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Earnings Call: Q3 2021

Mar 16, 2021

Operator

Good afternoon. Welcome to Aspen Group's fiscal year 2021 third quarter earnings call. Please note that the company's remarks made during this call, including answers to questions, include forward-looking statements, which are subject to various risks and uncertainties.

These include statements relating to the anticipated impact on the pre-licensure unit following the implementation of double cohorts in the main Phoenix campus and of the expansion of the pre-licensure program in new metros, including future revenue growth and operational scale, the expected launch date of the initial core program semester in Nashville, the expected timing and geography of further campus expansion, course start, and revenue growth forecast for the fourth fiscal quarter of 2021, our expectations regarding future course start behavior, expected operating losses of new campuses and the expected time they will achieve profitability, expected increase in growth margins in future quarters, revenue estimates and trends, D&A trends, our estimates concerning bookings, LTV, MRR and ARPU, our estimates concerning and experience with our accounts receivables, our expectations regarding EPS loss and adjusted EBITDA loss in the fourth fiscal quarter, and our liquidity.

Actual results may differ materially from the results predicted, and reported results should not be considered as an indication of future performance. A discussion of risks and uncertainties related to Aspen Group's business is contained in its filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended April 30th, 2020, and the prospectus supplement dated August 31st, 2020, and in the press release issued this afternoon. Aspen Group disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of future development. I'd like to remind you that during the course of this conference call, the company will discuss adjusted net income loss and adjusted EPS loss per share, EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA, which are non-GAAP financial measures in talking about the company's performance.

Reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures are provided in the tables in the press release we issued and the Form 10-Q filed by the company today. There will be a transcript of this conference call available for one year at the company's website. Please note that the earning slides are available on Aspen Group's website, aspu.com, in the presentations page under company info. Now, I will turn the call over to Michael Mathews, Aspen Group's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Good afternoon. Today, we delivered a revenue increase of 33% year-over-year, in line with our guidance previously shared on our last earnings call. Quarterly bookings increased 24% year-over-year. We ended the quarter with nursing students making up 87% of our total active student body, up from 84% in the prior year period. While we delivered strong enrollment growth in every unit of the company, the primary growth driver in the quarter was Aspen University's nursing+ other unit, led by our doctoral programs. United States University, or USU, also saw outstanding enrollment growth in the quarter with a 43% increase year-over-year, primarily from MSN, family nurse practitioner, or FNP enrollments. Aspen's pre-licensure BSN unit, our highest LTV nursing licensure degree program, continues to benefit from several favorable macro trends as these students are primarily millennials looking to enter the rapidly growing nursing profession.

Demand in Phoenix has exceeded our expectations. Because we do not want to have a large waiting list, we made a conscious decision to temper enrollment growth for first-year prerequisite students at our Phoenix pre-licensure campuses, which have a full pipeline of first-year students. This moderated the unit's enrollment growth in the quarter to 15%. Looking into the second half of the calendar year, there are two factors that will have a positive impact on the pre-licensure unit. One is the implementation of double cohorts at our main Phoenix campus to meet demand for our pre-licensure program. As of the February 2021 semester start, Aspen University implemented its first double cohort enrollment.

Given two cohorts entered the core BSN pre-licensure program at the main campus, and another cohort entered the program at the HonorHealth campus, that equates to an increase of over 70% from the prior year period for the Phoenix Metro core program. Let me provide further detail on the impact of double cohorts. Aspen University has six semester start dates per annum at both campuses in Arizona. With the introduction of double cohorts at its main campus in Phoenix, the university is now on track to annually start over 500 students at an annual rate of approximately $20,000 in the final two-year core program, which is up 67% from the prior run rate for both students and revenue.

This excludes revenues from over 1,500 first-year online prerequisite students that are currently enrolled. The double cohorts for the core BSN pre-licensure program in the Phoenix Metro and the subsequent impact on our revenue stream for this profitable high LTV degree program demonstrates the potential scale of our model. The second factor is the expansion of the pre-licensure program in new metros. In the second half of 2020, we launched new pre-licensure programs in Austin and Tampa, where as we did with both of our Phoenix campuses, we experienced startup operating losses as the campuses opened. As enrollment in these two programs grows, we will see the double benefit of higher revenue growth and operational scale. The most recent expansion in our pre-licensure program is the launch in Nashville, Tennessee, where we began marketing to first year prerequisite students earlier this month.

We're targeting to begin our initial core program semester in Nashville in August 2021 in clinical partnership with NorthCrest Medical Center, TrustPoint Hospital, and Nashville General Hospital. Following the Nashville opening, we will have successfully launched five locations in four states since mid 2018. Aspen Group's strategic roadmap targets having 12 operational BSN pre-licensure locations throughout the Western and Southern United States by 2025. The majority of Aspen University's pre-licensure students are part-time or full-time working adults, and we strive to cater to their needs. We offer the majority of our BSN pre-licensure program curriculum online, together with an on-campus applied learning component that's offered with both day and night weekend program options, which differs from traditional on-campus, five days a week day program format. In addition to affordable tuition and flexible payment options, the ability to work while attaining a life-changing degree makes our program very popular.

As I mentioned earlier, a factor in our growth this quarter was strong enrollment at USU, primarily from FNP students, all of whom are registered nurses or RNs. The FNP enrollment growth is especially notable given the dramatic increase in nurses' workloads due to the acceleration of COVID-19 infection rates throughout the quarter. That said, with RNs currently representing 69% of the company's total student body, we did see the headwinds these students faced late in 2020 and the first few months of 2021 due to what we call COVID wave two, which led to lower course starts than originally forecasted at both universities in the quarter. Our BSN pre-licensure students, of course, are not yet nurses, and this program was unaffected. As stated in our last earnings call, we anticipated this effect would have an impact on class starts within our student body of predominantly working nurses.

We expect that to continue through the balance of this fiscal year. Given that our predominantly RN student body has been especially overwhelmed over the past several months, we wanted to understand the reasons for their decisions to reduce their pace of class starts, and we found that it fell into four categories. First, these students rescheduled upcoming course registrations to a later date. Two, they made requests for a temporary leave of absence. Three, they requested to delay their placement into their preferred clinical location, timed with that facility accepting new in-person students again. Four, they made course or program withdrawal requests due to family emergencies, pressures at work, or emotional distress or lack of time.

As a result, in addition to typical seasonality in the third quarter, which includes the November and December holiday months, Aspen University saw approximately 4% less course registrations than expected in our Aspen Nursing+ other unit. This equates to approximately $110,000 of reduced revenue per month relative to the company's historical performance. USU's MSN-FNP program also saw a similar course start decline of approximately 4% in the quarter relative to the company's historical performance, which equates to approximately $60,000 of reduced revenue per month. COVID wave two has continued into the current fourth fiscal quarter ending April 30th, and as a result, we're forecasting a decrease of approximately 4.5% for course starts than seasonally expected in our Aspen Nursing+ other units and USU's MSN-FNP program. Consequently, we anticipate year-over-year revenue growth to be in the range of 31%-33%, or $18.4 million-$18.7 million.

This is compared to the company's previous forecast of 36% growth for $19.1 million. We welcome the news that vaccines should be available to all adults by the end of May, assuming the vaccine rollout goes as scheduled. By the end of our fourth fiscal quarter, we anticipate the course start behavior of our predominantly RN student body to return to historical levels, which would be during our first fiscal quarter ending July 31. Outside of the lower course start activity due to COVID, our enrollments and operating metrics continue to outperform the industry. Our proprietary Edtech platform consistently yields industry-leading marketing metrics. Our technology is a key differentiator in the for-profit education sector and is the cornerstone of our model that enables our low customer acquisition cost, which we refer to as cost per enrollment or CAC.

Our proprietary enrollment CRM is perhaps the most advanced system in the higher education industry. Using a real-time algorithm, the system prioritizes leads in real time for our enrollment advisors and notifies them where that individual is in the enrollment process and recommends the next step. Our enrollment advisors, therefore, always have a prioritized database to maximize lead to enrollment conversion rates. This is one of the key reasons why our CAC remains the lowest in the industry. As I previously stated, our overall pre-licensure enrollment growth was restrained 15% due to our decision to flatten first-year enrollments in Phoenix. This in turn moderated our year-over-year increase in bookings and average revenue per enrollment or ARPU. As a result, bookings rose 24% to $33 million, while ARPU increased 2% to $15,513.

The company's weighted average CAC increased 19% on a sequential basis to $1,365 as expected, given we launched marketing in two new metros and materially increased marketing spending the past two quarters, there has historically been a one to two quarter lag effect in increased marketing investment to revenue. That said, the marketing efficiency ratio or MER, representing revenue per enrollment over cost per enrollment for both of our universities remained above 11x . I'll complete my remarks today by discussing our BSN pre-licensure expansion and the short-term effect that it had on our EBITDA margin in the quarter. As we've previously stated, our strategic plan is to open two new locations per year, one in the spring, one in the fall. Last spring, we encountered a delay in the regulatory approval process in Florida related to COVID restrictions.

This delay meant that we launched marketing and began staffing in both the Tampa and Austin metros within about one month of each other. This was our first full quarter of marketing in both locations with minimal startup revenues, so it caused an aggregate operating loss in those two metros of just over $800,000. As we previously disclosed, each new location experiences operating losses of approximately $750,000-$1 million in the first calendar year of operation. We do anticipate that these new campuses will begin generating profit in year two based on the precedent that was set in Phoenix.

The good news, as Rob will discuss momentarily, is the fact that our two more mature pre-licensure campuses in Phoenix, which have now been open for just over 2.5 years and 1.5 years respectively, delivered net income and EBITDA of $1.8 million, or a 52% margin in the quarter. Despite the operating losses in Austin and Tampa, the overall pre-licensure business still delivered a 28% EBITDA margin in the quarter. This again demonstrates the leverage of our pre-licensure business and why we prioritize these strategic investments. Before I complete my remarks, I'd like to thank our former CFO, Frank Cotroneo, for his hard work and contribution to Aspen Group over the last 15 months. The company has greatly benefited from Frank building an outstanding finance and accounting team and helping to upgrade the company's financial processes and infrastructure.

The company is fortunate to have Rob Alessi as our Chief Accounting Officer. Rob is the interim head of our finance team and brings a broad base of experience, including Big Four public accounting, internal auditing, and public company controllership. Rob, with my oversight, is performing the Chief Financial Officer duties while we conduct a CFO search. We have interviewed several excellent candidates thus far and hope to finalize our decision by the end of our fiscal year. Now I'll turn the call over to Rob to review our financial results for Q3. Please go ahead, Rob.

Rob Alessi
Chief Accounting Officer, Aspen Group

Thank you, Mike, and good afternoon, everyone. I will begin with a review of our financial results for the 2021 fiscal third quarter, followed by our expectations for the upcoming fourth quarter. Total revenues for the third quarter were $16.6 million, up 33% versus the year-ago period. Our highest LTV businesses, Aspen University's pre-licensure BSN and USU, primarily FNP program, now accounts for 51% of our consolidated revenue. Aspen University's traditional post-licensure online nursing+ other unit, which includes our growing doctoral programs, contributed the remaining 49% of total company revenues in the quarter. As Mike indicated, our revenue growth continues to be driven by new student enrollments in our highest LTV programs, which increased overall by 22% to 2,129. Aspen University generated 1,593 new student enrollments, up 16% year-over-year, attributable to strength in its doctoral and nursing+ other degree programs.

United States University delivered 536 new student enrollments, a 43% increase year-over-year, primarily from MSN, family nurse practitioner, or FNP enrollments. The FNP enrollment growth is especially notable given the demand on nursing professionals on the front lines of the pandemic. As Mike explained earlier, Aspen University intentionally slowed year-over-year enrollment growth at its Phoenix pre-licensure campuses. These campuses currently have a full pipeline of first-year online prerequisite students, this decision moderated pre-licensure enrollment growth in the quarter to 16%. Gross profit and gross margin were $8.7 million and 52%, respectively, versus $7.1 million and 57%, respectively, in the year-ago period. Overall instructional costs were $3.9 million, or 24% of revenue, up from $2.6 million or 21% of revenue in the year-ago period.

The increase in instructional cost as a percent of revenue was primarily due to the hiring of full-time faculty for the pre-licensure program at the main Phoenix campus to support double cohorts that began in February, as well as faculty hiring at the new campuses in Tampa, Florida, and Austin, Texas. Total marketing and promotional costs for the third quarter were $3.6 million, or 22% of total revenue, up from $2.5 million or 20% of revenues in the year-ago period. The increase of marketing as a percentage of revenues targeted primarily to our higher LTV program with growth spending in our two new pre-licensure metros. General and administrative costs for the quarter were $10.6 Million compared to $8.6 Million for the comparable prior year quarter, an increase of $2 million or 23%.

Given revenues increased year-over-year by $4.1 million, the G&A increase of $2 million continues to track against our long-term goal that G&A will grow at approximately half the rate of revenues. From a company bottom line perspective, the total net loss for the third quarter is $2,815,266, or net loss per basic and diluted share of $0.11, compared to a loss of $2,281,052, or net loss per share of $0.12 in the prior year quarter. Adjusted net loss for the third quarter is $2,114,096, or adjusted net loss per share of $0.09, compared to a loss of $923,719, or adjusted net loss per share of $0.05 in the prior year quarter. From a unit perspective, Aspen University's net income for the quarter was $1.4 million versus $1.3 million in the prior year period.

USU's net income was $0.3 million versus net income of less than $0.1 million in the prior year quarter. AGI incurred a net loss of $4.5 million for the third quarter compared to a loss of $3.6 million in the prior year quarter. With our net loss of $2.8 million, our adjusted EBITDA, including approximately $800,000 in gross capital expense relating to ramping up the Austin and Tampa campuses, was a loss of $0.9 million or - 5% margin in the third quarter as compared to a net loss of $2.3 million in adjusted EBITDA of $0.2 million or 2% margin in the prior year quarter. From a unit perspective, Aspen University generated net income of $1.4 million in adjusted EBITDA of $2.5 million in the third quarter.

Aspen's pre-licensure BSN program generated net income of $1 million and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 28%, as the unit delivered $1 million of the $2.5 million adjusted EBITDA generated at Aspen University. Pre-licensure program in Phoenix generated net income and adjusted EBITDA of $1.8 million or 52% margin. While the two new metros, Austin and Tampa, incurred a net loss and adjusted EBITDA loss of $0.8 million for the quarter. USU generated net income of $0.3 million and adjusted EBITDA of $0.5 million in the third quarter. Finally, AGI Corporate incurred a loss of $4.5 million and an adjusted EBITDA loss of $3.8 million in the quarter. Shifting to our fourth quarter forecast, as Mike indicated, we anticipate year-over-year revenue growth to be in the range of 31%-33%, or $18.4 million-$18.7 million.

This is compared to the company's previous forecast of 36% growth or $19.1 million. From a bottom-line perspective, we expect our net loss per share to be in the range of $0.11-$0.13 and adjusted EPS loss in the fourth quarter to sequentially improve from $0.09 to $0.04-$0.06. Note that the EPS loss we're estimating in Q4 includes approximately $0.04 for the severance and stock compensation expense related to Frank Cotroneo's separation agreement. As our shareholders are aware, the increase of the company's accounts receivable over the last several years has predominantly been the result of our groundbreaking monthly payment plan or MPP. We introduced in 2014 at Aspen University, and subsequently in 2018 at United States University.

In history, we've issued approximately $70 million of credit to Aspen University MPP students, and to date, we've written off $631,000, or approximately 1% of that accounts receivable. Our bad debt reserve for this AR is currently $2.5 million, which we believe is conservative because our current collection history and analysis suggests that we will not ultimately need to write off more than about 2.5% of that $70 million, or a total of $1.8 million, which includes the $631,000 written off to date. Okay, now let's discuss USU's MPP accounts receivable. Because as you likely recall, we offered nurse practitioner students a six-year MPP plan over a two-year period from 2018- 2019. The majority of the company's increase of accounts receivable this fiscal year is related to that MPP plan.

To be specific, the company's long-term AR during the first nine months of this fiscal increased from $6.7 million- $9.9 million, with USU accounting for 83% of that increase. The company's short-term accounts receivable during the nine-month period of this fiscal year increased from $16.1 million- $18.8 million, with USU accounting for 70% of that increase. Here's the important fact to be aware of. As I just stated, while the majority of accounts receivable increase for the company in the past year-plus has been through issuing credit to nurse practitioner students at USU, the collection history of these FNP students is tracking materially better than our collection history of Aspen University MPP students. Let me explain. From 2018- 2019, we issued approximately $17 million of credit to USU FNP students on the six-year payment plan. We've collected to date $8.3 million of that $17 million.

The remaining accounts receivable is approximately $8.7 million. The total student count that makes up the $8.7 million of MPP FNP student accounts receivable is approximately 800 students. 44% of those 800 students have graduated, while 50% remain active students today in the university. The remaining 6% are no longer enrolled. Of those 800 students, we only have 43 students that have not made a recent monthly payment, which accounts for total accounts receivable of $205,000, or 1.2% of the total credit issued to date. In other words, we're estimating the six-year MPP accounts receivable to perform materially better than Aspen's history, which, as I just indicated, has performed well to date.

As we look back on that six-year payment plan we offered to nurse practitioner students at USU, it shouldn't come as a surprise that the quality of that credit we issued is so strong, as becoming a nurse practitioner is a life-changing event for these students. Their income averages over six figures once they are employed as a nurse practitioner, which can be up to double the average income of registered nurses in the U.S. Moving to our liquidity position. Cash used in operations for the quarter was approximately $3.2 million versus $1.8 million in the year-ago period. For the nine-month period, our cash used in operations is $5.3 million, or an average of $1.8 million per quarter. As you know, our cash used from operations in a given quarter can be materially affected based on the timing and size of our semester starts.

Aspen Group ended the quarter with approximately $10 million in unrestricted cash. Together with our unused revolver of $5 million, we ended the quarter with approximately $15 million of liquidity resources. Additionally, we have $1.3 million of other current assets on the balance sheet, which represents our tenant improvement allowance that will be reimbursed upon the completion of the campus build-out. We expect the $1.3 million to be reimbursed either by the end of this fiscal quarter or next, which will increase our liquidity by that $1.3 million. With respect to our share count, the weighted average number of common basic shares outstanding at the end of the quarter was 24,544,334, versus 19,420,987 in the year-ago quarter. That concludes our prepared remarks. I will now turn the call back to the operator for questions.

Operator

Thank you. To ask a question, you will need to press star then one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, please press the pound key. Again, that is star then one if you would like to ask a question. Our first question comes from the line of Darren Aftahi with ROTH Capital Partners. Your line is now open.

Darren Aftahi
Analyst, ROTH Capital Partners

Hey, guys. Good afternoon, and thanks for my question. Couple if I may. First, Mike, your comments about course starts sort of normalizing beyond April. I'm just sort of curious what gives you confidence that's going to be the case?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Good afternoon, Darren.

Darren Aftahi
Analyst, ROTH Capital Partners

Hi, Mike.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

We have seen an improvement so far in the month of February and in the first half of March. Assuming that improvement continues, we expect that our fourth quarter-- sorry, our first fiscal quarter will come back to a level of normalcy.

For registered nurses. As everyone knows, it looks like most adults will have the ability to be vaccinated by the end of May. That's right during the beginning of our first quarter.

Darren Aftahi
Analyst, ROTH Capital Partners

Got it. Fair enough. Your pre-licensure EBITDA margin's 52%, exceptionally strong. I'm curious, as we think about one, that's obviously not including double cohort. With double cohorts, where's the theoretical ceiling there? Then as we think about other geographies, we probably shouldn't be thinking about the business with that high of margins, or am I mistaken in thinking that?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

I think you're right, Darren. We're at 52% margin, but we have the advantage, of course, of having two campuses open in Phoenix currently. We, of course, are coming into a double cohort for this quarter that we're in now. It's certainly possible that the margin could end up in the mid to upper 50s. It's possible. I don't expect that margin to be the same in our new markets. We think that the margin should be able to be definitely in the high 30s, if not in the 40s, in our other markets.

Darren Aftahi
Analyst, ROTH Capital Partners

Got it. Last one from me, the service center in Tampa, is that still on track, even with Frank's departure?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Yeah, it is. In fact, Rob Alessi, our Chief Accounting Officer and interim CFO, is currently in the process of relocating to Tampa, and we've made two recent hires in Tampa as well. We are moving full bore with having our corporate center based in Tampa.

Darren Aftahi
Analyst, ROTH Capital Partners

Great. Thanks, guys.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Thanks, Darren.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Austin Moldow with Canaccord. Your line is now open.

Austin Moldow
Analyst, Canaccord

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Can you talk about the cost per enrollment you're seeing at the new metros, and can you also speak to the competitive landscape you're seeing these days?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Sure. Good afternoon. One thing to be aware of is that when we launched Phoenix 2.5 years ago, we delivered approximately 500 enrollments in that first year in Phoenix, which was probably double, or approximately double our internal forecast. The second year in Phoenix really exploded as we delivered over 1,500 enrollments in our second year of operations in the Phoenix metro, which of course was across two campuses at that point. Austin, which we began about a month before Tampa, is tracking at this point to do approximately 250 enrollments in year one, which is right on our internal forecast given Austin's, we consider to be a Tier 2 size market versus Phoenix as a Tier 1. We have every expectation that Tampa will perform similar to Austin in its first year of operations as well.

By the way, we just launched marketing in Nashville a few weeks ago, and surprisingly drove 80 leads in our first few days, and we have nearly 200 leads in our first 10 days. Nashville is off to a phenomenal start. Our cost for enrollment in our pre-licensure program historically in Phoenix, as a consequence of the explanation of enrollments I just gave you, has been in that sub-$500 range. In our other markets, I would probably guesstimate that we'll be closer to more of $1,000 in our other markets. I don't think we'll be as successful as we were in Phoenix, which was in that $500 range.

Austin Moldow
Analyst, Canaccord

Got it. Thanks for that. Would you be able to give an update on your enrollment advisor count and your expectations for investment there?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Yeah, we increased our enrollment center at USU and in our traditional Aspen Nursing+ other unit at the beginning of the fiscal year. Those groups have remained flat for the last six to nine months. The only increase in enrollment advisors has been in our pre-licensure side, where we've, of course, allocated new enrollment advisors to our three new metro markets. The increase has been modest, no more than 10% over the course of the year.

Austin Moldow
Analyst, Canaccord

Got it. Last question here is, can you give a little update on your new weekend immersion locations for USU?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Yes. We have a plan by the spring to summer that we're going to have our students have the ability to conduct their immersions in three locations. One, of course, is our San Diego base, which is where all immersions have been done in history. We have completed the build-out and our new Phoenix location for weekend immersions is now open, and we'll be conducting our first weekend immersions in the coming weeks. Finally, we are very close to having our immersion set up in Tampa. We're getting close to that location being finished. In fact, Rob just explained that that build-out is almost done. As it's done, we're actually going to get the $1.3 million back again for the tenant improvement.

Austin Moldow
Analyst, Canaccord

Great. Thanks very much for taking my questions.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Raj Sharma with B. Riley. Your line is now open.

Raj Sharma
Analyst, B. Riley

Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. I just wanted some clarification on the startup costs you said for this quarter were about $800,000 for the two new campuses. You expect around the same for the next quarter. I think you also, Mike and Rob, you alluded that they are in line, startup costs are in line with what you earlier estimated, three quarters of a million to $1 million in the first year. Can you clarify that there is $800,000 this quarter, then $800,000 in the coming quarter? Is that it on the startup cost for the two campuses?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Well, okay. First of all, Raj, we've said many times that it takes a full 12 months for a new location to break even. Okay?

Raj Sharma
Analyst, B. Riley

Right.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

The operating losses for a brand new campus are very heavily weighted toward the first six months, then the losses decline quite quickly, from there on out. Understand that this quarter we had our cost basis of $800,000, was only Austin and Tampa. We're now going to start spending. We have started spending a few weeks ago in Nashville. Now we have three locations that are in that first six months startup mode. That's why we believe we'll lose about another $800,000 this quarter because, again, we have three campuses that are all sort of in that immature startup phase. We will start earning some material revenues in our first two markets, which will offset the cost of the third campus opening in Nashville.

Raj Sharma
Analyst, B. Riley

In the next quarter, you'll start earning on Austin and Tampa.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Yeah. We're earning revenues in Austin and Tampa in this current quarter. We've begun enrollment, and first-year students have already begun in both locations.

Raj Sharma
Analyst, B. Riley

Got it. Thanks. Then, on the double cohorts in Phoenix, can you clarify the sequential quarter-on-quarter improvement in revenues from now having double cohorts in Phoenix?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Yeah. It's a three-semester system for any given student. The cost of attendance for a given student over a period of a year is $20,000 per annum over the two-year period. You basically would take $20,000, divide it by three for each semester, where in that first cohort, as we've announced, it was approximately an additional 30 students in that second cohort. That would be the math.

Raj Sharma
Analyst, B. Riley

Correct. 30x the $20,000 divided by three for each semester.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Yeah.

Raj Sharma
Analyst, B. Riley

Got it. Okay. Yeah, that's it. Thank you.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Thank you, Raj.

Raj Sharma
Analyst, B. Riley

I'll go offline. Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mike Grondahl with Northland Securities. Your line is now open.

Speaker 9

Hi, this is Michael, on for Mike. Thanks for taking our questions. Maybe first off, just on the Phoenix campuses. You continue to see the strong demand there with the first-year students. Is there any plans further out to expand capacity there so you can have more coming through the funnel?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Well, we currently have approximately 1,500 first-year prerequisite students. Based on a completion rate of somewhere in the vicinity of 2/3 of those students will finish all 41 credits, go ahead and pass the HESI A2 entrance exam. Our math tells us that we currently have close to two years worth of potential core course students at this point in the university. That's why about three, four months ago, we started to slow down our marketing dollars in the Phoenix Metro in order to slow down those first-year enrollments. We would have to open a third location in Phoenix in order for that pipeline to get even wider. It's something we potentially could do in the future, but it's not on our short-term plan at this point.

Speaker 9

Got it. Just on Nashville, is there any differences you call out in that market as far as size, competition, sort of student dynamics?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Yeah, Nashville is a lot like Austin. Neither location, neither metro has any significant competition, from a for-profit point of view. Those are two markets that thus far are off to a very strong start. Tampa is a little more competitive. We're spending more dollars there to achieve the same number of leads. Again, every market's a little different. The first couple of weeks of Nashville is extremely promising.

Speaker 9

Got it. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jacob Stephan with Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Jacob Stephan
Analyst, Lake Street Capital Markets

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. On the Nashville campus, you guys are working with more than just one partner, one clinical partner. Can you explain a little bit more? Is it going to be a bigger campus, or do you need some more capacity?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

All of our campuses are pretty much similar size. We look for a location that has somewhere between 15,000 sq ft and 18,000 sq ft, and that gives us the ability to build a core program that's in that 500-student range. Again, in terms of our main Phoenix campus, we have a larger location than that, so that's why we're able to go to double cohort. I would say Nashville and Tampa and Austin, they're all going to be similar size markets and similar size programs.

Jacob Stephan
Analyst, Lake Street Capital Markets

Okay. As far as the, will you guys have room to expand the USU and FNP program in Nashville?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

At this point, because we're going to have four locations open in the coming months, San Diego, Phoenix, Tampa, and Austin, we don't have any weekend immersion plans at this point for our FNP program at USU. We could allocate some space to that if we'd like to in the future, but we felt like we're covering each part of the country at this point pretty successfully.

Jacob Stephan
Analyst, Lake Street Capital Markets

Okay. Just back to the CapEx a little bit. $800,000 in this coming quarter. Just in terms of the Nashville campus, is that more of a $750,000-$1 million annualized run rate?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Right. Again, that wouldn't be CapEx. Those are operating expenses that we're expecting, the losses that we're expecting to have with each of these new markets, collectively, all opening and in a immature status at this point.

Jacob Stephan
Analyst, Lake Street Capital Markets

Okay, great. Thanks. I'll hop back in line here.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jeremy Hamblin with Craig-Hallum Capital. Your line is now open.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Craig-Hallum Capital

Thanks for taking the question. Wanted to just follow up a little bit on the question around investments in new campuses. Obviously looking to drive your revenue base here. In terms of thinking about the plan to expand a couple of campuses a year for the next several years and thinking ahead to fiscal 2022, given that you're going to open those two campuses per year, and the upstart costs associated with that, it seems like maybe our expectations around adjusted EBITDA growth should probably be curbed, simply because of that upfront investment cost that you're going to incur, which is going to impact both your instructional costs as well as your marketing promotional line items. Is that a fair assumption?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

What I would say is that, look at the results of the pre-licensure unit, in totality for the quarter. The Phoenix operation delivered net income of $1.8 million or the 52% margin we were talking about. We were able to overcome the $800,000 of operating expenses in the two new markets and still deliver a net income of $1 million, which is a pretty respectable 28% EBITDA margin. I think the only reason why the losses were a little bit heavier than our original plan is simply because Florida was slightly delayed in terms of the regulatory approval this past year. As a result, those two campuses are kind of layered on top of each other, which is not what we plan to do in future years. This is a short-term blip that I think we have a good plan.

We're gonna try to open a new location every spring, every fall. That's a good approach for us to be able to not suffer significant operating losses as this great business is growing.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Craig-Hallum Capital

Right. I guess on a company-wide basis, if I look at adjusted EBITDA the quarter, an $865,000 loss, or a $900,000 rounded loss.

in adjusted EBITDA. I guess my point or my question is that our assumption, I guess, shouldn't be you'd made pretty significant expansion on EBITDA, let's say in Q4 of FY 2020 and Q1 of this current fiscal year you're in. Obviously we've kind of backed up, as you've opened these campuses, but you're going to continue opening campuses. I guess what I'm just getting at is, I think it's probably a fair assumption that the EBITDA growth is not going to leverage in the way that it might as you get down the road and your total number of campuses, which has really gone from two to four, and five just starting up here pretty quickly. As you get closer to nine or 10, then you probably start to see that leverage really flow through.

In the near- term, I guess my expectations would be that you're going to continue to have more investment costs as you're in year one and year two of these programs. Is that fair?

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

What I would say to you, Jeremy, is that this is a bit of a blip from an adjusted EBITDA point of view to go negative. We've been positive in previous quarters. I would say to you that we're going to be back to the break-even level in this current fourth quarter. I would not expect us, as you're forecasting the company's results in future quarters, I would not forecast negative adjusted EBITDA, no.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Craig-Hallum Capital

Okay. Yeah, I wasn't saying negative.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Okay.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Craig-Hallum Capital

There's not going to be significant growth. Okay. I did want to come back to your two newer markets, Florida and Texas. You noted that Florida in particular is a more competitive market. I wanted to just get some color on whether or not you've seen competitors adjust their pricing models as you've moved into the market. Clearly, as a leader on price, whether or not you've seen them react to your entry into those markets.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Yeah, no. What I would say to you is that, again, it's really important that each market is kind of analyzed on its own because there's a whole bunch of variables involved. There's the size of the market, there's the clinical partners and our relationship with them, who the traditional public universities are, as well as, of course, the for-profits. Florida is kind of a unique marketplace in that if you look at the NCLEX scores and where the NCLEX exams are taken, they're primarily taken by associate-level students. There's many more two-year associate-level programs, ADN programs, that students in Florida are graduating from and then taking the NCLEX to become an RN. It's a kind of an unusual market in that way.

We've entered the market with, of course, a BSN, and the cost of a BSN for us is similar to what a student would pay for a two-year associate degree. Our challenge as we're marketing into this unique market is to say to someone, "Don't go to that traditional two-year program that you were planning to go to. Come to Aspen, and you'll get your bachelor's rather than associate's, which of course, will allow you to make higher income when you become an RN." Florida, again, is a bit of a unique market because there are so many students that have historically entered nursing programs that are only two-year programs.

Jeremy Hamblin
Analyst, Craig-Hallum Capital

Great. Got it. All right. Thanks for taking the questions. Good luck.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

All right. Thank you, Jeremy.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions. I will now turn the call back to Chairman and CEO, Michael Mathews , for closing remarks.

Michael Mathews
Chairman and CEO, Aspen Group

Thank you, everyone, for attending Aspen Group's third quarter earnings call today. We look forward to speaking with you very soon. Have a good afternoon.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.