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Earnings Call: Q1 2021

Apr 28, 2021

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

Among retail customers is contributing to strong growth with a significant high percentage growth in retail savings, 33% increase year- by- year, and a 40% growth in P&C and individual life, where onboarding on the Insr portfolio is moving faster than planned, and we have already transferred close to NOK 500 million in annual portfolio premiums by the first quarter. The strong growth and digital activity demonstrates our position as a digital front runner. Regarding individual pension account, Storebrand experienced strong interest from our customers, but low numbers in actual movement in pension accounts in the market. We have, however, seen increased activity on our digital platform from the introduction of individual pension account that has contributed to increased retail sales. It is very satisfactory to see that Storebrand Asset Management is the fastest growing Nordic asset manager in 2020, with a 15.17% growth.

The growth is driven by positive net flow from new sales as well as market returns. We are especially pleased with the strong demand for our private equity solutions from Cubera and our new partnership with infrastructure investments. As presented in 2020, a new growth area for Storebrand is public sector occupational pension, where Storebrand won its first mandates in 2020, transferred into the balance in the first quarter of 2021. This has resulted in a large net increase in defined benefit reserves in the Norwegian business of NOK 7.5 billion in the quarter. Moving to the announcement this morning of the sales of Værdalsbruket. Storebrand has conducted a strategic review of its ownership of AS Værdalsbruket and has entered into an agreement to sell 100% of the shares in AS Værdalsbruket to Fabritius Gruppen AS, fully owned by Gjelsten.

AS Værdalsbruket is the second largest private landowner in Norway, located in Trøndelag County. The main activity are forestry, sawmill, and limestone extraction. Storebrand has owned AS Værdalsbruket since 1935, and we are pleased to have found a new owner who wants to preserve and further develop the business in a good and sustainable way. The transaction is estimated to have a positive impact of approximately NOK 500 million on Storebrand's group result in the second quarter 2021 and add 2 percentage points to Storebrand's group's solvency ratio also in the second quarter. Completion of the transaction is expected to take place ultimo May 2020. And with that, I give the word to our CFO, Lars Løddesøl.

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

Thank you, Odd Arild. Good morning, everyone. The first quarter 2021 was a satisfactory quarter with NOK 870 million in group profit and NOK 671 million in operating profit. Revenues were up and costs under control. Insurance results were generally on the weak side. More details on that in a moment. Due to a higher tax charge in the quarter, earnings- sorry. With the increased interest rate level in the quarter, we are now entirely out of the transitional solvency capital, and the underlying solvency is up by 10 percentage points to 176%. Due to a higher tax charge in the quarter, earnings per share after tax adjusted for amortization is on the weak side. I will revert to this. Despite the significant rise in interest rates, we have been able to maintain most of the customer buffers in Norway and actually increase them in Sweden.

This is due to good returns, the asset liability match in Sweden, and a large portfolio of bonds at amortized cost in Norway. The solvency of Storebrand is now without transitional capital. The solvency has strengthened by 10 percentage points to 176% in the quarter, primarily resulting from higher long-term interest rates. This is somewhat below analysts' expectations, which may be attributed to a negative impact from symmetric equity stress and other regulatory changes. Furthermore, strong business growth in the public sector and the bank dilutes the solvency position initially, but is solvency, is positive to solvency generation over time. The regulatory solvency is down by 2 percentage points as we no longer benefit from transitional capital. The underlying solvency is up 10 percentage points to 176%. The sensitivities show strong resilience to further market development.

The solvency position is more robust as the UFR is lower and the equity stress is higher. It means that it's easier to invest at the solvency discount curve, and that a potential fall in the equity markets will be neutralized by a lower equity stress factor. Fee and administration income is up 9%, adjusted for currency movements. The insurance result is significantly better than last year, but negatively impacted by seasonal swings and some one-offs. Costs remain under control despite growth related to the acquisition of the Insr portfolio and acceleration in digital investments, as communicated on our Capital Markets Day in December last year. The most noteworthy item on this table is the non-payable tax charge of 41%. We have currency hedged part of the investment in our Swedish operation. Accounting-wise, the value of our investment in SPP will fluctuate with the Swedish kroner, Norwegian kroner currency cross.

This does not have tax implications. The currency hedge, however, is a taxable financial instrument. In the first quarter last year, we got a tax income from a stronger Swedish kroner. In the first quarter this year, we saw the opposite effect. Furthermore, under IFRS, we have to account for a tax liability on Swedish real estate investments, despite the fact that this will never lead to any actual taxes being paid by SPP. This has a negative effect of NOK 44 million in the quarter, it will have limited effect from here on. The underlying normalized tax rate for the Storebrand Group remains at 19%-22%. In the lower table on this slide, we find the same group figures as on the previous page, broken into our three result segments: savings, insurance, and guaranteed. Savings show strong growth.

Insurance is significantly up from last year, below our ambitions and market expectations. Guaranteed shows a good quarter after strong financial results from the Swedish operation. Other contains the operating cost in the holding company, as well as company portfolios and debt expenses. Continued strong growth and good cost control drives improving operating profit in savings. The weak financial result in the first quarter of 2020 was related to the market turmoil caused by COVID-19. The financial result this quarter is slightly above expectations. All underlying business areas show significant improvements from last year. Unit linked Sweden includes a special income element of NOK 36 million. The result in asset management has been reduced by NOK 26 million in performance related expenses due to good relative performance in many of our active funds.

Earned, but not booked income amount to NOK 73 million and will be booked in the fourth quarter. The fixed result, i.e. The result without performance related income or expenses, is NOK 181 million, the strongest on record. This picture illustrates continued good premium growth, a 33% growth in reserves and unit linked, as well as 19% growth in asset management. A combination of strong sales, structural growth, and good market returns drive the growth. If it had not been for the stronger Norwegian kroner in the quarter, assets under management would have passed a cool NOK 1 trillion. The bank once again, is once again growing after a period with flat development. The margin is satisfactory given the low interest rate environment. The insurance area also shows good growth in premium income. Operational cost is up primarily as a consequence of the acquisition of the Insr portfolio last year.

Claims are negatively affected by a negative periodization effect in SPP of NOK 28 million. In P&C, we traditionally have larger seasonal claims in the winter, which is also reflected in the results this year. Furthermore, the weak employment market continues to reduce reactivation, i.e. it's more difficult for people on long-term sick leave to find a way back into the workforce. The latter situation is an industry-wide problem and is expected to, or nationwide problem, and is expected to continue for at least the next quarter. We expect a return to normal reactivation levels when the pandemic, hopefully, is under control in the second half of the year. The result in P&C and individual life is strongly up from last year.

Health and Group Life is weak due to disability and low reactivation, while the pension related disability insurance Nordic is hurt by both the periodization issue and lack of reactivation mentioned above. The COVID-19 related reserve strengthening we made in the first quarter last year remains untouched and creates a cushion for long-term health effects from the pandemic, as well as potential permanent changes in disability claims patterns. Here we see that the combined ratio ended at 98%, above the targeted 90%-92%, following the issues commented on the previous page. There is strong growth in P&C insurance and individual life, with 40% growth in portfolio premiums. This is partly explained by the takeover of the Insr portfolio, but also successful development in our partnerships.

We are ahead of the business case for the takeover of the Insr portfolio, and we are now targeting around NOK 700 million in new premiums to be moved to Storebrand by the summer. The Insr portfolio is onboarded on satisfactory tariffs, and we see no adverse claims development.

Guaranteed shows satisfactory development in operating profit and strong profit sharing from the Swedish operation. Defined benefit in Norway is weak due to risk results impacted by higher disability claims and low reactivation. Guaranteed product Sweden show good results after realizing high financial returns in the quarter, in particular related to a sale of a property that generated a nice book profit. The small reduction in reserves in this picture is a result of two major elements. First, we have taken on around NOK 7.5 billion in public sector assets after winning several public sector customers as of January 1st. This is good growth. The other major factor is a weaker Swedish kroner, reducing the value of the Swedish kroner assets as measured in Norwegian kroner. The third element worth to notice is that Euroben has been reclassified from a subsidiary under other to Guaranteed products in Sweden.

The reserves of Euroben are around NOK 10 billion and profitable and with low risk to shareholders. Due to higher interest rates in the quarter, buffer capital is in the form of market value adjustment reserves and excess value of bonds at amortized cost has gone down. At the same time, we have managed to build reserves in additional statutory reserves and conditional bonuses in Sweden. The healthy buffers we had coming into the year reduced the negative results, the result effect of higher rates in line with the strategy and the risk management policy. The higher rates have been used to extend the maturity profile of our bond portfolios to reduce interest rate risk and manage reinvestment risk. The balance sheet is stronger than ever, and guaranteed reserves as a percentage of total pension reserves continue to fall.

After the closure of BenCo and the transfer of Euroben to SPP, what remains in the other segment are the company portfolios of around NOK 32 billion and the holding company senior debt and life company sub-debt of about NOK 11 billion in total. The financial result is negatively impacted this quarter by NOK 35 million due to repurchase of EUR 50 million of subordinated bonds, which will reduce the interest rate expenses going forward. One subsidiary remains in these figures, and that is Værdalsbruket. I can already now guide you on extremely good results under this segment in the second quarter. To sum it up, to sum it all up, the first quarter of 2021 is a quarter that demonstrates continued strong growth in our strategic core, strong financial risk management that supports both superior returns to our clients and resilience to volatility in financial markets, and a strong balance sheet.

And with that, I give the word back to you, Daniel.

Daniel Sundahl
Head of Investor Relations & Rating, Storebrand

Thank you, Lars, and thank you, Odd Arild. With that, we will open up for Q&A. I give the word to the conference call operator.

Operator

We start with Peter Eliot from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Peter Eliot
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thank s very much. Good morning, all. The first one was on solvency. I was wondering, could you just give us an idea of how far you currently are from Transitionals kicking in? Maybe how far interest rates would have for you did get Transitionals back or something like that. Very helpful. Second one was on today's divestment. I'm wondering if there are any other similar assets you've got that might potentially be looked at for strategic review in the future, and also whether there's any tax implications, either from today's sale or any sort of possible future sales. The third one was on Insr. You said it was going faster than planned. I'm just wondering, are you able to update us at this stage on what premiums you sort of expect to ultimately receive from it?

And maybe if I can very, very cheeky squeeze in a fourth one, just on what you were saying, Lars, just now, your explanation of the sort of weak employment market and low reactivation rate impacting the results. I just- That comment seemed quite similar to the reasons that you gave last year for the reserve strengthening. So, I'm just struggling to reconcile the comment that the reserve increases are sufficient, but they're still dragging on the results. I probably missed something, and there's probably slightly different effects, but if you could explain that'd be very helpful. Thank you very much.

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

Peter, unfortunately the first part of your question disappeared in some technical issues on our side, but I heard the last question, and I will try to reply to that, and then you unfortunately have to repeat the first question. But on reactivation, it's correct that the explanation of weak disability results in the third, fourth quarter last year, as well in the first quarter this year, is similar, i.e., as long as the situation continues with a weak employment market as a consequence of the pandemic, and a lot of Norway, and Oslo in particular, is basically all closed currently, we will expect weaker reactivation levels.

However, the reserves that we set aside in the first quarter last year were for the long-term health effects of COVID-19, i.e., people will have long-term sick effects, not just temporary sick effects, and furthermore, that there will be changes in the long-term disability claims patterns in society. We set aside extra reserves for the long-term effects of COVID-19, but the fact that we have lower reactivation on a temporary basis as long as the pandemic lasts is something that we are taking on in the results every quarter.

Peter Eliot
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Perfect. The other questions I asked were, firstly, on solvency, how far you are from the Transitionals kicking in. The second one was on today's divestment that you announced, I'm wondering whether you've got any other similar assets which you could potentially sell, and also whether there's any tax implications, either from today's sale or possibly any future ones. The third one was on Insr. You said it was going faster than planned. And I was wondering if you now had a view on what the ultimate amount of premiums that you might get from that business is. Thank you very much.

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

Okay, if we start with how far we are away from Transitionals, I think you can see that on page 10 in the analyst presentation, that if interest rates were to fall by 50 basis points, we would get about 11 percentage points of transitional capital back into the regulatory solvency. So I guess that's the best answer I can give, not exactly in terms of basis points, because it will depend on the whole curve and a couple of other factors.

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

When it comes to Værdalsbruket, unfortunately, I cannot say that we have a lot of these type of assets. It's been a long history with Værdalsbruket. It's been owned by Storebrand since 1935. We have, of course, followed that investment very closely, and I think now is the right time to sell it and give it to a new owner. I see it as a very good sale from Storebrand, NOK 500 million in result and a 2% point in increase in solvency that will come into place in the second quarter. But you should not expect us to have more of these type of assets.

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

And on the tax side, there's no tax implication from the sale. It's tax exempt under Norwegian tax law.

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

And on the total Insr takeover, as I mentioned, we expect to take over most of the portfolio by the summer, and it will probably end up in excess of NOK 700 million in portfolio premiums.

Peter Eliot
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

The next questions come from Ashik Musaddi from J.P. Morgan. Please go ahead, your line is now open.

Ashik Musaddi
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Thank you and good morning, Lars, and good morning, Odd. Just a few questions I have is. First of all, how do we think about the solvency ratio hurdle of 180%? Given that you have raised solvency debt into this quarter, does this mean that that debt will be part of that 180% hurdle going forward as well? In the past, you mentioned that you don't want to return extra capital, which is supported by debt issuance. That's my first question. The second question would be, can you just give some more thoughts about the movement in solvency ratio in the quarter? Because it was lower than expected, and it was largely driven by this equity stress and model adjustment, et cetera. Can you give a bit more color on that as to why was it very different from the sensitivities that had been provided?

So just so as to understand, and we don't get it wrong in the future. That would be the second question. The third one would be, any thoughts on this individual pension account, which has been introduced this year? I mean, how should we think about margin development going forward? Shall we be expecting 1 basis point decline a year in terms of revenue margin or 2 basis point? Any color on that would be very helpful. The reason why I'm trying to get a bit more color is given that you would have already seen some impact in first quarter. So, any thoughts around the annual view would be great. Thank you.

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

If I start on the solvency ratio, I think what we have said that there should not be a material impact from transitional rules when we look at 180%. The debt refinancing and debt subordinated debt are absolutely full part of our solvency ratio, and there are no conditions around that. We have a strong solvency ratio of 176% now, and we of course aim to be in position as we have talked about to start share buybacks hopefully in 2022.

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

I should say that the subordinated debt that we have issued now is part of the capital management framework. And it does not, there is no deduction in terms of solvency level for share buybacks. It's part of an appropriate and good capital management structure of the group, and absolutely no negative effect, quite the opposite, on the ability to do share buybacks and regular dividends.

Ashik Musaddi
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Yes. Thank you.

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

In terms of the movement, there will always be some model and assumption changes relating to the changes in the business, and it's difficult to predict exactly what they're going to be beforehand, because as soon as we build them into the model or the business changes, it will lead to model and assumption changes. And in this quarter, they amount to approximately 2 percentage point negative. On the regulatory changes, there's a small uplift from VA, but the UFR is lower. The fact that the UFR is lower hits the solvency approximately 3 percentage points. But it must be also said, or repeated, that with a lower UFR, it's easier to reach financial return above the discount rate in the solvency model, which means that we will create more solvency capital over time.

Thirdly, the equity stress was up quite strongly this quarter, partly because of the way it's structured that based on European equity markets. European equity markets did well this quarter. That means that the equity stress goes up more than would be indicated by world equity markets, where we are more invested towards a MSCI World basket, whilst equity stress, symmetric equity stress in the, under EIOPA is more based on the European markets. So I think that probably explains most of a... That's about 5 percentage points in terms of negative impact.

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

I just want to stress that I really feel that the movement in the solvency in the quarter is strong, and the negative effect is actually also on the long term very positive for us, because the equity stress now reaches the level where it's not going to be increased much more. The reduced UFR means that the hurdle rate going forward is reduced and will create faster solvency generation. On top of that, the very strong business growth is as we have shown with very high double digit return on equity. It's very profitable. Of course, at 180% solvency level, it will have some watering out the solvency ratio in itself, but it's the best way of creating value for the group long term. I feel it's a strong set of solvency ratios, and the negative elements is all for the good causes.

We show the picture on the Capital Markets Day indicating that the bank solvency is 110%-120%, that the unit-linked business 140%-160%. That means that when you add more business in these areas, and you blend it into 180% or 176% solvency, you get the dilution effect day one. As Lars says, it does create more solvency creation going forward. It's profitable growth for Storebrand, and it over time will reduce the need to have 180% in order to do share buybacks or special dividends. As indicated on the Capital Markets Day, that could go down in a few years' time.

When it comes to the Individual Pension Account, as I said in my presentation, there has been limited transfers in the market altogether. We will see gradually the pension capital certificates during the year be included in the Individual Pension Account. And as we said on our Capital Markets Day, that will reduce, as we see it, the result element from Defined Contribution Norway altogether with around NOK 100 million in 2022. There is a strong growth in the portfolio, and already in 2023, we expect to be at the same level in result generation from this portfolio as we see this year and last year. Of course, strong growth in combination with very strict cost control will lead to a situation with continued growth in this portfolio after the NOK 100 million dump in the road, so to say, in 2022.

Ashik Musaddi
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Yeah, that's clear. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Håkon Astrup from DNB Markets. Please go ahead, your line is now open

Håkon Astrup
Analyst, DNB Markets

Hi, good morning. Two questions from me. The first question on insurance. Do I understand you correctly that you think it will be difficult to reach your combined ratio target of 90%-92% in 2021, given the headwinds that you expect on disability? That was the first question.

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

No, we still aim to reach 90%-92% in combined ratio for the full year. As you saw last year as well, we had a bad first quarter, but, then we had a couple of quarters in the mid 80s. We made up for the shortfall in the first quarter.

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

Should also add that, of course, the strong growth in the portfolios now comes in with that cost initially, but during the year, we will have much more income from the portfolios, and then we also will have better reserve generations, especially on the individual lines in the P&C during the year.

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

We're also constantly monitoring the profitability in the different product lines and making adjustments where needed.

Håkon Astrup
Analyst, DNB Markets

Perfect. That was very clear. The second question, a bit more high level one, and that is on the bank. How do you see the position of Storebrand Bank going forward, given a potential murder, merger, sorry, between S banken and DNB?

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

Hope it's not a murder. But, no, of course this Sbanken has been a digital forerunner in the banking market in Norway. It's highest customer satisfaction in the market. I think an acquisition of Sbanken from DNB open up the space for other digital based banks as Storebrand Bank. Of course, we are very eager to take our unfair share of the growth in the banking market to expand our retail position that are in very strong growth, as we see from the numbers this quarter. And we look very forward to meet that opportunity. You see that the growth in this quarter of 4 percent points, more than NOK 2 billion in growth of the loan portfolio, that is a good start of the continuing growth and development of Storebrand Bank.

Håkon Astrup
Analyst, DNB Markets

Thank you. Just to follow up. How do you see a potential of the different strategic options for Storebrand Bank going forward?

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

What do you mean with strategic options?

Håkon Astrup
Analyst, DNB Markets

Yeah, meaning that in the past you have talked about that you say that you could, for instance, go into partnership with other banks or et cetera. Do you still feel that Storebrand Bank works best on its own?

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

We, of course, always follow the market very closely, but we feel that having the bank operation together with the insurance operations and the saving setup in our retail business, that gives us the opportunity to have the best solutions for different groups of customers. Adding these types of products together in good value propositions for our customers and having a fully owned bank, that doesn't need to be the largest bank in the market, but needs to be a good bank solution, especially on the savings side, together with our savings strategy. That is important. We are very happy with Storebrand Bank and are happy to grow it organically from the point we are today.

Håkon Astrup
Analyst, DNB Markets

Thank you very much.

Operator

The next question comes from Ulrik Årdal Zürcher from Nordea. Please go ahead, your line is now open.

Ulrik Årdal Zürcher
Analyst, Nordea

Thank you. Congratulations with a fantastic inflow momentum. Really happy to see that. T wo questions, the first one is, you had a negative unit link transfer balance in Sweden two quarters in a row now, and it's been years since you had that. Is there anything specifically going on in that market we should be aware of, or why have you been losing some business there? Second question, I was just wondering if it would be possible to be a bit more specific on the P&C claims ratio that was up, I think 14 percentage point Q on Q. Was this driven by the cold winter in Norway or product mix given your new business? What was the driver there? Thank you.

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

On the negative unit link balance in Sweden, we see especially one competitor that offers quite high compensation for transfers in the Swedish market. We've seen some transfers to one competitor in particular due to high compensation from them. That's a very costly growth strategy, and we've implemented measures to counter that, and we continue to have high ambitions for a positive transfer balance over time in Sweden. On P&C claims, in addition to normal seasonality swings in the winter, there was also a run -off loss for motor in the quarter of NOK 15 million which is a... That was more negative than we've seen in the past. Hopefully that was a one-off run-off loss.

Ulrik Årdal Zürcher
Analyst, Nordea

Great. Thanks a lot.

Operator

The next question come from Blair Stewart from Bank of America. Please go ahead, your line is now open.

Blair Stewart
Analyst, Bank of America

Thanks very much, and thanks for the earlier answers. I've only got a couple of small questions left. Firstly, in the DB fee segments, I just wonder why the fee income wasn't any higher on a quarter-on-quarter basis, given that you've taken in the transfer balance from the public sector. Was it just simply too early to see any benefit of that, or is there something else going on? Secondly, the loss of the group life contract, which was about NOK 275 million in premiums. I just wonder if you can talk a little bit about that and what the, if any, P&L effect of that is. I'm assuming because it's left you that it wasn't very profitable, but perhaps not. And finally, just on the pension-related disability line, I think you took a NOK 28 million hit from Sweden.

Was that just an error in the previous quarter that had to be rectified, or was it something else? Thank you.

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

Good questions, Blair. On the DB fee income, we, the old DB portfolio is in run-off, so that goes down with premiums going down as well. But then we have the public sector funds that came into this portfolio, the way we book it in the quarter. And unfortunately, not all of the income relating from that portfolio has been fully recognized in the quarter, simply due to the fact that we're taking on board this currently, and some of the fee income related to that will be booked in the second quarter. That's only like the takeover procedure has a delay in the fee income recognition. Your question is accurate and well spotted.

On the group life loss of this one particular client, the reason why we lost it is because we priced it in a way that should provide profits, and it has not been very profitable for us. Losing an unprofitable client is acceptable, and it does lead to lower premiums, so we do have to adjust somewhat on the cost side, but very limited. It should not have any significant P&L, nor balance sheet impacts in the short, medium, or at all. On the NOK 28 million in Sweden, we were on disability or sick leave claims in Sweden. We booked NOK 28 million too much, or a positive result, which was NOK 28 million higher than it should have been due to a technical error during last year. That has been reversed now.

It was still very profitable with disability insurance in Sweden last year, but NOK 28 million less profitable than what can be seen from the accounts of last year. That has now been rectified, and we do expect continued positive results from this business line in Sweden, going forward.

Blair Stewart
Analyst, Bank of America

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question in this meeting, please press star one on your telephone keypad. We have a question from Vegard Toverud from Pareto Securities. Please go ahead, your line is now open.

Vegard Toverud
Analyst, Pareto Securities

Thank you. I have three questions. First, on Værdalsbruket. Should you disclose the sales price or confirm that you have booked it around NOK 60 million in your account?

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

We can confirm that the sales price are a little bit higher than NOK 800 million and that means that the booked, the booking in our account was a little bit less than NOK 300 million. But the reason why you ask about NOK 60 million is probably because it's been booked partly in Storebrand ASA and partly in Storebrand Life.

Vegard Toverud
Analyst, Pareto Securities

Yeah. So, as far as I could tell this morning, it was a little lower, but we could follow up with that maybe on email later on. On the transfer marketing teams also that the net transfers on DC in Norway are quite negative compared to what it used to be. Is there any change in the competitive environment? Who are you losing premiums to here?

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

It was very tough competition last year on defined contribution contracts in the Norwegian market, ahead of, I guess, a positioning ahead of the IPA, the individual pension account market. No, sorry. The own pension account market. We did lose some contracts in the fourth quarter that were booked in the transfer balance now.

Vegard Toverud
Analyst, Pareto Securities

Is it possible to say where these premiums are going, to which competitor?

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

Well, they went to different competitors, but I don't know.

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

No, I think it was a lot of different. Mandates and tender offering from all the different competitors-

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

Yeah.

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

last year. We won some and we lost some. It's, of course, all the large players in the market that both had some losses and some gains on that with DNB and Nordea maybe as the largest competitors to us in this market.

Vegard Toverud
Analyst, Pareto Securities

Okay. Thank you. And then lastly, as you expect also low reactivation next quarter, is that already in the accounts or have you provisioned for it now, or should we expect also lower result the next quarter?

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

No, I would expect reactivation to be low until the employment market normalizes somewhat. As long as Norway is closed, we expect lower reactivation and lower disability results in the second quarter. But as I mentioned, when the whole service industry and those kind of industries open up again, hotels, traveling, restaurants and cafes and bars, hopefully that will open up sometime during the summer or at least in the third quarter. That should pull away a lot of that lack of reactivation that we've seen in the last few quarters. We try to reserve for the long-term effects, but the short-term implication on reactivation has not been reserved for. It leads to an expected weak result, but not losses.

Vegard Toverud
Analyst, Pareto Securities

Okay. Could you then just potentially give some details on which lines will this hit the group life and the DC related pension and insurance and also some in the guaranteed segments?

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

Well, that's what we've seen historically, that we've had both in some of the group life contracts, in the DB contracts, as well as the disability in Norway linked to defined contribution contracts.

Vegard Toverud
Analyst, Pareto Securities

Thank you very much. That was very clear.

Operator

The next questions come from Peter Eliot from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead, your line is now open.

Peter Eliot
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Thanks a lot for the opportunity to come back. I have three more questions, please. The first one was, Swedish unit linked. The fee margin was very high this quarter, 89 basis points. I'm just wondering if there was anything particular that was driving that. And then I guess given your comments about needing to be a bit more competitive, might that put a bit of pressure on that going forward, or how should we think about that? That'd be great. The second one, also in Sweden, you posted a very strong solvency ratio, at 111%. I guess that just means that the income you already talked about should be more secure without meaning you can go up to the next level. Any comments you can make on that would be very helpful. Does it give you any more flexibility or what does that mean for you?

The third one, just on the asset management net flows, obviously very strong across the group. Would you be able to split those into Storebrand and SKAGEN? Any thoughts on the outlook there, pipeline you are seeing, how that might develop, would be very helpful. Thank you very much.

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

Okay. On the Swedish unit link margin, you're right, it was 89%, but it includes a one-off transaction fee of NOK 36 million. Adjusted for that, it's 0.78. That's in line with the slow decline in the margin in Swedish unit link over time. If you make that adjustment, you will see a normalized development. On consolidation of 111%, you're correct. It ensures that we will get the indexation fee going forward. It was booked with NOK 37 million in this quarter, and it includes one more small portfolio in addition to the one that you have in your spreadsheet. You should expect that to be slightly higher than it has been in the past. But you're correct, the next level before we get a significant jump in further indexation fee is at approximately 120%, so that's much higher up.

It ensures that we will get the indexation fee, and it's slightly more than it has been.

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

When it comes to the flow in asset management, as you say, it's a very strong flow numbers altogether, and of course, on the Storebrand side, an example with a NOK 7.5 billion in transfer in the public sector is a very positive flow in our captive asset management business. The very strong growth also come from alternatives, and especially Cubera on our real estate side, and we also now started doing very positive business with infrastructure. These elements are the main drivers on the external side for the growth together with, of course, our bread-and-butter business in asset management that goes to institutional players. When it comes to more active business like active funds like SKAGEN and also Delphi, we now see a very strong return.

That's also, as Lars said, we have very positive performance fees that is not booked, but we have to take, of course, the cost on a quarterly basis. We have a very positive outlook when it comes to our active mandates due to the strong relative and absolute performance we see in these mandates going forward. The main drivers for the growth is, as you understand, the growth in Storebrand as it comes from our captive business, but also very much external business due to alternatives.

Peter Eliot
Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we will do a last reminder. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. We do have another one in the queue already, and that is from Thomas Svendsen from SEB. Please go ahead, line is now open.

Thomas Svendsen
Analyst, SEB

Yes, good morning. Just a follow-up on the asset management flow there. Your longstanding ESG profile, how do you think that will benefit you for the next couple of years? It is so that everybody is green now, so you will not get any extraordinary mandates as a result of your ESG profile. Secondly, on the public pension side, what is the potential of pipeline for flow of funds from the public sector in the next couple of years? Thank you.

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

Well, thank you. We feel that we are perfectly placed in the market with our ESG profile for our asset management. Being performing this kind of asset management now in more than 25 years gives us a very strong position for ESG mandates. That is of course important for all our business. We see that the Nordic growth and international growth in special is absolutely important with the ESG solutions we can offer to the market. It's a very broad range of it from index funds that are very much ESG linked without high tracking errors to specialized funds very focused on ESG. That is a very strong sales point together with the return in the portfolios and funds of course, and especially in the international growth that we have a breakthrough when it comes to international mandates last year.

We see this as a very important point going forward. When it comes to the public market, of course, that is divided into different parts. Of course, public companies, that is an ongoing process and we see large interest and flow into the business on an ongoing basis based on discussions for public companies. The mere municipality market that has an opening in the end of the year. That is autumn type of business. We are now working on our own dialogue with different municipalities, and it is too early to say how large this market will be at the autumn of 2022. But there is positive, 2021, but there is positive discussions around these mandates.

Thomas Svendsen
Analyst, SEB

Okay, thank you very much.

Operator

And the last question for today is from Jan Erik Gjerland from ABG Sundal Collier. Please go ahead, line is now open.

Jan Erik Gjerland
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Yes, good morning. Sorry if this has been asked before, the DCC in Sweden, could you shed some more light into how it will work going forward? If you expect more contribution from taking back money from the DCC or how should we read your strong performance related earnings in Sweden?

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

I can try, Jan Erik. Yes, I think in expectation given changes in rate levels and how we look now, we would expect somewhat higher recuperation of deferred capital contribution going forward than what you have seen when you look in the rearview mirror.

Jan Erik Gjerland
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Not NOK 100 million every quarter, but sort of a contribution between NOK 0 million and NOK 100 million would be sort of what we should put into our model, so to speak?

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

I think we're going to be careful to guide in the model, but what you do see is that the drag becomes less in the sensitivities, which we publish in the supplementary information. The drag from the low interest rate environment becomes lower each quarter, and that means that we will, on average, have a little bit higher contribution from DCC each quarter. I don't dare to give a number.

Odd Arild Grefstad
CEO, Storebrand

It's a lot of moving parts as you know, of course this quarter very positive on the real estate side as a gain on that part. But of course, equity markets, credit spreads, how the alternatives is behaving on a quarterly basis have an impact on this. But having a lower UFR and a lower hurdle rate helps for getting more positive returns overall going forward.

Jan Erik Gjerland
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Perfect. Just back to the profit sharing and the indexation fees, which is sort of the moving part as well. It touches a little bit upon them and that indexation fees are here to stay maybe a little bit higher as you said. The profit sharing, how does that work when it comes to? Is that on top of the indexation, or how should we read that profit sharing in the different kind of models?

Lars Løddesøl
CFO, Storebrand

Yeah. The profit sharing is in the portfolios with the profit sharing, which is not in the portfolio which has an indexation fee. It works in the way that if you have a return above the guaranteed rate, 90% goes to the policy holder and 10% goes to the shareholder. You can still have profit sharing and indexation fee at the same time, but you need to have sufficient return in the so-called EF portfolios in the Swedish business while the indexation fees is in the defined benefit or the so-called KF portfolios for those who follow us very closely.

Jan Erik Gjerland
Analyst, ABG Sundal Collier

Okay, perfect. Thank you for that clarification. That was all for me.

Operator

There is no further questions in the queue, so I will hand the call back to you. Thank you.

Daniel Sundahl
Head of Investor Relations & Rating, Storebrand

With that, we have come to the end of this quarterly presentation. Thank you very much everyone for attending. We look forward to see you next quarter again. Have a nice day.