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Earnings Call: Q3 2017

Oct 25, 2017

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the presentation of Indutrade AB Q3 report for 2017. Today, I am pleased to present Mr. Bo Annvik, CEO, and Mr. Jan Öhman, CFO. For the first part of this call, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, there will be a question and answer session. I will now be handing over to Bo Annvik. Please begin your meeting.

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

Thank you. Good afternoon to all you who are participating. Overall, I think quarter three was a good quarter for Indutrade and a step in the right direction. If we start with some highlights of the quarter, it's stable market conditions basically all over, and I will elaborate a bit more on that. We also have positive momentum in most operations, with growth in order intake, sales, and earnings. Perhaps the Nordic countries stands out a bit extra, but again, I would say overall, in a geographical perspective, it's a good and stable development. We have issues, and for you who follow us more closely, you recognize this. Belts for power generation is still at a low volume level, and we also have issues in some marine-related companies which impacts our earnings and the EBITA margin.

Also, I'm glad to announce then that we were able to sign an LOI with a company called Inovatools in Germany, our second-largest direct investment in Germany, and I will come back to that also a bit later in the report here. If we turn to some of the financials, you have obviously seen this, but anyway, good order intake at 15%, an equally good sales increase of 14%. We are growing as a company at a high rate. Also correspondingly, a good profitability impact, leading to an EBITA improvement of 19%, up to SEK 450 million. That is resulting in an EBITA margin of 12.4%, up from 11.9% a year ago. Our profit after tax rose 22% to SEK 293 million, and earnings per share increased to SEK 2.43.

Our return on operating capital was 21% at a stable level with a year ago, and we have improved our balance sheet, so our net debt to equity ratio was at 77%. If we look at the market conditions from a broader macro perspective, as I said, I still think it's good in general overall. I think we are aware of, as many of you, that we are at basically a broad top of a business cycle, and I think it will continue still for 2018. After that, there might be some signs of a slowdown perhaps started in the U.S., but that we don't know now. Short-term, things are positive. I'll say Sweden is working well for us, and we still see good momentum in the market.

There is still a robust situation in Finland, our order intake is still improving and at a good and higher level now. Norway is good, I would say, in general. In the oil and gas segment, they start to see some improvements, there is a second phase of this large Johan Sverdrup field coming about, some light at the end of the tunnel there. Denmark is also good. I think they have had six quarters now of GDP improvements, I'll say stable and good. U.K. also good for us at a stable level. There is obviously a risk linked to Brexit. We don't see too much of impact from that in our businesses right now, but we are obviously following that closely and also considering that in terms of future M&A activity. Benelux, and especially Holland, I think is really strong.

I think the GDP growth in Holland was the best in all of the eurozone in quarter two, we also see that in our business in the Benelux. Basically, all companies are improving and doing well. Switzerland, perhaps a bit stable. Lower project activity, I would say, in Switzerland for us. Maybe that market is perhaps the market with a bit lower activity in the Indutrade portfolio of geographies. Germany is still strong. North America, for us, robust growth and also doing well. Asia, for us, it's primarily China, I would say, is also doing good. Overall, short term, a good situation, which we benefit from. As we basically are in business plan mode for 2018 now, we still expect the market to be positive and stable in 2018. When we summarized the quarter, we saw that July was quite weak.

August came in strong, perhaps even stronger than we anticipated. The quarter ended with September, which was slightly below our expectations. It's a bit difficult to read something stringent from that. As I said, we still see optimistically on the remainder of the year and also into 2018. We turn page to our order intake, as I said we improved with 15% in the quarter, year to date we are up 17%. We tend to watch our organic growth prominently, here we see that we are up 7% both in the quarter and year to date. I think a good positive order intake growth.

Basically the same for our sales situation, invoicing situation, also up 14% in the quarter, 15% year to date, and similar numbers in terms of organic growth, plus 7% in the quarter and six for the year to date number there. Positive sales development overall, I will comment a bit more linked to the different business areas in a few slides here. Good order intake and good net sales improvement. With that as a base, I would say that our results are improving well. We had good operational leverage and see clear benefits from the sales increase, it's really coming down to the bottom line in a good way. Organically improving 12% in the quarter, and 8% over the year so far.

When we are increasing sales, we see that we can keep a stable gross margin level, which is also comforting, we don't take large order and reduce our gross margins. We keep that on a good and stable level. If we look at our M&A activity, we have been fairly active, I would say, during the year. We have completed now 10 acquisitions year to date. Different markets, different industries, and a positive portfolio. Now we were able to sign the company Inovatools, and we plan to close that project towards the end of November. There is no problem whatsoever. It's just that the competition authorities need some time in, I would say, Germany and Austria. That was basically part of the plan. Inovatools is really a quality company, and they are providing high-quality metal cutting and drilling tools.

Sales of plus €30 million, main establishment in the southern part of Germany, very nice updated facilities there. Then they have subsidiaries in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Turkey, and the U.S. They also have some local manufacturing in those subsidiaries. These tools, they are of high quality, so there is also a refurbishment business where the customers basically send the tools back to Inovatools and they refurbish them and basically get them into new condition and send them back to the customers. Some of that activity is happening out in those subsidiaries as well. This company has a good prospect for international growth. They are already selling to a broad number of countries. They have some direct sales, but also are selling via distributor. Very positive addition to the Indutrade portfolio.

This is also building a better base for us in Germany as we have high ambition for further growth in Germany. Now we have a handful of good companies in Germany. We bought MaxxVision earlier this year. We have a valves company called GEFA from earlier, and we have some other companies as well. We start to get the portfolio now and getting some brand recognition in Germany. I would say brokers and potential owners of businesses understand that Indutrade can be an alternative to divest to or sell to. I would say also that the pipeline of companies is still good. We have continuously interesting companies to assess, and we are obviously on a continuous basis having a dialogue with different companies. I would say overall, the pipeline is interesting and good. We are also working a bit with our M&A team centrally.

We still have a head of M&A by the name Klas Hjalmarsson. Klas has been involved in plus 100 acquisitions for Indutrade. He has made a tremendously good job for the company, Klas is turning 64 next year, we have had a planned succession discussion with Klas, based on that, we have been able to attract a person by the name Jonas Halldorf, who is currently the Head of M&A within the SKF group. Jonas have had that role for quite some years, so he's very experienced, both in terms of, I would say, industrial companies, but also distribution businesses. Jonas will join Indutrade starting January 8th and work together with Klas with a long overlap, and Klas will remain working within Indutrade for the foreseeable future. We have also been able to attract a new head of communication.

Her name is Frida Adrian, and she will work both with internal and external communication, but also the IR side. She will start November 20th and help us be more efficient and even more professional in the area of communication. A good addition. Frida has experience from public companies before, like Investor and other type of companies. We are also working on a recruitment in terms of a new CFO. I would say that process is working well. It seems like we have attractiveness, and I hope that we will be able to finalize that recruitment within fairly short. If we look at the different business areas, the first one being Engineering and Equipment, which is fairly similar to Finland for us. This business area is doing well.

We all know that Finland has had tougher times and now is improving quarter after quarter, so are we. They came in with an EBITA margin this quarter at 12.8%, they are above the average of the group. Strong performance, good improvement in terms of net sales. We still see a positive business climate and stable demand in most customer segments. Working a lot with OEM machine builders, we work a bit with premium shipbuilding and I would say industry in general in Finland. If we look at Flow Technology, which is a lot in terms of piping, pipe components, valves, actuators, products like that. Flow comes from a more, I would say, demanding profitability situation from 2016 and made an improvement step in quarter 2 this year, that continues also this quarter, coming in with an EBITA margin at 9.8%.

That is driven, I would say, largely by some underlying market improvements, but definitely company performance improvements, which is positive to see. Within the flow technology business area, we have some problem companies, I would say, relating to the marine segment. Just for you to understand that flow in itself is definitely not a problem area. It's actually very interesting, I think, as a technology area. If we exclude these problem companies, I would say that flow technology is close to the average level of the group as a whole. We very much, I would say, believe in the flow technology area, and we are willing to invest more in the flow technology area.

This is actually an area where we have commonalities, and if we aggregate our business here versus suppliers and versus customers, we have a fairly strong position in a European perspective and a strong voice, I would say, in a business discussion perspective. If we look at fluids and mechanical solutions, this is, I would say, primarily a conglomerate of Nordic companies, a mixture of both manufacturing and technical trading companies. Fluids and Mechanical Solutions have been very stable in terms of performance, good performance at a high level, I would say, that continues also this quarter. They are above the average of the group, and I would say, business area is performing absolutely well. Industrial components is also, I would say, a bit of a conglomerate, primarily linked to also the Scandinavian geography, a bit more technical trading companies focused in that business area.

They slipped a bit in terms of profitability towards the end of last year and early this year, are now improving again. They are working very well with performance improvements, price increase improvements, where we can create value together with the customers. That's turning out in a good way now. Good improvements a bit below the average of the group, but these companies, they look at past performances and try to continuously improve from where they were before. Step by step in the right direction. We have a very interesting business area called Measurement and Sensor Technology. I would say extremely well-positioned in general in terms of digitalization and where a lot of the customer base wants to make less intelligent products more intelligent. They use our different types of sensors, integrating them into their products in a value-creating way.

Here we have a high margin level and a high-growth area. Basically a stable development in terms of margin. All companies basically in this business area are doing very well. Here we see that we have very high capacity utilization within our businesses. We also see that in terms of our customers and our suppliers. This, I think, will impact growth a bit going forward, but it shouldn't impact the margin levels. At the bottom of the page, we have Special Products which I manage myself. I think it's also interesting for you to understand that it's quite a large business area, and it's basically built on a number of large market clusters being headed up of very capable persons. We have a cluster in the U.K., in the Benelux, in Switzerland, Austria, and so on.

Starting to build a cluster in Germany slowly. These clusters in themselves are basically managed similarly to the other business areas. Good performance, stable performance. One of the bigger companies in the group is within this business area, in the power generation sector, basically developing, selling valves in this sector. Here we have had some problems versus high, good historic performance. The market is now shifting a bit since some time here. We have for several years benefited from some very large projects in this business. One or two really large projects per year, providing good base load in our operations. Since some time now, we don't see those very large projects, and we don't really have those large projects in our order books. There is still a healthy demand in terms of more normal projects and replacement products and projects.

We are now working with dimensioning our operations and business towards that market demand, and step by step, we won't suffer in a relative perspective from the earlier high numbers here. The company is now doing well. It's not a problem company, but they were really benefiting from large projects earlier. That is not part of the situation right now. If we look at our earnings per share development, it's been good. Plus 22% in the quarter to SEK 2.43. Year to date, plus 24%. Now we are at SEK 7.12. Step by step, improving in the right direction. If we compare our performance with our financial targets, it's also a positive picture. As we have already said, we came in terms of growth at 15%. The target is above 10%.

Our EBITA margin is now at 12% year to date. The target is above 10 there as well. Our return on operating capital, 21%, target 20+, and our net debt to equity, we came in at 77, and we should be below 1 or 100%. Doing well in that perspective as well. Still being fairly new as a CEO, as I've said to you before, we are working with a strategic review. That will be ongoing until the end of the year. Indutrade is a good company, so we are basically having a very good starting point. What you can expect is absolutely more evolution than any type of revolution. We are building on a good base, and for sure, we have the ambition to improve that further. The business model remains firm. We very much believe in the decentralized, entrepreneurial-driven business model.

That is not questioned in this analysis or review. I've also said that we have a low number of companies with profitability issues. I think we have a very good track record of buying good businesses. We have a few with problems, and there we are very active right now, trying to either turn them around or potentially see if there might be other owners who have more synergies and can be a better home for some of these businesses. If and when we have something to inform, we will obviously do that to the market at the appropriate time. We have, obviously, an income statement. We have a balance sheet and some KPIs. I think you are quite up to date in terms of all of that.

I think we actually stop here in terms of the presentation and go to the question and answering session.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask an audio question, please press 01 on your telephone keypad. If you wish to withdraw your question at any time, you may do so by pressing 02 to cancel. That is 01 to register for a question. Our first question comes from the line of Johan Dahl from SEB Equities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, SEB Equities

Yes, hello there. Good afternoon. Just on the topic of operating leverage, Bo, you mentioned you seem to be fairly happy with it. I just done the calculation. It seemed to be around 20% for the quarter. Is that where it should be? Are you seeing any sort of cost creeps in the business?

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

No, I think we are managing cost in a very good way. The whole culture in Indutrade is very cost-conscious, we balance cost when we grow the companies, if I say so. I think it is basically where we should expect it to be.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, SEB Equities

Right. In terms of valuations, what are you seeing out there? Valuations of companies that you acquire. You seem to be doing a lot more outside Nordics at the moment. Just your view on that.

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

Yeah. As we have said, outside Sweden, we still think the multiples are stable at around where we have been, five, six, seven. We still see a pipeline of businesses to be acquired around that level. There are also companies in Sweden at that level, but there is in general a bit more competition in Sweden. My perspective right now is that they are perhaps creeping up a little bit, but nothing dramatic.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, SEB Equities

All right. Just on the topic of capacity constraints, is that very much a BA-specific issue, or do you see a sort of group-wide need to jack up investments?

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

It's primarily, I would say, in the Measurement and Sensor Technology area, not equally much of an issue in the other business areas. We will obviously take positive growth in investment expansions if we feel that they are based on a solid business plan and we understand that there is a real customer need and that they can hold in a potential recession and so on. We, I think, manage that in a responsible way.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, SEB Equities

All right. Just finally, on the matter of a strategic review, I appreciate you're not done with that yet. Could you just elaborate a bit on what areas you're exploring there? As you say, it's a well-functioning system still. You're working on this for half a year. Just to enlighten us on that point. How many or how much turnover do you think is available potentially for sale in the group as you see as underperformers?

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

It's basically to understand our portfolio in a very good way for myself, obviously the management team is to a large extent. We place the businesses in different buckets, you can say. We do that in a lot of different dimensions right now. We can learn from the past and use that learning into the future in a value-creating way. We'll definitely not divest any large number of companies or large values. It's going to be rather minor and linked to extraordinary situations, I would say.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, SEB Equities

All right. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Jon Hiltner from Handelsbanken. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Jon Hiltner
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Thank you. My first question is on your valves business. I sense a bit of a concern. Maybe I heard this wrong, but some concern about the exposure to power in this segment, and maybe this is related to the HP Valves capacity expansion, where you had some good projects before that might not come in. Is this correct, or are you referring to something else?

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

I would say it's correct. It's to the power generation sector, that sector has been changing now with lower oil prices to a large extent. There is consolidation on our customer front. You have GE, Alstom, you have Mitsubishi, Hitachi, you have Siemens buying NEM in Holland. There is some consolidation ongoing there, and there are also some, I would say, Chinese or Asian challenging some of these three established houses, if I say so.

There is a bit of new dynamics linked to the lower oil prices, less investments. That has led to, I think right now, that those very large projects are not in the order book. There is still a sound business and there is a healthy order book in terms of day-to-day and replacement business. This is not a profitability issue in terms of any loss situation or anything like that. It's more that we come from a very healthy situation and are now in a more normal situation, perhaps.

Jon Hiltner
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Mm-hmm. Are you experiencing overcapacity since you expanded in HP Valves, and you maybe are still working off some bigger orders that are not about to be renewed?

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

We have some overcapacity since when you build a new factory, you take some height for a capacity expansion, of course, but that's not a big cost issue for us.

Jon Hiltner
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Okay. Because if you just look at the margins, it doesn't really seem like there is a problem, because they are still at a fairly good level, I must say.

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

Exactly.

Jon Hiltner
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Another question. You mentioned that you're reviewing your portfolio. I'm just curious on some part of the business where there might be some benefits from collaborating more within the portfolio companies, maybe merge some and get some scale benefits on perhaps sourcing, sales, et cetera. How do you view those potentials?

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

I think I can already now say that large synergy projects, more top-down, will still not happen. It has never happened at Indutrade, and I don't foresee that being implemented by myself either. Where we say that you need to buy steel from supplier ABC, or we should join sales forces here and sell a number of products from that sales force. It's more, I would say, potential in terms of knowledge sharing horizontally in the group, which is where we might provide a more efficient platform from the group, but it's more driven from the companies in a market segment perspective or technology perspective, things like that.

Jon Hiltner
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Okay. That's very clear. On the low performers, my sense is that previously Indutrade hasn't really been overly tough on the low performers. They haven't really had a big problem either, because overall, the group has been developing pretty well. Do you see yourself being more active and really trying to get the low performers to improve profitability and growth?

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

Yeah, I don't want to see that in a relative perspective versus before, but I can say that we are very active now. Absolutely. You need to manage those situations, and time cannot just pass, if I say so.

Jon Hiltner
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Mm-hmm. Great. That's very clear. Thank you. That's all from me.

Operator

As a reminder, if you do have a question for the speakers, please press 01 on your telephone keypad now. There will be a brief pause while questions are being registered. We do have a follow-up question from Johan Hiltner from Handelsbanken. Your line is open.

Jon Hiltner
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Thank you. Just another thing. On the recent acquisition in Germany, pretty interesting, I think. It's a bit bigger than the normal Indutrade acquisition, even if Indutrade made bigger ones before. Is this more or less exactly the type of acquisitions you're looking for, where you get a bit of a bigger size, hopefully not really overpaying, because maybe these German companies might be willing to sell to long-term buyers, Indutrade, without really going for the maximum multiple?

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

This is pretty much bullseye, I would say. Yeah. Absolutely.

Jon Hiltner
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Is there just a ton of these companies out there in Germany? You just need to build a reputation and present yourself to these companies to be able to execute those acquisitions?

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

I think there is a fair number of those companies in Germany and in Europe. It's not just to introduce. It's going to be, I don't think, a very easy journey to attract a large number of them initially now, but step by step by step, we will build this. Absolutely.

Jon Hiltner
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Taking the question from a bit of a different angle, just look at what happened in the U.K. when you once started acquiring, it felt like you had a bit of a catch-up effect where all of a sudden you made a lot of acquisitions in the U.K., which would seem to be related to you just being more known in the market. Isn't that possible for the German market as well?

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

I think Germany is more difficult than the U.K. I think they are more geared towards doing business with Germans than, if I generalize extremely much now, than U.K. owners divesting to an outside sort of company like Indutrade. Again, we have priority focus ambition in Germany. I also want to guide you, it's not going to be easy to find 10 of these companies quickly if I say so.

Jon Hiltner
Analyst, Handelsbanken

Okay. Fair enough. Thank you.

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

Yeah.

Operator

There are no further audio questions registered, so I will return the conference back to the speakers.

Bo Annvik
CEO and President, Indutrade

Okay, we say thank you for today, and please feel free to contact us later on here as well so we can answer any potential questions. Thank you for today, and bye-bye.

Operator

This now concludes today's webcast. Thank you all very much for attending. You may now disconnect your lines.