number of fronts. Of course, wave three and conversion into parts is one of them, and in the coming months, I expect this to start the ramp, which is going to help us already starting in 2026 and going forward.
Yeah, I.
All the work that we're doing with Airbus is still very much alive. Nothing has changed. Actually, it's expanding into many different directions. Ashar?
Yeah. Thank you, Fabrizio. Parts and production. A couple of reasons to kind of like not guide towards the number of parts in serial production. You know, all the business that we have earned so far, none of it has been lost. I just want to reassure that. Secondly, there is a mix of development revenue and parts revenue, parts production revenue that continues to be a mix. Therefore, what we've seen is that the parts transitioning to serial production don't indicate or do not provide a leading indicator into revenue at this time. They're at a certain maturity level, they may, we may mature to where we can provide that type of a leading indicator.
For now, we're suspending providing that as a KPI.
Thank you. Another question from Sarah K: In August, you stated your $70 million target for 2026 was a bottom-up estimate anchored in firm contracts and advanced commercial discussions across your 3 main sectors. Despite retracting guidance today, do you still expect a meaningful portion of this pipeline to transition to serial production this year since aerospace was estimated to be 40% of the total?
Ashar, do you want to take that?
Yeah, I can start with the response on that. The revenue guidance that we've retracted, those were ongoing discussions with our major OEM customers that we're working with. Those opportunities are still there. We haven't, like I said, we haven't lost the business. We haven't lost opportunity. The market continues to grow. There continues to be customer pull from the same customers that we have forecasted in that. When we say grounded, they were grounded in our discussions with those specific OEMs. That business is still available.
The ramp into that business and the timing of that has now become less clear to us, whereas where we thought that timing, the timing was more understood. What Fabrizio mentioned earlier is trying to work with those same customers and align the timing of how that revenue comes together. Fabrizio, do you have anything to add to that?
The only thing I want to add is that I do expect the industrialization and the commercial- the corresponding commercial ramp to start this year. The question was about how meaningful this is going to be. This is exactly what is difficult to predict at this point in time. We will need to work with our customers. We will do our best to maximize and go after the biggest number of parts possible. We're going to work very, very hard in the coming months in order for that to happen. I expect this to start this year. How meaningful that is going to be is difficult to predict at this point in time.
Thank you. Another question from Sarah about defense. With the capability assessments from major U.S. defense contractors to be finalized in the next weeks and Q1, do these represent entirely new customer relationships, or are they existing partners like, for example, Northrop Grumman and General Atomics?
It's actually a mix. We've been working with the four main primes for many, many years. This development is coming to fruition. All the work that we've been doing with the main four primes is coming to fruition, but we also see new customers coming on board. There is a very strong interest from the Navy, the U.S., but also we see from defense in Europe. We have more, let's say this is broadening, and we are now working on a couple of very important opportunities that we are going to translate into programs and then into sales.
The defense part is becoming very important. This is driven, of course, by geopolitics, but also by the nature of our technology. On the one end, we are able to replace forged parts, which right now are in very short supply and increase in price. On the other end, we can deploy our technology wherever we want, okay? You know, we have a production available in Europe, we have production available in North America, and additive manufacturing is by definition deployable wherever it is needed. Of course, Norsk Titanium and our specific technology is a perfect enabler to some of the challenges, to win some of the challenges that the defense industry is at the point, at this point in time. We are very buoyant about this segment.
Next, we have a question from Herman Olson. Regarding capital raise, is it planned for 2026 first half or second half?
The timing is not determined yet. So we are, you know, obviously, we've mentioned in the report that we are looking towards raising additional capital during the year. I think the timing will really depend on how mature and how our customer relationships develop over the year. This, you know, we've obviously so, discussed this with our board, with our main shareholders, and they remain supportive of the outlook of the business, and they remain supportive of how determining when the right time would be for the capital raise.
Thank you. Another question from Sarah: Beyond shortening future adoption cycles, did the recent MMPDS approval unblock a material portion of your existing parts pipeline in industrial sector that was waiting on specific validation to enter serial production?
Can you repeat the question? I'm not sure I understand the question.
Beyond shortening future adoption cycles, did the recent MMPDS approval unblock a material portion of your existing parts pipeline in industrial sector that was waiting on specific validation to enter serial production?
All right. I'll try to provide the statement here that if you can refine the question, it would be great. The MMPDS listing of RPD is, of course, a very important milestone for Norsk Titanium. We are basically the only additive manufacturing technology included in the handbook. The handbook is the Bible used by aerospace engineers in aerospace and in defense to basically design parts. This is providing authority to RPD and numbers to engineers to design new parts. We expect that the inclusion of RPD in the MMPDS will enable a number of parts to be designed on the technology and then, of course, flow to Norsk Titanium for commercialization.
Thank you. Another question from Herman Olson. Airbus posted on LinkedIn last month, Airbus has begun serial production of large titanium 3D-printed parts for the A350 program, focusing on the cargo door surround area. Is this Norsk Titanium, or are they working with other titanium partners?
Yes. There is an important. Let's say that we are a big part of that. I mean, it's a yes. We are included in that application, and if you look at that web story, you know, we are featured in the web story, so I think you can draw your own conclusion on how important is Norsk Titanium into that program. This also gives you an idea on the traction that there still is from Airbus on additive manufacturing and specifically on DED. Okay, we are very, very excited about that. There was a previous question asking what we expect.
I expect to be at a tipping point, and now we need to push further in order to make sure that we help our customers, to fully industrialize, the technology, and we push for the commercial ramp. That's what we need to do in the coming, two, three years.
In general, I think Norsk Titanium is the only 3D printing or additive manufacturing technology that is qualified for structural titanium parts on aircraft. I think it's easy to draw that conclusion.
We have a question from Jörgen Teigen. Earlier communications suggested that Wave three would be fully implemented in 2025, and that meaningful developments could occur in early 2026. The latest update suggests a longer timeline and tighter liquidity. What has changed since those earlier expectations, and how should investors interpret the credibility of the current outlook? Could you clarify the context of the Airbus-related LinkedIn post in February?
What's the last question, Jörgen? Can you please repeat the last part?
Yes. The last part of the question was about the clarification around the context of the Airbus-related LinkedIn post in February.
Yeah.
Bu the broader question is also about how investors should interpret the credibility of the current outlook, given the persisting delays.
Yes. I think in our statement, we fully acknowledge that we didn't read the situation correctly. It's certainly we realize that this is a, you know, a very complex customer and OEM structure, and it requires quite a bit of work in order to accomplish what we need to accomplish. We are changing the way we work with customers. We used to work just with the engineers at Airbus. At this point in time, we are working with the entire spectrum of stakeholders, so engineers, of course, but also procurement, program leadership. It's really a fully-fledged approach, the one we have with Airbus.
As I said in my opening statement, we reported on the update, we have now developed a commercially grounded business plan. That's the reason why I was brought in. I'm a commercially grounded person, and I look at things in a very commercial way and through a commercial lens. I believe that we have work to do, and we have certainly a complex road ahead.
I'm very, very positive that the outlook is positive, and if we, if we continue to go through all the critical steps that are required, and we work hand in hand with our customers, you know, very large OEM in aerospace and defense, things will start to happen, okay? We are on a tipping point, and the next 2 years will be very, very critical for us in order to take Norsk Titanium in a very different place. I'm very confident.
In addition, in terms of, you know, in terms of understanding the customer, you know, one thing that we have done is obviously retracted our guidance, but we're also taking, you know, looking at our strategy and our operating model. You know, as Fabrizio said, you know, we have established a kind of a cross-functional, cross-functional connection points with the complex nature of our customers to develop those, to develop those roadmaps. At this time, we're not guiding the market to revenue is precisely for that reason. Because it's kind of, it's at this point in time, it's hard for us to give a credible number, and when these things come home.
We do know that there continues to be, you know, strong connections to us, and that, and that the reason we've been able to, you know, access cross-functional teams is because there continues to be a pull from the customer, to mature Norsk Titanium into their, into their production systems. You know, again, we, you know, as we acknowledged, we've got the timing wrong in the past. I think we're taking a little bit more prudent approach here to come up with a forecast after we have, you know, completed all that work with our customers.
Thank you. We will pause briefly to see if there are any further questions. If so, please raise your hand or submit a question in the Q&A chat window. One question here. The company need to acquire and report achieved contracts or actual recurring revenues. Will this new commercial business plan include a broader and more aggressive approach to other segments, for instance, oil, gas, transport, or other?
Yes, it will. As I said at the beginning, and also we reported in the update, we're gonna remain focused on the core, and core for us means aerostructures, engines, and defense. That will not go away. However, we have a number of opportunities that always fall through our door, and we need to get better at winning those opportunities. You know, these opportunities come from many different industries. It can be energy, it can be semiconductor, you know, it can be urban air mobility, there are... You know, also in aerospace. There are a number of opportunities that continuously flow, you know, in Norsk Titanium. We are going to work in a very different way in order to win those opportunities.
I expect those opportunities to become meaningful, you know, already this year and in the, in the coming years.
Yeah. With regards to the reporting question, on contracts and actual recurring revenues, we'll continue to report the way we're reporting. Any material contracts, of course, we will report to the market as they are executed.
Great. That also provided a response to Herman Olson's questions about if they can expect any stock news between the quarterly reports as large and new deals are signed.
Yes.
Another question here from Lars. Please be concrete on the question if Airbus is working with other titanium partners.
That's certainly a possibility. I mean, I think it's difficult for us to say who they are working with. We can say that we are certainly one of a prime technology partner. Norsk Titanium enjoys a very important position at Airbus from the technical standpoint. I think we can fairly say that. We are committed to go and compete from the technical standpoint with whoever is gonna be there. I mean, we are very confident on the value of our technology. This is confirmed by Airbus and by also other OEMs. We are very strong. We have a very strong foundation from the technology standpoint.
I mean, it's our challenge, is not the technology. Our challenge is that, we are developing this technology into very complex roadmaps, okay. That's the biggest challenge that we currently have.
We can't comment on, you know, who Airbus is working with in terms of other titanium partners. What we do know is currently, you know, currently we're the baseline in the market, right? We enjoy lead time, we enjoy a control over our specification that we've developed for our process. Nobody else owns our process. We have our process, we have our specification that comes out of our process. And our specification meets forging equivalent to current forging requirements. It's a very high bar that we've established. And we continue to enjoy that position with Airbus.
If you look at Airbus's roadmap that they put out last year, in their presentation, you know, we are part of that roadmap. That's, that's where it starts.
Yeah. The other thing I want to add is that it is expanding also to other lead OEMs in Europe and North America. We don't stop at Airbus. There are a number of very important OEMs in aerostructures and in engines that are we are working with at the same level as Airbus. Now we are diversifying our developments also outside of Airbus. It's not gonna be just Airbus. It's gonna be Airbus and a few other very important large OEMs.
Thank you. We'll take one final question. Has Airbus provided an expected timeline for the wave three order? Does NTI have deliverables or key milestones they need to reach before the third order is granted?
Okay, that's exactly the challenge that we have. I mean, Airbus doesn't work that way. They don't communicate that way. We are wait- You know, there are clear milestones that we are working towards. Some we have to deliver, some Airbus has to deliver. We'll see in the coming weeks how that is going to develop. I wanna say that we have. This is also different from the past. We have a very structured project charter with key milestones that are agreed and shared with the customer, with Airbus and the other large OEMs. That's a very different way of working.
Agreeing with customers, on key targets, and related milestones is a different way of working, and this is gonna provide us with a little bit more clarity, on how this is going to develop. It's fair to say that Airbus unfortunately doesn't work that way, is that they don't commit to certain roadmaps. This also what is forcing us to retract our revenue forecast.
Thank you. By that, we will conclude today's Q&A session. Thank you to everyone for your questions and for joining us this morning. Thank you Fab rizio and Ashar. As mentioned, in the operational update, the company will host a more detailed presentation and webcast on March fourth in Oslo. For those wishing to attend virtually or in person, please refer to the details in the provided release. Thank you all. Have a good day.
Thank you, Joachim. Thank you, everybody.
Thank you. Thank you, everybody.
Bye-bye.