Welcome to Ependion Q4 Report 2025 Presentation. During the questions and answers session, participants are able to ask questions by dialing pound key five on their telephone keypad. Now, I will hand the conference over to CEO Jenny Sjödahl and CFO Joakim Laurén. Please go ahead.
Thank you very much, and welcome everybody to Ependion's Q4 report presentation. So as usual, it's Joakim and myself. We are down here in Malmö today, and the agenda looks the same as usual. So I will start with giving an overall business update. Then Joakim will move into the financial performance more in detail, and then I will take the concluding notes and outlook. And after that, we will open up for questions and answers. So looking at this quarter, well, first of all, we see that the market environment is largely unchanged compared to previous quarters in 2025. The geopolitical uncertainty remains, so that we can conclude.
Nevertheless, order intake increased in the quarter by 12%, and adjusted for the Welotec acquisition and negative currency effects, the increase was 4%. Westermo had a good quarter. If you remember, we had a weak quarter in 2023, in quarter three, driven by weak order intake from the train segment. A little bit similar to last year, that order intake bounced back now in this quarter, so that was good to see. And as we have pointed out many times, order intake, especially from the train segment, can vary a lot from quarter to quarter.
Beijer Electronics showed growth adjusted for currency with 3%. And the positive sign there is that the core offering, which is of course part of the new strategy to be focusing on the HMI product family, that increased by 7% in currency-adjusted numbers. Sales increased a little bit by 1%, adjusted for acquisitions and currency, we saw a decrease by 2%. The Westermo growth was in this quarter, thanks to Welotec, who had a good development. Whereas Beijer Electronics was impacted quite a lot by the phased-out products that we have been talking about before, compared to last year. That effect was actually some SEK 20 million in the quarter, and we didn't manage to compensate for that in this market environment.
Due to the relatively weak volumes, earnings came in lower at SEK 58.3 million, or 10%, for the group in the quarter. As we state in the headline for the report, we don't normally talk so much about currency effects, but in this particular quarter, the effects on Ependion are quite brutal, and that is also why we highlight that we had a total negative currency effect of SEK 16 million in the quarter. And on top of that, the result in Westermo is impacted by the amortization of excess values connected to the Welotec acquisition, and that corresponds to SEK 4.9 million in a negative effect in Westermo.
We had a good free cash flow in the quarter, SEK 68 million, and the board proposes an increased dividend of SEK 0.25 to SEK 1.50 per share. I can also mention, it's not written here as a bullet, but I can also mention that we do see our gross margins strengthening, and they have strengthened throughout the year, actually, in both business entities. So, with increased volumes and without adding fixed costs, we have quite a strong operating leverage in the group now. All right, moving a little bit more into the details in both, in the two business entities. Westermo orders came in at +22%. If we adjust that for the Welotec acquisition and currency, we came in at +3%.
As I mentioned, we do see a pretty significant sequential improvement, especially for the train and trackside segments, so that's good to see. The Welotec integration progresses very, very well. We are very pleased with the performance of Welotec as part of Westermo, and it has already generated concrete new business with a combined offering, so that's very positive. Sales increased 6%, but that was actually thanks to the acquisition of Welotec, organically, and currency adjusted at -6%. The sales gap that we see is mainly related to less project deliveries this quarter compared to last year. We had expected to ship a little bit more in the quarter, but there were some delays as well. Again, significant currency headwind, and the Welotec amortization led to a decreased profitability.
So overall, we came in at 14.3% for the quarter. However, if we look beyond these two significant impacts, we do see a healthy profitability in Westermo, and as I mentioned, improved gross margins as well. We mentioned the defense industry last quarter, and this quarter, the Board of Directors actually decided to add the defense industry as a focus segment within Westermo. And we also mentioned in the report that our current business within defense represents some SEK 30 million in 2025, and we do have a couple of very good customer references in this area to actually to build upon. So we are targeting to significantly increase this business in the coming years.
For Beijer Electronics, order intake at -5%, and currency adjusted at +3%. We see a stable development in the marine sector, and also a good growth for the rugged segment, while the manufacturing industry still remains weak. I mentioned before, the X3-HMI range increased with 7% in the quarter compared to same quarter last year. On the sales side, we did see a decline, -8%, but currency adjusted, basically flat. And I mentioned that last year included the SEK 20 million SEK of phased out sales volume, which we did not manage to compensate. Profitability at the low side in the quarter, 8.6%, impacted significantly by negative currency effects corresponding to 2.7 percentage points.
And also, as we talked about last quarter, we see a sequential addition of amortization on the X3 development, which also negatively impacts the EBIT. But of course, despite the fact that we have decreased costs and so on, we are not satisfied with the result for the quarter, so we continue to work on that. On the positive side, very good customer response to the new X3 family. There are 120 customers that have actually placed an order on the new series, as of now, for evaluation mainly. And what I find really, really good is that 20 of these are actually new customers.
So, this fact is very promising for the future because we are, of course, targeting to acquire a lot of new customers with this product family. So if we look at the volumes more in a graphical format, you can see on the left-hand side, the order intake ticking up quite nicely. Sales came in at SEK 582 million, or 1% last year, and - 2% adjusted for currency and acquisitions. On the volume side, orders and sales volumes, the currency effects represent some 6 percentage points negative. Positive is that we have book-to-bill at 1.10x for quarter four, so that's a significant increase in book-to-bill ratio, so that's good. And the backlog now stands at SEK 1.1 billion .
With that, I'll hand over to you, Joakim.
Thank you very much, Jenny. I will talk somewhat more about the numbers. We start with Ependion. We had then an order intake of SEK 639 million in the quarter, and that is actually the first time we are above SEK 600 million for quite some long time. Sales at SEK 582 million, as Jenny said, and an EBIT of SEK 58 million, and an EBIT percentage of 10%. As stated by Jenny earlier, there are relatively high or high FX impact compared to last year, and the amount is SEK 16 million. Main part of that is transactional variances. The translation part is SEK 2.9 million, so the main part, then, transactional, and that then corresponds to 2.8 percentage points on the EBIT side.
As Jenny said, in the quarter, Q4, we did the PPA for Welotec, as we informed about in, in last report. Now the effects of the amortizations of the excess values impact then in Q4 that we haven't seen earlier in the year, and that is the amount is SEK 4.9 million. Free cash flow, quite positive, SEK 68 million. Still somewhat lower than the record quarter that we actually had last year. SEK 68 million, impacted positively, that we have been able to lower the working capital somewhat. So that is then a good thing.
For you that look lower than the EBIT, you can notice that the tax cost is relatively low in the quarter, and the reason for that is that we-- that is, an effect of that we have changed the legal structure in Germany now, after that, we have done the Welotec acquisition, and that has then provided us to get full deductibility of the interests. That meant that the net income is actually increasing compared to last year to SEK 44 million, and also the EPS, the earnings per share, increased compared to last year with SEK 1.73. That was Ependion. Let's look at Westermo.
Here we have the good order intake, SEK 432 million in the quarter, and sales of SEK 368 million, and then EBIT of SEK 52.7 million or 14.3%. Jenny has talked about the effects of FX. So, we conclude that if we adjust for the acquisition and FX, where the number is 3%. Book-to-bill for Westermo, 1.17x, which is then a good thing going forward. Then the profitability, as Jenny pointed out, heavily impacted by the FX, 2.7 percentage points, and also then note that the Welotec amortization is then impacting also in this quarter, that we haven't seen earlier in the year, impacting them with SEK 4.9 million.
So the underlying, you could say, activities in Westermo is still on a healthy basis compared to where we were last year. And as. Then some final words on Welotec, continued very well, added to the growth, and also a positive profitability contribution to Westermo in the quarter. Then we have Beijer Electronics, an order intake of SEK 208 million, sales of SEK 215 million, and an EBIT of SEK 18.5 million or 8.6%. Also here, we have an impact of the, the FX, and adjusted for FX at +3%. And then you should note that last year we had some volume of orders also in the fourth quarter of the phased out products that we have talked quite a lot about, SEK 30 million of that.
As Jenny stated earlier, the HMI business actually grew with 7% in the quarter. Book-to-bill below 1--0.97x for Beijer Electronics. Sales at -8%, but if we compare to FX, adjust for FX, sorry, then we are slightly above 1%. Then you should note also that last year, we had about SEK 20 million of phased-out products in the sales volume in Q4 last year. So you should have that with you. We are not happy with the profitability, despite that we have a solid cost control in Beijer Electronics, still on the 8.6%, compared to the 8.3% last year. Also here, the negative impact of FX is hitting, it's 2.7%.
And as we informed about last quarter also, now, when the X3 family is fully implemented, we got additional amortizations of, of the capitalized R&D on, on the X3 that impacts about SEK 4 million in this quarter. When it comes to R&D spend, we have talked about that we will lower the R&D spend over the year, and the R&D spend is definitely lower now compared to last year. For you who watches or look at the numbers very carefully, you might know that sequentially, we are somewhat higher in Q4 compared to Q3, but that is seasonal effect. So, it is coming down in line with what we have said.
With that, I've finalized the financials, so over to you, Jenny.
Yeah. So to conclude this, when we sat here a year ago, looking on 2025, we were hoping for a more stable global business environment. That did not happen. We still see that 2025 was a year that was affected by geopolitical tensions and tariffs and continued cautious markets. We are focusing on what we can actually affect, and we mitigate these effects as much as we can, day by day, by maintaining focus on our business and on building a stronger group. And we have strengthened Ependion a lot during the year through investments in new technology, new acquisitions, but also geographical expansion, like, for example, Westermo India, and also the addition of a Westermo office in Benelux and in Denmark.
So, as we have stated before, medium and long term, we are confident about our ability to continue our profitable growth journey, because the global trends that our business is related to are still, you know, very much there in terms of digitalization, electrification, sustainable transportation, and so on and so forth. So therefore, we remain committed to creating value, regardless of market conditions, and we are, of course, focused every day on improving our businesses. And looking at our financial targets, just a reminder of that, the 10% organic growth in revenues still remain. We are not quite there yet, so we continue to have that in focus. Profitability-wise, 15% operating margin level, very much achievable.
As I mentioned before, the leverage is very high in our business, and with some volume, we will be able to improve EBIT quite significantly. And then the dividend, we just mentioned, the board proposes an increase there, to SEK 1.5 per share. And looking at the outlook then for 2026, as I mentioned, we believe that we are well positioned in attractive markets, that has an underlying growth. So we believe that medium term, we should be able to achieve both our growth and profitability targets. In the short term, however, we do see that the uncertainty persists. But still, with the investments that we have done in, product, in development, in new geographies with India and so on, we actually are cautiously positive regarding 2026 at this point.
With that, that concludes our presentation. We would like to open up for Q&A.
If you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key five on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question, please dial pound key six on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Markus Almerud from DNB Carnegie. Please go ahead.
Yeah. Hi, Jenny. Hi, hi, Joakim.
Hi, Markus.
A couple of questions from me. Maybe starting with the order intake. You talk about recovery in Westermo in particular, and particularly in the train segment, if you can give a little bit more color on that. I'll start there.
Yeah, that was your first question, right?
Yeah.
So, yeah.
Yeah, exactly. I'll start there then.
Yeah, yeah. Good.
And then last question.
Yeah, it's as we mentioned in Q3, we saw an exceptionally low order intake from the train segment in that quarter. And again, that is a natural variation, so to say, and it can have different reasons. But what we saw in Q4 was that the order intake from our key customers in the train segment were coming back, and they were coming back strongly. So it was a little bit similar pattern as we saw last year, actually. So I'm not sure if that is something we're going to see going forward, but nothing has changed, so to say, when it comes to our position in the train segment, our strong position in the train segment. So it was good to see that order intake level came back.
And if you would have any thoughts about, you know, underlying demand and kind of what, where the train segment is. Is it kind of steady compared to Q3, or is it, like, do you see any uptick in terms of conversations or how your customers are thinking about things? I mean, in train segment, in particular.
Yeah, no, I don't think that you can say that between quarters, that varies. We know that there are strong drivers for investment in rail infrastructure and trains and train upgrades and so on. And that is driven by, in the E.U., by new legislation, as well as the aim in Europe to actually have interoperability between the different countries, which requires a lot of investment in different types of system infrastructure to make that happen. So that we still see that that is happening. And then, of course, we have the Indian market with the booming investment cycle in, especially, I would say, metro systems in all the key cities in India, but also high-speed rail and regional rail and so on.
It hasn't changed between the Q4 and Q3, but we still see a positive development over time in that segment.
And our pipeline, we should say that that still looks, very healthy.
Yeah. Yes.
I mean, no, no big changes, but it's still a very healthy pipeline.
Yeah. Okay. And then in energy, two sub-questions, I guess. First, the same question, how the energy segment is developing, and then, second to that, maybe a couple of words on Welotec. And if you look Welotec isolated, how that has developed.
Yeah, well, I think that the energy segment is. I mean, we are working to win new customers and so on, and I think that we are gaining ground, and we have more and more customer conversations and so on. And the Welotec acquisition, you can look at it separately, of course, but more importantly, you need to look at it in combination with Westermo, as it looked like before. Because there are a lot of customer conversations going on jointly, so to say, with customers that Welotec used to have, but not Westermo, and the other way around, where we now can offer a much broader portfolio.
So I see that as a catalyst, really, for, for the energy segment going forward, that we now have strong customer relationships, but also a much broader portfolio to offer to these customers. So very good start of Welotec in the Westermo family.
But in the numbers, we could say it's relatively flat compared to Q3, if we look sequentially.
Yeah.
Okay. So I think, I think last quarter we spoke about you had been maybe not surprised, but there had been good start of Welotec and then previous just Westermo seeing customers together and presenting the offering together, and that is still in discussion phases. We haven't really seen that materialize yet. It's still in that kind of presenting phase. Is that how you see it? Yeah.
Yeah, but I think that we have moved forward because we do see, we actually do have a couple of concrete orders that have been won from this, from this joint conversation. So, it's starting to materialize, I would say.
Okay. That's good to know. And then, moving on to X3, maybe, there is still-- I mean, very good with 120 customers who's placed orders and, but I assume it's still on evaluation purposes, no really big orders yet. When should we expect for these evaluations to kind of start turning into bigger volumes? What is the kind of normal time looking back into history?
I would expect that to happen gradually now during 2026. It's hard to say exactly when, so to say, but gradually, definitely, we should start to see that. And a lot of the customers that are using X2 today have, of course, ordered X3 now for evaluation and testing, and we expect these customers to actually gradually move over to the new product line. And in addition to that, as I mentioned, of course, the aim is to also win new customers with this very new and modern platform. But I think we will see a very gradual, yeah, shift here during 2026.
And then, finally, maybe just a housekeeping question. The SEK 4 million in depreciation increase in Beijer Electronics, I assume, is that kind of level where we should expect it being forward, I mean, in coming quarters and maybe next couple of years, and also with the PPA, is the same question, basically, the SEK 5 million in PPA?
Yeah. When it comes to the X3 amortizations of the capitalized R&D, yes, what you see in Q4 is what you can expect in Beijer Electronics going forward, for 2026. When it comes to the amortizations in Westermo that is then hit by the excess value that level that you saw in Q4, you can also expect to continue in the rest of 2026 and going forward.
Okay, perfect. Thank you very much. That's, that's my questions for now.
Thank you, Markus.
Thank you, Markus.
The next question comes from Henrik Alveskog from Redeye. Please go ahead.
Okay. Hello, you hear me?
Hey, Henrik.
Hi, Henrik.
Hi. Yeah, so, first off, the new, well, defense area within Westermo, you shared a few comments on that. I'm just curious, regarding these products and customers, is there anything you can-- would like to tell us about this to give us more color on the, on the activity and the business?
Yeah, we have the same question written here, actually, from another participant. It's still early days, but of course, what we are selling into the defense sector today, which then represents these SEK 30 million that we mentioned before, that is actually existing, you know, normal products, so to say, that are not adopted specifically for the defense industry. But of course, Westermo's products, as they are, with the rugged and high quality products are, of course, per se, suited towards this segment. So, and again, we have a couple of very good customer references that are already using our products for different applications.
So of course, the aim now is to use that as a basis and start developing and meeting new customers in the segment, and then understanding, of course, if there are product variances or product requirements that we need to take into consideration to grow this business going forward. So but really starting from where we are now, so and building on that.
Would you like to say something about the customers here? Are they predominantly European or--
Yes. P redominantly European, customers, and we will also be focusing predominantly on Europe in the first step here.
The application is communication.
Yeah. Okay, great. Thanks. And then I noticed, well, an announcement from Welotec on their homepage, where they explained that there is a shortage in the market regarding memory components and certain chips, I guess, then, which will probably or definitely lead to pricing increases. I guess this was to explain to their customers why they need to raise prices. Could you talk a little bit about this? Is this a big issue right now? Yeah.
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. There is a situation coming up in the memory chip space, driven by the increased demand from the AI boom, so to say, which has caused prices of different types of memory chips to increase significant, 4x or 5x , actually, in the last six to nine months. Of course, there is a question about, you know, capacity and delivery situation going forward, and so on. We are, of course, closely monitoring the situation. We are not the only ones, of course. It's something that will affect all players using memories, different kind of memory chips, and there are only a few global suppliers of these chips.
So, yeah, we are increasing prices to compensate for the price increases, and we are closely monitoring the development and taking different mitigating actions also in this area.
You're not foreseeing any urgent sourcing issues here?
Not in the near term, but of course, we have lived through another electronic component crisis not very long ago, so we have learned a lot from that, and we are trying to mitigate and take mitigating actions, as early as possible. So in the near term, no, but again, we are monitoring the situation very closely.
Yeah. And then, well, back to the 20 new customers that you talked about for Beijer Electronics. Is there, like, one common denominator here, or are there many reasons that's why they turn to you?
I don't think that there is maybe one common denominator, but we mentioned the rugged segment, you know, applications where the products are sitting more or less outside, like, for example, this carbon capturing facility in Denmark, where we have. They are one of the customers that awarded our new product. So, I think that's one thing, but other than that, it's pretty much the same rationale or logic that we have, you know, in general when it comes to the HMIs and why they choose Beijer Electronics, which has to do with, you know, quality and customer support and, you know, being close to the customer and reliability and so on.
Yep. Okay. And well, and then just finally, I think, and you also touched upon the European or the European Commission and the, I guess, new. They talk about, I think it was in November, last November, they issued some report regarding the procurement of rail services and products. And well, one thing that I just noticed was that they are shifting beyond the lowest cost, so to speak, in their procurement. I'm just wondering, is this-- I mean, that sounds very good, but is it really, is it any different compared to what it has been? Or is there anything else in this report that you are excited about?
Yeah, I also read that, and of course, we welcome that statement, so to say, because that is what we have been claiming all along, that you have to look at the life cycle cost of a component or an application or even a train, rather than just looking at the initial purchasing cost. So yeah, I think it's a good thing. I don't think that it will significantly, you know, change the way customers are buying products in the near term, but it's good that they are lifting this aspect of life cycle cost and looking at the lowest lifetime cost of a system, rather than single components.
Yeah. All right then. Thank you very much. That's all for me.
Thank you, Henrik.
As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key five on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Daniel Lindkvist, from Danske Bank. Please go ahead.
Hi. So I guess most of my questions have been answered. Just one quick one. On the contingent claim with the Welotec acquisition, could you just run through, is that in your net debt definition? And is it, it ended up at SEK 150 million instead of SEK 161 million , is that correct?
Now you have to take that once more, Daniel. What is the question?
Yeah. So, just the question is on the continuing claim for the Welotec acquisition.
The continued claim? What, what do you mean with claim?
Yes, the possible earn-out for the--
Aha! Ah, the earn-out.
Yes.
Okay. Yeah, sorry. Yeah.
Yeah, the earn-out. Is that earn-out in your definition of the net debt? That's the first question. And then is it, it ended up at SEK 150 million instead of SEK 161 million that was estimated from the future. Just those two questions.
Yeah, you should read the note in the report carefully, because what it says in that one is that the earn-out nominal value is still EUR 14.8 million. But when you calculated it in the PPA, you need to do a dis--
Discount?
Yeah, you discount the value to now.
Okay.
The value is SEK 150 million . That is explained in the note. Note in the report. So there's no view on the earn-out. That is not the case. But the full earn-out is used as an assumption and also included in the goodwill amount.
Okay, but when you calculate your net debt, it's not included in your net debt now, net?
I need to double-check that, but I, my belief is not that it's included in the net debt.
Okay, okay. Cool. Perfect. And then I have no further questions. It may be on the cost side, I mean, I was quite thumb above on my cost expectations. I guess that could be some from currency, but is it also so that you've kept a tight control on your costs?
In general, we have a tight cost controls in both Beijer Electronics and Westermo. So, there is no increase of spending. That we are not seeing. Then, in terms of sequential development, Q3 normally is always somewhat lower due to its summer time, so activity level goes up somewhat in Q4. But if you compare Q4 this year to last year, we are on the lower side.
Yeah, and I found myself too high on the costs in Q4, so that's a positive I'm extrapolating forward instead, I guess. So it's great. Let's hope for scalability then on cost side and on the strong growth margins and the fair order intake in this quarter. Thank you, guys.
Thank you.
Thank you, thank you, Daniel.
There are no more phone questions at this time, so I hand the conference back to the speakers for any written questions and closing comments.
Yeah, so we have two written questions. I think the first one was related to the defense vertical. I think we have already answered that one. The second one is related to the supply of memory chips that we were just talking about. The question is: for how long have you secured supply of RAM, and do you see customers front-running a shortage or behaving more hesitantly?
Well, we are not publicly disclosing how for how long we have secured the supply, and it depends, of course, on different components and so on. For the time being, we are not seeing any change in customer behavior in terms of ordering more or less, and so on and so forth. So, again, it remains to be seen, but we are following the development, as I mentioned, very closely.
I think it should be said that we -- the position that we have when it comes to the deliveries of these memory RAMs. We evaluated our position, and we decided it's not. There is no reason to actually write explicitly about this issue in the report. So that is evaluation that we have done, and that's the judgment we have taken, that there is no the situation that we are facing right now is not as critical that we believe that it should be mentioned in the report. But now has come to surface in the call here as it's been communicated on the Welotec homepage. But it is something that we are looking at. We are mitigating this.
We are doing lots of activities to secure both the supply and also when it comes to the design in our products, so that we will be less vulnerable.
I think that concludes the written questions as well. So, with that, we will conclude this presentation. Thank you very much for attending, and, have a great day.
Thank you.
Thank you.