Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding ASA (OSL:WWI)
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Earnings Call: Q4 2025

Feb 12, 2026

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Good morning. Welcome to fourth quarter results for Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding and for the year end of 2025. Christian, it's been quite a year.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

It-

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

That's done some real good.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah, and it's been a pretty volatile backdrop as well. But I must say, when we look back at the year, we've delivered 49% total share return to the shareholders, which we feel is pretty good. At the outset or the start of 2025, I'm not sure if we would have forecasted such a trajectory. But anyway, it's nice to see that at this point in time. We've had solid growth on EBITDA for the group. And of course, when it comes to our associates, Wallenius Wilhelmsen and Hyundai Glovis, they've been performing pretty well as well during the year. And all of this in a very, very, I would call it, difficult and chaotic backdrop.

We've had tariffs and wharfage in the USD wharfages, which had a potential of up to $400 million in negative effect for Wallenius Wilhelmsen on an annual basis, now seem to be a bit of a distant memory, although it's not that long ago.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

It's not gone away.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

It's not gone away. It's just put on pause, but still, luckily, that it was put on pause-

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Mm

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... so we weren't hit as hard. But the backdrop is really, it's a challenging backdrop for us. So, but when we look at the rest of, say, the performance of the group, we've had a pretty good distribution to shareholders in addition to the general, say, growth in share price. We distributed $117 million during the year in combination of buybacks and dividends. We've paid down quite a lot of debt during the year for the group and the holding company. We've invested a fair amount in our various businesses. We are focused on growing the segments and the business units that we do have.

We took Treasure private during, say, the tail end of the year. We were also party to taking Edda private, together with our partners in Edda. We've increased our position in Reach during the year by exercising the options, which took us to just shy of 30% ownership in that company. And of course, there's a lot of organic growth within the various businesses. All in all, we've invested more than $200 million within our portfolio of businesses during the year, not counting associates. And then, on top of this, given the, say, significant macro backdrop that we see, there's been quite a few internal efforts in order to improve efficiency in many different ways or forms. And that's...

Unfortunately, we had to depart with many good colleagues during the year, and also other efficiency measures that we've initiated, which I think is an important driver or continuous driver for this business. So, then again, summing up, it's been a good year, but it's challenging, and some of our businesses are probably at peak or maybe even past peak of a super cycle. So just going briefly into Q4, it's been a relatively strong quarter. We've had strong EBITDA growth in our underlying business units. We've had good contribution from our associates, although somewhat down from Wallenius Wilhelmsen during the quarter, compared to last quarter.

All in all, it's ended up with a strong contribution to equity holders of the company, of $129 million. For the year, it accounts to $652 million. Just, I didn't mention that on the previous slide, and of course, we did the Treasure transaction during last quarter. Yesterday, we had a board meeting, where the board is proposing the dividend distribution for to be put forward to the General Assembly, with 20 NOK per share for the first dividend, and potential up to 8.5 for the second dividend. And that takes us up in the upper quartile of our dividend policy, the way that we measure it, which will then equate to 5%.

In line with the 3%-5% yield target. Okay.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Oh.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Here we are.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Roll back.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Roll back. So, Maritime Services, yes, a pretty okay quarter. I think the underlying fundamentals for Maritime Services are pretty strong. The general maritime industry or the shipping industry is faring at a pretty high level. And of course, servicing more or selling products and services to more than 50% of the merchant fleet, that's our total market, so it's an important backdrop for us to have. We've had significant profit improvements or efficiency programs in place during the year. The quarter, we saw a somewhat small drop within Ship Service, which is the largest part of the Maritime Services segment. I think it's that happens. There's nothing dramatic with the drop that we saw there.

So overall, I think we can say that it was a good quarter for Maritime Services. On the margin side, in the Q3, we did have some one-offs, so the margin improvement is reflecting that.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

You could add, though, Thomas, that in this area and in this segment, that's where we really have to fight toward sort of the currency fluctuations. So that's a continuous fight, and we are sort of coming from a very high level when it comes to USD, NOK, for instance, which is the most dominant currency. And we do see that that's something we need to really fight on a rolling, day-by-day basis. And then very important to do efficiency measures on a rolling basis to get that-

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... positive effect on the EBITDA and the operations from the businesses.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Thank you. Very, very important part, and I would say that's actually the biggest threat we see to the Maritime Services segment going forward, or in at least the short to medium term. How are we able to position ourselves versus the currency?

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Mm.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

So, if we then go over to New Energy, it's a little bit of a different-

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Mm

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... different picture because here we have a, say, a positive effect of a weaker US dollar. When we talk about currency, it's very much related to the US dollar versus other local currencies. Because in WMS, US dollar is the predominant currency, and we have a lot of local currency costs related to our operation. For New Energy, especially when it comes to NorSea Group, that's a Norwegian kroner-denominated company. So, when we have a decline in the US dollar, then we actually have an in... we call it an inflation on upward pressure on, when it comes to total income, so, converted into US dollar. But it's been a strong quarter also for New Energy, and it's been a very strong year for New Energy.

Driven largely by NorSea Group, but also with Edda having vessels coming on stream or on water, that adds, say, to the positive contribution. There's also been a few vessel sales in Edda during the quarter, which is positively contributing. So, I think that's all in all, pretty good. We see also with Reach Subsea, although today's results are probably not what we had hoped for, but they are, say, progressing well when it comes to these unmanned vessels. One is on its way to Australia or is in Australia-

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Australia

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... and one is operating here in Norway, and there's two more coming. So that concept is slowly but surely proving itself. So, it's an interesting, interesting journey.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

When it comes to Holding and Investments, of course, this is very much driven by Wallenius Wilhelmsen and Hyundai Glovis. We had a $99 million contribution from associates, $66 million from Wallenius Wilhelmsen, which is down quite significantly, actually, from last quarter. But still, it's on a high note-

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Mm

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... and thirty-three million from Hyundai Glovis. If we look at the backdrop of say the car and Ro-Ro industry, there are some major say drivers happening. During 2025, more than 70 new vessels were added into to the overall fleet. That has been, I would say, more or less all absorbed. And reason for the for this is really the growth of export out of out of China. So we see a continuous increase in the export out of China, but we're seeing a continuous decrease export out of Europe. This is causing an imbalance. It's not very good for say the general profit levels, but it's good when it comes to utilization of of the fleet.

So, so the order book, which, at the peak, had more than 43% in it, is now down to, say, just about 20. So it's... we've been, I would call it, probably a little bit positively surprised in how, how the industry has been able to absorb the influx of, of, new vessels.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

I don't know, Thomas, if you want to sort of also mention the Qube takeover bid?

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah, could do. We have a small position in percentage terms in a fantastic company in Australia called Qube. We've been one of the founding investors of this company. We have roughly 1%. It equates to approximately $80 million in money terms. Macquarie, a large fund in Australia, has made a bid for Qube. It's a conditional bid, so it's a little bit difficult to forecast whether this will actually come through. But anyway, they have made a bid for the company at a decent price. So, if they manage to do a satisfactory due diligence or another acquirer comes on the scene, we will most likely sell our shares in Qube during the year.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

As far as we know, there is an exclusivity period sort of running through the 15th of February this-

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yes

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... this month.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

So we don't know what's happening, but that's the sort of thing we know as for now.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

We do also know that it will definitely take some time.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yep.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

So, we'll see how that goes. It's a fantastic company, so, we are happy to remain a shareholder, and, if someone is able to make a good bid and take it over, then we wish them good luck because they will end up with a fantastic asset base. Just to pause a little bit on Hyundai Glovis, since we took Treasure off the stock exchange during the quarter. Just to give a little bit of an historical backdrop. We were invited back in 2004 or 2003, 2004, to invest in in Glovis, as it was called at that point in time. We acquired 25% of this company, which was, at that time, a privately owned company. We invested $100 million.

In 2005, Hyundai Glovis, which it was renamed to, went on the stock exchange, which diluted our shareholding to 20%. A little bit of technicality, but we stock listed Wilh. Wilhelmsen ASA in 2010, and through that separate listing, Hyundai Glovis shareholding was part of that delisting. That's the company which is today Wallenius Wilhelmsen. In 2015, we did a demerger and through the company called Treasure, which then became a separately listed entity on the stock exchange, only owning the shareholding in Hyundai Glovis.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

At that point, 72.8%, actually.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Wilhelmsen Holding owned 72.8%.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yep.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

We had some ambitions of actually looking at how we could use Treasure ASA to also expand into other business areas. That was not, well, it was not. The feedback we received from the other shareholders was that they preferred Treasure ASA to solely own the shareholding in Hyundai Glovis. So that's been the platform ever since. But there's also been a wish from both Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding shareholders and also Treasure shareholders, that we would acquire the remaining shares, which we then did. So now, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding owns the full 11% of Hyundai Glovis. Throughout this period of time, we have sold 9%, roughly, of the company. It's been a fantastic financial investment.

You can see on the right-hand side of the slide here, just a little bit in terms of quality, both the profitability and the distributions during that period. And of course, this remains. It's a very, very significant part of our asset base. It's an industrial strategic investment, where we have a very long-term perspective, and it's also giving us a very, very interesting platform in Korea, which is quite unique for a Norwegian-based company. So I thought I would just have that as a little bit of a backdrop, since we did the take private operation of Treasure also during the quarter. So when it comes to the outlook, we feel that we've been able to build a very, very strong platform within the Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding group.

We have both in terms of our people, the general infrastructure, the balance sheet, and also slowly but surely building some liquidity. We believe this is important. We know that the maritime and the shipping industry is volatile, and we think this is important to position ourselves for the future. We've been, as a company, operating in this market for more than 160 years, and we intend to do so also going forward. So we are positioning ourselves for the future to be resilient and also to be a strong supporter of the businesses that we do have in the portfolio, and also to be able to branch out in potential, say, new areas, or business opportunities going forward. So with that, thank you very much, and I'll leave it to you, Christian.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Thank you. Thank you, Thomas. I'll walk you through some of the numbers. And starting off with the Q4, which Thomas basically has walked everyone through. And coming back to the top line, top line quarter to quarter three is basically flat. EBITDA up some, with Maritime Services delivering $28 and $26, and New Energy delivering $22. And New Energy then basically delivering on a very high note, as Thomas alluded to. Coming to the share of profits from associates and JVs, just as a reminder, and probably all the listeners and viewers basically know this, but the share of profits is not the same as cash from the associates.

So, specifically not from, from, Hyundai Glovis, but not from anyone. It's sort of from their, their accounts. Again, giving us a strong EPS with $3+ per share, not the same as cash per share. The total year, again, the year, as Thomas said, growth on the top line close to double digits. Strong on Maritime Services and the. It's sort of as a GDP plus company or area, it's kind of actually strong that we are growing at that number. New Energy as well have been NorSea as the, in a way, the star for the segment.

And again, strong, annual EBITDA, both from New Energy and Maritime Services, with Maritime Services delivering $112 million and New Energy delivering $79 million. Really strong, on an annual basis from JV's and associates when it comes to the, to the their share of profits. With, as you said, Wallenius Wilhelmsen delivering $406 million, and then also, as of yesterday, proposing, or deciding actually, a quite substantial dividend and extraordinary dividend for the, for the the second half of 2025.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Which is good for us, and I must say on the efficiency measures that WMS and NorSea Group, that they are able to take out, say, to the extent that they've been doing these efficiency measures in, say, a growing trajectory. I think that's a pretty good effort from the teams.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah, and it's a really good response from the operations and from the different organizations on the challenges that we are seeing coming.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Mm.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

So dollar is actually weakening. So we see it's coming, and we are taking measures immediately, not waiting for sort of someone to tell us or anything, but we are taking measures. Thought I would sort of allude to sort of the financial items a bit because we don't sort of spend too much time on those, and for the year being on the positive, positive side, sort of interest rates are typically sort of on the, on the negative side, and we have to pay $26 billion on the, on the interest rates. But on the other side, and giving it to the plus, hedges and hedges on the currency is giving us a plus $26 million. So we do have some hedges when it comes to the USD and other currencies, but that's also...

That's on a rolling three years, so it's not giving us anything more than sort of some relief, but it's not giving us a profit forever.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Mm

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... unfortunately. And also, a value uplift when it comes to the asset management of $22 million, as some main contributors. Strong EPS per share, as you said, close to $15 or just above $15 per share. On the cash through the year, and Thomas said sort of, we are delivering a lot of cash through the year from the operations and from taking in from dividends.

If you go through the cash from operating activities, then being basically the New Energy and WMS side, a very sort of CFO-friendly stack there because Maritime Services running at really delivering the cash, not sort of losing the cash in working capital and then basically being able to grow the top line without sort of taking too much, I think it's $3-$4 in increased working capital, which is really good. Then we must really sort of applaud on the New Energy side because they are delivering the cash flow operation, which is strong.

But at the same time, I'm not saying it's sustainable, but it is really good that when you grow, you're delivering results and you are actually contributing positively with $17 million on the working capital. That's really good work. So that's CFO-friendly stuff. When it comes to the dividend, basically, that's I must say that that's also CFO friendly. Of the 411, 375 is coming from cash from Wallenius Wilhelmsen. 21 coming from Hyundai Glovis and 11, 12 from New Energy side. On the stack, which is called other investing activities, close to $115 million is short-term money funds.

$75 million is, as Thomas said, that's the dollar equivalent of investing in the activities we do own. So that's sort of hardware, software, not only being computers, but also then assets in the different areas that we do own. And in the Reach and Edda, two businesses, we have invested close to $40 million through the year. Thomas gave you the number $117 million of a dividend and share buybacks for the year. We have paid down debt. It's basically that we have paid down debt in WMS. WMS basically being debt free as for now, I'll come back to that as well.

Technically, but rightly so, on the other financing activities, the main negative or the main contributor is spending or investing $127 million on purchasing all the remaining shares of Treasure, and $40 million is leasing payback. So starting off with $155, ending up at $214 for the year. And again, rock solid balance sheet, I would say. We cannot sort of disagree on that, Thomas. There is a debt maturity profile, as you can see on the right side of the picture. And as probably all the viewers and listeners do know, it's a pretty good market to do financing and with a good balance sheet, it's even hopefully better and under good operation.

So we are working on, what I would say, pushing that green stack out of the picture, or at least, more than four years, as we speak. So, trying to utilize the good times of financing to refinance some of the picture. And as you say, as you see, there is basically no debt in WMS as of now. And, as you can see on the bottom right, liquidity is sort of increasing through the period as the last five years. The board, as Thomas said, proposed a NOK 20 per share dividend to be approved by the general assembly later this year.

To give the board authority to additional NOK 8.5 per share. Just sort of as a reminder, how do we account our sort of ambition or the target? So it's a very easy mathematical choice. We do actually say that we have an ambition, a target to 3%-5% dividend yield of the average of A and B shares by the end of year.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yep.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

That's the sort of very simple calculation. A and B shares average times whatever comes out, that's the target that we are sort of aiming for. The first dividend will take us into the mid-3%, and if decided by the board later on, the 8.5 will take us to 5% through our measures.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

It's probably fair to say that this has been the way we've been doing it for many, many years.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yes.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

So it should be no surprise.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

And as stated in the top paragraph, that we will continue on a rolling basis, as we have done the last four or five years, to purchase back shares, as I have shown to the market and to the business earlier on in the other years that you see on the stacked on the right side. So that's us still continuing shaping the maritime industry.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Thank you so much. I think we will open up for questions.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yes.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Thanks, Christian, and thanks for listening in.

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah. Hi, Anna Kvanlan, Investor Relations. We have a first question from Helene Tingvoll with Pareto. How do you look at your ownership in Glovis? Do you have a long-term perspective on this? I think you touched upon it, Thomas.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah. Yes, definitely. We, we see this as a very long-term strategic ownership. And as I showed on the, on the slide, we've been an owner since 2004. It's a fantastic company. They've been developing, say, at tremendous speeds during those 20+ years. They have a strong position within their markets. They have a strong balance sheet, and we have a very good relationship with both Hyundai Glovis and the overall Hyundai Group. So this is definitely a long-term shareholding for us.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

And we could sort of add on to sort of we do have industrial ambitions to sort of seek development together with the sort of Glovis company as such, but also the Korean market as such, to develop further industrially as we go along. And we have some smaller sort of tests on that, and we will continue on that work going forward.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah.

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

We have a few questions-

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Mm

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... regarding capital allocation, first from Jørgen Lian with DNB. We continue to forecast a substantial cash inflow in the years ahead with a strong balance sheet. I would appreciate your thoughts on where to apply this capital for future growth. Any specific segments, sectors that offer appealing growth today? And in magnitude, would you prefer smaller bolt-on acquisitions, or would you be comfortable with larger transactions?

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

It's a-

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

So sorry.

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

No, go ahead. Go ahead.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Well, we should... I think it's a very good question, and of course, it's pretty all-encompassing of what we're looking at, and in a way, of how we will position ourself for the future. Just to start with the small bolt-ons, I'm sure there will be smaller bolt-ons along the way. The challenge with the small bolt-ons is that smaller acquisitions often take quite a lot of time and resources with relatively small, say, financial effect, but it might have, say, other aspects to it in terms of strengthening certain, say, product positionings or service positionings, within, say, the broad portfolio. So, I don't think we should, say, rule out bolt-ons happening also in the future.

But of course, it's a little bit more exciting to have somewhat larger acquisitions, either within the current portfolio in order to strengthen and broaden the base, or whether it's completely new arenas, as when we entered, for example, Edda-

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Mm

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... a few years ago, or when we acquired and started the journey with NorSea Group. So that's definitely part of our strategy going forward.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

And just to sort of... it's not career-promoting to sort of test on that, but of course, it's been in sort of the space of shaping the maritime industry.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Of course.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

So, so-

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... so, that, though, it's in that or those arenas that we are sort of testing, looking, and trying to develop the group as such.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

But I think it's also fair to say that we're in a very different financial position today, both in terms of solidity and liquidity than we were a few years ago. But at the same time, values have increased, at least on the steel side, for the last three years, which of course we need to be diligent and patient in terms of how we execute this.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Since we haven't sort of said anything now about sort of shareholders and others, obviously, we will also invest in our shareholders by buying back shares and paying dividends and reducing debt, if possible, further on as well. So it's a combination of growing, and it's a combination of taking care of the shareholders we do have.

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

I think that covered the other questions from, from the investor as well.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Mm. That's all?

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

That's all.

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

That's all.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Okay.

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Um-

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Thank you very much for listening in.

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... and, we're looking forward to-

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Sorry, Anna, the last, final question.

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

There came in a question right now.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah.

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah, what are you going to do with all the cash you generate when you only pay out a relatively low percentage on the cash?

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah, I think that was-

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

I think you were-

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... in a way covered-

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

... by what we just said.

Anna Kvanlan
Head of Investor Relations, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Yeah, thank you.

Thomas Wilhelmsen
CEO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

So, we'll see during the years, or the year and the period going forward, but 2026, it will be an exciting year, probably as 2025 were, in terms of significant volatility, in terms of geopolitical and the overall macro space of everything that's happening. So, we'll watch it, and we'll do our best to maneuver in a challenging backdrop. But as we said many times, we believe we have a strong platform, so we should have the strength to navigate through choppy waters. Thank you very much for listening in.

Christian Berg
CFO, Wilh. Wilhelmsen Holding

Thank you.

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