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Earnings Call: Q3 2022

Oct 20, 2022

Nils Olsson
CEO, Lime

Perfect. If you have also. Okay, where I saw that we were muted there a bit. Welcome again and to our Q3 update. As I said, Nils. My name is Nils Olsson, and been at the Lime since 2006 and run as the CEO.

Magnus Hansson
CFO, Lime

My name is Magnus Hansson. I'm the CFO with Lime. I've been with Lime since 2015. This will also be my last quarterly report with Lime, and it's been a great pleasure to working with Lime and with all of you.

Nils Olsson
CEO, Lime

Yes, thanks for that, Magnus. If you have any questions, please place them in the chat. Before we dig into the numbers here, let's start here with a bit of an overview of the Lime's history. I will say that we have always been running Lime with a very long-term perspective, and that has left us with a great footprint, as you can see below here. In more than 20 years, we've been growing on average 90% per year with an EBITDA margin of 25%. Of course, that's something that we are really, really proud about.

Looking into what we actually do, and I would say that no matter how big we've been or how many customers we had, we have all more or less had the same goal, and that is to really help our customers to become really, really strong in sales and customer care so they can help their customers in a good way. We do that by delivering spot on software and on point expertise. We've been doing this for many years now, and we've been scaling our business into six markets. If we look in the past two years, we've been opening up Netherlands in 2020. We've been opening up Germany and welcomed Userlike in 2021. We also now established an office, an engineering hub in Kraków, so in 2022.

In total, we have 10 offices now and are around 400 employees. If we look at the customer base, we help many customers on a daily basis. In total, over 6,500 customers and with over 80,000 users. We have a really big impact on a day-to-day business society. I would say what we deliver with helping customers to become strong in sales and customer care, and that has always been an important topic. As we can see in a world where services and products are becoming more and more alike and also where we have price pressure, great customer service is really one way to stand out. Let's dig into the overview of Q3 and also put some favor on the quarter.

First of all, I'm very glad to see how we present and close the third quarter. In total, we deliver a growth of 21%. We have an EBITDA margin of 26% and an ARR growth of 17%. One part that I'm very happy about is our development in our organic growth. In Q3 last year, we performed an organic growth of 8% and of course a level that we are not satisfied with. We had a plan, and we communicated that everyone should expect a gradual increase, and it feels really good to actually deliver on that. We moved from the third quarter in 2021 to from 8% to 11%, 13.5%, 17% in the last quarter, and now 21% organic growth. Really strong numbers in a challenging market.

As we mentioned before as well, there is a little bit tougher business climate out there, and it primarily reflects in a bit longer sales processes for us. The order intake during the quarter has been okay, and it's been growing. In a present situation like this where there are more tougher market conditions, we're not only competing with other CRM suppliers, but we're also more or less competing with the company's general feeling and willingness to invest. From a sales perspective, this means that we really need to be on our toes, and we need to do all parts of the sales process better than we've done before. It's a lot about mindset in the organization here.

If we look on a overview, we could say that the change has mainly affected our German market, where we can see that it's been a bigger effect compared to other markets so far. During the quarter, I think I'm really happy to say that it feels that we can deliver strong solution that really helps our customers. It's both through revenue-driving changes and/or efficiency-boosting digitalization. A good example of that is the energy segment, where we make it possible for companies to provide really fast services to their customers in an environment where we can see the number of support cases is rising.

In this way, we're not only making our customers more successful, we're also simplifying the life as for the end customer. That is exactly in line with our ambition. A big focus now going forward is to scale our existing markets. We have done 60 recruits so far, and it's more or less divided in all the markets. We will continue to recruit on all markets, and we will continue to focus on scaling up our verticals and invest in both sales and marketing-driven activities. From an acquisition perspective, we have acquisitions in our growth strategy, and we are continuing to evaluate potential acquisitions.

As the market situation is currently unfolding, we believe that the acquisition market will become even more favorable going forward. We have a really strong position today as a company, good profitability, strong cash flows, and low leverage, and this leaves us with good opportunities ahead. At the same time, and this is important for us, we will not compromise with the valuation of future acquisition candidates. We have had a number of conversations and candidates in the pipeline during the quarter, but it hasn't resulted in any closer collaboration so far. What about the future? I will say that as an organization, we are well prepared. We have more or less our house in order. We have a very dedicated team, highly engaged employees in place.

We have a good cost control, and a high proportion of recurring revenue. We have low customer concentration, and it's going down, and we are operating in many different verticals. I would say we have a great position, today, and we also have great opportunities to continue to increase our sales through upselling. Our mindset going forward is to continue to focus on long-term profitable growth and deliver in the same more or less what we have done the past 20 years. Jumping to the agenda here, we will continue this call with the order intake, looking to the revenue. Magnus will talk about the profit, and then we do a sum up with our financial targets. Let's start here with the order intake.

As we have communicated before, and as I mentioned earlier, our customer concentration is low, and it continues to decrease. Today, our top ten customers stand for 5.9%, and our biggest customer stands for 0.8% of the revenue. Going into a tougher market conditions, I think this is a very strong position to have. We are not depending on one customer. We are continuing doing deals with many customers in this quarter, more or less the same pattern as previous quarters, both closing many new deals with new customers, but also doing upsell on existing customer base.

As I said, we can see a little bit longer sales processes in Q3, which I would say is a direct effect on the turbulence in the market. Still, the order intake is growing and we close many deals in our focus segment, which I'm happy about to see that the verticalization is going in the right direction with Luleå Energi and Landskrona Energi in the utility segment. We also see that we can extend our relationships with the real estate company, Entré & Rum, which been a customer for many, many years already since 2012. Moving into the revenue side, we can see the ARR development. Of course, for us as a software company, ARR is an important KPI.

We deliver an ARR growth of 17% in the quarter. We can see a little bit decline there in the subscription revenue. As I said, we have a focus on transforming and moving customers from old service agreements into subscription revenues. We have a strong subscription growth in Q3 with 22%. Looking at our different revenue streams, we have had a nice development since 2015, when we started to transform the price model from upfront to subscription. You can see that subscription is growing really fast there, 34% the last 12 months. Today, it stands for 54% of the revenue.

Service agreements on a quite flat level, which stands for 8%, and we more or less don't sell any upfront license anymore. You can also see that we have good pace in our expert services. The expectations going forward is that it will decrease as a part of the total sales going forward. Looking into the revenue side, we've reached 21%, as I said, in Q3. The last 12 months, we have a growth of 22%. If we look at the split between the segments, Sweden grows by 16%, so a big improvement compared to last quarter. The rest of Europe is still growing fast with 31% in Q3.

I touched upon that in the start here, and which I said that we are gradually improving our organic growth, and we delivered 21% here in Q3 compared to 8% last Q3 in 2021, which is a strong number. Look on the right-hand side. We have last 12 months, Sweden 11% and the rest of Europe 58%. That is exactly more or less in line with our ambition here to build an even stronger and more international company going forward. Magnus, let's look into the profit side.

Magnus Hansson
CFO, Lime

Yes. EBITA in the third quarter reached 26% compared to 27% last year. As we've mentioned many times before, we are once again able to carry out physical sales activities, travel to new and existing customers, invest in employee activities, and so on. That's quite pleasing to us. It is also notable that in August this year, more than 60 new employees started at Lime. On the right-hand side, you can see the last 12-month EBITA development. As you can see, we reached an EBITA margin of around 29% during the pandemic. In last 12 months, in Q3 2022, we reached 26%. As we are now able to invest more in future growth again.

Since we have good growth in the underlying subscription revenues, we have a positive pressure on the EBITA margin. As we've also said many times before, we will continue to prioritize growth before profit. On the left-hand side, we have our personnel expenses. This is, of course, the largest expense item in our P&L. As I just mentioned, we had the largest onboarding program ever in August, with more than 60 new employees starting. Our personnel expenses grew by 28% in the quarter compared to last year. Over the last 12 months, our personnel expenses is quite stable in relation to net sales of around 55% of net sales. On the right-hand side, you have other operating expenses.

As you can see, the other operating expenses grew by 23% in the quarter and by 44% the last 12 months. The last 12 months increase is to a quite large extent explained by the acquisition of Userlike, but it is also explained by more investments in marketing, in product development, and as I mentioned before, in travel to new and existing customers, in sales activities, and so on.

Nils Olsson
CEO, Lime

Yes. Thanks for that, Magnus. Let's look into our financial targets. As you can see, we reached a growth of 22% over the last 12 months and compared to the growth target of 18%. If we look into the EBITDA margin, we have 26% over the last 12 months, with the goal of being above 25%. The net debt in relation to EBITDA is at 1.3 today. I would say that really shows that we have strong cash flows, which reduces the net debt in a quite rapid pace. We have also paid dividend corresponding to 59% of the net profit in 2021. Let's jump over and see if there are any questions for today.

Magnus Hansson
CFO, Lime

Yes, we have a few questions. In the CEO letter, you said you want to reach 100 new recruits for 2022. Is it fair to assume you will have a similar ambition for next year? What would make you more restrictive in terms of growth investments?

Nils Olsson
CEO, Lime

Yes, I think that we will continue to recruit going forward as well. As long as we can see that we have strong pace in the order intake, which I think that we have had, we will continue to recruit and more or less have the same ambitions as before. We also are in a position today where we can use this kind of market situation and build an even stronger company going forward. It's important for us to continue to invest both in sales and in marketing and on the employee side to be able to build the company that we wanna have going forward as well.

Magnus Hansson
CFO, Lime

Will you be able to maintain your margin target next year if you keep a high recruitment pace, assuming longer sales processes remain?

Nils Olsson
CEO, Lime

Yeah, that's. We have been through a couple of crises before. What we've seen is that we can handle both delivering long-term profitable growth, which means that we can continue to deliver on the growth side and of course, then on the margin side. We have a 25% EBITDA goal. That's something that we wanna reach more or less.

Magnus Hansson
CFO, Lime

What's the progress on the new pricing strategy, KPI-based adjustments? Any impact on Q3 numbers?

Nils Olsson
CEO, Lime

No. We've been starting to adjusting it. As I mentioned during some of the calls here, you will not see a specific bump in any quarter. It will be a process for the next couple of quarters. It doesn't show more or less in Q3.

Magnus Hansson
CFO, Lime

Can you give us the composition of organic growth divided by new customers, upsales, price, extraordinary price hikes due to inflation, et cetera?

Nils Olsson
CEO, Lime

We don't split it on and talk about it in that way. We can see that we've been talking about the new sales situation, and that it's been going down since COVID started. I would say that we have picked up a bit of the pace here, and we can see some progress in on the new sales side, which I'm very, very happy about. On the same side, we have a strong portfolio today due to our previous acquisitions, but also our own development. The upselling continues to be on a good level. I can see some parts in the new sales that it's moving in the right direction here, the last quarter.

Magnus Hansson
CFO, Lime

We did a price increase on Lime Go in Q1. That's a quite small part of the total Lime portfolio, but still, we have not seen any price increases on the software in in Q3 with regards to Lime CRM. How long will it take for the 60 new employees to be contributing to the sales growth?

Nils Olsson
CEO, Lime

I mean, it's contributing already, I would say, but on a very small scale. You have the onboarding program that more or less the whole first months, and then it should gradually increase on the second month and going forward. It will take a couple of months before you are more or less up and running, before you are up to the speed that we want it to be, more or less.

Magnus Hansson
CFO, Lime

What has been the bigger driver for growth this year, new customer or existing customers buying more?

Nils Olsson
CEO, Lime

For us, it has been, as I said, we've seen a gradual improvement on the new sales side. We have been fighting hard to get back on the levels that we want to be, and I'm happy to see that we have progress on the new sales side. I also think that our countries outside of Sweden are delivering better this year. Of course, it's also on the new sales side. We want to keep the momentum as we've had on the upselling side on existing customers, 'cause that was an improvement during COVID and something that we want to continue to develop going forward.

Of course then with a combination of better new sales, which I think that we see now, in Q3.

Magnus Hansson
CFO, Lime

That was all.

Nils Olsson
CEO, Lime

Great. Really good questions, and thanks for listening in. Have a really, really nice day. Okay.

Magnus Hansson
CFO, Lime

Bye.

Nils Olsson
CEO, Lime

Bye.

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