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Earnings Call: Q1 2020

May 5, 2020

Speaker 1

Hi, and welcome to Tomra's First Quarter Results Presentation. My name is Bing Zhao, and I'm responsible for Investor Relations in TOMRA. This time, we have had to adapt our reporting to a new digital format with our CEO, present in Switzerland and our CFO, Espen Gunasen and I present in Norway. For those of you watching the webcast, hopefully, you will still get the same seamless experience. Thanks to our webcast crew.

And you will still have the possibility to post questions, which will be addressed towards end of the presentation. Now I would like to hand it over to our CEO, Stefan, to take us through the highlights during the past quarter. Please, Stefan.

Speaker 2

Thank you, Bing, and thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for dialing in and listening to our webcast about the Q1 results. I am waiting a little bit because it seems that the slide I want to have just arrived now. So the Q1 2020 was a good quarter. We experienced top line growth of 11%. However, we have to remember that Norwegian krone had a quite turbulent period.

And if we take adjusted for currency, revenues were up 3% for the group. We had an increase in operating expenses, and that is stemming back to our efforts to invest in future revenues growth, both in ramping up the collection solutions business and building our circular economy activities. This is something that is of strategic importance for Tamra and you can expect us to continue investing and building up exactly these activities where we strive for a global leadership role. Cash was good in the quarter, NOK265 1,000,000 and the earnings EBITA earnings increased with about 10% to SEK28 1,000,000. So one of the highlights of the quarter is definitely that we had strong order intake in Sorting Solutions.

Recycling, mining had already very strong quarter to compare with last year, so they had less of an increase. But food had a good made a good contribution to the growth. And that also led to that we would now have an all time high order backlog in Tomah Sorting Solutions. As you all are aware of, in later part of the quarter, we were hit by the pandemic coronavirus, and I will talk a little bit more about that on the next pages. Please, next page.

But before going into the pandemic, let's just go through the highlights of the quarter. In Collection Solutions, it was a rather uneventful quarter. We had good activity level in Northern Europe and Australia continued to perform well. The other regions were stable, kind of stable. And we had the big exhibition which takes place every 3 years called EuroShop and that took place in February this year.

We were lucky because we still had a lot of attendance from customers from close and far. And we had made quite a, I'd call it, investment in demonstrating our capabilities and our new developments. So the people visiting could see our new multi feed R1 that attracted a lot of interest, but we also demonstrated our digital capabilities, our connectivity and the broad portfolio covering everything from the smallest of stores up to industrial sites. Really interesting and of course, we could also have an opportunity there to visit the industrial players. And I think there was very little doubt that Tamara stood out as the leader both when it comes to innovation and broadness of our offering.

So very happy to experience that. Food had a strong quarter, as I mentioned, in order intake. If you recall back from last year, actually the first and second quarter were a bit slower. So we compare on a lower level too. We have to admit that.

But we did struggle a little bit with the order intake the first and second quarter of NAND Food. Then as of 3rd and 4th quarter, we could see stabilization. And it's now nice for us to experience that the 4th the Q1 2020 also built on that positive trajectory. So that was really, I think, one of the key highlights here. Another, of course, is that our food division got the new leader.

He started in January. His name is Michel Picandig. He comes from the whole food industry, his entire career. So very international, very experienced and both leader and food expert. So that has been a very exciting period for us to experience his onboarding and he is, as we speak, fully in charge.

So that's very nice. We also had in February the fruitlogistika, which is one of the most important food processing exhibitions. This took place in Berlin. And here in the same fashion as Rune talked about Euroshot before, we could really see the full capabilities of Tamra, where we demonstrated the different technology platforms we have, our investments in new sensor and groundbreaking sensor technologies and groundbreaking artificial intelligence applications. So Tomra is definitely also here at the forefront investing in sensing, in artificial intelligence, in digital platforms.

So building on our past strong experience with hardwares. Recycling and Mining also strong quarter, strong order intake. As I said, not as strong growth because they really had a strong quarter, Q1 last year. So we just have to remember that history plays a role here too. And beyond that, not so many events to talk about.

But as you can see on the illustration here, we also are proud of our new artificial intelligence solutions or the machine learning where we can actually sort even more accurately than before. And the machines are now getting quite advanced in finding the smallest of differences between materials that are being sorted, very important for the future of recycling. So with that, I ask you to turn to the next page. I'd like to elaborate a little bit with you about the whole corona virus situation. Actually, we will do that first on the group level and then go through on the division impact.

Obviously, it is something that made us all very uncertain initially. And as a leadership team of Tamra, we have really stepped up our activity level when it comes to how we lead the company, the crisis management. And if we say the following way that before the coronavirus, we used to have one formal meeting every month. Now we have one every week. And in fact, we are talking more frequently.

If we before the virus situation or in pandemic situation used to make a forecast update on a monthly or bimonthly basis, Now we do it on a weekly or biweekly. And that has been important because if I look into the financial planning, it started off with quite a big uncertainty. So if you look at the gap in between which we think of a mean and max in our possible future scenarios, in the beginning that gap was quite big because there were a lot of uncertainties. But as we have progressed and tested the drivers, tested the business indicators, talked with customers, talked with our people, we get better and better understanding for how this will impact the business. And that road that was quite broad in the beginning is now much more narrow, which gives us more confidence in our ability to talk about the business going forward.

We have to remember that we are still fairly new in this situation. So things can change, but we now feel much more confident, much more educated than we did say a month back. Important for us has been really to number one priority, I dare to say, was the whole safety and well-being of our employees. We invested a lot here in making sure that people were protected, setting up home office environment where people physically had to meet. We made clear separations in workforces and took all protective measures you can in order to maintain control of a virus free environment in, say, workshops or labs.

And it has worked out fairly well. We have had in total as of yesterday 6 cases reported in TOMRA of coronavirus infection, 5 are recovered and the 6 are under recovery and there's no crisis there. So, so far we feel that it has been working well. We have also stepped up the communication significantly where we talk frequently with our people, recognizing that they are working in an isolated environment. They have questions.

They have need for information. They have need to connect and feel part of something. And the feedback we get from the employees through our surveys is positive throughout. So in a way, it's been working very well. I'm very pleased with what the people have done on the whole people and organization side here.

Customer, our livelihood, we are that's the reason for us to assist is to handle our customer request and help them solve their problems. Also here, of course, a big shift since you cannot travel and meet customers so much. Also, in a way, initially, a lot of customers were not very available because they clearly had to figure out how to organize and run the business under this new scenario. Meanwhile, we have been able to establish very good dialogues in some ways, maybe even more frequent at least. Maybe saying closest, maybe not the best word, but more frequent dialogues with the customers.

For instance, if I take the food business, we've done 1,000 deep interviews here now to understand the business situation of our customers. So that's quite impressive. We are working with different technologies. The traditional service is continuing and I'm very proud of that has been able to hold up. But we have also deployed a lot of new technologies with virtual tools and I'll talk a little bit more about that later.

Our ability to produce covering our entire supply chain, including our suppliers, our own operations is in a good stage. We had some initial heat caps. You might recall that virus initiated in China that was very much coinciding with the Chinese New Year in a way helped us because we had already buffered a little bit for those components which we sourced from China to make sure that we could cover the Chinese New Year. And as we speak, our Chinese operations are back to 100%. We have full activity level in our European plants As we speak, also there we had some hiccups, but they are recovered.

And only in New Zealand, we have a slight reduction. So we are maybe at 80 instead of 100 percent there, but that doesn't cause any disruption because we have been able to offload that operation a bit with the other network of operations we have. So really, I'm proud to say that we are able to deliver when it comes to the whole shipment. So we have actually been a little bit in proactive shipping to customers in advance, just being cautious so that we are not getting stuck in any importation or transportation issues. So So far very, very good and we have had no serious quality issues when it comes to our order backlog.

The customer want the goods and at maximum there have been minor delays from some customers and very often because of the new plans might have been delayed due to other reasons. But we have been able to honor our obligations and I'm very proud about that. So we are up and running and we have a close to normal operational situation. Obviously, with this kind of completely new economic situation and all the scenarios we are fed with from the external world, a very central part of our activity was really to stress test and try to understand and get the full control of our own situation. And I'm there to say that we have a satisfied situation.

We have taken and we took very early a lot of measures to reduce costs out. So like hiring freeze, stopping investments, all non necessary spending out, travel ban goes not ban, but that travel restriction goes for free almost a year because it's not possible to travel, but also all cash out on consultants. And so we really brutally went in immediately and just kept on that. And then we have planned also for addressing the workforce activity. And we have done some reductions in areas where we need both reduction of people and kurtzabaitur or short time work.

So we have used the tools which are there, at the same time trying to be careful with our employees, finding the right balance here. And I feel we are on a good track there. So we are better in control of our financial outlook than we were in the beginning. And we see that, it's not a disaster here, and I'll come back a little bit to why. We're also preparing for recovery.

We see there would be a world after coronavirus. And we want we have a clear strategy. We want to head with TOMRA. We haven't altered that one. So it's more navigating through these lumpy waters now.

And we ring fence important developments when it comes to new market development, circular economy, ramp up when we need that, sensor developments, digital developments. We haven't stopped that. There's even more need for our services in the future, and we continue to invest in that. So we try to do the right things here, cutting where is possible and has an immediate effect and do not disturb the long term strategic plan, which we have laid out for the company. With that, I ask you to go to the next page.

This illustrates what has been the implication of our coronavirus for collection solutions. So if we just start with a customer base in collection solution, most of the customers are retail. Retail continues in, I think, all markets to operate and pretty robust resilient during such a crisis situation. People will continue to eat food like before. They would probably eat less from hotels, restaurants and catering, also partly because that's been closed.

But so they would go more to retail. So our retail customers are operating with strong demand, meaning that we have a strong customer, cash rich customer and the demand activity is high. And actually, in a way, we can see also a snapshot of this on the graph, which we have up on the left side here. So this graph where you see 3 lines. 1 is a flat line, 1 is the pink, which shows a dip and return.

And one is a lighter blue, which is showing a dip where it stays down for a longer period of time. That is illustration of the activity level on our reverse vending machines. You know that out of our 83,000 machines we have installed in the world, most of our machines are actually connected today. So we have instant feedback on the activity level. It's almost like if you think of a flight tracker, we can see what's happening in the air.

Obviously, it's not very much on the flight tracker today. Here you can see it's not happening on the TOMRA RVM tracker. So the RVM tracker tells us that in the European part of the world, the volume development is it's a stable situation. The pink line indicates Australia, where we had a dip. But we can also see that in this case, New South Wales in Queensland, we have recovered from that dip.

We are back into the original scenario. So there was a dip where people were afraid of using or there was some restriction in the movement of people, but that has recovered. We do, however, still have a challenge in parts of North America. So that is the lighter blue one where you can see the volume has gone down there. And that's also where we have been forced to take most of our measures when it comes to cost adjustments.

So this is really our online tool basis. We could even do hourly. We have full understanding what's happening in our RVMs. And with that, we also much quicker than ever in the past are able to adjust for any scenarios, a positive or a negative scenario. And we are using that.

And this is something part of our internal management platform tools. When it comes to new deposit markets, Scotland has indicated they have now submitted their final DRS regulations to the Scottish Parliament. And we expect the legislation to pass in this year and that in July 1st July 2022, the scheme would go live. So that's a step forward now, slightly delayed from the original planning they indicated to us, but now things seems to be on the move again. Western Australia is, as you know, done deal.

They have decided they have gone out for a tender process and everything clear. There was a disruption in the start up. So they're talking about starting up the system either by November 2020 or by June 2021 depending on the coronavirus. So there's no disturbance from legislation or things like that. This is purely adjusting the start update due to the virus outbreak.

And very positive, I'm happy to say is that the Netherlands have communicated that they will introduce a deposit on smaller plastic bottles as of July 1, 2021. There has been a system in place in Hollands for a long period of time for bottles objects bigger than 1 liter and now they will also cover the smaller bottles. We think that is just wonderful news. It's great for building up a more sustainable and more circular economy oriented economy in Europe and in this case in Netherlands. So we're very happy about that.

Beyond that, our operation, I think, you have covered a lot. Important is, again, to remember that these customers we have, the retail, it's business essential, it's business society critical services. They do continue. Therefore, we have to continue to support them. We see where we have the activity level, as I talked about the graph before.

So what we have learned much more is to do online sales and that's really working nicely. Our field service needs to continue to operate. We do that. We have live status on the machines, as I talked about, and our production is able to operate and it's continuing. And then, of course, we have worked a little bit about touch free RVM concept so that people are not concerned about the spread from that point of view.

So the business is in a good shape. And I think the team has responded in a most fantastic way when it comes to how to handle the whole situation. And we are very delighted about the progress, especially here with the Netherlands introducing GRS on small bottles. With that, I would like to move to talking about the next page, which is food. And in the food business, again, we are lacking Tamara because food business is also a business critical and essential or society critical and essential business.

We cannot just stop producing food. People need to eat. The trees doesn't stop growing apples because there's a coronavirus. They need to be processed. If you have planted an acre of new farmland, you need to process that independent on a virus situation or not.

So if we think that there would be a stop here in the food, we think wrong. Food will need to continue. Certainly, there would be disruptions. And the food situation, the food processes have gone through quite a test here and I'll talk a little bit about that. But this is an industry that is in itself resilient expect for some short term hiccups.

And if we just look at what we have experienced in this period, so when it comes to production of food that goes through both harvesting and processing, when you package it, sort it and so on. Here, the biggest challenge for our customers have been the access to labor. When for instance migrants cannot come in, seasonal workers coming in from cross bordering to help out. That has been for years national pool of resources for the farming industry. And when that is disrupted, that caused a disruption for them.

So their supply is under pressure. They are at some points even not able to fully harvest what they should. So that's what a COVID would have grown. So that has been one of the challenges. I think it's getting better.

The politicians have been able to understand the challenges and take measures around it. But it's been for sure one of the challenges here. Next has been the whole distribution. So if you take U. S, for instance, I understand about 50% of the food consumption is channeled through hotel, restaurants, catering.

That sector has been completely shut down. So people have to turn back to traditional ways of cooking food, how we have cooked food for 1,000 of years to cook at home. But the processes have not been necessarily all ready for that. So they some of them were really focusing on the whole rig car sector and then there's a shift. Obviously, this is a very innovative, a strong sector.

So they are able to change, but it takes some time. And also logistics has been under pressure, especially shipping of fresh producers cross borders. We have seen lines of trucks crossing borders, trying to cross borders in Europe, for instance, and for some product types that can be devastating. We have also seen as a result of Horika shutdown, we have seen the demand for some categories of food being reduced, for instance, French fries, which is widely sold over McDonald's and the like, that demand is down. And also especially the North American region where Horika has such a big part of the whole food value system.

That's the most challenged area we have for the time being. Also the consumption, people continue to eat. They will go more to retail, as we have talked about before. But some of the people have actually forgotten how to cook. So it's also a challenge here.

So the food industry really has to retrain them. What our grandmother used to teach us has unfortunately been lost in the new fast moving world. And hopefully, we'll come back with that as people learn again. We have used a lot of very innovative ways to handle the customer side. We have virtual tests, been doing fantastic.

We have so we are selling through using virtual testing. We have used virtual support for installations and we are doing more and more remote support to our customers when

Speaker 3

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Speaker 2

performance measures. And so it's really interesting. So what we would anyway would have had to do in terms of transforming to digital to more remote tool sets is now catapulting forwards. We get the capitalization here through the virus. So as a company, when I'm on that note, it's not only bad that we have these challenges.

We will also draw a lot of new learnings and can accelerate some of the initiatives we have been striving for and having on the strategic agenda for a long time. Now is the time to push the bottom and go on. So I think Tomura will actually be somewhat a different company, more agile and a bit smarter after the crisis. So it helps us to become better also. We just need to endure this difficult phase now.

With that, let's go over and talk a little bit about the recycling and mining business. Recycling and mining, again, I dare to say, society critical, essential business. We need to continue handling waste. People continue to generate waste that needs to be picked up from the homes, that needs to be processed, and that business is ongoing. So our customer in this case, they don't talk about the crisis.

They might have challenges when it comes to how they operate their fleet of trucks and plants. And they might need more automation or more automation to have less people in the plants, but they don't talk about crisis. They have long term contracts and they work through that. So if we look at, for instance, the municipal solid waste and the plastic upgrading, which you see on the left side here, that these together makes about 70% of the recycling business these 2 and they we experienced very robust business situation there, driven by legislation, driven by the need to invest in new infrastructure and also driven by the whole sustainable packaging initiatives of the fast moving consumer goods companies. And we see that is not debated.

That is continued. That's a wave that will not stop because of corona. Now people recognize we need to be smarter. We need to be more sustainable. Our consumers will not reward a company that do not provide smart and more sustainable solutions in the future.

So that's a trend what we see is continuing and we can clearly experience this year. But there are also sectors where we are affecting negatively. And definitely in the metal sector, where our customers metal scrap yards and the like, which will then process the metal into material that can be reused for instance, car manufacturing. Certainly, that sector is down. The whole commodity price sector is down.

Look at oil, metals. And of course, that also affects their business dramatically. So that sector is clearly challenged today. And the mining sector, even though we haven't seen too much challenges until now, we expect that one also to be a bit challenged. So 70% of the recycling and mining business is in a good stage with the municipal solid waste, the plastic upgrading doing well.

Metal is definitely a challenge. We expect mining also to be challenged. But I have to say until now we've been blessed as we go well there. And as I said, if we now go to the right hand side of this picture, we have invested a lot in smarter technologies. I talked about artificial intelligence before, connected machines with digital platforms.

The best municipal solid waste treatment plants today, they can operate completely automated. And at times with corona, where you have shortage of labor and you don't want people to be closed, that becomes even more in fashion, that kind of solutions. So spot on for us, I would say, and we will continue to work on that. And I'm also very proud and actually take the opportunity when I address this to all of you. We have some fantastic people.

We have some mines, very remote mines, and we have people that have volunteered to stay at the mine for uninterrupted period because they know they cannot go back and forth and meet the families. They have volunteered to stay at the mines for a longer period of time to do to ride the wave here with a customer or wave is maybe the wrong word, ride through this customer go through this period with the customers and really support them at site here. And it's not something we have pushed our people, but maybe that's a sign for the what I consider wonderful culture we have in Tongra. People are willing to step up, people are willing to go the extra mile and these are examples for that and that happens in the mining sector. And there it's actually needed because the mines are remote and in some instances people are not able to travel in this country.

So very, very glad to say that. We have also set up a Stay Connected site for our employees for our customers. So we really try all the positive ways to ride out this situation. With that, we can change to the next page. And I would just talk shortly about the circular economy.

Again, it's a strategic initiative for us. We see that this will be a major part of our business in the future. Right now, TOMRA actually plays a very important role in being able to build, be a capitalizator for building these concepts because there are there is a desire to do sustainable packaging to go a circular economy, but it's a lack of tools, lack of know how. And one of the companies, one of the few companies in the world that can really offer TOMRA. And obviously, we want to position ourselves, we want to contribute here through collaboration to position ourselves as the number 1.

And I think that's actually happening. We are, for instance, part of the Alliance to End Plastic Waste, which is the biggest industrial alliance globally to tackle this problem. Together, we have more than 1,000,000 employees. We are committed as an alliance to invest $1,500,000,000 over 5 years to develop solutions for ending plastic waste and building up circular economy. We are at the World Economic Forum meeting with the right people, connecting and sharing our experiences.

We are signed up to the European Plastic Act, which really recognize that you material needs to be reused. It's too good not to be used. It is essential for society. But today, we don't harvest the full value out of it. Basically, we are destroying most of the values, and that's really what we had to do.

And on the right side, you can also see where we are working together with a company called Viridor on how we can implement such a circular economy solution in real life, not only on a conceptual stage, but really already today bringing some tangible solutions. So I'm really proud about that. And again, this is a strategic area for us. We will continue to invest and our ambition is clear. We want the world to become more sustainable and we want Tamara to be a leader in this future of games.

With that, I stop here and pass over to Espen, and he will talk about the finances and the outlook.

Speaker 3

Thank you, Stefan. Moving to Page 11. As always, starting with currency, more important than ever. The Norwegian krone depreciated significantly in March, and that influences almost all figures that we present today. If you look at the end of March figures compared to the beginning of March figures when it comes to exchange rates, we see that the dollar has strengthened almost 20% and the euros almost 17% versus or during the quarter.

So for those figures that's measured at a point in time, meaning typically the balance sheet or the order backlog and then the order backlog, those are the relevant figures to the 20 years before. If you look at those figures, that's average for the period, typically P and L, you see that the figures are somewhat lower because, as I said, the depreciation came daily during March. But the relevant figures year over year, quarter over quarter is 10.6% up on the dollars and 7.3% up on the euro. Moving to the next page. We see how this influenced the different balance sheet and P and L line items.

Overall, the balance sheet has grown with 14% as a consequence of currency changes, meaning RUB 1,500,000,000 more of assets. Also, the liability increased with the same percentage under the residual, the equity has actually increased with SEK73 1,000,000 just because of our currencies during this quarter. If you look at the P and L, as I said, the impact is more modest because the depreciation came late in the period, but still we have a positive 8% on revenues and 11% on EBITDA. We also have re hedged our predicted future cash flows. But to make this more transparent and simple to understand both internally and externally, We do not account for this down to the EBIT line.

We make the spot come true every month, every day in all line items down to EBIT. So it's easy to understand how currency impact. We don't need to know that this period was hedged at that level and so on. But instead, we will account for these contracts as trade contracts and consequently book them at market value. And all those contracts need to be reevaluated at exchange at the end of March, and that's created a negative effect, the loss of €190,000,000 reported on the net commercial income line during the Q1.

Moving to Page 13. 11% of revenues from group, currency adjusted to 3% is collection that's the main contributor with the 5% increase. So our earnings is a small increase of 1%. Gross contribution margins are stable. Operating expenses is up 4%, but that's mainly stemming from increased ramp up cost in collection around figures 10,000,000 and the circular company initiatives also around figure 10,000,000 which is reported under retransmissions.

So despite a further increase since, let's say, future oriented cost, We still managed to increase EBITDA to €21,000,000,000 or to adjust this to pretty flat compared to last year. Going to Page 14, Collection Solutions. Strong sales in the Nordic, stable in the rest of Europe. In North America, we had a good period all the way up until mid March when the throughput volume started fell because of the lockdown. So they ended the quarter, turns adjusted rather unchanged compared to same quarter last year.

Rest of the world is mainly in Australia and also had good improvements all the way up to the last week of March where also the volumes in this region started to fell. Gross margin is unchanged. Operating expenses, as I said, slightly impacted by increased ramp up costs, but bottom line, €151,000,000 in EBITDA and 30% margin. Moving to Page 15, sorting solutions. So bought slower sales or installations in Americas this quarter, but is offset by stronger sales in Europe.

In total, a stable business, 1% up on revenues, as previously listed, and the conversion ratio is 77%, maybe 78%, which is in the middle of the range that we indicated at the end of last quarter. Gross contribution, gross margin is increasing and that's a consequence of FUELT continuing to improve their margins. Operating expenses almost unchanged when we adjust for currencies and that gives an improved EBITDA, reported 140,000,000 of EBITDA in this quarter. Moving to Page 16. Order development, order backlog significantly affected by currencies.

This is illustrated by the red areas in the bars. But looking at order intake, also adjusting for currencies, we were up 11% compared to same quarter last year, particularly if you were hired taking food. The order backlog also adjusted for currencies still up 13% and we consider to have an all time high order backlog by the end of Q1. If you look at the estimated backlog conversion ratio, it's now estimated to be 60% to 65%, meaning that the revenues of the upcoming quarter, we believe, will be around around the area 60% to 65% of the current backlog. It's lower than usual, but we have been down in this area 2 times before.

We'll come back to this on the outlook statement. And as I always said, this is not guiding. This is just an indication for you that want to model loss on a more quarterly basis. Moving to Page 17, the balance sheet, as I said, it's 13% or it's 14% currency effect. And that's more or less all the effects you see on the balance sheet is related to currencies.

The underlying fixed currency effect is not very material if you compare to the end of the last year. Though if you look at the working capital, we have had some inventory built up, but also a positive development on receivables, payables and contract liabilities. So it gives overall a positive development of the working capital and consequently also an increase in cash flow from operations ending up to 265 compared to 29 last year. The equity is unchanged and the gearing measure that's interest bearing the EBITDA on a rolling 12 month basis is now at 0.9 without IFRS 16 and 1.4 in Q1 in IFRS 16. This is slightly up, meaning a higher gearing because we have our loans nominated or swapped into euros.

So consequently, we should be marked also. The debt has increased in the way we report. This will influence also the gearing presumptions. Moving to Page 18. We have a solid financial position.

We have SEK 900,000,000 of unused committed credit lines at the end of the quarter. We have those some loans that will expire in 1st and second year, becoming short term debt. So we are in the process to look into refinancing this in the quarters to come, but there is no indication that there should be a problem to refinance. We are in a very good position, good dialogue with the banks. More than still available in a rather easy way for TORMIP.

Going to Page 19. Last night, we had our Annual General Meeting. All agenda items was approved in line with the Board of Nomination Committee's proposals. The dividend proposal being the Board drafted an authorization to resolve dividends at their own discretion, dividend locked to €275,000,000 at the later stage and was approved. We have had KPMV for 26 years as auditor.

Consequently, we're in the tender process and then PwC was nominated and elected as our new group auditor. And beside that, there was no change in the composition of Board of Directors. Going to Page 20, the last page. Now it's a difficult part. Talking about the history is talking about the outlook is always somewhat more difficult.

And particularly, this is somewhat turbulent times. But I think it's important to understand that the minimum minister in Sonra has been good through Q1 before the crisis came. We are maybe not essential business, but we are selling to essential businesses. 3rd, retail, they are doing good overall. They will be there and they will have a demand and there's a market.

Food producers, they will be there, great opportunities and then they will win to another drivers behind that business. They're not going away. Waste Management's need for solutions and that the need for this business is going later. So regardless of where you look, our customers are overall in good shape. And that's a very good starting point for government.

But of course, what's happening out there for a period of time also could have a negative influence upon us. There could be problems getting parts, getting machines, getting people across borders. So some installations could be delayed for batteries or store owners or farms or processing plants, pack houses that don't want activity in their plants for different reasons during these times. There's some service people that are late because we can't send out the service check or they don't want us to reset the next section now. So it could be delayed or postponed for a period.

And it could be true, but where activity is lower for period. But we don't see that the underlying momentum in the businesses has changed. Can't consequently talk about more delays or a temporary reduction in activity in some of our businesses. More precise, going down to the units, starting with collection solutions. In euro, it is a resilience overall.

The stores are open. The volumes are coming back. But there could be delays because our others maybe don't want installation this week or this month and have some postponements. But overall, the service takes more or less is doing the same job. We have people in the local markets.

We don't need to cross much borders and so on. So activity is not very much affected by the current term line. In U. S, we have a significant part of our activity dependent upon volumes. And with the lockdown in Northeast, in particular in New York, also going to Connecticut, we see redemption centers closed down.

We see bottle rooms closed for a period and consequently lower volumes and lower revenue for Thom Browne. We believe that many of these models would not go away. They will come back when teams open up again. So this is a delay in revenues. But for the time being, activity is lower in the calculation.

Same thing we experienced in Australia, as Stefan talked about, but it was for a period of time. April was low, but going into May, we see volumes is coming back. The activity around now this is now on the level more or less than what we saw before the crisis. When it comes to ramp up expenses, we said at the end of last quarter that we believe that we could, on top of what we have used last year, invest additional €100,000,000 to €150,000,000 on ramp up and other future related expenses, mainly related collection but also some circular economy costs that hits the group pension line. In the Q1, we reported ground figures, as I said, SEK 20,000,000 in additional costs, dollars 10,000,000 of them reported in collection and $10,000,000 on repurchases.

I think this could be a good indication also what we'd experience in the quarters to come. So consequently, somewhat longer OpEx spending on this than we indicated at the end of Q4 and also the environment that Stefan said that we are looking at cost and are cautious on non sector spend. Going to sorting solution and the third part of this, we ended last quarter with a solid order backlog, But some delays in installations should be expected, people, machines, parts, crossing borders and so on. Also, the order intake in particular processed food or in processed foods could be negatively influenced by this current situation. In Recycling Mining part, total sorting solutions underlying metals still good.

There are, however, differences between the business streams. And again, as Stefan touched upon, metals and mining are more dependent on commodity prices, and we expect a lower activity and lower order intake in those units as long as the trial market is ongoing. Currency, as you know, we have a significant positive impact on the weak Norwegian crown. And if the current regime continues throughout this quarter, this will, of course, also have a very positive effect on our bottom line. That concludes our presentation, and we open up for questions from the web.

And Kym, maybe you can guide us through this.

Speaker 1

Yes, of course, Stefan. So I'm starting with the question from Fredrik Casse regarding dividends. How about the postponed 2019 dividend? How do you see the timing of that now?

Speaker 3

I think it's the Board's privilege to decide when and what to pay out in the dividends, and I think they will monitor the situation as we go. It's still not more than 1 month ago that they decided to go for this approach to be on the cautious side, and I think they're not ready to record or give any more kind of signals on this current stage. So let's see what they end up with, but nothing more to report on that question for the time being.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Aetna. Maybe also next question for you. Let's see. A question from Mikael Nijold Smurfeng in Carnegie. Can you best guess the financial impact on the throughput decline in North America for Q2222020?

Speaker 3

What I can say is that most, maybe 75%, 80% of revenues in Americas is volume dependent. A little more than half of revenues is from our Material Recovery business, where we take responsibility for pickup transportation processing of materials, so consequently, a direct link between volumes and revenues, but also through our attributes, the contracts and our redemption center activity, we have a direct link between revenues and volumes. So as indicated on the slide Stefan showed, volumes down 50%. So if you say that 80% of our revenues were all independent and that volume is down 50%, then it's up at 40% down. But that's kind of the current status.

How this developed once to come is dependent upon, of course, how the easing of the initiatives when it comes to the close. And that's not up to me to the speculate upon. But we could also get the positive impact when the things are going back to normal, meaning bottles that has been stored is now being emptied also. But we should be cautious on speculating on that. But I think you have the reference points and the information that we have.

From there, we have to try to model this on.

Speaker 1

And then a follow-up question from Mikael. How do you see the lower OpEx spending in 2020 affecting business estimates for 2021 beyond?

Speaker 3

I think so far, we have not done anything that will hit us ability to grow the business. It's more house holding. Yes, we do not travel because we can't travel. We do not use consultants if we really don't need it. We are but we are not kind of doing anything that exceeds our core.

And then there are indeed projects that are dependent upon and so on. It's minor in the big context, but we will experience that OpEx reporting in the Q2. We will go down at least currency adjusted compared to last year. But at the same time, it's not of a magnitude that it will influence our ability to deliver in the future because we believe that what we see is a temporary situation and we have to sit through this and through that also prepare ourselves for things to happen afterwards also. And I think that's kind of the view we have of PolyTel.

We hope you also answer the questions.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Esteban. With that, there's no more questions from the web. It seems like everything was loud and clear. And then we conclude the presentation. Thank you for watching and continue to stay safe.

Thank you.

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