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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Feb 17, 2023

Gert Haugland
SVP Finance and Investor Relations, Odfjell Technology

Welcome to Odfjell Technology's fourth quarter presentation. My name is Gert Haugland. I'm the SVP for Finance and Investor Relations in Odfjell Technology. I'm joined by CEO Simen Lieungh, and our CFO, Jone Torstensen. You'll find the presentation on our website, and I ask you to take notice of the disclaimer on page 2. Simen will start off by going through the key highlights of the quarter, the market outlook, and give a short strategy update before Jone will cover the financial figures. Thereafter, we will conclude with a Q&A session. You can submit your questions through webcast portal or by using the dial-in numbers. I now hand it over to Simen for the first part.

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

Thank you, Gert. We go to the slide number four. Welcome everybody, and thank you for calling in to our Q4 conference. If you start with the overall key financials on this slide that we have, we have had a revenue in the quarter of 1.1 billion NOK with an EBITDA of 197 million NOK, and with a quite stable order backlog of about 11 billion NOK. This gives us a cash position of 560 million NOK. The gearing has gone down from Q2 in 2022 down to from 1.9 to 1.2 times the gearing KPI.

Which is, I think is quite more interesting is also that we have, I would say, somewhat conservatively estimated the EBITDA in the order backlog compared to the debt to be approximately 2.2 times. That shows a quite strong and stable financial background for our operations. If we go through the key highlights for the quarter, we can easily say that we can conclude that we have another strong quarter behind us. We certainly see a high level of activity in all business areas. The focus on operations and stable, safe operations has been successful. Again, I mentioned the order backlog which is a very important element. It's stable.

We actually see much bigger and higher tender activity going forward, and we are active in many of them. We hope for even a higher order backlog in the future. We have also indicated earlier that we will do the dividend in 2023. We are allowed to do that now based on the covenant we had in the bond we did last year. We expect a dividend distribution which Jone Torstensen, our CFO, will comment upon somewhat later in the presentation. HSE is an important element for us. It's the license to operate.

We had the 3/4 , first quarter, say, of the year were only just minor incidents, not many serious at all. We certainly had a very, very serious incident on Linus in the fourth quarter where we seriously injured one of our employees on a jack-up, the jack-up on Ekofisk. That kind of incidents are tragic, and of course, very, very important to do the investigation properly. We were of course, investigated by the police. We had the PSA on board, and we have now concluded all the mitigations elements that has been implemented. We have also arranged for an experience transfer with all our competitors with the same type of equipment to avoid this to happen in the future.

Market is always an important element to talk about. I think the whole oil and gas business area with services, drilling operations, projects and so forth, has certainly seen an upswing. We see that driven by this energy, the demand for more stable energy supply. We certainly see that it has effect on the market. We see that and quite important KPI for Odfjell Technology is the active number of rigs operating globally. That KPI is certainly stronger and stronger, and we see more and more rigs in operation which of course directly addresses our services.

Well, services has done well and I think we can, as I said, certainly see that we are able to combine operations between the business areas. We see a positive outlook. You know, one of the things we really work with in technology here is to utilize cross-business opportunities to do more integrated services. To provide for clients solutions that is normally not really available. We see a better market. We see an upswing in the Middle East, especially Saudi is very active these days with a huge number of jackups being activated.

We also see Europe coming stronger and also Southeast Asia. For example, with Malaysia and other countries in that area. Within operations, we see a stable market. We are today very active in many of the tenders that is out in the market. We are combining drilling activities together with plug abandonment and slot recovery activities. We also look at possible more operations on jackups. Within engineering, that's what we call our capability to activate more activities. It's a very important capability we have in the company. I think we have a high utilization, and we see that there are a lot of other, you know, activities coming.

We certainly see that with all the active rigs in place with the Special periodical surveys, upgrades and other things, we are in the market for increasing the number of employees in that part of the company. Regarding strategy, I would just give a very short update. We indicated some month ago that we were in the process of defining the future for Odfjell Technology, which is really not just kind of a natural in a way. We have to do a thorough process to think through what kind of company this should be. short update here is that we see the market have been through. short-term, we see a potential to grow the company, to grow the business with both with organic growth and with M&A activities.

We see that, you know, the market is volatile these days, I mean, positively volatile. There are a lot of type of companies that could fit very well into our company, we are today in the process of evaluating what kind of process we should do and how we should do it. We will certainly come back to that when that's more specific. We will develop new product lines, as I indicated. We do it cross-business areas within the company as we are today. We are certainly focusing a lot on plug abandonment and slot recovery activities, also carefully now moving over to a new energy business. Plug abandonment has been on the plate for many years, has not really materialized.

We see now in the, especially in the UK, that a lot more plug and abandonment tenders are coming up, and we also expect that to switch also to the Norwegian market down the road. We, of course, we have said we will, we are very focused on the cash flow to produce strong cash flow, which we have proven so far. Of course, we also will be a company that will potentially now in the future play as a stable dividend capacity for shareholders. I emphasize that we are long-term also looking at different type of new business areas. For example, we will certainly support ocean wind, which we see a great potential.

We also will look at hydrogen production technologies. We are looking into geothermal type of businesses, and we also look at carbon catch type of technologies to be used on type of installations we operate and serve to take part of the greenhouse gas emissions. I emphasize again that we don't foresee in the short term any yield from the new energy areas. The main business regarding cash flow and operations will be based on oil and gas, oil services in the more traditional way. That's where we do today, and that's where the short-term cash will come. Long term, of course, we will support the energy shift, and down the road there will be more, more return from that kind of business.

That is a short version of the company. We have in a way concluded the direction type of targets for growth and type of targets for how we should develop the company further into other business areas. Going to business area reporting, you see within well services we have a 3.3 billion NOK backlog, order backlog. We have a significant storage of equipment worth 4.1 billion NOK. We still have some capacity to grow the company based on the capacity we're having that within that equipment base. We have been successful to operate in more countries, like we mentioned here, Turkey and Hungary, on casing running services. We use special tools there, these margins of that kind of business is quite good.

We have a focus to increase our presence in the markets we are. We operate in 22 countries as we speak. We also see that the investment level will be maybe somewhat more stable down the road, at least this year. Last year we had a higher expected investment level because of special investment in boring equipment with wide type equipment and type of continuous circulation systems, which where investments are actually quite good with the high yield. Operations means also drilling operations. It has a 7.2 billion NOC backlog. We operate on 16 installations as we speak. Stable backlog, good clients. We are today look at more tenders.

We are even invited to certain clients to see if we can provide more integrated, smarter services. Yes, we expect also that part of the business to come. Even though that part of the business has normally had lower margins, based on better contracts these days with good incentive schemes, we also hope for a better margin in that area. Within project and engineering, we have a backlog of more than NOK 500 million. A very high utilization, like 2%, of the people are in direct work, where we are paid per hour and per project.

As I said, high activity, higher than we actually appreciate these days because we struggle to find enough capacity to do what we hope to do. Of course, we are in the market to work with other companies to establish alliances and also to employ significantly more people. We do this, and we add on capacity and competencies where we feel that we need to fill up to be able to serve a very kind of a both the traditional market we are working with, also within the new energy areas. That, in a way, gives, concludes the highlights for the operations in the company and how we think about the future.

I hand the speech, the next speech over to Jone Torstensen, CFO, to take the financial details. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one.

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

Sorry, a glitch. I think we were muted.

Jone Torstensen
CFO, Odfjell Technology

Should I start?

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

Yeah.

Jone Torstensen
CFO, Odfjell Technology

Thank you, Simen. Starting with the financial performance on page 14. Revenue in Q4 was NOK 1.1 billion, an increase of 14% from Q3 to Q4, and year-over-year increase of 37%. EBITDA in Q4 was NOK 197 million, an increase of 5% from Q3 to Q4, and year-over-year increase of 54%. In Q4, we have high activity engineering and consistent performance and activity in drilling operation and well services. For the full year, revenue growth of 32% from 2021 to 2022, and EBITDA growth of 74% from 2021 to 2022. Cash flow from operation generated NOK 296 million in Q4 and NOK 680 million for the full year. Cash position was NOK 560 million in Q4 compared to NOK 423 million in Q3.

As Simen said, leverage ratio is down to 1.2. If you look at the split of the revenue, 49% is operations, 35% is well services, and 15% is engineering. As you can see on the right, Norway is still the most important region with 65% of the revenue. Going to page 15, business area reports, starting with well services. Revenue of NOK 374 million in Q4 2022 compared to NOK 267 million in Q4 2021, an increase of NOK 107 million. EBITDA of NOK 132 million in Q4 compared to NOK 76 million in Q4 2021, an increase of NOK 56 million. Stable revenue and EBITDA in Q4 compared to Q3. EBITDA margin percentage increased from 26% in 2021 to 36% in 2022. Going to operations.

Revenue of NOK 569 million in Q4 2022 compared to NOK 439 million in Q4 2021, an increase of NOK 130 million. EBITDA of NOK 42 million in Q4 compared to NOK 47 million in Q4 2021, a reduction of NOK 5 million. Increased revenue in Q4 2022 compared to Q3 2022 due to startup of Linus operation and a minor reduction of EBITDA due to reduced bonus incentive scheme achievements in Q4. Look for the year, EBITDA margin increased from 7% in 2021 to 8% in 2022. Engineering revenue of NOK 179 million in Q4 2022 compared to NOK 101 in Q4 2021, an increase of NOK 78 million. EBITDA of NOK 34 million in Q4 compared to 0 in Q4 2021, increase of NOK 34 million. Increased revenue and EBITDA in Q4 compared to Q3 2022, due to increased activity and improved financial performance.

For the year, EBITDA margin increased from 6% in 2021 to 12% in 2022. Let's go to 16, have a look on the historical performance and development in revenue and EBITDA. You can see that we start with Q1 2019. OTL is, as we said, a asset-light business with a low-risk exposure in operation and in projects. We have delivered good financial performance over time, even during period with low activity and low oil price and during COVID-19. The main drivers for that is that we work very hard to secure a solid order backlog. We delivering high-class operation and project execution. We have a continuous alignment of cost base towards activity level. We have always continuous improvement processes in operation, organization, and all commercial aspects. We are very hands-on with the business control. Finally, we...

It's important to secure a satisfactory management capacity and capability. Summary. Concluded the year with growth in revenue and margin. Good cash situation. We expected dividend payment in 2023 to be NOK 100 million. As Simen said, positive market outlook. Very strong contract portfolio. Strategic process concluded and direction set. We are ready for Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please signal by pressing star one. We'll pause for just a moment to allow you to signal. Our first question comes from Lukas Daul from Arctic Securities. Please go ahead.

Lukas Daul
Equity Research, Arctic Securities

Thank you. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Simen, I had a question on how you see sort of 2023 shaping up in terms of growth potential. Obviously, 2022 was very high on the delta compared to 2021. How do you see 2023 shaping up in terms of growth?

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

Lukas, I think, I think as we have said, 2023 is, in a way, it's more activity. I think regarding with the activity level, we see really upswing in 2024. 2023 is also good. Not, I would say better than we have seen for the last years, so that shouldn't be too difficult to say because those years have not been good at all. Certainly, I think you will see as more significant step up in 2024 and onwards. 2023 is a more, as we see, a year where there's a lot of activity, a lot of tenders, but those tenders will be awarded during 2023, but will be activated in 2024 onwards. We see.

I don't guide anything, but, what we see here is that, we expect a better market. We do have capacity to take our share and hopefully more. Again, 2023 to me is a starting point for a improved cycle in general. I'm positive.

Lukas Daul
Equity Research, Arctic Securities

Okay. That's interesting.

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

Yeah.

Lukas Daul
Equity Research, Arctic Securities

In terms of your... I mean, in terms of the sort of inflation pressures in the value chain, how are you sort of experiencing that yourself? Access to qualified people, the equipment inflation, et cetera. How is sort of the dialogue with the end clients in terms of passing on those costs?

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

I think we do have Most of our contracts, we do have escalation clauses, taking care of the index really. What we don't have full control of is, of course, the cost increase in the market in general, like type of equipment, access to people, and so forth. I think it will be seriously gonna be a fight, in quotes, in the market for the best heads. How we have positioned ourselves in that, in that context is that we certainly feel that the response in the market for Odfjell Technology as a company is quite positive because we do have focus on the oil service side, but we also move more or also to the new energy side.

For example, our engagement within Odfjell Oceanwind is vital for that company to launch. A lot of our engineers work both on type of oil and gas projects and also support the development of the solutions within Odfjell Oceanwind. That really attracts people because you can do both. So far, I think, I will not underestimate that it's gonna be complex to get the capacity we want. We will do it by organic growth, we will do it by alliances and maybe some M&A activity. I can say that much, we will not take on project where we cannot deliver.

I know that there will always be a stretch for that target, but the balance is really to not to pull that element too far and say that we need to be stable of delivery, and that's been the mantra in the company. We take on projects and operations where we can deliver, even though it might be stressful now and then, we do that. It will take just a very few quarters to... When you fail, you will lose all your credibility, and by that also lose your traction in the market. I'm somewhat concerned about the cost increases. We will defend ourselves in the contract by clauses.

Clearly there will be more difficult to get access to critical equipment and critical capacity regarding people.

Lukas Daul
Equity Research, Arctic Securities

Okay. Just finally, having sort of concluded your financial or your review, or your strategic review, do you have sort of a certain, or a specific leverage target, going forward, given sort of the cash flow conversion you are showing on a, on a basis?

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

No. We do, yes, we do have an idea where that should be. We will always be an asset-light company. We will focus to be able to pay regular dividend. At the same time, we do have, and Jone might comment upon that too, we do have extra capacity within our debt arrangement to have to scale up and do certain type of capacity for M&A. In general, we like to be asset-light, we like to have control of the debt, we like to have cash for dividend and investments. I said, yes, thank you to all.

I think that the way we shape the company now will be the way you will see it in the future. Hopefully a stable, good provider of cash and dividend.

Lukas Daul
Equity Research, Arctic Securities

Okay. Thanks for the call, Jone, and have a good weekend.

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

Thank you.

Operator

We will now take our next question from Tommy Johansen from SB1 Markets. Please go ahead.

Tommy Johannessen
Analyst, SB1 Markets

Yes, good afternoon. Starting off with the Middle East, you talked about you see high growth there, and obviously in 2023 we'll see a very high demand growth for jackups, particularly in that region. I'm just wondering, what's the growth potential for you there? Can you grow further there organically or potentially also inorganically?

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

We can do both. Very much of the companies with technologies we have over the years invested in, for example, our Wellbore cleanup capacity and technology was bought in the Middle East some time ago. You mentioned jackups. I think Saudi, as you know, is activating a lot more jackups. Within well services we have already got a frame agreement with Saudi Aramco for 25, 30 jackups, that could be more. We see that more jackups available, more type of activity rigs available, the more activity we will get.

Because there are competition down there certainly, but we are, we have a strong presence in Dubai with both workshops and people, and we operate in the region with now Central Asia and in the Middle East area. We will certainly pick up more activity down there, and we are positioning ourselves for that type of operation ourselves. We see actually a better access to capacity in that region today than it has compared to other regions. I again will not give any number on the growth, but yes, we're gonna grow in that region.

Tommy Johannessen
Analyst, SB1 Markets

Okay, thank you. Engineering that, the EBITDA you reported there was particularly high compared to at least my estimates. Can you dig a bit into what's driving that in Q4 and also what you're expecting into 2023? You have offshore drilling, one of your key clients who are having several FPSOs and other players too. Do you expect the engineering department to continue to deliver such high results going forward?

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

Yes. I think the reason we have improved the margin there is combined. We are, as you know, we have organized now engineering under a separate business area with a new manager, new director, Onorina Sweeney. She came from Seadrill and is very capable of building up that part of the company. By organizing, structuring, making more systematic approach to these kind of contracts, we are also able to take more engineering contracts on a more lump sum basis, not only man-hours, but also lump sum basis. Where you are kind of shaping up a scope of work, you price it, and you get it, and you deliver. By that you also can actually see a better margin instead of just having man-hours.

I think going forward, a combination of what I'm saying here, a combination of better alliances, a combination of increased manpower in the company, yes, we see that as our capability to engage in more activity and also engage more in other type of renewable projects. Okay.

Tommy Johannessen
Analyst, SB1 Markets

Thank you. My last question is on the organic and M&A growth you're expecting in the short term in your traditional oil service segment. Is this mostly in the well service segment or also in engineering? I guess drilling operation is hard to do much, but yeah.

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

I don't foresee any, I think, any M&A activity within the drilling operations itself. I don't foresee that's more into bidding and operating more platforms that has normally been business transfer. If we take over a platform from a competition, you take over the crew and everything, so it's a type of business transfer. By that you grow, but not necessarily with M&A activity. The mostly M&A activity will be within well services to acquire products, acquire type of companies that can actually add on type of products which can fit into our portfolio of products globally. We also see that within engineering, we have...

We are looking at companies where we could either go into close alliances or also to do M&A activity on. There will be a combination, but the most of the candidates we are looking at today is within well services. Okay?

Tommy Johannessen
Analyst, SB1 Markets

Perfect. Thank you. That was all from me. Have a great weekend.

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. We have a question from Ben Tang, a private investor. Please go ahead.

Speaker 7

Thank you. Congrats on the the fourth quarter results. Just a quick question from me regarding the UK operation. I've seen some operators noting that due to the new UK windfall tax, there might be a decrease in the exploration activities in the UK North Sea region. I just wonder whether that would affect your future revenue in that particular area, given that I note that more than 20% of your revenue in 2022 comes from the UK region. I'm grateful if you could just let us have your views on that. Thank you.

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

I, it was actually quite noisy. I didn't hear your question, to be honest. Could you just repeat your question, please? There was noise on my phone there.

Speaker 7

Right. I think it's more of a question on whether the U.K. windfall tax will lead to a decreased level of exploration activities in the U.K. North Sea region.

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

Okay.

Speaker 7

Whether that would affect, yeah, whether that would affect your revenue, top line growth in that area. Thank you.

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

Well, it will have no effect on us directly because those projects we are working with in the U.K. are quite stable. Even though there might be, you know, in the U.K. side, it's within the traditional drilling type of business, where you say that, yes, there are regulations that has changed, but again, with the shortage of energy and so forth, there are still quite high activity in the U.K. In the U.K., we see a lot more activity on plug abandonment, which is also done combined with drilling. Many of the tenders today are combining drilling, slot recovery and plug abandonment activities.

We actually see a ramp up of activity in the UK but with a different mix of services, as I said, including plug abandonment activities. I think maybe 30%-40% of the tenders we look at now is also about plug abandonment activity. We don't see any shortfall there over the next few years really. Okay?

Speaker 7

Great. Thanks very much. That's all from me. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions in the phone queue. I'd like to hand the call back over to Gert for any webcast question. Over to you, Gert.

Gert Haugland
SVP Finance and Investor Relations, Odfjell Technology

Yes, we have received a few questions. The first one is from Jørgen Andreas Lande, Danske Bank. I think it's kind of similar to maybe the first one, he is asking, you know, to understand the 2023 growth profile. In 2022, the top line grew 32%. How do you see 2023 play develop on volume versus pricing, and also the backlog execution? Simen, will you, answer that?

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

Yeah. We are moving into some sort of guiding here. I'm not guiding, but with the growth, we see that we expect, as I said, we expect growth. We expect to build backlog. We expect to kind of have increased numbers all over the place. I will not kind of say too much about the profitability. The profitability level we have now is quite good. It would be wrong of me to say we expect even more profits, you know, margins, but we will work with the margins. We will work with providing more stable and better operations so we can kind of be more efficient and get more out of what we're doing.

That's obviously a fruit we will work to pick up. In general, I think that we have seen the difference between the three business areas, and then the growth will primarily come within well services. That's a totally different type of business compared to drilling operations and to engineering. You see the Jone showed a chart where you see all the revenue coming from where. Historically, the margins within well services has been much higher than the other areas and that's gonna continue.

If we are able to scale better and grow the company better in that area, we will certainly see also growth on the EBITDA and revenue and backlog in that area too. Without going into any numbers, we are focusing as you see on the growth side on well services element. That's where we have the biggest potential. Remember some years ago, if you go back to 12, 13, we had actually back then more than $100 million EBITDA from well services, and it dropped through the prices. Of course, we are working. We're probably not gonna get back to that quickly, but we are certainly see that the potential in that area is massive.

If the drilling market picks up both onshore, offshore, shallow water, deep water, so forth, we serve them all with the same type of equipment. If we see the drilling market picking up, you will also see direct impact on the well services market. That's the answer to that.

Gert Haugland
SVP Finance and Investor Relations, Odfjell Technology

Yeah. Okay. Another question from Jurgen. Within engineering, strong profitability in Q4, is this quarter representative for a new pricing level also for 2023, or was Q4 also backed by higher than the rest of the 2022 activity?

Simen Lieungh
CEO, Odfjell Technology

I think that the number, the margin number in the Q4 was high, because of certain elements in that quarter. We see a margin within engineering on the man-hours side, which has normally been between 10%-15%, maybe somewhat more if you can combine with better, with more type of combined type of projects where we do more lump sum. In general, we can, shouldn't be too far to get those kind of margins, but it will be. It will depend on the mix of man hours and projects you actually operate on.

I will not say anything about the number on the margins, but you know, it's a nice level we are now, but I think it's gonna fluctuate around those areas. By combining and be smarter to how to establish and structure the engineering projects, that's the way to do it.

Gert Haugland
SVP Finance and Investor Relations, Odfjell Technology

Yeah. We have one last question from Grunde G. Eriksen, Altitude Capital. He asks, "Can you talk about the relationship between higher revenue in operations year-on-year, and yet you have lower EBITDA and sharply lower margin?" I think, Jon-

Jone Torstensen
CFO, Odfjell Technology

Yeah.

Gert Haugland
SVP Finance and Investor Relations, Odfjell Technology

You want to take that one?

Jone Torstensen
CFO, Odfjell Technology

I can take that. If you look at the EBITDA on operation in Q4, last year it was NOK 47 million, very high, compared to the revenue. The main reason for that is that we have that was very impacted by actuarial estimation, pension estimation, which means that we had paid in too much and get money back in Q4. That's the reason. It's not the. It's a kind of a one-off, which is not normal for the operation.

Gert Haugland
SVP Finance and Investor Relations, Odfjell Technology

Okay.

Jone Torstensen
CFO, Odfjell Technology

Thank you.

Gert Haugland
SVP Finance and Investor Relations, Odfjell Technology

I think that concludes it with the Q&A. Do we have any other questions?

Operator

There are no questions over the phone.

Gert Haugland
SVP Finance and Investor Relations, Odfjell Technology

Okay. I would. Yeah. I would like to just thank everyone for joining the webcast. If you have further, need further information, please contact me, or go to our website. Please get in contact. Thank you.

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