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Earnings Call: Q2 2018

Jul 18, 2018

Christopher Casselblad
Head of Investor Relations, Billerud

Good morning, everybody, and welcome to our second quarter press and analyst conference. My name is Christopher Casselblad , and I'm Head of Investor Relations. With me today I have Petra Einarsson, our CEO, and Susanne Lithander, our CFO. We will use approx. 30 minutes presenting our results and then open up for a Q&A session. I think we are ready to start. The floor is yours, Petra.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Thank you, Christopher . Let's start with the key highlights of the second quarter. To start with the positive note of the quarter, we had a strong demand during the quarter. I think that goes for all business areas, and we had a very favorable mix, as well as sales price development during the quarter. Especially, I would say, within Packaging Paper and within Corrugated Solutions. We have had a stable production, and we actually had a production record all-time high levels in four of our eight mills. So we had a production record in Gävle, in Frövi, in Karlsborg, and in Rockhammar. If you look at production disturbances, we have had very few, if any, production disturbances during this quarter if you disregard the long-planned maintenance stop that we had in Gruvön and in Skärblacka.

Looking at that, we had some startup issues in the planned maintenance stop that we had in Gruvön and Skärblacka, as I said. The main reason for that was the preparation that we did for launching the next project in Gruvön. KM7 will, as you know, start up and go live in March next year, and that is still the case. This is the last time chance we have to prepare for that startup. There were things that we needed to do from a proactive point of view during this planned maintenance stop that we had. That ended up in some delays in the startup, some six days all in all delay.

We have also suffered from increased wood costs during this quarter, and that is something that if you look at it from a overall perspective, we have a competitive situation when it comes to wood and wood sourcing and considering the fact that BillerudKorsnäs is the largest consumer of pulpwood in Sweden. This is something that is a great concern for us, and it's something that we are looking into very carefully. On top of that, as you already know also, we have had some hit from wood shortage, as we also did during the first quarter, and the hit that we had from the wood shortage situation was not as severe as in the first quarter, but we have had some negative impact of earnings also in the second quarter.

Looking at other things that has been happening during the second quarter, we have a strong progress when it comes to ongoing changes. We launched a new organization during the second quarter, where we will look at the organization to make it more agile and customer-focused. We will divide the organization in three divisions, and one of the three divisions will be solution-focused. I'm very happy also to see that during the second quarter, we have had a positive development and performance from the solution initiative that we have called Managed Packaging. Other changes that we have also launched is that we have put in place a program office in Gruvön to really have a strong focus on risk analysis when it comes to the KM7 and the next project in Gruvön.

I'm very satisfied with what has happened during these three months in the second quarter, where we have actually come to a situation now where we have daily performance and weekly pulse meetings, looking at all the risks, considering KM7 when it comes to the machine, when it comes to the mill, when it comes to the product certification, and when it comes to the business ramp-up. Thirdly, I'm also happy with the development during the quarter when it comes to operational excellence. We launched the operational excellence program in mid-June, and I look forward to the impact that we will see from that performance from the operational excellence performance program during the next coming months.

We have also put a provision of SEK 450 million during the second quarter, which will hit the EBIT results for the second quarter and of the SEK 450 million, SEK 200 million will impact the cash flow. You can divide this provision in two parts. One is strengthening the workplace environment, and it's also a result of the thorough scrutinizing of the development in operational excellence, where we have gone through all losses and looked at each improvement in all mills during that program that we launch. During that process, we have also discovered some parts that needs to be approved of to really take as we speak when it comes to workplace environment. On top of that, looking at BillerudKorsnäs from a more one company perspective, there are also some parts that we need to adjust in the balance sheet when it comes to unified accounting principles.

Last but not least, the strategic investments that we have are progressing according to plan. We have the next project, KM7, that we are looking at no changes compared to plan. We will launch the KM7 in March next year. Looking at PM10 in Skärblacka, that project is also up and running, and we will have the inauguration in September 5. With that said, I think that there are a lot of things that are developing in the right direction during this quarter, which I am very satisfied with, but there are also then parts that has impacted the earnings heavily during this quarter. Looking a little bit at each business area, we have Packaging Paper, which has increased sales 7% compared to last year. I think that they have done a very good job in taking advantage of the strong market situation that we have.

They have not seen the effect on the EBIT due to mainly that they have been impacted by the maintenance shutdown and wood shortage that has hit, especially Gruvön and Skärblacka. I think that compared to last year, we see a strong performance within Packaging Papers when it comes to market demand, and I think that they are taking a really good step forward. I think they also still have more potential when it comes to selected price increases. Looking at Consumer Board, also here we have a continued strong demand and the net sales that increases by 2%. We have high availability in production. As I mentioned, we had production records in Frövi and in Gävle during this quarter.

We also had increased raw material costs that hit Consumer Board during this quarter. We have had no opportunity to increase prices when it comes to Consumer Board. The market is expected to remain stable. When it comes to Corrugated Solutions, we have increased sales by 11% compared to last year. Also here we see a very strong performance when it comes to the market and the sales and mix improvements that we have made. We also have a very strong sales when it comes to the solution part of the Corrugated Solutions that we call Managed Packaging. When it comes to the results, Corrugated Solutions has been negatively impacted by the maintenance stop in Gruvön and Skärblacka, mainly Gruvön in that case.

We also see a positive contribution now from the solution part, the Managed Packaging, where we have seen black numbers for the last three months, which I am very happy to see. The market is expected also here to remain stable, and Managed Packaging is expected to continue with strong growth. When talking about the investments, as I said, the investments are progressing according to plan. Gruvön KM7 is keeping the timeframe, and we are targeting the startup of March next year. Skärblacka PM10 is successfully started during the second quarter. As we speak, we are trimming up the machine with really looking at the most difficult qualities in producing the paper. So far, everything looks good, and especially the quality of the paper is fantastic.

We have an inauguration in September 5. We also have open for everyone that are interesting to look at the new machine are welcome to visit Skärblacka PM10 on September 8. Operational excellence is something that we have put a lot of effort into, both during the first six months of this year, also last year. We have really put a lot of attention to the pre-study, and we have now launched in the end of June a big operational excellence program that will cover all parts of BillerudKorsnäs. The stable foundation in the program is health and safety. We have environmental performance as the second product quality and production stability. We will also put in a lot of effort to make sure that this is a digitally enabled program.

That means that digitalization will be a very strong part of the improvements. What we have done is that we have spent a lot of time at each mill, and we have made a loss analysis in detail, especially when it comes to availability and OEE in production. We have a pretty good picture now of what we will do and how much it will influence BillerudKorsnäs result. This is something that we will come back to and tell you more about during the Capital Markets Day , September 17th. As I said, the wood sourcing, the part of the dynamics when it comes to wood sourcing is changing, I think also as a consequence of the strong market that we are in.

Considering the fact that BillerudKorsnäs is such a big pulp paper producer, it is something that, of course, is on top of our agenda. Here we are looking through all parts of our sourcing strategy and strengthening that. We are looking into domestic purchases when it comes to Bergvik Öst, also if we can work in a more close way with private forest owners and also some parts that we are looking into new sourcing. Also if we can import more than we do today from other areas than Sweden. Then we are also looking into the logistics systems, if we can make cost per ton sort of in a lower way. All these three is something that is part of the strengthening of the wood strategy.

We are also launching a new organization, and this is something that we have already communicated, and we are now in the final phase of recruiting division managers. We will have three divisions. One division is Division Paper, which is very similar to the business area Packaging Paper that we have today. But in this context, it will include all the costs. So the division head of paper will be Profit and Loss responsible. So within Division Paper, we include Karlsborg, Skärblacka, Beetham, and Jakobstad. If you look at Division Board, we will merge together Consumer Board and Corrugated Solutions. The mills that will be included in Division Board is Gävle, Frövi, Gruvön, and Rockhammar. This also makes a lot of sense considering the fact that Corrugated Solutions products and Consumer Board products, to a large extent, can be produced on the same machines.

I think it's a good idea to have both businesses during one division head. Then last but not least, Division Solutions, which will enable us to really look into the packaging solution parts. Considering the vision that we have in BillerudKorsnäs to challenge conventional solutions for a sustainable future, I think this is an area for us to grow and something that needs separate attention. We are in the final recruitment stage of launching the new organization, and the new organization will go live on October 1st. If you look at the financial targets during the second quarter, we had 5% growth in the second quarter, which I think is a good performance of the company, and especially from Packaging Paper and Corrugated Solutions. EBITDA ended up at 11% adjusted, and return on capital employed at 12% for the quarter.

net debt EBITDA is still below 2.5 on 2.15. Here we have also a little bit more going into the details. I think I would like to invite you, Susanne, to help me scrutinize the numbers in this report.

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

Thank you. Okay, starting off with net sales. We have increased our net sales with 5%, as Petra just said. growth rate 5% positive. Currency has helped us with SEK 155 million in this regard. What is driving the growth is the increased sales prices that we see from Packaging Paper and Corrugated Solutions. Packaging Paper has increased their prices with about 13% and Corrugated Solutions around 10%. To compare it to the previous quarter, both business areas, it's around 3% growth in sales prices. When it comes to Consumer Board, we have not seen any increased prices. We can adjust our prices when it comes to Cartonboard. There, we don't have the long-term project contracts with our customers, so there we do still see an opportunity moving forward to also increase some of our prices.

When it comes to sales volumes, we have been negatively affected by the wood shortage. The wood shortage, overall, our volumes have gone down over a six-month period compared to the six months last year. We have lost 80,000 tons in sales volume. About 50% of that is related to the wood shortage. The wood shortage has primarily impacted Packaging Paper and Corrugated Solutions. We have also lost additional volumes in our planned and prolonged maintenance stops that Petra talked about in Skärblacka and Gruvön. Those are also impacting Packaging Paper and Corrugated Solutions primarily. This shows clearly that we also in these numbers have a negative mix as the record-producing mills are primarily within Consumer Board. Raw material cost. We see increased raw material cost primarily also, as we have talked about to a large extent. Wood costs continue to increase.

On the right side here on the chart, you see our wood cost index. That is a 12-month rolling index that shows the wood cost. On average, we can clearly see the trend now that it's moving in the wrong direction for us. Overall, over this first six months, our wood cost has increased with about 15% compared to the average wood cost per cubic meter in 2017. When it comes to chemicals, we see an increase, and that has impacted us with some SEK 80 million. Even if we still feel the pressure that chemicals overall is pressuring upwards the prices there, we can also note that the caustic soda, which is a significant amount of our chemical cost, about 25%, has flattened out on current level.

To dig into the EBITDA and the development there compared to the second quarter last year, our sales prices have increased with about SEK 380 million. Packaging Paper has increased their pricing with 13%, Corrugated Solutions some 10% year-on-year. Quarter-over-quarter, we see an increase of about 3% within both business areas. Currency has helped us SEK 155 million, and SEK 180 of those you can see in the business area P&Ls. The hedging impact compared to last year has been negative, almost SEK 90 million. You have a positive revaluation of our receivables offsetting that with about SEK 60 million. You should remember also that in this currency amount, we do not include or we don't have the numbers for, or the currency effects on our purchasing. The next item is wood shortage.

To clarify again, we clearly separate the cost or the impact from wood shortage and the demand-driven cost increases on the fiber side. Wood shortage is related to the weather, primarily in the last part of last year, beginning of this year. We said that we were going to have an impact of SEK 50 million-SEK 75 million in the second quarter. The impact actually became SEK 100 million, which was more than we anticipated, and that is due primarily to a lot more logistics cost when it comes to getting the wood to the right side and rerouting the wood to the wood yards. Our maintenance shutdown had an effect of SEK 401 million in the quarter. They were planned in both Skärblacka and in Gruvön. We had guided for, or we had estimated SEK 335 million.

We actually overrun those with about SEK 66 million, 30 million of that is taken by Packaging Paper and SEK 35 is Corrugated Solutions. We come to the demand-driven cost increase for fiber. It's about SEK 300 million in the quarter. 50% of that or SEK 150 million of that is pulp that we buy to our non-integrated mills. Beetham and Jakobstad are struggling in this environment with the really high or the record-high pulp prices, actually. The rest, SEK 150 million, is demand-driven wood cost. That is actually what the wood cost does. We should add here when we talk about the pulp and the pulp exposure, that we have previously said that this year we think we will be able to have a net exposure to the pulp market of SEK 150 million, that we will sell 150,000 tons more of pulp than we buy. This year, due to the wood shortage, we will not be able to do that, so we think the net exposure on the pulp market for 2018 will be 100,000 tons.

This year, due to the wood shortage, we will not be able to do that, so we think the net exposure on the pulp market for 2018 will be 100,000 tons. Chemicals, SEK 86 million negative impact. SEK 15 of those is currency related. As I said before, caustic soda is a large part of that, which has flattened out now. As Petra mentioned, we have also made a large provision in the quarter, SEK 450 million. SEK 160 million of that is related to improving our work environment or the environmental issues we have in our mills, primarily. SEK 170 million is related to unifying accounting principles that we have previously decided to take over time and that we're now taking one shot instead. The remaining part primarily relates to finished goods and accounts receivables and IT systems that we have put on our balance sheet that we want to write off.

200 million of the SEK 450 million we expect to be cash flow or affecting our cash flow. The rest is not. We also have a part here on the chart that you see that says other. It is SEK 90 million. That consists primarily of logistic cost. We have had also in the outbound area, severe increases in our cost due to our delays in the startup and also our wood shortage to get it out to our customers has also caused a lot of rerouting and a lot of extra fees and replanning. That is primarily driving the other column here. That brings us down to the EBIT of SEK 203 million. If we exclude the provision, it is SEK 655 million for the quarter. Moving on to our net debt.

We have increased our net debt to SEK 8.2 billion, and of course, that is driven by our strategic investment project in Skärblacka and Gruvön. When we adjust our net debt to the EBITDA, we come to a level of 2.15 compared to our target of the 2.5. If we adjust for the provision that is not cash flow impacting, we come to a 2.15 level. Always when we talk about net debt, we get the question about Bergvik, how that will impact us, and the news on Bergvik is that there is no news. We still expect the deal to be finalized by the end of this year. The outlook that we will provide is that the demand and order situation continues to be strong. We expect it to continue to be strong. We have normal seasonal variations for all business areas.

We also see possibilities to increase our prices in selected segments. We also see that the demand on wood continues to be really high, which impacts the cost development also in the future here. The last item on this list is just a reminder that we continue to have one-off impacts from our investment projects for the full year for training and the education of our extra personnel in Gruvön, SEK 75 million. We also have an increased depreciation. We speed up the depreciation on the machines that we are closing down. That impacts SEK 60 million for the year. SEK 75 and SEK 60, it is just a reminder. To summarize the quarter, we continue to see a strong demand in all business areas, strong growth. We saw really positive development on the pricing side to our customers from Packaging Paper and Corrugated Solutions.

We had 6 mills that were producing really well, and 4 of them actually made production records in the quarter. We had big negative effects from startup issues related to our planned maintenance stop and to the wood shortage. Good news is that our strategic investment programs are progressing according to plan. We also see strong progress in the change activities internally in the company that we are taking to mitigate the cost development and also to become more agile and improve overall our performance. This is also a reminder, on September 17th, we have our capital markets in Stockholm, and on the 18th, a shorter one in London. Now we will open up for questions.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question for the speakers, please press 01 on your telephone keypad and you will enter a queue. After you are announced, please ask your question. Please hold until we have the first question. The first question comes from Linus Larsson from SEB. Please go ahead.

Linus Larsson
Analyst, SEB

Thank you very much, and good morning to everyone. Maybe if we can start on the wood supply and wood cost topic. It's a very challenging situation obviously right now, and I guess the ongoing forest fires don't really help the situation. Could you maybe talk a bit about your Q3 expectations? The impact in the second quarter in terms of supply constraints was SEK 100 million. How much of an impact do you expect from supply constraints in the third quarter? Secondly, on top of this, what kind of impact do you expect for potential price increases, which, like you said, Susanne Lithander, which are demand driven, those two items, if you could maybe help us bridge Q3 versus Q2, please.

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

You take that or?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Sure. First of all, what was the question? The wood shortage and the expectations of cost for that for Q3. Right now, we have wood in our wood yards. Right now we have a situation that is, you can say, under control. However, we all hear about the fires and the dry season that we are in with the high risks of fires. The harvesting is working on a reduced pace, you can say, and they are harvesting at night in the areas where they can harvest. We should remember also that this time of the year in July is typically a low period when it comes to harvesting. There is a significant risk, of course, that we will see impacts also into the third quarter. Right now, we really don't know, and we don't have a good estimate to give for that.

It's really depending on if there will come water. Second question regarding the price increases or cost increases for wood. As you know, we typically don't want to guide on that as we are in constant negotiations with our suppliers. What we can say is that we expect it to continue to go up, maybe not in the same pace as we have seen before, but that is as far as we're willing to stretch it.

Linus Larsson
Analyst, SEB

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Maybe in connection to that, you said that there are no news on Bergvik, but on a more, I don't know, general note maybe, what's going on now in the wood market and considering what you said about BillerudKorsnäs being the biggest pulpwood consumer in Sweden, are those factors impacting your decision whether to own Bergvik long term or not?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I would say that is not something that has changed during this quarter, and I think that the prerequisites that we have moving into Bergvik and the letter of intent that we have published is still unchanged. We are now in the final stages of negotiations. As Susanne said earlier, we estimate this to be finalized by the end of the year.

Linus Larsson
Analyst, SEB

When you say, because I'm thinking maybe there is a second step to this, you will buy back the forest land, yes. What I'm alluding to is that there might be a second phase where you sell or part sell these assets maybe back to back. Would such a potential follow-on transaction also be concluded or announced if that was to happen before the end of the year?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I think that is still too early to reveal. I think that is still ongoing discussions within the board of BillerudKorsnäs. We have not yet decided. The first step is, as we said in the letter of intent, to finalize the purchase of Veideekust first.

Linus Larsson
Analyst, SEB

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Maybe one final question regarding the SEK 450 million provision that you announced on the 10th of July. You then said that this was part of the group-wide program for improved production efficiency. As far as I can tell, the initiatives that you have announced so far aren't really affecting productivity so much. My question is, should we expect more provisions of this kind to really address productivity going forward?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I think the provision from a safety point of view or from an increased productivity and efficiency point of view is something that we have really scrutinized carefully looking into the pre-study of the Operational Excellence Program that we launched in June. It is a result of the fact that we have parts of our organization where we need to improve our safety perspective. It's also due to the fact that we need to improve productivity and efficiency because the buildings that we need to dismantle and remove has, to a large extent, tubes and infrastructure depending on these buildings.

I think it's also to a major extent to reduce the risk of production disturbances that we need to do this in a thorough, careful, proactive, risk-minimizing way, because if we don't, we could have a production disturbance when this happens without us taking sort of carefully notice of it. That I think it is the main reason of why we took the provision. We cannot wait for this building to fall apart and then have production disturbances threatening the infrastructures in the mills. It is a safety precaution. It is to the larger extent, production efficiency measure, avoiding production disturbances.

Linus Larsson
Analyst, SEB

Thank you very much. Those were my questions.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Cole Hathorn from Jefferies . Please go ahead. The floor is yours.

Cole Hathorn
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you. Maybe my first question relates to the Consumer Board divisions, where the margin squeeze was quite significant. What is the path for margin recovery? Are there further pressure coming in 3Q, or have we seen the full impact of cost now? When do you expect price recovery to really start impacting the division?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I think looking at from the Consumer Board perspective, it is, as Susanne said, with the price negotiations that will come during next year. We are in a very stable price situation with the Consumer Board, but that doesn't mean that we cannot improve the result, because also here we have a big potential in operational excellence, looking at improving availability, increasing the OEE in production, but also reducing cost of quality. I believe that operational excellence and also Consumer Board also has it in their own hands to improve the result.

Cole Hathorn
Analyst, Jefferies

You think margins can improve before next year, but can margins recover to the sort of mid to low 20% levels without price increases? Will we have to wait till next year to see that level again?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I don't want to guide specifically on which quarter, but I expect Consumer Board to increase availability in production and improve to reduce cost and to have a stronger availability.

Cole Hathorn
Analyst, Jefferies

Internally.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Internally.

Cole Hathorn
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Also on the wood availability or shortage, you said that you don't have a good estimate for 3Q yet. Does that mean is base case that we remain at this SEK 100 million level, you just don't have any idea whether it's down, up, or flat? Previously you said the situation was expected to improve into 3Q. Is there no longer any improvement expected on 3Q versus 2Q?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Maybe if I start and you continue then maybe Susanne. I think that the original cause of the wood shortage was the mild weather in the Baltic area. That happened like half a year ago. Then we had the extra effects of the wood shortage affecting us due to the fact that we had the logistical system in Sweden affecting the whole industry, that also affected BillerudKorsnäs as a consequence. The root cause of everything was originally the mild weather in the Baltic Sea and in the Baltic areas. That affected BillerudKorsnäs by SEK 119 million in the first quarter, and the wood shortage was SEK 100 million during the second quarter. We have not seen disturbances to a large extent caused by the hot weather condition that we have now in Sweden during the second quarter.

I think as Susanne said earlier, this is not yet something that we can calculate on how that will hit, because that is totally dependent on the number of weeks that we will have now without rain. I think from us right now, the wood shortage is very much tied to the root cause of the Baltic mild weather. What would you-

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

No, I agree. I don't have anything to add to that.

Cole Hathorn
Analyst, Jefferies

Yes. Is the situation going, from 1Q going into 2Q, you had a small improvement or guided for an improvement in terms of how much this shortage impact would have. From now versus where we were going into 2Q, is it a similar situation? I get it, you don't know how long the dry season will last, but just looking at it now, is it a similar situation as going into 2Q, or is it better or worse?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Looking at what we know now, we have good inventories, and we have a low season, and we don't have problems that is tracked back to the Baltic.

Cole Hathorn
Analyst, Jefferies

Oh, okay.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Mild weather. I think it's.

Cole Hathorn
Analyst, Jefferies

The SEK 100 million headwind you had this quarter could be zero if you get rain and there's no impact from the dry season, but it could also be higher if the dry season-

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Yes

Cole Hathorn
Analyst, Jefferies

continues for longer. Okay.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

That's correct.

Cole Hathorn
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay. Lastly, do you have any guidance for full-year CapEx? Can you just remind us?

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

There's no changes there.

Cole Hathorn
Analyst, Jefferies

Okay, no changes. Thank you.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Robin Santavirta from Carnegie. Please go ahead.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Yes, thank you. A question related to the delivery volumes. I think you're down in Q2 44,000 tons year-on-year. Is it so, did I understand correctly that half of that 44,000 tons is due to the wood shortage you suffered during Q2? Why is the deliveries down otherwise? I understand that you have a prolonged shut in Gruvön. Is that because of that, or I'm a bit surprised that the underlying volumes are also declining quite significantly in this strong market.

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

Yeah, that's because of the prolonged maintenance, and that we didn't get the machines up in time.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay. All of that is entirely because of the prolonged maintenance.

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

Yes.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Yes.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay, good.

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

It's due to the planned maintenance in Skärblacka and the planned and prolonged maintenance in Gruvön. They both had problems with their startups. The startups were severely delayed in both places.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

During this quarter, we did not have any production disturbances, more than very, very small, if any. They were totally offset by the production records that we had in Gävle, Frövi, Karlsborg, and Rockhammar.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay, I understand. Do you have some kind of guidance for the full-year volumes as it stands today for the group? I think you used to say flat at the end of last year for this year. Do you have a guidance for this year?

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

Yes, what we said was that the guidance for the full year was that the total volumes were going to be flat, with the wood shortage now, it's going to be really not possible to reach that.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay. Related to the pricing, now you're again up Q on Q in nothing in the Consumer Board, but in the other sub-segments and segments. You said sort of opportunities to improve prices. What are you seeing in the market at the moment for Q3?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I think we see a very strong demand from an overall perspective, and we still see opportunities to increase prices and mix effects positively in selected parts of the businesses in all three business areas, I would say.

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

Yes.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Mainly within Packaging Paper and Corrugated Solutions.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay, good. Thanks. Then related to the wood raw material costs, I think you said that they're up 15% year-over-year in H1. They were less up in Q1. Can you split that, the year-over-year Q1 and Q2?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Do you have that? I don't have it in my head. We'll get back to you on that.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

We're talking probably 20% or something like that year-over-year in Q2, and then closer to 10% year-over-year in Q1.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Let's get back to you on that.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Yeah. Okay. What you're saying is that the year-over-year increase in prices will most probably accelerate in Q3 beyond the rise of the pricing of wood.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Not accelerate. No, not accelerate. We see a 15% year-

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

You said that the prices of wood you expect to continue to increase.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Yes. For the first half compared to first half last year, we saw a 15% increase. No, that's not how we say it. The 15% increase in cost for the first six months is compared to the full year average cost in 2017.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Right. You saw some underlying inflation in 2017 as well, so it doesn't necessarily mean that the year-on-year figure is higher in Q3. Is that correct?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Well, we don't see it going up as quickly in Q3 as we have seen before.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay. Thank you. Then finally, related to this project related one-offs, is it so that they are booked as non-recurring items, the SEK 75 for training and the SEK 60 million for accelerated depreciation? Are those booked every quarter as non-recurring items?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Yes. Well, the education or the training, you can see, they are booked as items affecting comparability. That's the correct term these days.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Exactly.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

The depreciation, though, you see that under depreciation line. It's only the training that impacts EBITDA.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Yeah.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

It is included, and you have a specification of all our items affecting comparability on page 21 or 22 in the report, I think.

Robin Santavirta
Analyst, Carnegie

Okay. Good. That's all from me.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. The next question comes from Oskar Lindström from Danske Bank. Please go ahead.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

Yes. Hello, this is Oskar Lindström from Danske Bank. Four questions from my side. The first one is, you've mentioned that you have wood in your woodyards. Would you say or characterize the inventory levels of wood that you have currently as normal?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I would say so, yes.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

All right. I mean, they're not dangerously low or anything like that. It's a stable situation in terms of-

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

We have parts that you could say that maybe that they are on the low side. We are not totally satisfied. We are closing into a normal situation that we have compared to other summer seasons.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

All right. If I may follow up on that. The supply of wood from the Baltic States, has your mix changed currently versus where it was over the winter season? Are you buying less from the Baltics or more from the Baltics as a result of all this turbulence?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

That has not changed substantially, I think we have looked into other sourcing opportunities. We also source from other areas. That is still something that we look into when to launch. I think we have made precautionary actions so that we are prepared if this happens again in the Baltic countries, I would say. We have not made any dramatic change in that we source from other areas. It's still a singular sort of sourcing mix that we have.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

If I understand correctly, that slide which you showed in the presentation today, are you reviewing your sourcing strategy? Could we therefore expect changes in how and where you source wood in the future?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

We are reviewing the sourcing strategies, this is something that we will come back to at the Capital Markets Day in September 17th. I think with the dynamics changing as much as they are when it comes to sourcing of wood, I think we all need to look into that question. We are not about to launch any dramatic change, we will let you in on our way of thinking at the Capital Markets Day.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

All right. Thank you. My second question pertains to the Operational Excellence Program, which you've mentioned a couple of times today. Talking about increased efficiency, I understand at least partly the provision was related to this program. Are you able to give us any quantitative goals or parameters to that program?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Yes, I am, but not today. This is something that we also will provide you in the Capital Markets Day, but we still need time to work through thoroughly all the mills. We have done one part now when it comes to the pre-study, and I think we have a pretty good picture of the potential and how much it would increase our future earnings if we release and unlock that potential. The next step now is to really make sure that we have a local ownership at the mills, and that we make a continuous improvement every month, every quarter. That is something that we will be transparent with. We are not yet on that note where we can disclose for each mill what they have committed to.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

If you-

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

That will come soon.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

in terms of sort of the overall potential of the operational excellence program, would you say that it's significant or?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Yes, I would say that it is significant.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

We should expect this in terms of primarily increased volumes or?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Yes, increased volumes, mainly look at targeting OEE, but also looking into mix.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay. Should we expect further sort of provisions or costs relating to this operational excellence program, the way you see it now anyway?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I think that we have looked through it, we have really scrutinized where we are visiting all mills and looking into this. What we believe that we can take up front, we have communicated in the provision. What I see right now, it's not part of the operational excellence program to come with yet another provision. I think we have a pretty clear picture of what needs to be done. It's more hard work that we'll take on now.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

Good. My third question is just the Gruvön mill. After this six-day extra or delay in the startup, is it running well now or?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Well, looking at Gruvön and the preparation that we have been doing, I think this is the last chance that we have to make sure that we have everything in order in Gruvön. Considering, as you know, one of the prerequisites in the next investment is the fact that Gruvön has several machines from 1930 and also an infrastructure from 1930. One part of the next program is to really make sure that we are set to go with KM7, and that also include what we call the brownfield part of next in Gruvön. I think that is something that we put a lot of attention to, but I think it was also the root cause of making sure that we took proactive measures in the investing and evaporation.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

Evaporation

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

evaporation plant to make sure that we have a stable energy balance launching KM7. I think it took longer than we thought. Gruvön needs to be in good shape now also to take care of the launch of KM7.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

Okay. That it took longer than you had planned, I mean, it's now running well. The fact that it took longer than you planned is not an indication of that we'll have problems next year. That's what I'm trying to get at.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

No.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

No.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Exactly.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

Yeah. Okay.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

It's not.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

Great. Yeah, great. Just my final question is, I mean, the way I see it, much of the weaker earnings performance is related to the inability of the Consumer Board division to compensate for higher raw material costs. I know that you're, I think, renegotiate a couple of the major contracts that you have in this division next year, or you'll have new pricing in place next year. I mean, are there any clauses that will be triggered in the meantime during H2 given the raw material cost inflation that we've seen? That was my, the first-

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I really hesitate to really reveal that kind of information because we are in pricing negotiations as we speak now when it comes to Consumer Board. That is too sensitive to have as a discussion after the second quarter in this room.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

Yeah. Maybe you can answer the second question here as well is, I mean, is there any way for you to change your product mix, or will the product mix change during the second half of the year? Is there any other way to compensate for the higher raw material costs in this division?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I think that to a large extent, short term, Consumer Board has it in their own hands to increase OEE, to have a higher availability when it comes to production and also to decrease cost of product quality. We also, from an overall perspective, have an opportunity to steer the mix. I think that is something that is very much in focus when it comes to Packaging Paper, where they are doing a great job with mix and also within Corrugated Solutions. Comparing Consumer Board and Corrugated Solutions, we also to some extent have, they are competing of the same capacity. Here we also have an opportunity to look at favorable mix for the company.

Oskar Lindström
Analyst, Danske Bank

All right. Well, thank you. Those were my questions.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, we kindly remind you, in order to ask a question, please press 01 on your telephone keypad now. The next question comes from Linus Larsson from SEB. Please go ahead.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Linus, we cannot hear you.

Linus Larsson
Analyst, SEB

Hi, I'll try again. Thank you very much for taking a follow-up question. It's relating to the Gruvön project. The startup is approaching with the planned startup in March. It will have an impact on your earnings in 2019. I wonder how much more are you going to guide the market around the impact of closing old capacity and ramping up the new capacity, and at what point in time should we expect that?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Yes, what we have said, and we repeat it now, that we will reveal more details around the ramp up and ramp downs that will happen when we go live with KM7 on our CMD on September 17th. We will provide more details on that then.

Linus Larsson
Analyst, SEB

Okay. You have guided on a volume figure for the project. Is that still relevant?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

We will come back with that information on the CMD.

Linus Larsson
Analyst, SEB

You are not reiterating that tonnage figure that you have communicated before?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

We are reviewing all of the numbers that we had previously in our calculations, of course. We will come back with all the information on CMD. One of the reasons, Linus, that we are not answering that question is that we have, as you know, put in place the program office in Gruvön, and that was put in place at the end of March. We are right now in a risk analysis gathering phase, and we divided the project in four different parts, machine ready, mill ready, product ready, and business ready. We really would like to have an opportunity to thoroughly go through all the risks and to make sure that we are not only talking about the machine part. We have to be able to look at the successful startup, business mix, and that sort of.

That is why we have made a review of the whole investment and the whole project. We need more time so that we can come back to you with the numbers at the CMD.

Linus Larsson
Analyst, SEB

Excellent. Thanks. Thank you very much.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Nordea. Please go ahead, the floor is yours.

Speaker 10

Yes. Hi, good morning. Two quick questions. You mentioned the Managed Packaging making black numbers for three months in a row. Can you just put that in the historical perspective or on a year-over-year perspective, and how is this sort of a new situation? The second question is about kind of a follow-up on the, in which grades you might be able to raise pricing, and there has been kind of reports on at least attempts to raise White top liner prices in the corrugated side. What is your view on that? Those two questions, please.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

First, I would like to say that I am very happy with the development when it comes to Managed Packaging, and I think it is the right timing now to put the solutions as a separate division within BillerudKorsnäs. I think looking at the exact numbers and the details of Managed Packaging, previous years, I have to lean on you, I think, Susanne. Well, as we have communicated before, they have not contributed positively. They have been a burden. The burden has not been very significant, however. For the first half last year, their

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

They were a burden of SEK -15 million. Now they are slightly positive, around the SEK 10-ish. Nevertheless, very important that they had turned the corner because it was completely according to the plan that they were going to be negative for the first half and then turn the corner in the second quarter. They did that a little bit earlier than planned, so that is a very good job that they have done.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I think all the great opportunities always sort of start as a small burden, and I think that they will be a substantial part of BillerudKorsnäs going forward.

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

Correct.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

You also had another question. It was exactly in which segment that we are targeted the price increases, if I don't remember correctly.

Speaker 10

Yes. Exactly right. Just sort of given the recent news about some competitors apparently trying to sort of move up or get the white top liner pricing up. That was kind of a specific question on that grade.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I think it's tricky for us to answer that in a more sort of specific way, but we have selective segments within Packaging Paper and within Corrugated Solutions where we have good opportunities for both price increases but also mix opportunities. I would like to avoid moving into each and every product segment and comment about that.

Speaker 10

Fair enough. Understand. Thank you very much.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Martin Melbye from ABG. The floor is yours.

Martin Melbye
Analyst, ABG

Yes, good morning. Could you give some more information on the, say, geographical mix of your wood purchases? You buy 10 million cubic meters. How much is coming from Sweden, Norway, Baltics, et cetera?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Can you take that, Järpen?

Speaker 11

Sure. 20% we buy from the Baltics, and the rest we buy from Sweden. That has been the historic split.

Martin Melbye
Analyst, ABG

Has that changed lately?

Speaker 11

Not significantly. We are importing a lot more. We are importing eucalyptus. We continue to do that, but not that it completely changes the mix. We are looking at possibly changing the mix moving forward, but so far it hasn't changed that much.

In which direction? Are there any regions which are cheaper, so to say?

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

I think that is too early to comment.

Speaker 11

Yeah.

Martin Melbye
Analyst, ABG

Okay. Did you say Norway, how much that was?

Speaker 11

Well, it's not big enough to get on the map.

Okay, good. Thank you.

It is a small amount.

Operator

Thank you very much. We have no more questions in today's conference call. I now hand over to the speakers of the call. Thank you.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Thank you. Do you have a question?

Operator

No, there are no further questions in the conference call.

Christopher Casselblad
Head of Investor Relations, Billerud

Oh.

Okay. I think we're going to wrap up, then.

Petra Einarsson
President and CEO, Billerud

Yes. I would like to summarize the quarter that I think it's from my expectation when looking at the company moving forward, I think that I'm quite satisfied with the changes that we are putting in place, and I think the result and the outcome of the second quarter was in large what we expected from the second quarter. We are moving ahead now with high expectations, both from ourselves and also from our shareholders and analysts. That I think that's a good thing, and I think that we can definitely deliver on higher expectations. Thank you for listening.

Susanne Lithander
CFO, Billerud

Thank you.