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Earnings Call: Q1 2026

Apr 17, 2026

Operator

Welcome to the Nederman Holding Q1 2026 report presentation. For the first part of the presentation, participants will be in listen-only mode. During the questions- and- answers session, participants are able to ask questions by dialing pound key five on their telephone keypad. Now, I will hand the conference over to speakers, CEO Sven Kristensson and CFO Matthew Cusick. Please go ahead.

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to this presentation of Q1 for Nederman. Our headline has been "Resilience in a Volatile Market" because it's been an eventful quarter again. What we can see is that we are still strengthening our position in the world, although it remains very turbulent. The first quarter, we continued to advance our position in a very volatile market. There is high activity across all divisions, they're all having good pipelines, less good order intake. Because we had lower orders received, although the activity picked up at the latter part of Q1 and continued here in April. We'll see what that means. We are strengthening our presence in a structurally growing industry, and by that we mean that we are entering new fields like food, pharma, and life science related, et cetera, and resulting in a lower sales and EBIT or profit margin.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

If I move on to some of the key financials, then if we go on to orders received, as Sven mentioned, for the quarter as a whole, orders received were weaker than a very strong Q1 last year, it must be mentioned. Three or four division in Q1 last year. I'll leave it at two of four divisions in Q1 last year had their record quarters for order intake. I don't want to get into debate on currency rates. Like Sven mentioned, order activity clearly picked up, particularly during the second half of March. Negative currency impact, that's something that any analysts listening will have heard and will be hearing from lots of companies. It's around 9% quarter-on-quarter for us in Q1 this year. Orders ultimately were SEK 1.267 billion versus just over SEK 1.5 billion Q1 last year.

That's 6.7% down currency neutral, 9.2% organic. The charts that we see on this slide for orders received, you can see that basically half of the drop in order intake is currency-related. On the next slide, sales lower than Q1 2025. I've put a comment in there, in line with Q3 2025's order intake, which gives a little indication on the sort of lead times. It's not the same lead times across all four divisions, but SEK 1.257 billion was approximately in line with Q3. Again, currency impact -9% also on sales. Currency neutral sales were down 2%, so less of a drop than on the order intake, and it's purely looking comparative-wise, organically -5.5%. Profitability. These lower sales volumes are apparent. We did have very strong gross profit margins. Something that's quite pleasing is the increased productivity in our factories.

We had rather good utilization in the factories in the E&FT division during Q1, which Sven can come back to. Unfortunately, currencies also affect profitability. Approximately SEK 12 million of the drop in EBITDA is pure currency effects, largely due to the US dollar, which was down quarter-over-quarter nearly 15% compared to Q1 last year. Ultimately, what that meant was that the EBITDA for Q1 was SEK 117 million versus SEK 143 million last year. The EBITDA margin 9.3% versus 10.1%. Earnings per share SEK 1.31 versus SEK 1.69 in Q1 last year. Cash flow from operations very slightly negative. It was a typical quarter one, I would say in the Nederman world. Typically, what we see in quarter one is that we've received some orders just before the year-end, and we've received down payments on those orders, and we start executing on those.

The working capital development is usually less favorable in the first quarter. We are still lacking some larger orders, for which we receive down payments. Once those start coming in, that will boost the cash flow from operations rather well. On the net debt front, very little movement, we could say since the year-end. Division by division, Sven, we start with E&FT.

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

Yeah. Extraction and Filtration Technology here. During the quarter, we had a bit low orders received, and that was mainly due to very few larger orders in the Americas, where we could see a new hesitation to sign. However, the base business, as we call it, the traditional, the small project, the ones that do not have to go to the boardroom actually grew in the division. There was a significant order intake growth for service as well, since we have, over the last few years, put much effort in growing in, especially European and the North American organization to have a strong service, which also prolongs the relationship with our customers. Profit margins increased versus Q1, and that is due to operational efficiency. We have been talking about the investments we've been doing, not only in Helsingborg.

We have a new factory set up for RoboVent brand in Detroit area.

We are continuously upgrading now, and we come back to that in Charlotte factory as well. We had a decent capacity utilization in the factories, although there is plenty of room to grow that. Increased operational efficiency maintain our margins. If we go to European market, we had an increase in orders received, and again, that was strong base business, small, mid-size solution orders. Then there were three major orders, and that was to commercial aircraft manufacturing, defense, actually naval area, and wood products. That's what we see. If we look at the Americas, as you have noted, the orders received were significantly behind Q1, which in all fairness was a record year or a record quarter. We've seen the hesitancy in U.S. market to put the pen to the paper. One major order was, however, secured, and that was wind turbine manufacturing.

Base business grew, and again, several small mid-size orders. Again, service where we have focused over the last few years, as mentioned before, also in the U.S. market grew. Currency neutral sales growth with strong service business. In Asia, lower orders received and sales. Base business also weaker, and it's a challenging market environment. Some cost cautiousness has been taken in some of the Asian part of it. Key activities, we continue to launch new products. As you probably have seen, last year we spent almost 3% on R&D, and we see how that pays off. GoMax, I will not go into the details, but we were again awarded a technological award. The reason or how they formulate it was smart technology with energy efficiency and sustainable design. Continued investment in operations in North America.

We have started the further insourcing project in Charlotte for this division, and that will further lead to efficiencies in our supply chain and in a further step also more or even less, even if it's very little that comes from outside U.S., 88.5% is local content in this division in U.S. We have launched new versions of the partner web shop, so we continue also our digital journey when it comes to being up to date.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

When it comes to financials for E&FT division, orders received SEK 578 million in the quarter is 8.6% down currency neutral, albeit from, like Sven mentioned, a record quarter at that time. Q2 actually exceeded that, but this was a record at the time. Sales SEK 592 million and an adjusted EBITDA very nearly in line with the same period last year, despite lower sales. This is a little bit what we're talking about in terms of resilience. We've managed to keep the margin up, actually increased the margin in this division to 12.2% from 11.6% in Q1 2025. Moving on then to Process Technology, Sven.

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

Yes, Process Technology. Here we have significantly larger orders and projects, and glad to say that we actually had order intake growth in the quarter. There were a few or several major orders secured and again, a very strong aftermarket development with strong growth and again, we see the result of a few years of focused activities. Again, we got order backlogs that are increasing. If you remember our acquisition of Euro-Equip, they are giving a positive contribution, both orders, sales, and profitability. We are very pleased with that addition. The three parts, we start with Textile and Fiber. Here we see the continuous overcapacity, but also a slight pickup. Maybe the Textile segment has bottomed out, but I will not promise that, but we'll see. It's been a couple of years with very low demand. Again, we have the energy-saving fans for textile plants.

Orders have reached record levels. We passed 1,000 units here during the quarter. Again, we show the capability of technical leadership and new development and helping our customers to save energy in a world where energy prices are soaring. Foundry and smelters, we actually also here had organic growth in order intake. There was a very large order for copper recycling in the U.S. We have, over a few years, specialized in our technology to be and are the technology commercial leading partner when it comes to recycling of metals and materials. Again, positive impact from Euro-Equip. A continued strong activity within the recycling. However, there is sign that they are a bit slow to take the decisions, but for a mid- to long-term, recycling of metal will continue.

The need of copper, the need of aluminum, we cannot have it on a landfill, which is the case in the U.S. and in Asia. In Europe, we're quite good, especially on aluminum, where we have 80%-90% recycled material. Customized Solutions. Stable development. New order in U.S. pharmaceutical industry. We are sort of moving in, as mentioned, to a little bit new territory. We have been doing it before, but we are more focused now on finding pockets of growth in this environment. We secured two projects in India, and that is a geographical expansion. We are using our strong footprint in India for the textile and fiber. From that bridgehead, we are now increasing our capabilities and also taking in other areas from the division. Service business continued to grow. Again, key activities. Sales of energy-efficient carbon-bladed fans for textile plants exceeded 1,000 units.

Good milestone. We continue to invest in test center upgrades and ongoing improvement to existing product lines. Again, we show with our innovation capabilities how you can save energy and make your choice. Again, we are far ahead of competition when it comes to technology and integration of the digital solutions.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

Financials for Process Technology. Order intake was SEK 346 million in the year, which was even at prevailing rates and a growth currency neutral, nearly 14% up. Our Euro-Equip part of this currency neutral growth, but even organically, like Sven mentioned, we've gone up there 2.9%. Sales very slightly down to SEK 321 million, but adjusted EBITDA is increasing SEK 29 million, is 9.1%. You see there the boost from the growing service business, for example, which has stronger margins. 9.1% on rather modest sales figures is what we see from Process Technology in Q1. Duct and Filter Technology, Sven.

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

Yes. Duct and Filter, here we've seen, and it's very much based on the U.S. side, where the majority of the sales come from. Development in the quarter, we had a bit of a decrease versus the record Q1. The year started very slowly, but it picked up later in the quarter. Again, of course, based on this, there's very limited backlog. The sales decrease versus Q1 2025. We do deliver solid profitability with very good factory efficiency. As you remember, we have now invested in and fulfilled two parts of the manufacturing in Thomasville. We have automated, we have invested in new technology in both standard sizes and also now inaugurated the XD, which is larger dimensions. We see how that, despite the fact that the volumes are a little bit slow, can maintain good gross margins.

Again, of course, massive negative currency effect since most of the business is in U.S. dollars. Nordfab, which is the ducting, we saw increased activity in March, and that was actually giving us organic growth for the quarter as a whole. Project wind battery manufacturing made a significant contribution to the order intake. That was very much so that EV battery factories are now converted into battery factories for storage, et cetera. We say maybe some of that business is rebounding and coming back. EMEA orders received and sales increased slightly compared to last year's Q1. Menardi, which is filter bags, had a very slow order intake, but saw slight recovery in March. EMEA performed well, but it's a much smaller portion of that subdivision. Launch of BIM objects, U.S. and Europe. Launch of HygiDuct Australia, Thailand.

Solar panel installation in Thomasville is providing significant reduced environmental impact and also cost impact. The sun is shining in North Carolina significantly more than here in Helsingborg. Continued investments in tools and equipment to enhance product quality and streamline manufacturing. As you see, we are seeing positive effect of the automation and the significant investments we have made in manufacturing and logistics. It's not only the manufacturing, it's also the setup with Nordfab now, which is giving us capability of balance and have more efficient manufacturing. We have started the project where we have possibility to have shorter lead time. We have started opening in Texas, Dallas warehouse. We are only shipping the emergency part directly. The rest we take from a warehouse. Again, we have been able to have 100% delivery accuracy despite the hike in orders in late March.

Very positive for the market and we are getting new distributors who want to work with us.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

Financials for Duct & Filter Technology. External order intake was SEK 180 million in the quarter, down from the record Q1 last year, SEK 224 million. That's 7.4% down currency neutral. Obviously, as Sven mentioned, the currency impact on this division is very high. Sales, SEK 194 million, down from SEK 241 million. Adjusted EBITDA SEK 37 million is 18.9%, and we think again this is showing resilience. Last year Q1 was 22.1%, which is their highest quarter for this division in all of history, but 18.9% still rather pleasing on somewhat more modest volume levels. If we then move on to final division, Sven, Monitoring & Control Technology.

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

Yes, Monitoring & Control here for the quarter, we had a real decrease in orders. Revenue was also decreasing, but there were very big variations between the different business units. Of course, the low sales volume, the profitability was reduced. If we look at NEO Monitors, the total order intake was slightly reduced there, and that was due to Asia. That halted a bit in the quarter. We have seen growth in the U.S., and we have over years seen significant growth for NEO Monitors in the U.S. market, where we were a very small player a few years ago. By the investment in the U.S. and our sales office and service organization, which is now consisting of up to, if I remember correctly, 12 persons, have given us direct access to the petrochemical industry in the area.

We also see that it leads to major orders, and we are deepening our cooperation with the large ones since we now are located with a strong service team in the neighborhood. The European orders and sales grew organically, and they had a stable demand. We have significantly increased the production efficiency. All of the real manufacturing is going on in Oslo, and we have restructured from a small, almost call it startup manufacturing site to an electronic assembly site that is much more efficient, much more quality, and that work is continuing. Gasmet, the order intake reduced, and it was partly on a non-repeat major order, but it's also punishing the large dependence on public sectors like customs, police, universities, that is a base business, and that has impacted, especially in U.S. and Asia, where there has been reduced spending in these sectors.

We have also received new orders from new customers in Singapore and South Africa. Auburn, based outside Boston in Beverly, saw organic order intake growth. We could definitely see that the order intake picked up in March. What that means going forward, we don't know. We had sales slightly behind this very strong Q1 last year, but the orders are coming back. We have reviewed and updated the product portfolio, and that continue, and we are hereby getting the permits, et cetera, and strengthening our platform for expansion in India, China. We are also having other activities to go outside the U.S. market that is dominant for Auburn's product. We have added a product like PM1 Laser to upgrade, and that has given a new boost in interest on the U.S. market where we have a very strong position.

We want to also grow that in Asia and in Europe. Our activities in Asia were halted, but we are restarting them. They were halted due to the difficulty to sell from U.S. to China with 100% customs tariffs, which was the case in a period. We are now restarting those activities. Again, key activities, launch of PM Laser, new technology for new application, particle monitoring. We have established sales offices in Korea and Singapore. We have continuous improvement to existing product. We are also increasing the integration between Insight and Olicem and also here an increased awareness with customers, and we are linking these products together. Ongoing new product certifications, and that's partly what's needed to bring in larger volumes of our Auburn products to Europe.

We're also doing preparation for capacity and efficiency investment in Gasmet facility in Finland, and that is linked to and is similar to what we've been doing in Auburn and in NEO.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

Financials for Monitoring & Control Technology orders received were SEK 163 million in the quarter, down from the record SEK 249 million in Q1 last year. Remembering Q1 last year, we had two orders in this division that alone combined almost reached SEK 50 million, but nevertheless, 28.5% down currency neutral. Sales SEK 168 million versus SEK 198 million. That's down 8.2%. We see the impact on the margin of the volume drop on this division. Adjusted EBITDA SEK 20 million is 12.1% versus 18% last year. If we move on then, Sven, to the outlook.

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

Yes. Demand remains subdued in many sectors, but the growing service segment and the very strong digital offering mean that we are performing very well in the current uncertain market. Following a very weak start, activity picked up towards the end of the first quarter, which, if continuous, will bode well for performance in the quarters ahead of the year. The pipelines are strong, but the order intake is low. At the same time, there is considerable uncertainty in the market. Very difficult to forecast broader recovery in demand. However, when that gains momentum, we are extremely well-placed to improve our profitability. With a strong balance sheet, we continue to invest in operational efficiency and in continuously improving our offering. That means that we will be able to continue to strengthen our position regardless of the market situation.

In a world where awareness of damage that poor air quality does to people is growing, Nederman, with its leading offering industrial air filtration, has an important role to play and a good opportunity to continue to grow.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

Briefly on the financial calendar then, we've got our Annual General Meeting next Tuesday at 4:00 P.M. The interim report for Q2 is released on the 16th of July, and the Q3 is released on the 21st of October. The year-end report will be released on the 12th of February next year. With that, I think we can open up for any questions that people listening may have for us.

Operator

If you wish to ask a question please dial pound key five on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question please dial pound key six on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from August Flinning from Handelsbanken. Please go ahead.

August Flinning
Equity Research Analyst, Handelsbanken

Good morning, everyone. Two questions from my side, please. To start off with, you mentioned that activity picked up towards the end of Q1. Could you give some more color on what drove that improvement the final weeks of March and whether it was broad-based or more concentrated in terms of both divisions and regions?

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

I can say across the divisions, it was rather widespread. Process Technology is more volatile, as you know, August, so their large orders come in when the Board decision happens, the large projects come in. We did see in Monitoring & Control Technology in E&FT and Duct and Filter, we definitely saw a pickup in it, so it was rather broad range. Regional wise, not so much of a. There's no region that sticks out one way or the other in that.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

APAC [is slower].

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

APAC is still slower, and we think that is likely to do with what's going on. It can have something to do with what's going on in the Middle East right now.

August Flinning
Equity Research Analyst, Handelsbanken

Thank you very much. That's very clear. On tariffs then, I know you have guided to approximately SEK 5 million in quarterly tariffs cost going forward. Could you perhaps elaborate a little bit more on what kind of products or shipments that primarily relates to now, given the fact we have an updated here, Section 232 on steel-based products?

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

Yeah. That may benefit us. We're not doing this. That first of all, that will likely benefit us somewhat, assuming we don't change anything in our production flows. On the other hand, we're also investing in the production in the U.S. in Charlotte, which will mean that slightly less is spent transatlantic, but this is still rather small impact for us. We're not changing anything strategically based on the tariff.

August Flinning
Equity Research Analyst, Handelsbanken

Yeah.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

We will not do so in foreseeable future either.

August Flinning
Equity Research Analyst, Handelsbanken

All right. Thank you very much.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

Thank you, August.

Operator

The next question comes from Anna Widström from DNB Carnegie. Please go ahead.

Anna Widström
Equity Research Analyst, DNB Carnegie

Hi, good morning. Thank you for taking my questions as well. Firstly, I just want to ask, because I know that the number of employees is down. Could you maybe elaborate a bit on this? Is it relating to cost savings or an effect from something else?

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

Number of employees is largely related to production sites. We have made some cost savings in APAC, but that's relatively small relative to the number of reduction. We do have some temporary employees that fluctuate over time and at the moment, obviously, with less volume, we are able to adjust the production capacity accordingly. It's not a major restructuring that you're seeing there or a major focused reduction.

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

You also have the fact that with the automation in the different factories you have here and there, you have two less needed because you have it automated with AGVs, and you have two less there and so on. That's an ongoing process. We have not seen the need for a larger restructuring.

Anna Widström
Equity Research Analyst, DNB Carnegie

Okay, perfect. Thank you. My second question is on how, if you maybe could give some details on how we should view the Duct and Filtration Technology margin, just given that we probably have a lot of FX effects. Maybe some sort of guidance on how that specific margin would look if we didn't have the weaker dollar.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

Yeah. The margin in itself in percentage terms isn't massively affected for that division because the vast majority of it.

Anna Widström
Equity Research Analyst, DNB Carnegie

Okay. Yeah.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

are there. There's not an awful lot that's going transatlantically. The Swedish krona when we translate is the main issue with that division. Margin-wise on that division, like I mentioned, we're rather pleased with the 18.9% they do. That does show that, for example, where we've introduced these AGVs into the factories and a little more automation, we have seen a reduction in the direct labor percentages for that division, which is making, even on modest volumes, we've got rather good margins. Some volume increase ought to give even more leverage in that division.

Anna Widström
Equity Research Analyst, DNB Carnegie

Okay, perfect. Also a specific question for Gasmet. Just thinking now when public spending seems to go down quite a lot, are there any specific customer segments that you sort of try to increase your sales efforts towards?

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

Yeah. They have a handful there. It's mainly to start more, have a broader geographical base for the existing because that is something ongoing. They have a growing cooperation with Olicem and hereby also increase their aftermarket capabilities in that area. It's energy and it's APAC, that we need to further grow. It's also a problem. We don't know what will happen in the U.S. spending because that is a significant part of it that has been universities, other schools, it's been customs, authorities, police and so on. Their spending has gone down dramatically over the last six months, I would say. I think I can't give you a promise that it will be a boom within the couple of weeks. We are working very strongly to find, as we have been doing in other areas.

If you look at the E&FT, for instance, when we acquired RoboVent, 85% of their sales were auto-related, and the downturn in that market would have given us a significant downturn of their sales. By using the knowledge in using these applications in food-related, other areas, we have now been able to maintain the volumes there. Although, both you and I would have liked it to be icing on the cake that we grew and still had a significant auto part. Now we see that maybe the auto industry is starting to reinvest again. We see that there's a lot of service orders coming in, and that's the first sign that they are reopening their lines.

Anna Widström
Equity Research Analyst, DNB Carnegie

Okay, perfect. Just two more from my side. Firstly, looking at the product mix that you have in the order intake, is there something that we should be aware of in terms of margin impact for the quarter, Sven?

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

Not really. You could say if I take Process Technology, they're still doing very well on service, so that we expect their rather good margins will continue to be solid. E&FT, a little bit growing in the service business as well, so that also helps. Monitoring & Control Technology, one of the issues we have there and why we were a bit lower is some of this public spending is on these portable units, which do have extremely good margins. So that is less solid. But I would say Process Technology and E&FT have got healthier margin backlogs than they had 12 months ago, albeit lower in absolute numbers.

Anna Widström
Equity Research Analyst, DNB Carnegie

Okay, perfect.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

Go ahead.

Anna Widström
Equity Research Analyst, DNB Carnegie

Sorry, go ahead.

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

Duct and Filter has also very, since we, as mentioned, we had very low portion of personnel cost. It's extremely low, and that is several percentage points down since we made the investments over the last two years. That means that an increase in volume or a recovery in volumes will have also, in that division, very strong impact.

Yeah. Even a modest increase across the group in volumes should increase the margin quite significantly, we think.

Anna Widström
Equity Research Analyst, DNB Carnegie

Perfect. Just the final one is if you could tell us a bit on if you've noted any impact yet from the Middle Eastern conflict in either cost, but also perhaps activity from the oil and gas customer. You mentioned one order, but that doesn't need to be related to this.

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

The impact is very hard because the biggest impact is the hesitation, and what we've seen, the hesitation to sign larger contracts, and it's the same as when we had what they call Liberation Day. It's not the tariffs as such, it's more the insecurity among our customers. That means that they are sort of holding back on doing the large investments. Parts of the problems in the overcapacity in textile and fiber is related to the uncertainty also. How can you ship things over the ocean, and what is happening and where should you invest? Should you invest in Carolinas, Guatemala, or should you continue to in India and so on. It's more the uncertainty that has an impact. There is, of course, potentially an issue as we had during COVID period on shipment capacity and so on.

If we get the vessels stuck around in Hormuz Sound, Hormuz Strait, or in Suez or wherever. I wouldn't say-

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

If I try and pull out one positive out of the Iran conflict, it might be, and like you said, we haven't seen this at all yet, and you may be hinting at this, Anna. If this drives investments in oil and gas-

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

petrochemical

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

petrochemicals or anything around the world, new investments, if countries decide themselves they need to invest themselves more, that could mean a macro boost for those sort of industries, which would be good, for example, for

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

NEO and

Matthew Cusick
CFO, Nederman

NEO Monitors Gasmet in particular. We've not seen it yet, but that would be, if I'm going to pull one positive out of it, there are, at the moment, this hesitation is the key issue for us, though. As you say, Sven, it's the investment hesitation.

Anna Widström
Equity Research Analyst, DNB Carnegie

Okay. You have yet to see sort of actual cost increases for you that you need to sort of offset toward customers that hasn't-

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

There have been some. There is some, of course, that will come on plastics and so on, and polymer steel has gone up a little bit due to the energy cost and so on, and they are seeing some increase. That is so straightforward so that you can handle and you can make. If you go on a plane, you will see on your ticket that we have added a surplus for energy cost and so on. That's not a big issue to handle. It's more the uncertainty and the lack of volumes that is problematic.

Anna Widström
Equity Research Analyst, DNB Carnegie

Okay, perfect. Thank you so much.

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

Thank you, Anna.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key five on your telephone keypad. There are no more questions at this time. I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments.

Sven Kristensson
CEO, Nederman

Thank you for taking the time to listen to us. We will have the annual AGM meeting on Tuesday, and we will have short comments from that as well next week. After that, we will be back for the second quarter in July.

Thank you for taking the time.

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