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Earnings Call: Q3 2024

Oct 28, 2024

Operator

Hello, and welcome to today's presentation with Balco Group. With us presenting today, we have the CEO, Camilla Ekdahl, and CFO, Michael Grindborn. We'll do a Q&A after the presentation, and if you're calling in and would like to ask a question, please press star nine to raise your hand, and then star six to turn on your microphone. You can also use the form that has got the right if you would like to type in your questions. And with that said, please go ahead with your presentation.

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

Hello, welcome all to our presentation. First of all, for all new listeners, just a very short snapshot of Balco Group. Balco Group was founded in 1987 and consists of several balcony and facade companies. We have the head office in Växjö. We are working in two main segments, renovation and new build, and our core expertise is to supply glazed balconies and balcony solutions, primarily for the renovation market and to tenant-owned associations. We are the market leader in the balcony business in the Nordics, but we also have a strong challenger position on other European markets. And over to the highlights for quarter three, we actually more than doubled our order intake. The order intake increased by 111% to SEK 285 million , versus SEK 135 million previous year.

Here, actually, the organic order intake was 49% higher than previous year. The net sales increased by 31% to SEK 331 million, versus SEK 253 million. Here, the increase comes from the acquisitions we made earlier this year. In January, we acquired the Finnish glazing company, Riikku Group, and they have earlier been focusing on the new building segment, and they also have had subsidiaries in Finland, Sweden, and Norway. As we announced and presented in our press release previous week, we will now make some structural changes and also some, just for developing the business, and also for some smaller cost savings by closing down their subsidiaries. This means that we, in Finland, will integrate their subsidiary company, which have been working more mainly with the renovation projects.

We'll integrate that to Riikku and start a new business area called renovation area, and there we will develop the renovation segment even more. Of course, also, Riikku will continue to work with new building segment. In Sweden, their subsidiary, Riikku Sverige, will be integrated to RK Teknik. RK Teknik has been part of Balco Group since 2021 , and RK has both historical and also now very good partnership with builders, especially in the renovation segment. Now, when we add the Riikku more closer together with RK Teknik, they will, RK can broaden the offer to the builders for renovation projects, but we will also together have a very good combination and a very good strength on, the offer to the new building segment for the building here in Sweden.

In Norway, they had a subsidiary called Glassy, and that is now sold to the minority owners. Then we come to this, that we have also a new intake solution. As I have said to you several times before, glazings, all glazings are giving energy savings, and doing a glazing with a Balco, you can get up to 30% energy savings. These have been a trigger all the time for us to integrate energy-saving solutions, more energy-saving solutions in our projects. About one year ago, we implemented a solution where you could integrate air-to-air heat pumps with the tubing of them in our glazings, and that we have had very good market response for it.

We have received a couple of big, good projects for it, and therefore, now we have also developed further our solution with the air-to-air heat pumps and have it in applied for new patent in this area. So we continue to be a turnkey supplier within the green transformation. Yes, going to the market update, we are noticing an increase in the activities, but we should of course remember that it is from a low level, but this is especially for our balcony companies working with the renovation. Here we can see that during the quarter, Balco AB received a major turnkey project in Borås with a value of about SEK 60 million , where we will supply glazed balconies together with facade works, drainage, and we will also upgrade the green areas around.

We can, however, see that some of our companies are exposed for greater price pressure. This is especially valid for our facade companies in Sweden, and we have also seen tendency on the balcony companies in our balcony company in Denmark. And also in Denmark, we see that the trend of the longer process time for decision- making is also remaining. I'm very glad to say that our newly acquired Finnish company, Suomen Ohutlevyasennus Oy , has received several major projects during the quarter and the first week after. They are choosing as a turnkey supplier for three big projects with a total value of about EUR 8 million. 1.9 million of these are included in the quarter three order intake figures.

The entire group continues, of course, to have a strong focus on the order intake, because that is what we need to get and continue to get. We will be cautious about entering the price pressure projects that we can see, especially on the facade companies, that is now up for discussions. Michael, going over to the financial figures.

Michael Grindborn
CFO, Balco Group

Yeah, and some financial update, and start with the quarterly results for the group. The net sales increased by 31%, up to SEK 331 million . Here acquired growth was 43%, currency effect was - 4% in the quarter, and organic growth was - 8%. Our adjusted operating profit amounted to SEK 16 million , compared to SEK 15 million last year, and it corresponds to an adjusted operating margin of 5.0%. Our order intake increased by 111%, up to SEK 285 million . Here, acquired order intake was 62%, and our organic order intake increased by 49%. Our order backlog has increased by 25%, up to just about SEK 1.3 billion.

Earnings per share amounted to SEK -0.03 , and our operating cash flow in the quarter was SEK -1 million. If we go over to our two segments and start with the renovation segment, net sales in the quarter increased by 10%, up to SEK 247 million, and it corresponds to 75% of the total net sales in the quarter. Order intake for renovation segment more than tripled, up to SEK 250 million, and it corresponds to 88% of the total order intake. Adjusted operating profit for the renovation segment amounted to SEK 15 million, and it corresponds to an adjusted operating margin of 6.0%. Order backlog has increased by 15% to just about SEK 1 billion, and it corresponds to 78% of the total order backlog.

Go over to our smaller segment, the new build segment. Here, net sales in the quarter almost tripled, up to SEK 84 million, and it corresponds to 25% of the total net sales, and all increase, more or less, is coming from the acquisitions we have made, mostly from the Riikku Group. Order intake in the quarter amounted to SEK 35 million. Here, it is down from SEK 53 million last year. The reason behind this is that we last year received a big order in Ireland in this quarter, and this year, the organic order intake for new build segment has been -8%, so the increase. Otherwise, we have the rest coming from the acquisition of Riikku.

Adjusted operating profit amounted to SEK 3 million, and it corresponds to an adjusted operating margin of 3.8%. The order backlog has increased by 75%, up to SEK 294 million. It is 22% of our total order backlog. To have a look at our financial position, here at the end of the quarter, the group's equity amounted to SEK 799 million, with an equity ratio of 49%. Our interest-bearing net debt, excluding leasing debt in relation to adjusted EBITDA pro forma, amounted to 2.8, and it is up from 1.1 last year.

We have a banking agreement for another two years with Danske Bank until October 2026, and it's a sustainability-linked revolving credit facility of SEK 510 million, with an overdraft facility of SEK 75 million. Back to you, Camilla.

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

Yeah, acquisitions. Acquisitions are an important part of Balco Group growth strategy, and we will of course have it like that also ahead. However, of course, as you understand, with the debt situation we are in and a little bit weak result right now, we will be a little bit more cautious, but if something interesting comes up, of course, we will take that up to discussion also ahead. Going to the concluding remarks, the net sales in quarter three was SEK 331 million , and we have an adjusted EBITDA margin of 5%. As we said several times, the order intake was really good increase. It increased, it more than doubled, so we are on SEK 285 million , plus 111%.

If we look a little bit ahead, the outlook, as we said, the customer activity has continued to increase. We should remember that it comes from a little bit lower level, of course, but it continues to increase. The net sales and the profit will continue to be affected in the coming quarters, depending on the lower order intake we have had before. And of course, all companies in the group continues to have a strong focus on order intake, on the cash flow, and also the cost situation. So, we hand over for some questions.

Operator

Thank you very much, Camilla and Michael for that presentation. And yes, like I said, now it's time for the Q&A. If you're calling in and would like to ask a question, you can press star nine to raise your hand, and then star six to turn on your microphone. You can also use the form located to the right. And we've got several questions here, and we'll start with the first one. Regarding covenants, interest coverage ratio, and net debt to adjusted EBITDA. Could you quantify this, please?

Michael Grindborn
CFO, Balco Group

Yeah, of course, we have some bank covenants, and it's on this pro forma net debt to EBITDA, and we can go up to 4.0 in a single quarter, but then we have to go down to 3.75 in the quarter after that, and then down to 3.5 the quarter after that, so we think we are still on a stable level.

Operator

Thank you. And, how is the development progressing in different parts of Sweden? And could you give more details, especially for the Stockholm area?

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

No, I cannot give any more details regarding that, neither that we are better or worse, so to say, in the Stockholm area than in the rest of the Sweden. From our perspective, it's more that we can see that it is an increase for the balcony companies all over Sweden. However, as I said, the facade companies are more under price pressure. And we have one, as you know, we have one facade company, Västerås, which are located in, yeah, you could say Stockholm area or close to Stockholm area. But we also have one in the Southwest of Sweden, and we see more or less the same situation for both of these companies with the price pressure.

Operator

How is the order pipeline developing in the U.K. and Ireland?

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

The order pipeline in U.K. is developing good. We have a lot of projects ongoing, and we also have a lot of quotations that we are calculating on. So we see that it's growing, it continues to grow. However, we have a little bit, so to say, dip in quarter three, but that is mainly depending on when you have the decisions. As you know, quarter three can be a very special quarter. And as Michael said, we had a really big order coming in previous year there. In Ireland, we have had a little bit slower, so to say, so we have not had so much order intake in Ireland after the big ones. So the main order intake in that area is coming from the U.K.

Operator

Okay. And, which interest rate level is needed for the Swedish market to really pick up?

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

I would say that we are more or less coming into that level, because now if you are looking on the longer interest rate, if you are taking, so to say, a loan of two to five years, then you can get a quite good interest rate level right now. And that you can see, so to say, it's going more or less, it's on the bottom right now, so it is really right time. But I would not say that we should expect an increase like a hockey stick. We will see a slow progress here ahead, because that will come, so to say, when you have had...

You have started to increase your rental cost, and you have come into more, so to say, on the right level in the tenant-owned associations for the cost levels and for the new rents. So I would say we will continue to see a slow increase all the time here. But I would not say. Of course, it's very difficult to say, to predict, but I would not dare to say that we will see a hockey stick.

Operator

Okay, thank you. And is the Riikku acquisition developing according to plan regarding sales and profitability?

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

The Riikku acquisition is developing according to what was expected, yes.

Operator

Is price pressure in the facade segment in Sweden getting better, or would you say it's getting worse?

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

We saw that. I would say that we saw that it started up, actually, yeah, more or less one year ago. We, from our perspective, and we see it. It has actually been a little bit worse, if you say, starting, yeah, during springtime, and also right now.

Operator

Okay. Regarding sales cost and administrative costs, they're quite low given the acquisition. Is the Q3 level also representative for Q4?

Michael Grindborn
CFO, Balco Group

Q3 is always a little bit lower, due to the summer period, when we have vacation and so on. But you shouldn't expect a big increase, compared to last year. The increase is more or less the same compared to Q4 next year. Yeah, last year.

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

Previous year.

Operator

Okay, thank you. You touched upon this, but could you talk a bit about Riikku and seasonality in order for us to better understand the Q3 quarter and perhaps also the coming quarters?

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

I don't know exactly what you mean with Riikku and seasonality, because Riikku has previously been working mainly in the new building segment. So their sales and order intake have been more connected to the building industry. And as you know, the building industry has gone down, the new building segment has gone down. But at the same time, we are doing more and more within the renovation area within Group Riikku, so we're compensating for it. Of course, it can be that you take smaller renovation projects, that could be a little bit more seasonality that they want them to be done during springtime before the summer holidays. But if you come to bigger renovation projects, that continues all the way, so to say, during the year.

Operator

Net sales increased by 31%, but profitability remains below target with an adjusted EBITDA margin of 5%. What concrete measures are you taking to improve margins, and when do you expect to reach your long-term EBITDA margin targets?

Michael Grindborn
CFO, Balco Group

We are taking some measures, as we have mentioned before, with, for example, production. We have moved some production to as we have center of excellence to, to be focused on certain kind of production in certain areas. But the main volume will be the part to build gross profit and operating profits is to get a higher volume because we still have, especially production that is not utilized. I would say perhaps just we're running at just about 50% perhaps of capacity in production, and also in our project organization operations, we have some excess capacity for a moment. It's volume that is needed.

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

We need order intake to increase just as is made now, maybe not as much because this was really a high increase, but we need a good order intake a couple of quarters, so to say, so we build up order backlog. That is what is needed to get even more efficiency, and then we will get a better result. But you should also remember that from taking in an order until it is delivered and give also revenue, that also takes a while because we are in the project business, and we need building permission and things like that.

Operator

Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. You mentioned structural changes within Riikku's operations in Finland and in Sweden.

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

Yeah.

Operator

Can you explain how these changes are expected to impact efficiency and profitability in the long- term?

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

Yeah. Regarding efficiency, it is that in Finland, we had their subsidiary, Koti, that has been working mainly with the renovation segment, and they have been, so to say, working also a little bit as a smaller, I would say, turnkey supplier. And when they are now integrated into the bigger, so to say, company, Riikku, they will start there to really drive the renovation segment within the Riikku. So we are adding on competence into the main Riikku company with the renovation competence and also to make turnkey projects. So there we see that as a development, and when we come to Sweden, there we have this company, RK Teknik, as I said, which have been working a long, long time, all the time with builders and have very, very good partnership with builders.

At the same time, we have had Riikku Sverige, who is also working with builders, but only for the new building segment. Adding these two together, we strengthen both RK Teknik when they talk to the renovation projects, getting in the competence from the Riikku glazings. At the same time, these two together will also be a very good offer to the new building area for builders. We are really, we see really now that these structure things will give a better, so to say, effect on the market. We will have a stronger offer to the market and also more focus areas. When we come, as I said, when we come to the result effect, of course, the result will come from where we see the business development, as is, as so.

But when we come to cost savings, as we said, there are smaller cost savings connected to this one. Because, of course, when we closed down the subsidiaries, we take out warehouses, we take out offices. There are a couple of people made redundant. But these are not the subsidiaries has not been so big, so you will not see big jumps in the result figures for Balco Group, depending on this.

Michael Grindborn
CFO, Balco Group

And we also save some cost in administration as well when we-

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

Yeah

Michael Grindborn
CFO, Balco Group

... merged the companies together.

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

Yeah.

Operator

Okay, and we'll take one final question here. There is a noted trend of longer decision times from clients despite increased customer activity.

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

Yeah.

Operator

How are you working to manage these longer lead times, and what strategies are you employing to accelerate project starts?

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

What we are doing is, of course, that to give, we are working very closely together with the customers. Mainly, I would say, because the longer lead times, we have mainly seen that in the Nordic countries. Here, what we are doing is that we are adding on this, as what I said before, the finance expertise by Michael that he is closely working together with the salespeople to help the customers to understand the monthly fees that will get, how they should finance the projects. So we are helping them, so to say, in the projects, to be that they dare to take the decisions. So that is, of course, one thing we are doing. Then, of course, if we can, we are also working ahead in the projects with searching for building permissions.

And so when they come to the decision, we can start up the project directly. That is also one of our activities we have. And also, yeah, to work very close with the customers so that they feel confident about the project, so they will not get any big surprises in the projects, and that they feel confident about what it will cost for them.

Operator

Okay. Thank you very much, Camilla and Michael, for presenting and also answering all of our questions. And I want to say a big thank you to everyone who followed this presentation with Balco Group today. And I wish you all a great rest of the day, and till next time. Thank you very much, and goodbye.

Camilla Ekdahl
CEO, Balco Group

Thank you.

Michael Grindborn
CFO, Balco Group

Thank you!

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