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Earnings Call: Q2 2020

Jul 16, 2020

Katarina Grönwall
Head of Investor Relations, Sweco Group

Report for the Second Quarter for the Sweco Group. Today we have Åsa Bergman, our President and CEO, and Olof Stålnacke, our CFO, who will present our report. Please go ahead, Åsa.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Thank you, Katarina. Welcome, everyone, to Sweco's Q2 presentation. I would like to start out by giving you a quick recap of our company. Sweco is Europe's leading engineering and architectural consultancy. We focus on eight core markets in Europe and with projects in more than 70 countries worldwide. Despite COVID-19, we have been able to increase the number of employees from 17,000 to 17,500. Looking at financials, our net sales on rolling 12 exceeds SEK 21.5 billion, with an EBITDA margin of 9.5%.

Let us now move into the result of the second quarter. As we summarize the first half of this year, I can conclude that we delivered two solid quarters despite the uncertain times caused by COVID-19. Our net sales increased by 5%, and EBITDA increased 12% adjusted for calendar. For the quarter, we reported a solid EBITDA margin of 9%, compared with 8.1% last year.

We continue to deliver stable growth in the second quarter, with a positive organic growth of 1% and acquired growth adding another 5%. Given the circumstances, we are satisfied with this growth. We have a strong financial position with low net debt and good liquidity. On top of that, we had a good cash flow in the quarter, which Olof will guide you through later in this presentation. We also made another acquisition during the second quarter, the Belgian company SGI Ingénierie , and I will get back to this in more detail in the presentation.

In Q2, we continue to win exciting projects. One of them is our project in the municipality of Amsterdam that you see in the picture. Together with four other parties, we have signed an innovation partnership for the renovation of the quay walls in the historic city center.

Although we had a stable start of the year, the market conditions are uncertain due to COVID-19. Before we dive deeper into Q2, let us have a look at the market situation and what we have done to mitigate the effects of COVID-19. Looking at the market situation, the overall demand for Sweco services remains stable. Our order backlog was on a somewhat lower level in the second quarter. Most of our projects have remained relatively unaffected. The somewhat lower demand within industry and private buildings and real estate segments that we experienced at the end of the first quarter has continued throughout the second quarter. In March and April, we had some projects that were temporarily stopped or canceled, but many of them have started again. What we see now is rather high activity in several segments.

But we also see signs of increased competition in some segments. It is too early to say what will be the outcome of that, but it could possibly have some short-term effects on the positive fee development that we have experienced in the recent quarters. Altogether, the market situation has improved during the second half of the second quarter. However, it is too early at this point to draw any long-term conclusions. Given the very uncertain nature of COVID-19, we expect a gradual recovery.

Despite these short-term uncertainties, the long-term drivers remain the same. The demand for our services is driven by the need to address urbanization, digitalization, and sustainability. One good example of this is that we, during Q2, had been appointed by the Flemish Government architects' team for the design of the central market square in Sint- Niklaas, Belgium, which you can see in the picture here.

In these uncertain times, Sweco has taken some measures to mitigate the challenges caused by COVID-19. In a press release that we sent on April 6 and in the financial report for Q1, we communicated that we have quickly adapted to the situation with around 14,000 of 17,500 employees working remotely and with maintained production capacity. This has been possible mainly due to a high level of digitalization and our decentralized business model.

The quick adaptation has really helped us to keep the focus on business, our projects, and our clients. However, due to COVID-19 impact on industry and private buildings and real estate segments that we announced in April, organizational adjustment as a result of this. At the end of the second quarter, around 130 employees in Sweden have been affected by these organizational adjustments that we announced in April. In addition to this, around 250 employees in other business areas are on temporary layoff, of which approximately 150 in the U.K..

The focus now is to plan for all our employees to return to office, according to guidelines and regulations in each country. Currently, half of our employees have at this point already returned to office. We continue to monitor the situation very closely and evaluate potential further actions. The way forward now is that we continue to execute on our strategy and our long-term goals. What has been important through COVID-19 and will continue to be important is that we stay relevant to our clients, work close together, and focus on winning new projects. We have a strong financial position with low net debt and stable cash flow that creates possibilities for us going forward. With that said, let us now go back to our performance in Q2.

Starting with growth, as you can see on this slide, we delivered a positive organic growth of 1% in the quarter. We had a strong development in Belgium with an organic growth of 7%. We had good growth in the Netherlands, Sweden, and Finland. The main drivers for the organic growth were higher billing ratio and increase of 274 FTEs and lower absence. However, we had weak organic growth in the U.K., Denmark, and Germany, Central Europe.

In the U.K., it was mainly driven by an overall weakened market as a result of the lockdown in the country due to COVID-19, less revenue from subconsultants, and temporary layoff of 150 employees. In Denmark and Germany, Central Europe, the low growth was mainly due to lower average fees. EBITDA increased by 12% in the quarter, adjusted for calendar, and reported a solid margin of 9%.

As you can see in the slide, three out of eight business areas reported double-digit margins despite the uncertain market conditions. Finland, Sweden, and Belgium continue to deliver margins above 10%. The U.K. and the Netherlands deliver good margins. However, the overall performance continues to be weak in Germany, Central Europe. We work hard to fully implement the Sweco model, and this will take time.

Let me now present the acquisition that we made this quarter. SGI Ingénierie became part of Sweco on June 12. The company was founded in 2009 and has 39 employees. SGI has a strong reputation in Brussels and Wallonia for structural design, building techniques, and civil engineering. The acquisition strengthens our position on the Belgian building market. The activities and client profiles of Sweco and SGI complement each other well, and together we have a considerable number of interesting projects in our portfolio. The acquisition is in line with our strategy. Despite the uncertainties caused by COVID-19, we continue to look for interesting acquisition opportunities. With that said, I will now hand over to Olof to walk you through the numbers.

Olof Stålnacke
CFO, Sweco Group

Thank you, Åsa. Thank you, Åsa. When we look at net sales to start with, it is in the quarter close to SEK 5.5 billion, taking LTM net sales to SEK 21.5 billion. Organic growth is 1%, with a small additional positive effect from three more working hours in the quarter. M&A adds another 5%, and including the negative FX effects from the stronger Swedish krona, total growth is 5%. If we then look at EBITDA, the solid EBITDA development that started back in Q1 2018 continues. EBITDA in the quarter is SEK 495 million, SEK 73 million higher than Q2 last year, and that brings LTM EBITDA for the first time above SEK 2 billion. EBITDA growth is SEK 51 million, or 12%, excluding a net- positive calendar effect of SEK 23 million.

The calendar effect was positive in Sweden and Norway, negative in Finland and the Netherlands, and neutral in the other BAs. Looking then at the EBITDA bridge by business area, as in Q1, the main EBITDA drivers are Finland and the U.K.. In both countries, driven by lower operating costs and contribution from acquisitions. In Finland, that's supported by FTE growth, and in the U.K., by higher billing ratio as well as higher average fees. Denmark, Netherlands, and Belgium also improved, whereas Sweden and Norway are slightly negative versus last year. It should be noted that Sweden is impacted negatively by restructuring costs of approximately SEK 40 million.

Three BAs show double-digit margins, with Finland leading at 14.3%. Denmark comes back after weak Q1, but Germany continues to have challenges with profitability. In total, the cost savings related to COVID-19 in the quarter is around SEK 80 million, and that's primarily travel and training costs.

Looking then at the financial position, we have a net debt at the end of Q2 of SEK 1.3 billion, roughly SEK 1 billion less than Q2 last year. This is driven primarily by a strong cash flow from operations, but also by the dividend reduction. Leverage is at 0.5, and we have available liquid assets of SEK 4.7 billion at the end of the first half, including the 1 billion SEK short-term credit facility that we took early in Q2. We are well positioned to manage through the current situation and also to capture the opportunities that may come out of it. With that, back to you, Åsa.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Thank you, Olof. Let us now conclude Sweco's second quarter. We continue to deliver solid performance despite uncertain times. We managed to deliver 1% organic growth, with acquired growth adding another 5%. Our business areas are overall delivering solid margins for the quarter, and we report an EBITDA margin of 9% compared with 8.1% last year. We have a strong financial position going forward with low net debt and good liquidity.

The primary impact from COVID-19 continues to be in the industry and the private building and real estate segments. Still, the long-term demand for our services is driven by strong trends in society. One good example of this is a new assignment appointed by Yorkshire Water to provide consultancy services and a technical service framework, including project management, innovation, and process optimization.

Our focus right now is to continue to deliver on our strategy and to implement the Sweco model on all our markets. We work close together with our clients to ensure that we are relevant and deliver the best solutions, and we focus on winning new projects. We are monitoring the COVID-19 situation closely and are prepared to take additional measures if necessary. We have plans in place for all employees to return to office, according to guidelines and regulations in each country.

Looking ahead, our long-term focus is, of course, to continue to stay relevant and develop sustainable solutions together with our clients. Our societies, cities, and industries are all going through major transformations, and Sweco is well positioned to support our clients in this. Thank you.

Katarina Grönwall
Head of Investor Relations, Sweco Group

Thank you, Åsa and Olof. With that, we open up for questions. And those who prefer to use the chat, that is also possible. Please go ahead.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, as a reminder, if you have a comment or a question on today's call, please press star one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. That's star one if you have a question on today's call. Our first question comes from the line of Johan Dahl. Your line is open. Please ask your question.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, Danske Bank

Hi, yes, hi there. Johan at Danske Bank.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Hey, Johan.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, Danske Bank

Hey, just a quick question on. [Foreign language]

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

English, please.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, Danske Bank

No, exactly that. I was just wondering, it's a bit difficult to evaluate the performance given the very special rules regarding furloughs, etc. Would you say that the improvement in the billing ratio that we saw in this quarter, is that sort of an underlying improvement, or is it more a result of the very special rules that theoretically could sort of help you to raise the billing ratio?

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

I would say it's both, but if you think about how few we actually have furloughed or temporarily laid off, I would say it's an effect of that we mid-March transformed the business and actually was super clear on that we focused on the client market and the projects, and we stopped the non-critical internal work. That means that the whole organization is focusing on the clients and the projects, and that is why we could increase the productivity, even if we work remotely and even if we have faced difficulties or uncertainties on the market.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, Danske Bank

I understand. Just can you elaborate a bit also? You seem to be slightly more cautious regarding the fee development at the moment. I mean, you made clear that competition is heating up in certain segments. Which segments are those? And do you see this sort of slightly changed pricing regime in your order book as of now?

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Your last question, no. During this quarter, we don't see that, but there is an increase when it comes to competition. Short term, we see that in most of our segments, and I think that is more due to the nature of a crisis environment. When companies and leaders tend to be distressed, you see different behaviors in relation to what kind of prices and tenders you put out on the market. In the long term or in the medium term, I would say that it might be in the industry segment and also in the private buildings and the real estate segment that we see more competition in those segments. But I think it's really important to emphasize that our order backlog is an order backlog that we have built for several years.

What we have done the last years and what you have seen when it comes to price development is what we now have in our portfolio. I always say that what you have in contract and fees, you have in your portfolio. For us, it's super important now to focus on putting the right prices on the market and really show the value towards the market. We follow that and monitor that closely. But I, of course, see this as a risk because we need to really make the right choices here.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, Danske Bank

Gotcha. Just finally, can you say anything regarding the order book, how it looks end of the quarter compared to last year? And can you say if the sort of fee tailwind, was it less in Q2 compared to Q1, or was it similar to Q1?

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

If I look at the market situation, the overall demand, as I said, for our services remained stable, but our order book was on a somewhat lower level in the second quarter. Most of our projects have remained relatively unaffected. We are winning new orders because what we did, as I said, in mid-March, beginning of April, was that we told the organization of this decentralized responsibility and our 1,500 team leaders and project managers to focus their effort towards clients and markets, and we need to stay relevant and also focus on winning new projects due to this crisis and potential market turnout. That, I would say, has paid off.

Again, it's hard to say. I can't give you any forecast, but far, I'm pleased that we have a good level of orders received. We have one new project during the quarter, and we only see a slight kind of low effect on our order backlog during this period of time.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, Danske Bank

Thank you.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

One more comment to that. I think it's important again to mention that we are not dependent on a few big projects or clients. The small and medium-sized projects, along with the bigger ones, and also the broad portfolio we have of public and private clients, but also four different segments, it's really crucial now in combination with the Sweco operating model.

Johan Dahl
Analyst, Danske Bank

Gotcha. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ola Södermark . Your line is open. Please ask your question.

Ola Södermark
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yes, hello, Ola Södermark , Kepler Cheuvreux .

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Hi, Ola.

Ola Södermark
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Hi. A follow-up on the order book. Can you elaborate a little bit on how it has developed during the quarter if it has any material change towards the end of the quarter? And also, I think you mentioned that you can see some positive effects. Do you think there are a lot of catch-up effects towards the end of the quarter, or do you see a stable underlying demand?

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

In the beginning, or in late March and in the beginning of April, or during April, beginning of May, we saw projects stopped, delayed, and procurement processes postponed. That was the first part of the quarter. What we have seen last part of the quarter is that the level of projects affected in our order backlog is fewer, and it seems that that has stabilized. We have also seen some of the postponed procurement processes or stopped projects actually have restarted during this period of time.

In combination with that we work so intensively with client interaction and winning new projects, that's why we are in good shape when it comes to the order backlog. Again, it's really hard to normally, we don't detail and discuss in more detail when it comes to our order backlog. But again, back to that, we have 70,000 ongoing projects and an average fee of EUR 35,000.

Ola Södermark
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Yeah. Can you say anything about, is there any business area when it comes to orders that stands out in a positive way or a negative way?

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

It's the industry segment. As you know, we have industry segments in most of our business areas. It's also the private building and real estate segment that has been affected. Again, as we pushed so hard for client interaction and trying to win new orders, I think we have met that decrease in those segments quite well. As before, I will say that the industry segment, the energy and the water segments are still strong. That would be the picture that we see right now. Also, we expect, of course, if we look at previous crises, we expect there to be stimulation packages coming in the back end of this crisis. We haven't seen any of those stimulation packages yet be implemented.

The discussions that I'm part of when it comes to governments, regions, and communities, municipalities, sorry, is in line with that there will be stimulation packages in relation to sustainable solutions and sustainable transportation, railway, and electrification of roads. So a green restart after this crisis is what is discussed. That means that we are in the sweet spot when it comes to those stimulation packages if and when they potentially happen.

Ola Södermark
Equity Research Analyst, Kepler Cheuvreux

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Erik Elander. Your line is open. Please ask your question.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Hi, Erik.

Erik Elander
Equity Research Analyst, Svenska Handelsbanken

Yes. Hello. H ello, Olof, and Katarina as well. I think it's very interesting because when you look at the margins, especially in Finland and Belgium, it's really impressive what you have done in those areas. I mean, if you go back just two or three years from today, margins were around 7% in those countries. However, you have Sweden, the Swedish operation, which has been really good for a long time, but then you have also the other operations, which is below 10% at the moment, at least.

Given the journey that you have done in Finland, which is now at the highest margin within the group, and also the Belgium journey that you have done, how long should one expect, or how long do you expect it to take for the other operations to get to the same margin or at least above 10%?

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

That is a good question, and I have tried to answer this question before. Now we have this uncertain COVID-19 situation, which makes this even more tricky to answer. My answer would be that for us, it's about having a clear focus on implementing the Sweco operating model, and that takes different times for different business areas because it is in relation to where the starting point is and how the market works and what capability there is within each business area to adapt the way we would like to work and what kind of leadership there is culture-wise in a country.

Our focus is, and it's on the agenda, and we have a program to implement the Sweco operating model. Of course, a hit like COVID-19 and the period that we have right now will affect this. We keep our eyes on the ball and continue to implement.

For me, again, the most important thing when it comes to leading a service company is to take it step by step. As long as I see continuous improvement, it's not the pace that I focus on. I focus on that it's a step-by-step approach to become better and create a stronger performance in line with our model. Then we will reach our goal. When? I don't know, actually. We will see. We have shown, as you refer to, both in Finland and in Belgium, that it's doable. It's not doable in one country. It's more of how we implement and how long it will take for us to reach the levels that we would like to be on.

Erik Elander
Equity Research Analyst, Svenska Handelsbanken

It's basically about how the country is adapting to the Sweco model of working, how quickly they adapt, I should say.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Or how long it will take for them to implement and transform their capability b ecause it's not only about implementing certain processes. It's about creating strong client relationships, broadening the product portfolio. It's about ensuring that we operate with internal efficiency in a certain way, that we have behavior when it comes to leadership that really supports and leads the power of performance in each individual. So it's also behavioral things and cultural things that we work to change, and that takes time.

Erik Elander
Equity Research Analyst, Svenska Handelsbanken

Okay. Thank you very much. I wish you a great summer.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Same to you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Johansson, and your line is open. Please ask your question.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Hi, Johan.

Hi. Yeah. Thank you for taking my question. Actually, we have covered much of those questions I have prepared. But is it possible to just quantify the effects of the cost savings that you have initiated in Sweden, for example, during the second half of this year?

Olof?

Olof Stålnacke
CFO, Sweco Group

Yeah. I think it's 130 people that have been affected in Sweden. We have seen very little of the savings in Q2, but we have, as you've seen, taken the restructuring costs. So with some assumptions on salaries, we don't have a number that we communicate, but it should be quite easy to estimate. We'll come back in Q2 when we see the actual savings.

Okay. Yeah. I'll try to do my own calculations then. Thank you.

Katarina Grönwall
Head of Investor Relations, Sweco Group

Our next question comes from the line of Dan Johansson. Your line is open. Please ask your question.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Hi, Dan.

Olof Stålnacke
CFO, Sweco Group

Hi, Dan Johansson.

Dan Johansson
Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Hi.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Hi.

Dan Johansson
Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Two questions from my side as well. First one on Norway, perhaps a bit slower than at least what I had expected. Is it possible to quantify the impact from the negative project adjustments you had on the EBITDA line?

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

In Norway?

Dan Johansson
Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Yeah. Exactly.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Olof?

Olof Stålnacke
CFO, Sweco Group

It is. Most of the decline in EBITDA versus last year comes from project adjustments. You can roughly assume that that's the negative project adjustment.

Dan Johansson
Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Okay. Thanks. Another question, if I may. Cash flow very strong in the quarter. On balance sheet utilization, are you planning to look a bit more intensively now at M&A again after a summer? Perhaps as overall demand also holds up a bit affected than initially feared. How is your acquisition pipeline looking currently?

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

We have a strong or a very clear long-term strategy for the acquisition that we follow. We have a plan in place for each business area. Of course, during this period of time, it has been a somewhat slower pace because we haven't been able to travel and meet face to face. But we have a pipeline of companies that are of interest to us. We keep up the dialogue, and we are ready to intensify that work when we get the opportunity and when we can start to travel. But I would like to emphasize that we stick to our strategy. That means that even if there would be lots of possibilities out there on the market, we have the same way of doing this.

We're looking for companies that suit us, that is, the right companies for Sweco, and we will take the time to have a dialogue to ensure that we make the right acquisitions so we don't bring in risk to our portfolio due to a potential stress on the market.

Dan Johansson
Equity Research Analyst, SEB

Thank you. Thank you so much. That was it for me.

Operator

Do we have a question from the web, from the chat function?

Katarina Grönwall
Head of Investor Relations, Sweco Group

It's from Christian Hellman from Nordea. Can you mention what the organic growth was on a per-month basis, April, May, and June?

Olof Stålnacke
CFO, Sweco Group

We don't want to get into monthly growth figures. It was relatively stable throughout the quarter.

Åsa Bergman
CEO, Sweco Group

Okay. Thank you, everyone, and have a great summer. Stay safe and healthy.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today's conference. Thank you to everyone who's participated in today's call. You may now all disconnect.

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