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Earnings Call: Q3 2024

Oct 25, 2024

Jann-Boje Meinecke
Head of Investor Relations, Schibsted Marketplaces

Good morning, and thank you for joining us for Schibsted Marketplaces' Q3 results presentation. As usual, Christian, our CEO, and PC, our CFO, will provide you with some color and the key developments in the third quarter. Afterwards, we will have a Q&A session, and we encourage analysts to use Microsoft Teams to participate live, but alternatively, you can also go to the webcast player and write in written questions. So without further delay, Christian, please let me hand over to you.

Christian Printzell Halvorsen
CEO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Thank you so much, Jann-Boje, and good morning, and welcome everyone to this third quarter presentation. This was a quarter where we took another important step in our strategic transformation to becoming a pure-play marketplaces company, and we showed discipline, execution, and commitment to long-term shareholder value creation. Now, following the sale of our media business and the Adevinta transaction, which together generated approximately NOK 24 billion, we have now returned the second tranche of our special cash dividend that amounted to NOK 2 billion, and we have also initiated the first tranche of our share buyback program amounting to another NOK 2 billion.

Operationally, the previously announced reorganization and cost measures, they are now on track, and they are expected to be completed by November. Furthermore, we continue our efforts to simplify our operations, and we announced earlier this week that we plan to exit businesses that we no longer consider as core, or where we neither have a winning position nor an opportunity or clear path to get there. And PC will come back to this a little bit later in his part of the presentation. When it comes to the financial performance, the group revenues for the third quarter ended just above NOK 2.6 billion. That represented a 9% year-on-year increase on a constant currency basis.

The group EBITDA improved by 17% to NOK 670 million, and the primary drivers of this were Nordic Marketplaces, which achieved a 6% increase in revenues, as well as the delivery segment that achieved quite astounding growth. Mobility, real estate, and recommerce continued to perform really well, while the jobs marketplace, particularly outside of Norway and advertising, had some headwinds in this quarter, so let me then go a little bit deeper into the results, and we will focus on Nordic Marketplaces. Here, Nordic Marketplaces delivered a growth, as I said, of 6% in Q3. That was driven by solid growth in classifieds revenues.

This again was primarily driven by increases in average revenue per ad in all verticals together with an increase in transactional revenues. This growth was partially offset by market headwinds that affected volumes particularly in jobs but also somewhat in mobility and also affecting advertising revenues. I think it's good also to mention that the advertising was influenced by the ongoing split from Schibsted Media where we are splitting the platform and also transitioning some resources over to media, and during this transition we anticipate that there will be more muted results in the advertising segments going forward in the short term. On the cost side total costs increased by 5% compared to last year.

This was primarily driven by marketing campaigns, also investments in our new business models, as well as the transition to a new technology and common technology platform. It is worth mentioning that this marks a quite notable shift, though, in the drivers of the cost. Now, it was largely attributable to marketing, while personnel and consultants have actually decreased year over year, which is a big change and the first time in a quite considerable period, and this indicates that we're now starting to see the results of the reorganization and cost measures that we are implementing, and as a result, the EBITDA was up 12% year over year, and margin improved by two percentage points compared to last year.

So with that, let's deep dive into the verticals, and let's begin first with the underlying drivers for the classifieds revenue. Within mobility, we continued ARPA growth in all markets. That was driven by both the professional and private segment in Sweden and the professional segment in Norway and Denmark. And this again was driven by harmonizing pricing structures as well as an underlying growth in the sale of upsell products. And the strongest uplift was seen in Sweden.

Here we had both a good ARPA growth for the professionals, as well, as with the privates, where we saw an uptick in sales of upsell products, and we also introduced this new C2C price segment in Sweden in end of August, where we had some promising early results. In Norway, the ARPA growth for professionals continues to be strong, but if we look at the private area, it was lower due to a shift in the category mix, with the more ads in things like motorcycles and other subcategories that have a lower ARPA compared to cars.

And then, in terms of volumes, in Norway, we are still impacted by the headwinds in the market, particularly in the private segment, while professionals continue to be quite good, and we saw some improvement here. Can also mention that the new car sales in Norway was improving as well. That's a good driver for us. In Sweden, though, volumes are affected by strong comparables from last year. In Jobs, Norway continued to see solid ARPA growth. That was driven by this new segmented price model that we introduced at the beginning of this year, combined with the upsell products. Volumes in Norway were down 8% in this quarter due to market headwinds.

Within real estate, we also see continued solid ARPA growth in Norway. This was primarily driven by the packages in leisure homes for sale, also upsales in residential for sale, as well as the regular price index adjustments that we implemented in January. It is slightly lower in this quarter, as we expected, due to some of these package downgrades that we communicated in the last presentation. In Finland, ARPA increased in this quarter. That was due to a change in mix between houses for sale and rentals, combined with also some regular price adjustments.

And on the volume side, in Norway, we saw a growth of 3%, while in Finland there was a decline compared to last year, also here driven by this shift in category mix. It is worth mentioning, though, that houses for sale was up in Finland. Now, if we turn to Mobility and look at the financials, the Mobility vertical grew by 5% on a constant currency basis in Q3, and that was despite headwinds both in volume as well as in advertising. Classified revenues grew 10% in this quarter, and that was primarily then driven by these ARPA increases that I just mentioned.

Additionally, we had NOK 104 million in transactional revenues in Mobility in this quarter, and that was an increase of 10% compared to last year, and this growth is somewhat softer than what we have seen before. That's primarily driven by Nettbil seeing some effects of the macro headwinds, as well as some more temporary internal capacity constraints that we've had in Nettbil, and also advertising revenues continue to be affected by the volatile market in Norway, and in this quarter, we saw a decline of 19% in advertising, and also should then say again that this is partly driven by the dissynergies from the split from media on the advertising side.

Total costs increased year on year. This was driven by marketing campaigns and also the investments in the new initiatives, such as Nettbil and AutoVex and Wheel.me, as well as the transition to a common technology platform. But as I mentioned initially, it is now primarily marketing campaigns that explains the increase in costs, while if you look at the personnel and consultants as an example, the costs are more in line with last year. And all in all, EBITDA increased by 11%, and that was then driven by the higher revenues and resulted in a margin of 54%.

If we adjust for the transactional models, the margin in, let's say, core mobility, was around 61% this quarter. One thing we did also in this quarter was to announce new packages that will come into effect from January 2025 for our dealers in Norway. This marks a quite significant step forward in how we sell and how dealers buy and access our products and services in Finn. Based on the feedback from customers, we are now trying to streamline the process for how our dealers can use all the unique marketplace data that we have on Finn, because that will allow them to optimize their business and efficiency.

So these products and these packages, they are now tailored specifically to dealers, and they're specifically tailored to provide both tools, trust and safety badges, as well as branding options to the dealers. And we anticipate that these changes will have a double-digit ARPA impact for the professional car segment in twenty twenty-five. And this, of course, is a good basis to continue to iterate on in the coming months and years, and also think about scaling to the rest of the Nordics to drive a sustained value growth in this area. If we then turn to real estate, here we saw that the total revenues increased by 12% this quarter.

Again, this revenue growth was primarily driven by ARPA increases, as well as the expansion of the transactional model that we have in Sweden. In Norway, which is obviously the main part of our real estate business, the revenue increase was slowing somewhat to 7%. And this was driven by the package downgrades that we have previously mentioned. Nevertheless, the volumes in Norway were up by 3%, and Finn real estate achieved now for the second consecutive quarter all-time high in traffic, which clearly demonstrates the incredibly strong and solid position that we have within real estate in Norway.

In Sweden, we have the rental platform, Qasa, and that continues to show solid and strong growth, and that was now at 85% this quarter. In Finland, we are extremely pleased to see that the increased marketing efforts that we have implemented actually drive strong development in the key metrics that we follow, things such as brand awareness and traffic. Both of those showed all-time highs in Q3, and we will continue these investments in Finland to really continue to strengthen our leading position, which we think is quite essential for our long-term revenue growth and financial goals in Finland. Then we have the costs. Total costs increased for real estate year on year.

That was driven then by the accelerated marketing efforts in Finland, also investments that we're making in HomeQ, as well as the transition to our common technology platform. It should be said that the cost increases were lower compared to previous quarters, and this also resulted in an improvement in the EBITDA margin by three percentage points compared to last year. And again, here, if we correct or adjust for the transactional models, the margin in core real estate was 53%. Similarly to mobility, we are implementing changes to our product and package structure also in real estate.

We are doing this to ensure that our pricing aligns with the value that we deliver to our customers, and we are introducing what we call dynamic pricing. That is based on our regional structure that we have, but we're also introducing property value as a factor in this model, and this change ensures that we have fair pricing and also pricing that reflects the underlying value that we deliver. In this package structure, we're also enhancing both the content and the value of our larger package, and that is really to create a much clearer distinction between the different tiers in our package structure, and these changes are, of course, then reflected in the prices.

I can also say that we have revised our discount model really to make sure that it's advantageous for our customers to, and also for the house sellers, to buy these top-level packages, and also for real estate, we anticipate that these changes will have double-digit ARPA growth in the residential for-sale segment into 2025. Yes, and this will be driven by the price adjustments of the packages, but also partly by the upsell products and some of the modifications that we're making to the discount structure. Turning to jobs, this is an area where we see the effect of the challenging market around us. It's primarily affecting jobs.

If you look at Norway, we overall see stable revenues compared to last year, and that is despite a volume decrease of 8% compared to last year. This is driven by a strong ARPA contribution from this segmented price model that we introduced in January this year, together with the increasing sales of upsell products. But if we look at the total jobs revenues, we had the market challenges and strong competition, particularly in Sweden and Finland. In total, we saw a decline of 3% on the revenues this quarter. Total costs were reduced by 2%, and that was after several quarters of cost increase. This reduction was primarily then driven by personnel and consultants.

So overall, this led to an EBITDA margin of 44% for jobs. And that is in line with what we had last year. And then finally, Recommerce. Here, revenues increased by 14% in this quarter. That was driven of course by the transactional business model. And if we take the growth in Finn and in Blocket and also with the continued strong momentum we have in Finland with Tori, we reached 1.1 million transactions in total for Recommerce this quarter, which was the first time that we have landed above one million transaction. We are very happy about that obviously. And advertising revenues were also here affected by the market headwinds.

Revenues declined by 11%, and this was again partly driven by the dis-synergies that we see from the split from media and the effect that that has to our advertising platform. Total costs for Recommerce increased compared to last year, but if we exclude cost of goods sold, which are tightly linked to the transactional revenues, then the operational expenses actually were reduced by 7% compared to last year, and in total, EBITDA then improved by 16% compared to last year, and the margin improved by 11 percentage points. So with that, I'll hand it over to PC to go through the financials.

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Thank you, Christian, and good morning, everyone, and I will now give you some more details on the financials for the third quarter. In total, revenues for Schibsted Marketplaces were 9% above Q3 last year. This development was driven by the mentioned 6% growth in Nordic marketplaces, combined with a 46% growth in delivery, partly offset by a 7% decline in growth and investments. The total revenue growth in delivery also includes the newly acquired delivery business from Amedia, contributing with revenues of NOK 97 million in Q3. When excluding this, delivery revenues grew 23% in the quarter.

This revenue growth was driven by a strong volume growth in the parcel delivery service, Helthjem, of 68%, from both growth in the B2C, volumes, combined with higher C2C volumes on the back of our progress on the Finn transactional product, Fiks ferdig, in Norway. This growth was somewhat offset by continued declining volumes from printed newspapers. Revenues in the growth and investment segment, declined by 7%, as mentioned, impacted by macroeconomic conditions, mostly then from, the Lendo revenues declining 17% in the quarter, while Prisjakt revenues, increased slightly with 1% growth in the quarter. Revenues from our skilled trades marketplaces also increased 1% in Q3. Total EBITDA for Schibsted Marketplaces, ended at NOK 670 million, up 17% from last year, and this was driven by the mentioned EBITDA improvement in Nordic marketplaces of 12%.

Delivery EBITDA improved from a break-even level last year to plus NOK 35 million on the back of increased volume, improved efficiencies, but also a NOK 10 million effect from the acquired business from Amedia. Despite the revenue pressure, growth and investments portfolio EBITDA increased 17%, driven by cost-saving initiatives in both Lendo and Prisjakt. Other and HQ had an EBITDA of minus NOK 39 million in the quarter. This is slightly down year on year, but an improvement from the previous quarter, mainly driven due to seasonality year on year. Before we go into more details on Q3, I want to give some color on the current outlook for Q4. Overall, we expect the strong underlying ARPA development in all key verticals to continue.

However, we do expect total revenue growth to be somewhat muted in Q4 compared to the growth rates we now report in Q3. This is driven by three key factors. First, as Christian alluded to, advertising revenues are expected to temporarily be under pressure from a combination of market headwinds, but also effects from the separation from news media. This is mostly impacting Mobility and the Recommerce vertical. The second driver is that we expect to see some negative effects from an announced portfolio simplification, our transition to a common tech platform, and also we expect to see a bit more impact from the full, you know, quarterly impact of the downgrades that we have seen on Real Estate vertical in Norway.

The last I mentioned is volumes, continue to be a bit challenging in both mobility and jobs, and we also have quite strong comparables in mobility in Sweden in Q4. With that, let's move into the income statement. Our operating profit for the quarter ended at NOK 345 million, down from NOK 378 million last year. EBITDA is improved by NOK 96 million, while other expenses increased NOK 93 million, mainly due to increased restructuring costs of NOK 64 million related to the organizational changes, and costs related to the media separation of NOK 28 million. Financial income is impacted by the fair value adjustments of Adevinta. The value of our 14% stake in Adevinta has increased from NOK 15.6 billion in Q2 this year to NOK 20.7 billion in Q3.

The value increase of 5 billion NOK is due to several factors. First, the value in Q2 this year was based on the pricing of the transaction, given that we have just closed the transaction a few weeks before the quarter. As of Q3 this year, the valuation is based on reported financials and expectations from Adevinta in a private company setting, reflecting normalized earnings and reported net debt. In addition, the valuation is based on peer multiples from a selected listed European online classified peers. If you're looking at the increase, around half of the increase is driven by increased earning expectations in Adevinta, and the other half is related to multiple expansions in the industry. Financial expenses are impacted by loss of fair value adjustments of equity instruments, primarily related to Tibber.

A purchase price adjustment of NOK 71 million for media was received in Q3. Total proceeds from the media transactions now amount to around NOK 4.6 billion. In totality then, net profit for the group ended around NOK 5.1 billion in Q3. Let's move to cash flow. Cash flow from operating activities for continued operations ended in Q3 at NOK 724 million, up NOK 210 million compared to Q3 last year. The increase is mainly related to the mentioned EBITDA increase of almost 100 million, but also positive effects from interest paid and received due to the stronger balance sheet this year. This is combined with positive effects on working capital and also increased provisions.

CapEx in Q3 ended at 145 million NOK, up 9% versus last year, and this slight increase is driven by development of the new shared technical platform, which the majority of our investments in a core business now is directed towards. If you move forward, during Q3, the second tranche of the special dividend was paid in total 2 billion NOK. This comes in addition to the special dividend of 18 billion that we paid out in June. On September ninth, a share buyback program was announced and launched. We planned to buy back shares of around 2 billion NOK by second of May 2025.

At the end of September, Schibsted has bought back 758,000 shares, or 0.5% of the total outstanding shares, at a cost of 243 million NOK. There has not been any refinancing activities during Q3, but as a part of the temporary cash balance, some of this we have deposited at short-term liquidity funds with low risk to obtain a somewhat better return than bank deposits. Then finally, as we announced earlier this week, that we plan to exit businesses that are not considered core, where we're not having a winning position, or we don't see a feasible path to get there. This means that we will initiate processes to exit our comparison service, Lendo Group, our e-commerce price comparison service, Prisjakt, but also our skilled trades marketplaces.

During the transition period, these businesses will be classified as held for sale and presented as discontinued operation. Within the jobs verticals, we will have full focus to strengthen our leading position in Norway, and as a part of this, we will close down Blocket Jobs and Jobbsafari in Sweden, and we are also exploring options for exiting our positions in the Finnish job marketplace, Oikotie Jobs. We also plan to divest the majority of our venture portfolio. These actions will significantly contribute to our ongoing journey to streamline our organization and company. We have a tremendous opportunity to build on our strong market positions, and these steps will really enable us to concentrate our efforts around the four verticals, where we see the greatest potential for growth and value creation. We expect to initiate these sales processes for these entities within the next nine months.

With that, I will hand over to you, Jann-B oje.

Jann-Boje Meinecke
Head of Investor Relations, Schibsted Marketplaces

Thanks, PC. And I think that's a good transition also, you know, to remind you about the Capital Markets Day in a couple of weeks on the nineteenth of November in Barcelona. So, you know, the focus on that day will be on outlining the strategic direction for Schibsted Marketplaces, really transforming into a pure play marketplaces company. And we have a great speaker lineup from the management team, and we really hope, you know, that many of you would like to join us on that day in Barcelona. So if you would like to do so, please see the information here, how you can sign up to participate in person on that day. Alternatively, you can, of course, also be on the webcast. But we really look forward, you know, to outline the direction for the new company.

Yeah, I think I'll leave it with this, and then we can start with the Q&A for today. So starting here in Teams, I think first up in line is Yulia from UBS. So please unmute and go ahead.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. So I have a couple, if I may. So you talked about the potential exits from the assets you consider non-core... You don't consider core. The question is, if you could please share some color of how you plan to use the proceeds. Is there opportunity for special dividend or you plan to invest? So any color would be helpful. Then the next question is on the cost side. So you announced that you're planning to complete the reorganization and the cost measures, by the end of November. So two questions on that: With completion of the program so soon, to what degree does Q3 performance reflect the terminal impact of the savings? And, secondly, do you expect any further cost savings beyond November, or is that the complete conclusion? Thank you very much.

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

I think I'll

Jann-Boje Meinecke
Head of Investor Relations, Schibsted Marketplaces

You can take both. Yes.

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

So on the first question, we will not give any color on how we will treat the potential proceeds from these transactions. We will, of course, come back in the Capital Markets Day, outlining the entire financial framework, including also capital allocation. But I think, you know, you should look at how we have dealt with these type of situations in the past year as a good starting point. Then in terms of cost, yes, you are right. We are on path towards reducing number of roles for 250. By closing Q3, we have around 100 roles impacted or people impacted, and we expect another 100 to be impacted now during November.

In addition, as mentioned, we also have canceled some open positions that wasn't filled when we started this process, so your question in terms of... Yes, as Christian also mentioned, there is impact in Q3 that really helps us now, I think, for the first time in many quarters, to actually see a net reduction in our personnel cost and consultancy cost, and of course, we will get a further impact on this in Q4, and then you have sort of some effects from the additional hundred in Q4, but the full effect you will only see in Q1 next year.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you very much.

Jann-Boje Meinecke
Head of Investor Relations, Schibsted Marketplaces

Okay, the next up in line is Silvia from Deutsche Bank. So, Silvia, good morning, and please go ahead.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Also a few questions from my side. First, on competition, I wanted to ask if you could share your latest views on the evolution of the competitive landscape, in particular in the real estate segment. How long do you expect the packages downgrade to last, and how has this informed your proposed new package structure that will be introduced in 2025? And then also on competition, more broadly in the jobs segment, particularly in Sweden and Finland, as you mentioned, can you share more color on the timing for the decision to potentially divest this business? Is competition what prompted this, and what changed?

And then finally, if you could comment a little bit on the macro environment, given that, earlier this year, you already started highlighting macro challenges as a reason for pausing the guidance. I wanted to ask if you could share your thoughts about how macro has evolved today compared to where it was earlier in twenty twenty-four. Thank you.

Christian Printzell Halvorsen
CEO, Schibsted Marketplaces

All right. I think, PC can take the exit of the jobs and the macro, and I can talk about the competition. So, when it comes to competition in real estate, in Norway, we have... I mean, I also said this, in my statement, that, we-

... actually see record strong traffic in our real estate asset in Norway. So we are really confident about our position and that our packages deliver by far the most value to users and customers. So it's kind of based on that assumption that we have now worked through this package structures to create a good structure that delivers solid value to the agents in Norway. And that they have the option to choose between these different packages. And as we said, yes, we expected that there would be some downgrades. There have been some downgrades this quarter.

Overall, we think that these will probably be temporary and short-term in nature, but exactly the timing of that is, of course, not up to us, but our customers, in the end, to decide on. Yeah.

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Yeah, and then on some of your other questions, I don't think we will give more color on, you know, potential both related to the job situation in Finland. We've just said we're exploring options. We have communicated that we intend to exit, so that will happen. How? We need to come back to. Then on the real estate, I mean, we are in this for the long term, and we will continue to invest in building that position and don't have any plan to, you know, exit our real estate position in Finland, if that was a question. Then on macro, we entered this year expecting some kind of rebound in the second half.

And then, you know, when we started out during Q1, we saw that we couldn't anymore kind of base our plans and assumptions on that, and that was also one of the reasons why we paused our external ambitions at the time. I think what we see currently is very much in line with that. It's still a quite tough macro. It hasn't gotten worse, but it also hasn't really sort of improved in broad sense. And we see some of this in our advertising revenue. Still, we see that the jobs volumes are still down. We see also mobility private in Norway is under pressure.

So we are still in a quite tough situation, and we have stopped giving any outlook on when and if that will improve. But, at some point, I guess we will see a more normalized situation.

Jann-Boje Meinecke
Head of Investor Relations, Schibsted Marketplaces

Okay, then we can move on to you, Håkon, from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please, unmute and go ahead.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hello. Thank you for taking my questions. Regarding Adevinta and your new valuation, can you talk about how organic growth in Adevinta has been year to date, and overall for us to get a feeling on the developments? And also, have there been any cost programs at Adevinta or in any other countries, and is there any parts of the company that would be up for sale?

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Yeah, I'll cover that. In general, we will not disclose or give a lot of perspectives on Adevinta, but as I mentioned, you know, half of the value increase is associated to improved financial performance both in actual numbers, also in expectations for this and next year, and this is driven by an improved business across most of the business lines. I think we can say that the main driver is the mobility side of the Adevinta portfolio. That is performing really well, and I think I'll leave it with that, and I will not go into, you know, any further comments around the portfolio and such related to Adevinta.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thank you so much.

Christian Printzell Halvorsen
CEO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Thanks for your question, Håkon. And then we can move over to you. Will a t BNP Paribas.

Will Robertson
Analyst, BNP Paribas

Hi, hi there. Thanks for taking my questions. Sorry, my camera is on the fritz today. Apologies. I have three questions. So firstly, back on Adevinta, you've increased the value by 20%, and you've kind of taken us through the reasoning, which is very helpful. Could you confirm what list of peers you're using? Was I right in hearing that you said it's only European peers, not American or U.S or, sorry, or Australian peers? I note that I think the REA bid for Rightmove was rejected on the first day of Q4, so should we therefore expect a little bit of a normalization on the multiples because, you know, Rightmove derated the day afterwards, and that could have an impact on the reading across.

It's, what's the list of peers, and is it right to think of it, the multiples on the last day of the quarter? Then the second question is regarding your transition to a common tech platform, which I think you cited as a factor in the slowdown in Q4 revenue growth. Could you expand on that a little bit? What are the factors? How does that flow through to revenue, and what gives you confidence it will improve next year? If we think of the history of classifieds in the last ten years, these common platform transitions can be headwinds for years rather than months. I know this is different, because you're transitioning to Finn or a new platform, but for any color there would be helpful.

And then just lastly, I think you mentioned three factors that would lead to a slowdown in revenue growth in Q4. Could you just give us some kind of sense for the scale of volume, or sorry, of revenue growth slowdown within the Nordic market for us this second? Thank you.

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Sure.

Christian Printzell Halvorsen
CEO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Right, you take Adevinta, and I take the tech platform, and you take the Q4.

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Yep. So, just on Adevinta, we will not disclose anything more than what is in the report and what we have said, that we're using a set of listed peers, which is comparable to Adevinta and operate in the region where Adevinta is operating. The market is not super big. So I think you can come quite close by just looking at the natural peers to include in a group like that. I'm not gonna give more sort of details and colors around the assumptions around the multiples used.

And then in terms of the outlook for Q4, I think I'm not gonna give exact numbers. It's not that dramatic, it's just that we want to sort of indicate that we see some challenges going into Q4 on the total top line. But this is a balance that the underlying sort of ARPA drivers is performing very well. But we expect a quite tough advertising, partly linked to the market, partly linked to the separation with news media. And also that we had some quite tough comparisons from last year and, you know, some effects that will build up a little bit from Q3 into Q4. Exactly where it ends up, we need to come back to.

Christian Printzell Halvorsen
CEO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Yes, on the tech platform part, what the situation is that the tech platform drives cost. That is kind of the primary effect we see of that and CapEx. So it's not correct that we said that this platform transition is now impacting revenues. But what we did say is that in advertising, we are actually having to do a quite big shift in our advertising stack as part of the split from media. So that is both a technical project, so to speak, and it's also rebuilding part of the organization that we have previously shared with media. So that is kind of muting the results within advertising for let's say the short term. Yeah.

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

And then just build on what I said. So there is. You know, when we now prepare new parts of our businesses to onboard to the new common tech platform, we are adjusting and making changes to our commercial propositions and the products. And in some areas there will be some impact on the revenue lines. Not material, but there will be some effect in Q4.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Thanks for the clarification. Appreciate it.

Jann-Boje Meinecke
Head of Investor Relations, Schibsted Marketplaces

Thanks, Will. Then we can go over to you, Marcus from SEB.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yes, thank you. So on the cost program, what is the share of the 200 employees that you will scale down in this, its first step? What's the share related to growth and investment? And what's the share as of Q3 related to growth and investment, which is, of course, now non-core, as opposed to what you consider core? That's the first one. And the second one is on the real estate in Finland. If you can clarify how much the increase was in core real estate listing year-over-year.

Christian Printzell Halvorsen
CEO, Schibsted Marketplaces

I can first comment on Finland. We are not disclosing numbers at that level of detail as it stands now, also due to competitive reasons.

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

And then on the first one, that's quite easy. The answer is zero, because the two hundred and fifty is not focused on growth and investment at all. So when we talk about hundred positions in Q3, another hundred, all of that is in what we define as our core business. And then as you can see in the results, we are also working on efficiency programs within Prisjakt and Lendo, and so on, but that comes in addition.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

That's very clear. Thank you.

Jann-Boje Meinecke
Head of Investor Relations, Schibsted Marketplaces

Okay, the next in line is Eirik from Carnegie. Please go ahead, Eirik.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yes. Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. I've got two. If we can start kind of a bit big picture-wise and kind of based on the learnings you've had so far with the process of the first 250 FDs, and also, as you pointed to Christian, on some of the consulting costs as well, like, how has this affected your thinking around, you know, potential future FTE adjustments and other OpEx adjustments? I appreciate that the CMD is coming up, but just some thoughts there, and if you kind of see that scope evolving, now that yeah that you're building in the organization.

Christian Printzell Halvorsen
CEO, Schibsted Marketplaces

I think you have to save and have a little bit of patience until the Capital Markets Day, but in general, I mean, we are now executing on this reorganization, and that is a big change to our organization. I think it's fair to say that, but now we have come quite far in that, and we still maintain what we have said before, that this is kind of the first step of a longer journey where we will, over time, optimize many things about our business. You know, the portfolio, of course, our organization, but it can be things like, you know, systems and there are many things that we will optimize going forward.

That will be something that we will come back to more in detail when it comes to Capital Markets Day.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, perfect. Thanks. And just another question from me, and I'll jump back in the queue. Could you go a bit through the technicalities of closure of Blocket Jobs and Jobbsafari, and how you plan to kind of sell Oikotie jobs while still retaining potentially the brand Oikotie there for real estate? And also, why you're seemingly not considering to sell the jobs business in Sweden like you're doing in Finland?

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Yeah, I can comment on that, so we will not sell the brands, to start from there, in any situation. We, of course, have tested this a little bit, and we don't believe there is a feasible path for a structural solution in Sweden, and that's why we are entering into a sort of a close down of that business. We have interested parties for our position, not the brand, but the position in Finland, and that's why we are exploring that. I think we will know more in a few weeks whether that's a feasible path or whether we will do the same as we now are planning to do, in Sweden.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

That's very clear. Thanks, guys.

Jann-Boje Meinecke
Head of Investor Relations, Schibsted Marketplaces

... Thanks, Eric. Before we continue with the Q&A teams, I just look at the written questions. PC, I think there are two for you. Like, one is, you know, looking HQ costs in Q4, how should we think? Q3 was significantly down. So how to think about seasonality for HQ losses coming into Q4? And then second question, looking at the buyback, which you started, why are you buying both A and B shares and not just B, which are trading lower than A shares, looking at the price as such?

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Yeah. So on the first one, as you also have seen earlier years, Q3 is relatively lower, and this is due to seasonality on how holiday pay hits the numbers. So you should expect in Q4 that the deficit will go into a similar level as you saw in the first half. Then on the share buyback, I mean, when we announced the program, we are buying back fifty-fifty of our A and B. I think that's what we have to say about that.

Jann-Boje Meinecke
Head of Investor Relations, Schibsted Marketplaces

Okay. Thanks, PC, then going back to Teams, I think, Yulia, you're back in the queue, so please go ahead.

Yulia Lalutska
Analyst, UBS

Yes, I have one follow-up, if I may, please. So, I wanted to ask about Amedia's distribution business, which you've acquired recently. So you've articulated and executing a streamlining of Schibsted towards your core businesses. This is very clear, but at the same time, you completed this acquisition of Amedia's distribution business, which I understand mostly deliver newspapers and magazines. So can you talk us through the strategic logic and your thought process behind this deal?

Per Christian Mørland
EVP, and CFO, Schibsted Marketplaces

Yeah. So, I think it's a very fair question, given that we are so, let's say, aggressive or slimming down our portfolio on one side. Delivery is in a little bit special situation. I mean, we've been quite clear that it serves a purpose for now because it really supports our transactional product in the Norwegian market, and then, over time, we don't see ourselves as a long-term owner of a delivery business in Norway or any markets. We actually have just taken over and incorporated the Amedia business. The reason to do that is because we are now on a path to consolidate and streamline and actually make this a profitable, standalone parcel delivery service business.

And by doing that, we think we can create shareholder value when we are ready to do a transaction.

Yulia Lalutska
Analyst, UBS

Okay, clear. Thank you very much.

Jann-Boje Meinecke
Head of Investor Relations, Schibsted Marketplaces

Okay. Thanks, PC. I think, Ed, you had your hand up, but now it's down, so I'm not sure if you still have the question.

Silvia Cuneo
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

My question was on delivery, which has been well answered, so thank you.

Jann-Boje Meinecke
Head of Investor Relations, Schibsted Marketplaces

Perfect. Then I currently don't see more questions on the webcast or no hands here. So I think we can close for today.

Christian Printzell Halvorsen
CEO, Schibsted Marketplaces

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

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