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Earnings Call: Q1 2023

May 18, 2023

Operator

Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded and a replay will be available at the company's IR website, where you can also access today's presentation. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. For the Q&A session, we ask you to write down your question via the Q&A icon at the bottom of your screen. Your name would then be announced, you will be able to ask your question live. At this point, a request to activate our microphone will appear on your screen. If you do not want to open your microphone live, please write down "no microphone" at the end of your question. In this case, our operator will read your question aloud. I would like to welcome one of your speakers for today, Mr. Cassio Bobsin, Founder and CEO.

Sir, the floor is yours.

Cassio Bobsin
Founder and CEO, Zenvia

Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us at Zenvia's Q1 2023 earnings call. I'm Cassio Bobsin, founder and CEO. Thank you all for being with us today. Our results for the first quarter show growing momentum for Zenvia as we continue to focus on profitability. Three out of the four companies we acquired in the last couple of years are fully integrated from an organizational structure perspective, and we are advancing on the integration of its systems and platforms, which will allow our SaaS business to fully capture synergies and benefit from 1 single platform. Customers are beginning to realize the competitive advantages of our unified CX SaaS platform to transform their customer journeys into digital.

We're very excited with the continuous evolution of our Quantum platform and its solutions that are now starting to leverage the massive generative AI opportunity, mostly from LLMs such as ChatGPT, that will clearly benefit companies' productivity and customer experiences overall. On the CPaaS business, we saw a recovery of volumes, mainly from large clients with sustained margins, attesting to our ability to execute on this mature business and demonstrating its potential to generate cash, which is instrumental to fund the expansion of our SaaS business. Our focus moving forward will remain on profitability and capturing cross-selling opportunities. I'll hand the call over to Shay to go into more detail on our performance. I'll be back after that for the Q&A.

Shay Chor
Comite de Auditoria, Zenvia

Thank you, Cassio. Hello, everyone, and thanks for being with us today. Let's start on slide five. In this first quarter of 2023, we remain focused on our strategy to improve profitability while executing on our savings plan since the third quarter of last year, all in the face of a challenging economic environment. As we did in Q4 2022, we continued to operate in Q1 2023 with the correct balance between revenue growth and profitability, which coupled with cost efficiencies, led to an EBITDA of BRL 24 million, making two quarters in a row of positive EBITDA. It's important to highlight a very strong cash generation as a result of a strict working capital management. Again, we did this despite the challenging and more competitive environment that we continue to successfully navigate.

Even though our total revenues dropped 9% year-over-year as a result of our focus in our profitable CPaaS business, the SaaS business continues to be our growth engine, with the top-line pro forma expansion when excluding the consulting business of 32% comparing Q1 2023 to Q1 2022. Our gross profit grew by 38%, adding 18 percentage points to our adjusted gross margin that reached 52%, which attests our full commitment and path towards profitability. Let's take a look at how each of our business is contributing to profitability. Here on slide six, you can see the breakdown of our gross profit and margin mix by SaaS and CPaaS for the first quarter of 2023 compared to the same period of last year.

We can see good performances in both businesses with increased margins, which means that our focus on profitability is paying off. Our SaaS business reached the mark of BRL 46.4 million in gross profit this quarter, a nearly 40% increase compared to the first quarter of 2022, reaching a gross margin of 68%, up four percentage points compared to the first quarter of 2022. The CPaaS, in turn, delivered a solid 38% increase in gross profit when compared to the first quarter of 2022, reaching a gross margin of 42%, up almost 19 percentage points. Let's now look at this data in terms of weight in our financial metrics. We are well on our way towards transforming Zenvia into a full SaaS company, and we continue to gain momentum on this front.

Our SaaS business reached an annual recurring revenue of BRL 59 million in the first quarter, which annualized totals almost BRL 240 million. Net revenue expansion in the SaaS business remained healthy at above the 120% level. Our SaaS services represented 38% of the total revenue in terms of gross profit, and we had a 50/50 result this quarter. We continue to explore the possibilities of generative AI to enhance our SaaS solutions portfolio, building off the integration of ChatGPT with Zenvia Attraction, which we announced in February. In March, we hosted our first ever Hack-a-Bot, an internal hackathon for humans to develop solutions for the end customer based on the ChatGPT 3.52.

The solution developed during the Hack-a-Bot are already being tested for potential integration with our suite of CX solutions with developments including improved context analysis of the conversation, grammar evaluation, and customer sentiment analysis. Earlier this month, we announced the integration of ChatGPT into Zenvia's chatbot, which can now be trained to search through and reuse documents already created within the company, enabling a wider variety of questions to have automated answers and opening many more doors for the future of the two. This integrated chatbot is already in use by a major Brazilian insurance company. Let's now move to the next slide on gross margins. On this slide, we can see the evolution of our gross margin from the first quarter of 2021 until today. We keep delivering on the promises made during our IPO.

We continue to expand our margins and have shown a 19 percentage points expansion from the IPO in Q2 of 2021 through the 1st quarter, and an 18 percentage points expansion compared to the same quarter of last year. We reach a gross margin of 52% in Q1, with our consistent results proving that we are walking the talk on our path to profitability. Looking ahead, it is worth noting here that we don't expect the gross profit for the full year to remain in the same level that we had in Q1. As for our guidance for the year, our gross margins should remain at a similar level compared to 2022. Moving on to the next slide. On this slide, we detail the progress towards cost reduction initiatives, which we started implementing in the 3rd quarter last year.

Following the downsizing of our corporate structure in the fourth quarter, combined with reducing non-personnel G&A expenses such as consulting and travel, we recorded a 9.5% reduction in G&A expenses compared to the first quarter of 2022, reaching just over BRL 31 million compared to almost BRL 35 million in the same quarter last year. On the graph to the right, we can also see the sequential improvement in our cost reduction efforts in terms of percentage of net revenue. We made good progress in Q1, thanks to our savings plan and restructuring, but it doesn't really reflect all impacts yet. We expect an acceleration in the capture of savings in the following quarters, leading to a lower ratio of expenses as a percentage of revenues. Let's move to the next slide.

In this slide, we detail our EBITDA growth since the first quarter of 2022, which is a direct result of the decision to pivot Zenvia into a SaaS company and bringing our performance back to the profitability path. It has not been easy, especially given the complex microenvironment. As you can see, our focus on profitability is paying off. EBITDA in Q1 2022 was a solid BRL 24 million compared to a negative BRL 8 million in Q1 2022 and positive BRL 23 million last quarter. It puts us on track to deliver in the top range of the guidance of the year. Zenvia history of delivering profitable operation makes us confident in our capacity to deliver a solid EBITDA expansion in 2023, as we'll discuss in a minute. Let's move to the next slide.

This slide is very important to us as it shows that we have been able to convert EBITDA into cash. EBITDA minus CapEx was already enough to generate a positive BRL 13 million, total operating cash flow reached BRL 95 million this quarter. This is a result of better working capital management, especially due to higher anticipations from clients and renegotiations with SMS providers to more flexible payment terms. This working capital improvement, coupled with the extended earn-out payments, is enabling us to pay down debt and reduce our funding gap for 2023. I acknowledge we said in the last two conference calls that we are working on a solution for our funding gap for the first half of this year, and we are indeed, but this solid working capital is actually enabling us to gain time and negotiate better transaction for all stakeholders.

We would like to emphasize that we don't see any additional difficulties. We are still working on options that include debt and equity amongst others, but we are also in a better position given how we have been managing our cash flow. To finish, we have already discussed this in our last earnings call, but I would like just to emphasize our EBITDA guidance for 2023 of between BRL 70 million and BRL 90 million. Given the EBITDA numbers we delivered in both Q4 2022 and Q1 2023 of BRL 23 million and BRL 24 million respectively, we are confident in our ability to deliver this solid EBITDA in 2023, which is putting us on track to deliver the 15% EBITDA margin mid to long-term level we presented in our 2022 investor day. With this, we conclude our prepared remarks, and we are ready to take your questions.

Operator

We'll now begin the question and answer session. Once again, for this Q&A session, we ask you to write down your question via the Q&A icon at the bottom of your screen. Your name will then be announced, and you will be able to ask your question live. At this point, a request to activate your microphone will appear on your screen. If you prefer not to open your microphone live, please write down "no microphone" at the end of your question, and our operator will read your question aloud. Our first question comes from Marco Nardini, sell-side analyst from XP. Marco, we are now opening the audio so that you can ask your question live. Please go ahead.

Marco Nardini
Sell-side Analyst, XP Investimentos

Hello, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I actually have two here on my side. The first one is a quick follow-up regarding the top-line dynamics on CPaaS. When do you expect to report top-line growth in this quarter, together with this positive trend that you have on adjusted gross margin? Can you also give us a little bit more color on the competition this first quarter, please? The second one is regarding the quarter-over-quarter drop in adjusted gross margin in the SaaS business, and the increase in the downsell. Should we see more margin drop in these segments for the year? Thank you.

Cassio Bobsin
Founder and CEO, Zenvia

I'll start with the competitive dynamics and overall understanding of how things are doing on the CPaaS, and then Shay or Caio can complement on the numbers. We're looking at Q1, and we have observing less predatory competition, which means less subsidizing on pricing amongst the competitors on the space, which is helping us since Q4 to reach better margins. We've been working very hard into eliminating any kind of negotiation that could damage our gross margins in that sense. Hence, we had a bit of decrease on the revenues as we shifted these focus to achieving profitability with each customer, especially big ones.

We expect, as we are being serving these dynamics, to get back to our profile of growth in terms of volumes that translates revenues. Hence, we don't imagine that we're gonna be able to keep the same gross margins as we go into a higher volumes, which means higher revenues. There's this kind of balance between growing and the space with customers that bring a bit less, mean, less margins, that will kind of achieve margins a bit lower than. That's why we project over the year not to get the same kind of level in the gross margin, but trying to reach the revenue growth that we expect to. Now, I think you guys can complement me on the numbers.

Caio Figueiredo
Diretor Financeiro, Zenvia

Yes, Cassio. still regarding CPaaS, what we can expect is because we lost some of volume, as Cassio said, in the second half of 2022, we expect a growth on this business line on the second half of the year when you compare to 2022. Talking about SaaS, the quarter-over-quarter performance was in fact especially including the consulting part of the business because it's related to the large clients and the pipeline in Q4, due to the macroeconomic environment, didn't perform as we expected. The sales cycle is longer due to the size of the client. We're already seeing on Q1, this pipeline better performing, so better performance. For the rest of the year, we expect the recovery for this specific business line that is focused on large clients.

Also regarding the gross margin that you saw quarter-over-quarter decline, it's a revenue mix. There's not some loss of profitability in SaaS. We are in line with our guidance, so no worries here. I don't know, Shay, if you wanna complement.

Shay Chor
Comite de Auditoria, Zenvia

No, that's it.

Marco Nardini
Sell-side Analyst, XP Investimentos

Perfect, guys. Thank you.

Operator

If you have a question, please use the Q&A icon at the bottom of your screen to write it down and we'll open your microphone. If you prefer not to open your microphone, please write down "no microphone" at the end of your question and our operator will read your question out loud.

Shay Chor
Comite de Auditoria, Zenvia

Erick, I have a couple of questions here. Let me start with them on the web. First question on funding gap here. Still have some payments on the earn-outs until the end of 2026. With this profitability improvement, how are you looking into this? Do you plan to issue more debt? The question here is, we acknowledge that there is still a funding gap, not only for some funding gap for this year, but probably until the end of next year. As of second half of 2024 and first half of 2025, we believe that our cash generation will be enough to pay for the earn-outs that we have out there.

We are, as we mentioned in our prepared remarks, we are working hard and taking advantage of the very strong working capital management that we've been doing that is buying us time to find the best solution for us to solve the short-term and medium-term funding gap. Second question here is could you please enter in more detail regarding working capital we saw in the quarter? How should we look at these numbers going forward? So we've been working very hard to change the way we look. We always looked into working capital. These are the positives of going through all the difficulties that tech companies have been going with access to funding.

So we've been improving a lot our processes, focusing on both DSO and DPO. This specifically, we entered with Twilio into a working capital transaction last in Q3 of 2022, in which Twilio is anticipating us some couple of months in revenue, so paying in advance. This provides us with very good working capital and obviously, more financial flexibility. We've been rolling this, and we believe that we'll keep rolling this and kicking the can down the road. You shouldn't expect any outflows out of this working capital. We should continue at healthy levels. On the other side, we've been negotiating with providers.

We created, more recently a procurement team that is renegotiating with all suppliers that we have, including SMS providers. We've been very successful in managing better our DPO, and this is behind. This business is usually not a business with intensive in working capital. In any ways, we are continue to work we should expect working capital to continue helping us positively going forward. Obviously not in the same magnitude that we saw in this quarter. Let me see what else we have here. Two questions regarding AI. Do you see the investments in AI GPT-4 powered features impacting our margins and profitability in the near term?

Do you expect ChatGPT AI-related features to drive higher messaging volumes, accelerating the CPaaS revenue stream? Cassio, I guess you can talk about AI and how you see this impacting us.

Cassio Bobsin
Founder and CEO, Zenvia

Yeah, sure. We've been applying LLM such as ChatGPT into the product and different parts of the product. These are usually to accelerate the usability and productivity of both managers, whether is in software or even sales reps or customer service agents that will get boost on productivity. We expect that to be a scale across the next couple of quarters. It's a bit soon to understand what will be like the real effects on that as we are not yet into a scale kind of phase, so we can really measure. We're with working in some mostly with beta phase for some customers on these different features.

We don't see like a really impacting near term change and the margins. We do expect that over time, that will bring lots of interest in the usage, especially on the automation side of our platform, which helps companies to reduce costs and bring more efficiency. Which of course everybody is looking for that in their operations. Hence we expect this to drive more adoption, especially going deeper into using our different features set of the platform. Looking at the CPaaS space, of course, as we go into more automation and when we reduce costs for companies and they're able to laverage more scale , although it's not yet possible to measure that impact. That's something that we expect in the mid to long term.

That's why we're betting that these, all these evolution in the AI space, especially on LLMs, will bring for us, a company that is focused on CX, a lot of different levers to pull in order to bring more customers, more adoption and more efficiency when using our platform to improve customer experiences.

Shay Chor
Comite de Auditoria, Zenvia

Thanks, Cassio. Another one here. What is the organic growth of SaaS for this quarter? Caio, I think you can take that.

Caio Figueiredo
Diretor Financeiro, Zenvia

Yes. Excluding the consulting part of the SaaS business, as I said earlier, that impact in Q-one, what we see in the other business lines is over 30% pro forma basis growth. Still in the 30% growth on a pro forma basis, excluding again the consulting part of the business that was impacted due to the pipeline, as I said earlier, but we are already seeing a better pipeline performance in Q1. The sales cycle is longer, so that's the impact.

Shay Chor
Comite de Auditoria, Zenvia

What is the average financing cost of working capital financing? The most of the revenue anticipation transaction is about 12% a year, so is considerably cheaper than our bank loans, which are approximately CDI plus 6%, which is now close to 20% a year. The working capital financing is really attractive in terms of cost to us. What is the annualized interest cost post Q1 with better financing option? Look, we'll continue to spend about, and to your next question here, trying to get a sense of free cash flow estimation 2023. We. Let's start with EBITDA and help you guys navigate through 2023 expectations, right? We guided for EBITDA of BRL 70 million-BRL 90 million.

Let's use the top end of the range, which is BRL 90 million, given that in the last two quarters, we delivered close to 24, so it's better to look from a, from a top end of the range. Assuming EBITDA of BRL 90 million for this year, we'll have to pay approximately BRL 40 million in CapEx, and then we'll have, give or take BRL 40 million-BRL 45 million in cost, in financing cost. That gives you a sense of our free cash flow. BRL 90 million in EBITDA, BRL 40 million in CapEx, and BRL 40 million-BRL 45 million in finance costs. I'll keep going here.

On SG&A, you said you still have to capture what level should we expect going forward compared to this almost 18% you had in Q1? I guess, Caio, you can help us here.

Caio Figueiredo
Diretor Financeiro, Zenvia

Yes. Because of the growth of the revenue, we don't expect the growth as in terms of amount of expenses. In terms of growth ahead of the revenue, we expect to be around 14% of the net revenue.

Operator

The D&A expenses.

Shay Chor
Comite de Auditoria, Zenvia

Thank you, Caio. I have one more here. Guidance for the year, especially EBITDA, feels low or conservative compared to Q1. Can you elaborate on that? When looking to EBITDA trailing 12 months, we are close to BRL 55 million, that compares to our guidance of BRL 70 million-BRL 90 million. Obviously, if we annualize both Q4 or Q1, we are tracking at probably closer to BRL 100 million in EBITDA. We are very confident that we will be delivering the BRL 70 million-BRL 90 million, which is the guidance and probably, and as all management should aim , we'll continue trying to do better than what we guided. It's still too early in the year, right? Only one quarter. At this time we reiterate our guidance.

Again, I would like to emphasize that we work very hard to continue with the same level of EBITDA that we deliver in the past two quarters and deliver more than the guidance if it's the case. Those are the questions here. Eric, can you just report to see if anyone has additional questions?

Operator

Perfect. Again, if you have a question, please use the Q&A icon at the bottom of your screen to write it down and we'll open your microphone. If you prefer not to open your microphone, please write down on microphone at the end of your question, and our operator will read your question aloud.

Shay Chor
Comite de Auditoria, Zenvia

There's one more question here, Eric. What is hindering you guys from doing a pro rata increase for all investors? As we've been saying, right, we are not excluding any alternative to help us with the funding gap. We are working with all options that we have, including debt, including equity. All of them, all alternatives have their own process and timings. We are working with them to all these options to come up with the best solutions for all stakeholders. Again, the good working capital management and the strong cash flow that we generate this quarter buys us time to evaluate the best alternatives at the shorter period of time possible. Eric, I guess that's it.

Operator

Yes. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Cassio Bobsin for his closing remarks.

Cassio Bobsin
Founder and CEO, Zenvia

Thank you very much, everybody, for joining our conference call. We are very excited with the results we've been delivering and looking at the year ahead. We've still got a lot to happen. We are very happy to be on track with our guidance. We expect to have some more good news on the next couple quarters. See you guys next time. Thank you.

Operator

Perfect. The conference has now been concluded. Zenvia's IR area is at your disposal to answer any additional questions. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a nice day.

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