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Earnings Call: Q2 2022

Aug 12, 2022

Operator

Welcome to the Canacol second quarter 2022 financial results conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press Star then one on a touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press Star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Vice President of Investor Relations, Carolina Orozco. Please go ahead.

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

Good morning and welcome to Canacol's second quarter 2022 financial results conference call. This is Carolina Orozco, Vice President of Investor Relations. I am with Mr. Charle Gamba, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mr. Jason Bednar, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, it's important to mention that the comments on this call by Canacol senior management can include projections of the corporation's future performance. These projections neither constitute any commitment as to future results, nor take into account risks or uncertainties that could materialize. As a result, Canacol assumes no responsibility in the event that future results are different from the projections shared on this conference call. Please note that all finance figures on this call are denominated in US dollars. We will begin the presentation with our President and CEO, Mr. Charle Gamba, who will summarize highlights for our second quarter results.

Mr. Jason Bednar, our CFO, will then discuss financial highlights. Mr. Gamba will close with a discussion of the corporation's outlook for the remainder of 2022. At the end, we will have a Q&A session. I will now turn over the call to Mr. Charle Gamba, President and CEO of Canacol Energy.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Thank you, Carolina. Good morning or good afternoon to everyone, and welcome to Canacol's second quarter 2022 conference call. In the second quarter, we realized natural gas sales of 188 million standard cubic feet per day, which is above the midpoint of our annual guidance of 160-200 million standard cubic feet per day, 10% higher than the same quarter in 2021, and 3% higher than the first quarter of this year, thanks to the growing demand for gas in Colombia. If you've been following our monthly updates, you'll also know we sold 198 million standard cubic feet per day in both June and July, so we're clearly trending towards the upper end of our guidance in terms of sales lines for the year.

In line with what we said in our last conference call in May, what we've seen this year here in Colombian gas markets is that the economy has started to grow again as the effects of the COVID pandemic wane. This has translated into higher energy demand and hence higher demand for our natural gas. Our stable production and operating conditions allowed us to report another quarter with high operating margins of 77% and a relatively high return on capital employed of 16% annualized for the quarter. With respect to our current drilling activity, we continue with the execution of our drilling program plan for this year with a total of six developments and exploration wells drilled to date, from which three successful exploration wells have been realized.

Finally, at the end of the quarter, we published our 2021 ESG report, in which we reported Scope 1 and 2 GHG emission intensities that are more than 50% lower on average than our gas-focused peers and more than 80% lower on average than our oil-focused peers in North and South America. Our emission intensity is lower than the average for many broad equity indices, including some which constitute selects for having low carbon emissions. I'll now turn the presentation over to Jason Bednar, our CFO, who will discuss our second quarter financial results in more detail.

Jason Bednar
CFO, Canacol Energy

Thanks, Charle. We continue to execute our plan to develop our natural gas business in the second quarter. Reported the following for Q2 2022: $70 million of production revenue net of royalties and transportation, which represents a 31% increase from Q2 2021. The increase was driven by higher sales volumes and higher realized prices. $39 million in adjusted funds from operations, which represents a 16% increase from the same period in 2021. We also reported EBITDAX of $55 million, which represents a 24% increase from the same period in 2021. Finally, a net loss of $6 million when we reported a small net profit in the same period in 2021.

As I've explained on previous conference calls, the big driver on net income each quarter is unrealized foreign exchange gains and losses that can impact the valuation of our tax pools, which are in Colombian Pesos. In the second quarter, we recorded a deferred tax charge of $12 million, the majority of which was due to deterioration in the value of the Colombian Peso versus the US dollar, and without which we would have reported a healthy positive net income. In the event that the Peso strengthens against the US dollar in the future, the corporation would realize a deferred income tax recovery. I'll also note that in Q1 of 2022, we saw a stronger Peso, and during that quarter, we booked a $12 million deferred tax recovery, almost identical in quantum to this quarter's deferred tax expense, thus leaving the six-month year-to-date balance essentially flat.

Our operating netback was $3.66 per Mcf in the three months ended June 30, 2022, which is 17% higher than in the same period in 2021. 2% higher than the prior quarter and slightly above our guidance for $3.60 on average for 2022. In fact, this was the highest quarterly netback we've reported since the third quarter of 2019, prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. Our realized gas price of $4.73 was also the highest we've achieved since before COVID. It was at the upper end of our guidance for the year, $4.61-$4.74 per Mcf, thanks to a stronger interruptible prices. Recall that the majority of our guidance is based on sales under fixed-price take-or-pay contracts with an average fixed price of $4.74 per Mcf.

OpEx was $0.31 per Mcf in Q2, down from $0.36 in Q1. On our last call, I stated that during Q1, we were doing some maintenance work, hence the one-time quarter increase. We expect the remainder of the year OpEx to be approximately $0.30. In percentage terms, our gas royalties were $0.16 of gross revenue, which is in line with the average for the preceding two years. To further highlight the strength and stability of our natural gas business, as well as the growth that we see in our business and financial results, we want to again highlight the return on capital employed, implied by our financial statements over the last 14 quarters, averaging 16% over the last 12 months. That concludes my comments on our second quarter financial results. I'll now hand it back to Charle. Thank you.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Thank you, Jason. Our results for the second quarter once again demonstrate high and stable operating margins, as well as a very respectable return on capital employed. While weather presents an important role in power generation and gas demand in Colombia, we're hopeful that strength in electrical demand and economic recovery after the pandemic in Colombia will support continued demand growth for our gas through the remainder of 2022 and beyond. Our guidance for 2022 remains unchanged, and we anticipate production and cash flow to be near our high end for the guidance of 200 million standard cubic feet per day of average gas sales. We also continue to anticipate our CapEx spending will come in closer to the lower end of our guidance at $170 million.

Our exploration drilling program will continue at an increased pace the second half of the year as we drill ahead with two rigs currently at Claxon I and Cañaflecha II within our core area. We are planning to contract additional drilling rigs to drill some of our higher impact exploration wells planned for later this year. Tesorito, our 200MW thermoelectric plant located seven kilometers from our Jobo gas processing facility, entered commissioning this summer and is anticipated to commence generating in September of 2022. I'd like to congratulate Celsia, our operating partner, for the successful conclusion of the construction process of Tesorito. Finally, we are continuing to evaluate and clarify the bids received from the pipeline construction consortiums and hope to be able to make a selection announcement soon in order to progress this important Medellín pipeline project.

In summary, we're continuing to deliver financial results within our previously stated guidance, allowing us to proceed with both returning capital to shareholders and also investing for growth, operating from a position of financial strength. We're now ready to take any questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on your touch tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question today comes from Oriana Kovaliova of Balanz Capital. Please go ahead.

Oriana Kovaliova
Equity and Credit Research Analyst, Balanz Capital

Hi. Good morning. This is Oriana Kovaliova with Balanz. Thanks for taking my question and congratulations for the good performance over the quarter. I had three questions. If we may go one by one, that would be great. My first one related to the Tesorito entering commissioning. Just if you could share how many Mcf per day are you expecting it to bring to your top line now that it started commissioning?

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Throughout the summer, we've been selling between 8-12 million cubic feet per day to the plant during commissioning, so the plant is not dispatching. They're simply testing the motors in sequence. When the plant enters dispatch in September, dispatch of electricity, we anticipate up to 20 million cubic feet per day will be going through that plant, assuming a utilization of approximately 50% of the capacity, the 200MW capacity.

Oriana Kovaliova
Equity and Credit Research Analyst, Balanz Capital

Perfect. That's very clear. My second question in relation to your comments on contracting another drill to the high impact exploration, just if you could share how are you preparing for the drilling in Polo I. Have you made any changes to the expected drilling date and preliminary works that need to be carried over in Polo I?

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Yeah. Polo I, we've contracted a 3,000 horsepower drilling rig. It's a fairly deep well at 18,000 feet, which requires a very large rig, which is being mobilized from the United States. We've commenced activity with respect to the construction of the civil works, the drilling platform, that the rig will be located on. We anticipate the spudding of the Polo I well in November. This year, we're hoping to get the well initiated in the fourth quarter of this year.

Oriana Kovaliova
Equity and Credit Research Analyst, Balanz Capital

Perfect. Just one last one from a higher level at Canacol. We've been reading or coming across some headlines that mention a possible revival of gas exports from Venezuela to Colombia. I understand this is purely speculative at this point, but if you could share any. What are your thoughts about this, and what have you heard in the country in this regard?

Thank you.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Yeah. There has been some discussion of importing gas from Venezuela. This has always been an option for a long time. Colombia, of course, used to export 250 million cubic feet per day of gas from Colombia to Venezuela. There are outstanding agreements for PDVSA to return that gas at some point to Ecopetrol. They have never, however, landed on the price of that gas to be returned. I think that the importation of gas from Venezuela represents a very interesting opportunity. We're certainly evaluating that opportunity with respect to Canacol as well. However, there's significant. You know, there are some impediments to that scheme.

The first, of course, are the U.S. OFAC sanctions against PDVSA, which would be problematic, which would not permit export of that gas by PDVSA into Colombia. That's one issue that has to be overcome. The second is, you know, a significant investment in infrastructure in Venezuela to reactivate the oil and gas fields to be in a position to be able to export. I think in summary, you know, it's a very interesting possibility for Canacol. You know, there are some significant obstacles to overcome in the near to midterm.

Oriana Kovaliova
Equity and Credit Research Analyst, Balanz Capital

Got it. Thanks. That's very helpful. Thanks again for taking my question.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Thank you, Oriana.

Operator

The next question comes from Chen Lin of Lin Asset Management. Please go ahead.

Chen Lin
Founder and Portfolio Manager, Lin Asset Management

Hi, thank you for taking my questions. Some of my questions have already been answered. I would like congratulate for this wonderful, very excellent quarter. I noticed you start buying back shares, and your company share is trading a very depressed level after the Colombian election. So how much room you have to buy more shares from the open market? Then do you plan for any future dividend increase? Thank you.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Yeah, I can answer that. You know, the first thing I'd like to point out is that we have a very healthy dividend currently. At the share price, it's probably 9%-ish. Of course, that's a return to shareholders of, you know, approximately $28 million annually, right? You know, it's certainly not insignificant. As we have a very aggressive capital program heading into a Medellín pipeline, in terms of exploration wells, etc. You know, I think our normal course issuer bid will be more opportunistic at this stage as opposed to, you know, having a set level that we will buy, you know, for the remainder of the year.

Chen Lin
Founder and Portfolio Manager, Lin Asset Management

Okay, thank you. Can you tell us how much room you have for share buyback?

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Oh, yeah sure.

Chen Lin
Founder and Portfolio Manager, Lin Asset Management

more shares.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

It's a formula based on the free float that the TSX does every year. Our number allotted to the buyback this year was approximately 11 million shares, and we bought back between 5 and 6 million in the first half of this year, thus far.

Chen Lin
Founder and Portfolio Manager, Lin Asset Management

Okay, great. Thank you. Good to know you have more room. Can you just expand a little bit? I know it was asked previously, the high impact well. You know, a lot of shareholders are really waiting for that. What approximate when you get you know the rig to come in and approximate what time the shareholder will know that it's a success or not?

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Yes. Thanks, Chen. As I mentioned on the previous question, the rig is being mobilized, 3,000 horsepower. The civil works are being constructed, and we hope to spud the well in November. That would put results into January of next year.

Chen Lin
Founder and Portfolio Manager, Lin Asset Management

Okay, great. Thank you. Again, congratulations for the excellent quarter.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Thank you, Chen.

Operator

Again, if you have a question, please press star, then one. At this time, I would like to turn to Carolina Orozco to address some questions from the webcast.

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

Thank you. The first question that we have is from Lucas Rey from Compass Group. Lucas is asking, given the possibility that there will be no more exploration contract signs, how many years do you estimate that you could operate without problems?

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Okay, thank you Lucas. We hold interest in 11 exploration and production contracts. It'll be six in the lower Magdalena Valley, which is our core operating area. Five in the middle Magdalena Valley, which is our new high impact gas exploration area. On those 11 contracts, we have identified about 190 drilling locations, exploration drilling locations containing, on a gross unrisked basis, 18 TCF of prospective gas resource. We have sufficient inventory to drill over on those 11 blocks for at least 10 years. We have a very deep portfolio of opportunities for gas on those 11 contracts, which could see us continuing to drill exploration wells and translate those resources, 17 trillion cubic feet of gross prospective unrisked resource of gas into new reserves for commercial sales.

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

The next question comes from Rodrigo Torres from Valora Analitik. The Minister of Mines and Energy just said that the new government in Colombia would not sign any new exploration contracts for gas, and if the gas reserves goes down, we will import gas from Venezuela. What do you think and how can this impact the chemical business in Colombia?

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

I think I just answered that question, at least.

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

Thank you, Charle. The next one is Carlos Carazas from Seminario SAB. Hello. Have you estimated the impact of a hypothetical improvement of the Colombian tax reform? The government expect to change the royalty computation in P&L and OpEx. What do you expect?

Jason Bednar
CFO, Canacol Energy

Yeah, we're still analyzing the impact of the not yet approved reform.

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

Thanks, Jason. The next question is from Julio Delgado. What is the average maturity of the actual take or pay contracts that you currently have?

Jason Bednar
CFO, Canacol Energy

It's 7.3 years.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

The average maturity.

Jason Bednar
CFO, Canacol Energy

Sorry, Charle. 7.3 years is the answer.

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

Okay, thank you. The next question is from Mario Farren, from First New York Capital. The BOOM contract that you're about to sign has taken more time than expected. Can you talk about some of the issues surrounding the delay and how soon do you think you will sign?

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

No issues. We're currently drafting the final form of the agreement with the party that is being selected, and we anticipate that's back and forth drafting of the agreements, of course. We expect that we will be signing those agreements within the next month.

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

Thank you, Charle. Operator, I think we have someone else in the queue to ask a question. Can you please let him in?

Operator

Of course.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

There's one from Rodrigo Torres that you should address, Carolina.

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

Yes, it's coming through, but can we please take Schroders first, and then we will address that in chart. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Till Moos of Schroders. Please go ahead.

Till Moos
Emerging Markets Debt Portfolio Manager, Schroders

Hello. Thanks for taking my question. Congratulations on the results. My question is about Ecopetrol. They, over the last weeks, made announcement about deep water finds of gas, and it seems that potentially they could be significant, as Ecopetrol even said that they could allow the company to become exporters of gas, which I think indicates a potentially game-changing nature of this. I was wondering, what is your take on these announcements, and how would they impact the domestic market according to your very first initial take? Thank you.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

They've announced. Thanks for the question. They've announced two announcements. One is a discovery, the Uchuva-1 well in the Tayrona contract, which is located off the Guajira Coast in northeast Colombia. That well was drilled in approximately 840 m of water. It's a deep water, non-associated gas discovery. It follows the Orca-1 discovery in the Tayrona contract made by Petrobras in 2014. It's the second gas discovery in deep water in Tayrona. While it is very positive with respect to detecting the presence of gas, the failure to develop Orca, which was discovered in 2014, probably indicates commercial issues associated with developing on a full field basis, non-associated gas discoveries in that water depth.

While the Uchuva-1 discovery is positive with respect to the presence of gas, there are still uncertainties with respect to the commercial viability of developing both the Uchuva-1 discovery as well as the Orca-1 discovery, which was made in 2014, eight years ago. The second announcement that Ecopetrol made was with respect to the Gorgon-2 sidetrack, which was an appraisal well of the Gorgon-1 discovery made in the Gulf of Urabá by Anadarko in 2018. The Gorgon-1 well, which was drilled in 2018, encountered gas, and the Gorgon-2 sidetrack well, which was announced earlier this week, confirmed the presence of gas in another part of that discovery.

However, the Gorgon discovery is located in 4,200 m of water, which would make it the deepest, the ultra-deep, non-associated gas discovery in the world, with considerable issues concerning commercializing discovery in those water depths. In conclusion, there has continued to be successful detection of gas in the Caribbean coast of Colombia, both in moderately deep waters at Uchuva and Orca and ultra-deep waters in Gorgon. However, there are significant issues related to the commercial development of those fields, given the water depths for these non-associated gas fields. If they were to be developed, you would be looking at timelines between 8-10 years and multi-billion-dollar development projects.

Till Moos
Emerging Markets Debt Portfolio Manager, Schroders

I think that's very interesting, very clear. Another question is on the Medellín pipeline project. I was just wondering, what is the state of permissions and licensing there? Is there anything that could cross your plans when it comes to environmental or regulation, community consultations or so on, where the new administration might take a more critical stance on? Thank you.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Yeah. With respect to the environmental licensing. The project late last year was sanctioned by the Colombian government as a project of strategic national importance to the country. It has a special designation which will aid in the environmental permitting process. We are preparing to submit. We have received the DAA from the environmental ministry, which essentially is an approval of the pipeline route among the options that we presented. They have approved the preferred route that we wish to take. Now we are preparing to submit the detailed environmental permit late September, early October this year.

We anticipate that the license should come out in Q2 of next year, which will allow for the commencement of the construction of the pipeline in order to be ready by December 1st, 2024.

Till Moos
Emerging Markets Debt Portfolio Manager, Schroders

Thank you.

Operator

The next question is from Oriana Kovaliova of Balanz. Please go ahead.

Oriana Kovaliova
Equity and Credit Research Analyst, Balanz Capital

Hi. Thanks. No, I had just a follow-up, but it was already addressed. Thank you.

Operator

I will pass the conference over to Carolina Orozco for more questions from the webcast.

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

Thank you. We have another question from Luis Olguin from William Blair. What is the average price of your contracted volumes?

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

As we released our guidance in December, the average price for 2022 of our take-or-pay volumes is $4.74 per Mcf, net of any related transportation charges. Wellhead price.

Operator

Again, if you have a question, please press star, then one.

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

We have another question from Michael Bond from First New York Capital. No, that one has already been taken. Excuse me. Let's give us two seconds to see if we get any more questions from the webcast or in the queue.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Yeah, I see a question here, Carolina, from

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

Later we can go with Josef Schachter.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

I see a question here, Carolina, from Rodrigo Torres, from Valora Analitik. Have you seen that question?

Carolina Orozco
VP of Investor Relations, Canacol Energy

Yes. I'm gonna read it again. I think we read it before, but I'm gonna read it again, Charle. We got a question from Rodrigo Torres from Valora Analitik. He's asking, "The Minister of Mines and Energy just said that the new government of Colombia would not sign any new exploration contracts for gas. And if the gas reserves go down, we will import gas from Venezuela. What do you think and how can this impact Canacol's business in Colombia?

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Perfect. Thanks. I think, you know, with respect to Venezuela, which I've already discussed, you know, it's certainly an interesting opportunity for Canacol. It's a very large potential source of gas to commercialize here in Colombia. In addition to the two issues I mentioned previously, which were with respect to the sanctions against PDVSA and the amount of investment in infrastructure in Venezuela, which would have to be done to achieve this. There's also some uncertainty with respect to the price that that gas will be sold at within Colombia. There's a lot of issues with respect to that pricing of that gas potentially being higher than domestic Colombian gas.

Of course, I'd like to reiterate that Canacol, as I mentioned previously, has an exploration inventory here in Colombia of over 17 trillion cubic feet of gross unrisked prospective resource that we can drill through here. Thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from Josef Schachter of SER. Please go ahead.

Josef Schachter
President and Founder, Schachter Energy Research

Good morning, Charle and Jason. The question I had for Jason on the royalty deductibility. You've mentioned that you're still looking into it. Congratulations on starting to have volumes moving to El Tesorito. That was another one, and I'm glad that's moving forward. The last question I had was related to your production of oil. It's up 170%. Were these shut-in wells that were uneconomic in the past? Are you spending any money there? What's the outlook for your Colombian oil side? Of course, the revenues are pretty good. What do you see happening there going forward?

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Hi, Josef. Yeah, those that oil production comes from our Rancho Hermoso oil field located in the Llanos Basin. We operate that field, and our partners there are Ecopetrol. That field's been producing since 2008 for us. It's a very mature field. As you state, you know, the fact of the matter is you're quite correct. With the increase in oil price, we've been able to reactivate wells that were shut in due to negative economics at lower oil price. That simply reflects turning on new wells. We have not spent any capital whatsoever in Rancho Hermoso for the past eight years, and we have no intention of investing any capital in oil-related projects in Rancho Hermoso or anywhere else at this moment.

Josef Schachter
President and Founder, Schachter Energy Research

Going forward, we should then just have depletion take that number down, or is that number able to stay stable for a little while?

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

It's a mature field. It's been producing, Josef, since 2002. It's a very old field, very mature, and declines are very low. Very stable production, very low declines. We're at the sort of tail end of production from that field, which is gonna be very long and very flat in general.

Josef Schachter
President and Founder, Schachter Energy Research

Okay. Super. Thank you a lot.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Very sensitive. Extremely sensitive to oil price.

Josef Schachter
President and Founder, Schachter Energy Research

Super. Thank you very much, and congratulations again on the good quarter.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Thanks, Josef.

Operator

Again, if you have a question, please press star then one. The next question comes from Till Moos of Schroders. Please go ahead. Till, your line is open.

Till Moos
Emerging Markets Debt Portfolio Manager, Schroders

Thanks for taking my follow-up questions. It's about take-or-pay contracts. You earlier mentioned that the average maturity is 7.3 years, and I was just wondering, as contracts expire, do you plan on renewing them? Or in the new scenario, where the Minister of Mines is openly positioning against exploration licenses, would it make sense to increase your spot market exposure as prices could go up in such a scenario? Thank you.

Charle Gamba
President and CEO, Canacol Energy

Jason, can you take over?

Jason Bednar
CFO, Canacol Energy

Yeah, sure. So historically our sales profile has been approximately 80% in take-or-pay contracts. We've been in the gas business with the last 20% being interruptible. This last quarter was the strongest interruptible prices that we've seen in approximately 2.5 years. That's more internally driven with respect to supply and demand inside Colombia, as Colombia produces approximately a Bcf a day and uses approximately a Bcf a day. Obviously mature gas fields are in decline and are, you know, theoretically at least our price ticks up as demand continues to go up about 3% a year, as estimated by UPME. We've been in the gas business since 2012, so approximately a decade, and most of our clients have had renewing contracts during that term.

If you look at any one of the contracts in our portfolio, which are approximately 20 contracts in that portfolio, they routinely roll over at the end of that expiry, and we'd expect that to continue moving forward.

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