Earnings Call: Q1 2021

Apr 23, 2021

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to this Q1 2021 results presentation from Sierra Company. We have our President and CEO, Alison Kirkby with us and CFO, Christian Merlin, as usual, and also the IR team. And before we start, I would just like to remind you all to please be disciplined and stick to one question each so that we have time for everyone to ask a question. Otherwise, you have a brilliant IR team that can take care of the rest, but please do be disciplined. And by that, I leave the word to Alison. Good morning, everyone, from can you believe it, a snowy day in Stockholm. So apart from the weather, 2021 is the start of a journey to reinvent Avesotalia. And I'm pleased that we, in this Q1 of the journey, delivered in line with our expectations despite increased pandemic related restrictions across our footprint during this past quarter. As in the prior quarter, our core telco Business has remained resilient, while TV and media is rebounding. And ICT was a little bit softer in the quarter, but we believe that is pandemic related. So all in all, we had a service revenue that like for like declined by 2.3%, which is pretty much in line with the level we saw last quarter. EBITDA return to growth on a like for like basis, thanks to OpEx reductions across the group, down 3% and some special items in Norway. Indeed, if you look at Norway, TV and Media and our Baltic businesses, they all grew positively in the quarter, compensating for some headwinds in Sweden and Finland. CapEx was broadly flat as our increased mobile network investment is replacing the fiber investment of Q1 last year. Operational free cash flow was particularly strong at SEK 4,000,000,000 helped by a positive contribution from working capital, but the more structural element of operational free cash flow was also good and basically flat year on year at DKK 2 point DKK3 billion. This has contributed to a strong closing balance sheet position with pro form a leverage at 2.3 times. As you all know, we launched our new strategy and the turnaround plan for Telia only in January. It's a multiyear journey. It will take time and investment, but I am encouraged by some of the early progress. So looking at each of the Strategic priorities, in turn, inspiring our customers, if you recall, is about creating the enablers that will return Telia to top line growth. It's about combining our network leadership position with brands and digital experiences that will enable growth beyond connectivity, Strengthening our connectivity position, accelerating convergence and creating differentiated superior customer experiences in both consumer and enterprise segments are our immediate priorities. During the quarter, customer satisfaction as measured by NPS was broadly stable. We are sustaining high levels in the Baltics and we're seeing improvements in Sweden and in Denmark. In Sweden, we're pleased to see the positive trends developing since we invested to increase availability in our call centers, which turned out to be very timely as we saw more restrictions in the quarter. In Norway and Finland, where we need to close the gap to competition, We are seeing now consideration and brand perception improve on the back of 5 gs, but clearly we have more to do there. We've made good progress on our converged customer base in the quarter with Sweden growing 38,000, Norway growing 10, Lithuania growing 10, Finland growing 5,000 and also in Finland, we're seeing 50% of all 5 gs Scribbr adds C More to their mobile subscription. Convergence is not just beneficial for the consumer segment. And during the quarter, we also saw good progress in the enterprise segment, an example being a renewed but broader contract The housing company Familia Bostader, roughly 20,000 tenants, where we'll offer a unique combination of digital services, including broadband, TV And SmartHome IoT Solutions with our Cygates business providing public wireless Wi Fi throughout the interstate. After the quarter ended, we landed another similar landlord contract as well, also an existing customer, but now with a larger scope. This is convergence at its best and combines Telia's strength in the home, combined with our strength in enterprise and our unique strength in the IoT and ICT segments. Also in enterprise, we're winning new highly important governmental contracts such as a recent win with the ministries of foreign affairs in both Sweden and Norway. Quality networks and security credentials are increasingly important these days for the large and key enterprise and particularly the public sector. And our security credentials are second to none And it's a segment that is growing and we will be a part of that growth. As we explained in January, developing TV and media to its full potential is also a key priority for us, and we are delighted to see it rebounding. We're strengthening our position in both our ad based in free to air business and in our Seymour OTT business, gaining both commercial share of viewing in Sweden and Finland and in the Gulf of Seymour. Moving to the Connecting Everyone strategic priority, which aims to use the catalyst of 5 gs and gigabit speed 6 networks to enhance our position as the most trusted, reliable and efficient networks for the societies of Philodics and Evoltech. Having secured the largest and best part of the 5 gs spectrum in Sweden in January, we have just this week secured the 5 gs spectrum we need in Denmark as well, also at rational pricing levels. The Danish auction included many spectrum bands, but together with Telenor, recall we have the TTN Shared network there, we secured 140 megahertz in the 3.5 gigahertz spectrum and 2x20 megahertz in the 2.1 spectrum. We also secured frequencies in the 1.5, 2.3 and 26 gigahertz bands. This means that we can now accelerate our 5 gs network rollout in Denmark. 5 gs rollout and network modernization continued in the quarter, and we're continuing to see increased penetration of 5 gs enabled handsets Now it's 50% in Norway and 55% of new sales in Sweden, creating a foundation for monetization opportunities that we plan for later in the year. Alongside 5 gs rollout, we're migrating away from and decommissioning legacy with good progress in Sweden in the quarter leading Structural cost reductions within both COGS and OPEC worth SEK 75,000,000. And we were included again in the Gartner Magic quadrant for world leading network services. Finally, Telia Asset Management is up and running where our initial focus It's an identifying partners for our tower portfolios in Norway and Finland. I think we can safely say that interest from external partners is Very strong. Transforming to digital is the engine to take us from being a good company to a better and great digital company. As we presented at our investor brief, there are 4 cornerstones to our digital transformation: product simplification, Process automation, increased use of data analytics to support personalization at scale and a radically simplified and leaner IT T Organization and Infrastructure. The program is ramping up with more than 500 initiatives And providing substance and confidence in our incremental DKK 5 billion ambition for 20.25 DKK 5,000,000,000 ambition. We're on track with some visible effects that have contributed to the 3% reduction in our OpEx for the quarter. In the quarter, the progress has mainly been seen in further IT cost reduction through closing of legacy IT systems generating savings of around SEK 60,000,000. On simplification, we've reduced the number of Danish products and price plans by 10% in the quarter and we're now piloting radical product and process simplification in Finland. The headcount reduction target for this year is also on track with over 400 of the targeted 1,000 exiting already on March 31, and that will clearly start to benefit us in the coming quarters. And within our TV and Media units, we offer customers a mix of analog and digital inventory, maximizing reach to prepare for the increased transition to digital. In recent quarters, we've made a significant step forward with our AVOD Platforms is spread especially for TV for play where we see time spent growing by 36%. This has yielded a strong digital ad revenue growth of 28% in March alone. And you might have seen already, TV4 is the most Profitable broadcaster in Europe still in 2020 despite the pandemic, but now we aim to be the most profitable and the most digitized broadcaster in Europe going forward. Finally, on delivering sustainably, we're off to the start we expected and guided on even if the pandemic accelerated in our footprint in quarter. Our dividend commitment is well on track to be fully covered from operating free cash flow and the proceeds from the Telia Carrier divestment are on track to be received in June as we have now received all of the final approvals required, meaning that we will close the deal on June 1. On sustainability, just this week, we presented new targets aiming to support and empower societies within our footprint to reduce CO2 and waste to 0 by 2023, to reach 1,000,000 individuals through digital inclusion by 2025 and to continue to maintain and gain customers' trust through strong privacy and security strategies and all underpinned by a strong governance, ethics and human rights Agenda. I was therefore pleased to see that the Sustainability Brand Index, Europe's largest brand study measuring the perception of consumers in our market, recognizing our work as the rank of number 1 in Sweden and the Baltic. Moving to the market and Sweden first. Service revenues declined 2.7%, of which 1% relates to loss of roaming. The rest is explained by an increased decline of legacy copper products that includes both fixed telephony and XPSL. If you exclude the legacy copper decline And rolling and the mobile one offs from last year, underlying and sustainable revenue is growing by 1.4% in the quarter, driven by fiber broadband, predominantly through Open City Networks and TV. This level of underlying growth is very consistent with the levels that we saw in the Q4, which was a high for last year. In the consumer segment, we're basically stable ex roaming with fiber and TV growth offsetting legacy declines. In enterprise, we have a similar stable development underlying despite continued price pressure in core mobile and intensified competition in SME. Fixed price increases and a Strong trends in the large segment are helping to offset these headwinds. Higher equipment volumes as well as the revenue mix change away from high margin copper products did have an impact on gross margin and also EBITDA margin. Despite that, there's been good progress on network costs, as I mentioned earlier, And OpEx is down just over 3% despite a continued higher staffing level in call centers to support the improvement in customer satisfaction. Just as we did across the footprint, Sweden made a number of staffing reductions at the end of the quarter. And with some pricing moves planned during the Q2 and an acceleration of the transformation program, we expect to see improved trends in the second half of this year. Quickly here are some of the underlying drivers of Swedish revenue confirming the relative stability, if you exclude the roaming impacts. In our mobile business, you can see the stable ARPU ex growing. The consumer postpaid base is stable, while the enterprise base was impacted by the loss of a public customer with very low levels of ARPU, which we decided not to fight irrationally to retain. Regarding the mobile pricing environment, it does remain competitive, but no different from what we were experiencing in January. Our larger product portfolio gives us more tools to retain our customers, especially in the large key and public segments. And within SME, we have a large part of the customer base under binding contracts and are value loading mainly through SD WAN solutions and IoT solutions within automated sustainability where necessary to retain our competitiveness. Within broadband, again, the consumer base is Fairly stable. But as we indicated on the previous slide, we do see an accelerating shift from XDSL to fiber, predominantly as we increase penetration within open city networks. ARPU levels are flat as we aim to compensate the dilutive effect from the Scriber mix with price increases or higher speed fiber. On TV, we're continuing to add customers, especially in the MDU segment and from the sports packages we launched during last year. ARPU, as you can see here, is reduced to pre pandemic levels And clearly the euros in the summer, including Zlatan and Champions League in the autumn, we expect TB to grow in the second half. Finland, however, did have a tough start to the year, and there are a few factors explaining the 4.5% decline. Rolling was a third of the decline, especially in the enterprise segment. Excluding roaming, we're flat in the consumer segment and down 1% in enterprise mobile. Fixed enterprise products, mainly ICT and Business Solutions, were another start of the decline. In general, we saw less activity and even some delayed projects, which could be to a large extent related to uncertainty following the tighter COVID restrictions. In fact, we did already see improved sales trends towards the end of the quarter. The final third is legacy declines and the Ligar impact that we have mentioned in prior quarters. OpEx reduced by 4%, predominantly related to lower resource costs, which helped mitigate some of the service revenue decline on EBITDA, which was down 2%. Utilizing content and 5 gs to win the household becoming the leading orchestrator of digital services to the enterprise are our 2 key commercial priorities to turn around our finished business. And despite the headline financials, there were some reasons to be cheerful in the quarter. Yes, we're still behind 5 gs rollout, but we are accelerating and Telia was the operator with the largest improvement in 5 gs perception during the quarter. This combined with our content with Access 5 gs product is starting to help us build our 5 gs base. It also helped deliver strong growth in TV subscribers in the quarter, up 32,000, taking us to a total of direct to consumer TV customers of 860,000, which is Telia plus C More Subs. 5 gs rollout, convergence and digital transformation remain our key priorities to return Finland to sustainable profitable growth. This quarter was clearly a wake up call and has emphasized a need for speed. Moving on to Norway. Service revenues declined by 3.5% like for like and this is entirely related to two factors. The first being lower revenues from ICE due to the new contract and the second, lower roaming revenues. It was, however, good to see stability in the consumer mobile subscriber base at stable ARPU levels in the quarter. We're continuing to see good momentum and positive benefits from the premium Telia X proposition, which now represents 15% of our Telia postpaid customer base. Telia X is not only supporting ARPU, but also sustains A higher NPS level as high as 37. And our fighter brand, 1 call, has now had 27 consecutive months of positive net adds. As I mentioned earlier, our FMC base is also growing nicely. On the enterprise side, we are gaining customers both in Telia and and Fanero. Gradually, Fanero is increasing its scope and has been particularly successful in the lower end of the SME segment this quarter. We've also just won our largest SD WAN contract ever with the Norwegian vetting agency and we've increased the scope of our contract with the Norwegian police, which just proves to show that we are building credibility for having very high quality network position in Norway. Broadband revenues are showing strong growth, both from a slightly higher subscriber base, but more importantly from the more for more price adjustment dated in December. TV revenues, however, are declining, but we do have a stable MDU customer base, The churn on FDUs is diluting the ARPU level. OpEx reduced by 11% from continued good cost control and one offs. This resulted in an excellent EBITDA growth of 15%, 2 thirds of which are from non recurring items. Sorry for the background noise, but that's our automatic line going up. Moving to the lead market, the trend remains strong in our Baltic operations despite increased infection rates and restrictions. In Lithuania, We saw a 4% growth in both mobile and fixed services, where especially the consumer segment that is performing well, driven by mobile. In local currency, EBITDA remains at all time high levels reached in Q2 2020 despite the rolling losses. In Estonia, service revenues were flat on a like for like basis as our mobile services were impacted by lower roaming, while fixed revenues continue to perform well driven by broadband, TV and Business Solutions. Strong cost control led to an OpEx decline of 5%, supporting EBITDA to grow by 6% on a like for like basis. Denmark suffered relatively more than other countries from the loss of roaming revenue and from having the majority of shops closed during the quarter. Our revenues were also impacted by ongoing portfolio rationalization. That being said, the Consumer Mobile segment was relatively stable, but we did see a decline in fixed services. The enterprise segment declined in both mobile and fixed, but a combination of lower resource Because lower marketing, bad debt and effects from the simplification that we've spoken about from a product point of view and the digitalization we're Pursuing their reduced OpEx by 11%, allowing a flattish EBITDA in the quarter. Having now secured the spectrum we need along With Telenor to modernize our networks and roll out 5 gs, we will now continue to modernize, simplify and digitalize our Danish business to return it to the same and growth. And then finally to TV and Media where we had an excellent quarter as it rebounds from pandemic growth. KTV was up 10%, while advertising revenues declined by 1% in the quarter, but turned nicely positive in March. EBITDA also improved to deliver SEK 120,000,000 from revenue growth and good cost control. I mentioned the commercial viewing market share progress earlier supporting the recovery in our free to air channels. Late in the quarter, We premiered a new format, The Masked Singer, with more than 2,000,000 viewers per episode on Friday evenings. Remember, Sweden only has 10,000,000 population. It has turned out to be the most successful premier in the history of TV4, which means TV4 now owns the weekend when it comes to commercial viewing. And here you can see the progress in pay TV with C More OTT growing 20% year on year and this is before Champions League, Which reminds me to remind you that there will be an increase in content costs ahead as we have some sports events coming up that we could not broadcast last year due to COVID, for example, the Euros as well as new content such as Champions League. Clearly, we are on our way to restore and reach Our original ambitions from media ownership driving convergence, increasing loyalty and becoming the aggregator of all the digital experiences for the home regardless if it's media, connectivity or smartphone services. But now I will pass over to P. C, who will take you through the numbers. Thank you, Alison. Let me quickly summarize the financials for you. As mentioned, total service revenue is down 2.3% in the quarter or SEK 450,000,000. As mentioned, around half of this is attributed to the rolling decline. If we take consumer across our footprint, The revenues are stable if we exclude the effect on roaming. Enterprise, however, across the footprint see a decrease with a combination of roaming revenues, negative decline, but also price pressure in some of our key markets. If we break down the service revenue by our unit, of course, all units have impact from roaming. In addition, we see Sweden impacted by legacy declines. We see that the fixed revenues are putting pressure on the Finland service revenues. In Norway, we see pressure from the revised hotel agreement with ICE as earlier announced. And then that is partly offset by good growth momentum both in the Baltic but also in the TV and media units. So the reported sales revenue of minus 2.3% in quarter is below our outlook for the whole year as a whole with a stable to slight growth to revenue. However, if you're looking at most of the growth may decline year over year behind us. Also looking at the good growth momentum and also the Easter comparison both on TV revenues and for our TV media unit, Combining the effects from an initiated and planned pricing and 5 gs monetization initiatives, we believe we are well on track to deliver on the outlook for the year in 2021. If we move over to operational expenses, It was a good start of the year with OpEx more than SEK 200,000,000 down, like for like. Although, as mentioned, there is structural sales in the quarter, but it is not the whole effect that we see. Going forward, however, we expect to see more effects from our transformation agenda and related deductions in our resources, both SCE and also SCC. If we break down the OpEx development by category, we see that we had a relatively stable resource cost development versus the quarter last year. And these are various cost initiatives implemented across our footprint, offsetting salary inflation and an increased pension costs in the quarter. Then as Alastair mentioned, towards the end of the quarter, we have reduced our resources by more than €400,000,000 both on SCEs and And we will see effects on this at Q2 onwards. The IT cost is down SEK 60,000,000 in the quarter from structural cost initiatives. And this we expect will continue to develop in a positive direction from vendor consolidation, insourcing and also near shoring activities. And then over time, we will start to see more effects from the more structural partner transformation with product simplification, process automation and also IT modernization. Combined travel and bad debt is down SEK 100,000,000 in the quarter versus last year. Travel is down due to lower travel activities from the pandemic. And some of this is expected to return when the societies open up again. But we also expect to see sort of permanent lower travel costs going forward. And I think for 2021, we don't expect any significant changes on the travel area. That said, it's lower in the quarter, mainly driven by comparison versus the Q1 last year. So overall, we are well on track to deliver the 1,000 reductions in resources in 2021. And we're also well on track to reduce OpEx by SEK 2,000,000,000 by 2023 and SEK 4,000,000,000 until 2025. If we move to EBITDA, we reported, as Alison has mentioned, an underlying growth of 2.2% And this is where OpEx and COGS reductions are mitigating the pressure on the service revenue. In addition to the OpEx declines, we see lower COGS from roaming, interconnect and also network cost. The reduction on the network cost is structural cost savings, particularly in our Swedish business unit. If we look at total EBITDA development, how that has developed in a different unit, We see that Sweden is impacted by a combination of revenue declines, but also, as Alison mentioned, the mix of the revenues. Norway is positively impacted with a very strong EBITDA in the quarter, also impacted by the special items mentioned. And TV Media is growing by combination of revenue growth and also lower costs. And then we have smaller positives and negatives in the other business units netting each other out. Our EBITDA growth in Q1 is in line with the yearly outlook, And we are on track to deliver on the EBITDA outlook being flattish or slight growth in 2021. On cash CapEx, last 12 months, we have delivered SEK 13,400,000,000 or 15.1 percent to net sales. We expect that we have talked about earlier that cash CapEx will gradually increase going forward. We also see that COVID-nineteen had some impact in the quarter where it's hard to keep up all the investment activities with the restrictions that we have in most of our markets. However, our teams have done a fantastic job to mitigate this and keep up the pace on the sort of key investments that we have in our program. Going forward, we also see some risks related to the global supply chain situation that can have an impact on the timing of the investment activities and therefore some delays on our CapEx. But we will, of course, do what we can to mitigate this also going forward. If you look at CapEx in the quarter, we have a stable CapEx development on a cash basis versus last year. Even if we have increased the activities on the mobile network investment related to the mentioned modernization of 5 gs, We see a somewhat delayed impact on this because of the good payment terms we have on a large part of this spend. As mentioned also, we see a year over year decline on the fiber investment in Sweden with around SEK 100,000,000. So even though the CapEx level in Q1 is somewhat lower than the sort of the full outlook for the year, It is mostly a combination of phasing between the quarters, but also a delayed impact coming from the loan payment terms that we have on these activities. On cash flow, we report the rolling 12 month cash flow of CHF 12,800,000,000 supported by significant positive contribution from working capital. We also report cash flow excluding working capital at SEK8.8 billion still above the sort of minimum dividend commitment of SEK8.2 billion that is necessary to honored the SEK2.00 dividend per share that we commuted as a floor. Looking at the cash flow for the quarter, we see stable development on the key structural components of the cash flow, but a Positive contribution in the quarter on net working capital versus the change last year of SEK 800,000,000 and this is as in the previous quarters still supported by increased spend on our supplier financing arrangements that we have and also vendor financing in some of our key markets. So overall, we are well on track to deliver cash flow in 2021 to cover the minimum dividend commitment and from 2022 onwards to cover the minimum dividend by cash flow generation excluding change in working capital. In Q1, our net debt to EBITDA ratio has slightly improved to 2.52 times. Net debt is reduced by SEK 1,100,000,000 despite a SEK 2,700,000,000 negative impact from foreign exchange rates and also an increase in change of lease liabilities. As Alekon mentioned, We will now close the transaction on the seller carrier deal June 1. The proceeds from this transaction we'll reduce the net debt to EBITDA ratio down to 2.29 times. And then that will put us well within our targeted leverage range of 2.0x to 2.5x. If we then summarize with the outlook, I'm taking you through now our outlook on 1st revenue adjusted EBITDA and also on cash CapEx. And as mentioned, we are well on track to deliver on that and therefore reiterate our outlook for the year. And with that, I will hand over to you, Allison, to summarize the quarter before going in So Q and A. Yes. So thanks, P. C. And just in summary, we are where we expected to be, and I'm Pleased to see us return to EBITDA growth despite the challenges the pandemic keeps throwing out. Our core telco business is holding up well, but the TV and media unit that stands out along with the strong EBITDA performance in Norway and the Baltics for the quarter. Cash generation remains very healthy and our balance sheet is Solid. So our full focus is now on creating a better Telia by delivering on the road map that we set out in January. A road map that is aiming to reinvent a better Telia for our customers and employees and our shareholders while contributing our part to enabling the development and digitalization of the societies of the Nordics and the Baltics. So full focus on strategy Execution is what we are doing at this time. And on that note, I think it's time for Q and A. Yes. Please, operator, let's have the first question. Thank you. So your first question comes from the line of Maurice Patrick from Barclays. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Yes. Hi, guys. It's Maurice here. I guess it's a very simple question for me. Just a question on the Swedish competitive outlook. You've seen Tele2 talk about more sort of value of the volume, Implying less of a focus on pursuing just service growth, but focusing on growing ARPU, wants to position themselves more as a premium brand. I They have lost postpaid subs for a couple of quarters in a row. I know you say you've done flattish consumer postpaid. But just are you seeing changes in the Swedish Competitive market. Are we seeing a more rational market overall? Or is it still as competitive as it was? I'd say it's pretty much the same at the moment, Laurence. There is no real change in the quarter versus prior quarters. But I am confident that the appetite for Trading up to 5 gs that we're seeing in Finland is therefore something that we'll be able to take advantage of in Sweden once our networks are more broadly available for the population. Great appetite for 5 gs enabled handsets, that's 55 Percent of all handsets sold. So I'd say no change. And it's our responsibility as a market leader To use the next generation of technologies to trade customers up to higher speeds and higher premium products. Thank you. And your comments around Sweden improving in the second half, was that more around just pricing, pricing alone? Or was it pricing and also operational momentum? Pricing and operational momentum. Clearly, we will have a very strong content Package to take to the market in the second half as well. And as I mentioned, a couple of examples there of some of the wins we're getting in MDUs. As We go into Open City Networks with a great TV package supported by the services that we can provide through IoT In our Cygaze ICT business, we're seeing great commercial momentum from that. So I see TV is a catalyst for us to continue to really push convergence and build commercial momentum. And a lot of The work we're doing on customer experience and digital transformation, I would expect to see some of those benefits coming through in the second half as well. And enterprise has been tough for a while. We are we continue to perform relatively better than the market, particularly In the large key and public sectors and that remains a strong area for us, Maurice. Great. Thank you so much. Thanks a lot, Maurice. Could we have the next question, please? Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Peter Nielsen from ABG. Please go ahead. Your line is Thank you very much. Good morning, Alison. Just a question related to something you just Chop step 1, namely your improved content offering in the second half of the year. Clearly, the TV, as you highlight, It's a key driver for the convergence proposition. Have you fully clarified, Allison, how you're going to capitalize on these rights, on these expensive The content you will have in the second half and drive and use it to drive your convergence offering in the consumer market. And is this something you can Discuss with us now? And when should we start to see sort of some signs on this in the market? I mean, in terms of Telia increasing its branding, its digital marketing efforts. When should we start to see signs of this? Thank you very much. Yes. Well, we haven't said how we will capitalize on Champions League across our different platforms, Peter, so we'll continue to keep that a secret because the key asset is So clearly that starts kicking in September onwards. But during the summer, we will also benefit from the euros, which is on a number of our TV platforms. Not that we'll be able to drive particular convergence on that, but that Strengthens all of the sports packages that we've been driving since last summer. And I'll say it again, we have Slaton and the Swedish team to cheer you up on a Friday. Thank you, P. K. Not sure if Denmark is in the euros, but perhaps I don't keep track of Denmark. Next question, please. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Nick Lyall from SocGen. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Good morning, guys. Scotland after a change, so we'll be okay, Alison, I think. Next one minute. On the Finnish ARPU, It was a bit weaker than last quarter. Is that all down to the ICT and Business Solutions that you mentioned? That seems a bit of a strange performance given Some of the small 5 gs benefits in the consumer side you're starting to see coming through. So could you maybe just mention why that's a little weaker? And maybe a clarification, if that's okay, just on the debt. That's quite a big move in leases in ForEx below the line. Could you just Maybe describe if there's something one off in there or anything we need to bear in mind? Thank you. Yes. So, P. C, you'll take the debt question. Yes, the Finnish ARPU, Yes, it was weak. If you recall, we had a very strong end to the year in the ICT and Business Solutions The area. And then with increased pandemic restrictions, a real cautious sentiment settling into the Finnish market, We saw a very quiet January, February in the Enterprise segment. And I think we've heard from one of our peers in the market, they had a similar experience. That clearly just dilutes our overall revenues in the market. On the positive, and I did say it there, We are starting to see signs of improvement in March. And I think we need to accept that We have such a significant share of revenues in non connectivity in our Enterprise segment. They do come in a much lumpier way. But why are we not seeing the benefits coming through on 5 gs yet? Because we are still seeing €3 and above on migration. It's because the base is just too small, Nick. I think we've got 70,000 customers in the consumer segment now, And we're now ramping up. We were slower than competition, take an off to a start with 5 gs. We've now got new strategic contracts with Nokia, both in our own network and in our shared network that we Expanded with DNA during the quarter and we will be ramping up. And I'd expect to see the more the 5 gs becomes a meaningful part of the business, the more that that will start to improve ARPUs again. On the positive, as you know, we've been suffering from network quality perception versus the Key competitor in Finland for a number of years. All of the studies we're now doing is saying The 5 gs is closing that perception gap. And that combined with TV content is changing the consideration For Telia in Finland. So I'm sure that once we get out of pandemic And we have a bigger share of 5 gs in the base and particularly where the market seems to be ready to take on 5 gs tariffs that we'll start to see a turnaround. And then on your debt question, I think on the SEK2.7 billion, around SEK1 1,000,000,000 is related to increase in lease liabilities and this is mainly driven by a new head office in Norway. Then there is an effect of SEK 1.6 which is FX related. And this is coming from that we had debt both in Norwegian in kronor and also in euro. And we haven't fully swapped this into the Swedish kronor. Due to that, we have Exposure both on the Norwegian currency and on the euro currency. So since we have this exposure, there will be some effects from time to I'm on the FX, but it should not be bigger than the FX that you see here. And this is an attempt on us to to optimize both the hedging and also the cost related to that. That's great. Thanks very much. Thanks, Nick. Thanks, Nick. Could we have the next question, please? Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Keval Karruya from Deutsche Cheb, please go ahead. Your line is open. Thank you. I've got a question on Norway. So if I think back to Norway last year, you saw a significant step up in EBITDA growth from the Q2. How should we think about the EBITDA trends for Norway for the rest of the year given you do have tough comps And also the loss of the ICE revenues for the rest of the year. Are there any incremental OpEx cuts planned for Norway to offset this? Thank you. So clearly, we've had a major acceleration in our EBITDA in Norway as we benefit from Integration savings and with start, but they are now stabilizing out now. But what our ambition is, like on the back of our new strategy is to transform the cost base and to start to get to growth on the top line as well. So but and The Norway, like all of our footprint, are taking out headcount. They took out some headcount at the end of March. And As we become more efficient and more automated, they will continue to be driving headcount out as well. But I think We're kind of at a new level on Norway and the incremental growth quarter on quarter will not be of the scale that you've seen recently. That's clear. Thank you. Thank you, Keval. Next question please. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Steve Malcolm. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Yes. Good morning, everyone. Just a question, really a quick follow-up on the Swedish KPI This quarter, particularly broadband. Can you just help us sort of understand the envelope around your broadband business? I mean, you talked very clearly about the drag from ex DSL, the replacement of those lines with customers on Open City Networks. So maybe just update us on what the sort of What the overall drag you're going to face on the BSL basis and what the opportunity is on Open City Networks and how we should think about that over the next 2 or 3 years within the context of overall broadband growth. And as you move as customers as you lose ATSL customers, you replace them with OpenSea Network Fiber customers. What's the margin impact of that migration? That would be really helpful. Thanks. Okay. Thanks for the question, Steve. I think if you look at The chart that we gave you this quarter, we're starting to try and isolate for you the legacy headwinds and some of those Other items and roaming implications. So that €791,000,000 is basically the headwinds that we now have remaining, Which is a mix of fixed telephony and ex ESL. And I'm looking at Andreas to say if we've ever disclosed what the split of that is Between the 2 and he'll probably tell me not to. But so that's now giving you a little bit of an understanding of what's left to show. We have clearly, there's opportunities in Open City Networks. There's also opportunities for us We continue to connect fiber customers in our network that we've not yet connected. And we see scope with fixed wireless access as well. And that we have if we connect fiber our own fiber And with fixed wireless access, those margins are better than the margins on Open City Networks, which we don't disclose. But remember, there's no CapEx associated with those open city networks. Okay. I mean, in overall broadband volume terms, you've been losing for a couple of years now. I mean, Can you see any points at which you might you would hope that starts to inflect as the DSL drag dissipates and the fiber opportunities improve? So I think you're starting to see a pretty good stability now in absolute broadband base. And clearly, That was one of the rationales for the investment in TV, was to give us a converged proposition to take into MDUs And SDUs where we didn't have a Telia customer base. And also going forward, when you do your forecasting, Please note that we have announced price increases on ex DSO of SEK 50, which is roughly 40x VAT, and also on the PSTN subscription. So that will be effective as of 1st June this year. Okay, great. And one just quick follow-up. Just on postpaid, your postpaid mobile churn popped up as well in Q1. Was that down to the enterprise loss that you talked about? So I was a bit surprised the churn went up In a lockdown? Yes, it was all enterprise. Actually churn was down in consumer. Okay, great. Thanks. Thank you, Steve. Next question, please. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Terence Tsui from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I just had a question around how you see the trajectory of the group service revenues evolving through 2021. Obviously, the Q1 number of minus 2.6% is quite a bit below the full year guidance. I'm just seeing just wondering where you think are the key moving parts for you to accelerate and hit the flat to low single digit growth for the year overall? Thank you. Yes. I'll give some high headlines and then maybe P. C. Can do a bit more detail. Clearly, we don't have the headwinds from Year on year roaming reduction starting already in Q2. And with the acceleration we're now starting to see in advertising revenues, I would expect a quick bounce back in our TV Media unit as well. And we've got a number of pricing we've planned So, Pete, do you want to build on that? Yes. Just to add, I think also last year, our TV revenues was quite badly hit, especially in the second quarter, but also in 3rd quarter, both from COVID. We don't see and we don't expect similar implications this year, and that will help us on a year over year comparison. And then also, I think the sort of constant and the challenges we get back in the second half will also be a contributor on the top line. So I think the $2,000,000,000 hit that we had from in our ad based business and from roaming last year, we were very Quite explicit on that quarter by quarter. So that starts to give you a bit of an understanding of what Q2, Q3 and Q4 might look like. And then if you add on a bit of pricing, but offset a bit of legacy headwinds, then that should help you get there. So we should be able The lever on the outlook, would that any sort of significant trend shifts in our underlying business? Great. Thank you for that. Thank you, Terence. Let's move to the next question. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Johanna Olke. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Yes, hello. This is Johanna Olkis from SEB. One question for me related to the Swedish SME market. I think we discussed this in previous quarter as well. I'm just wondering how you feel that this market has developed because 2 of your Key competitors have followed 3 and lowered prices. I think it's €3.49 for all you can eat. And I'm just wondering how concerned are you that this will continue to be a negative spiral On the SME segment and what can you do to prevent this, to be honest? Thank you. Yes. Well, as the market leader, we are not matching the movements that we've seen in the market. As I said, what we are trying to do instead is value load with SD-one as an example. And because most of our SME customers are on binding contracts, then when they come to the end of the contract Period. That's when we are able to step in with some of the value loading intervention. We've done some campaigning in the quarter as well, but we have not matched competition because we are hopeful that it will move rational again. But we are continuing to see that Telia's range of services and Quality network allows us to sustain 150 plus ARPUs higher than the market. Good. Thank you. Thank you, Johanna. Next question, please. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Lerik Ratha calling from Jefferies. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Yeah. Thanks very much. I would like to ask about working capital, please. You mentioned that in the year on year comparison, there is a boost. Could you maybe put a bit of color on that in terms of The guided end towards that big working capital program, is that something that will unwind later in the year? Or is it sort of The last bit of it or do you actually see a little bit more opportunity as it were in working capital? And can you clarify How you treat the liabilities in net debt? Do you actually include that in net debt? This is a liability that come out of the vendor financing. And then finally, if I may, on that subject, when that vendor financing is We paid. Does that go through your net working capital line or does it go through cash flow from financing? Thank you. Yes. I will try there was a few questions in that question. I will try to answer some of them and then I guess we can follow-up If there are more on that. If you go back to what we have guided on, we had a big positive working Contribution in 2020 of around SEK 3,000,000,000 We guided that we still expected to see positive contributions in 2021 onwards, particularly in 2021, but that it will be less than the SEK 3,000,000,000 that we saw in 2020. Now we have seen a sort of a strong start to the year after the Q1 with a significant contribution of our working capital. We have not done any radically changes in terms of the scope or the arrangements and so on. So these are effects of what we have done 4th, helping us and increasing scope on the arrangements that we have. There is still opportunities ahead, But as we have said that we would like to work more on the structural parts of the working capital as well and less on the sort of financing part. So what we will going forward, we'll continue to work on billing cycles, inventory management and so on. But we don't expect to see major implications in the future from sort of supplier financing and and terminal financing, at least not in the levels that we have seen in the past. And then in terms of the liabilities, Yes, I think they were included in that test. No, they are not. And then you had a question on When we pay, do you get that color? They will unwind on which line in the cash flow they will end up? Yes. So that depends, right? If it's related to the investment activities, they will be booked as part of the cash CapEx. They are outside the investment activities that will be then coming through on the I lost it. Yes. Which line they will come through? Why don't we Yes, that's okay. You will follow-up Ulrich. That's the The downside of asking many questions. Yes. So, Julien, there is no unwinding of that this year. As we said, we guided that it would still be a positive Contribution this year, and it's not going to be a headwind in the foreseeable future to our cash generation. We'll just go off to a strong start this year. That's helpful. Thank you very much. Thank you, Ulrich. Next question, please. We have time for a couple more. Okay. So your next question comes from the line of Andrew Lee from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Yes. Hi, everyone. I had a question just on the Scope for higher ARPU in Swedish mobile. I just wondered if you could give your thoughts and views on The ability for the Swedish market to entertain speed based pricing to the extent that, say, the Finnish market does. And then just a follow-up question to that would be, did you think your 5 gs network is at the point where 5 gs could start to provide that platform for speed based pricing in the coming months or will it take longer than that? Thank you. Well, you're asking detailed questions about potential commercial activity in the market, Andrew, which I probably can't talk about it publicly. But clearly, based on the experience we are seeing in Finland and the willingness Of the consumer to pay more and the suites love to be connected as much as the suites. The suites love to be connected as much as the Finns. We do believe that whatever movement we make on 5 gs in the coming months will enable 5 gs monetization. And in terms of 5 gs network rollout, As I said, we you should expect to see 5 gs monetization starting in the second half of this year. Thank you. That's very helpful. Thank you. Thank you, Andrew. We have time for one more question. So the final question please, operator. Okay. Your final question comes from the line of Andre Kebast calling from UBS. Please go ahead. Your line is open. Hi, thanks for the presentation. It's actually a follow-up on Sweden Mobile. So you mentioned price increases on the call, but then you didn't seem to indicate that in your view the competitive situation in Sweden would be improving much. And this is despite a series of price increases from your main competitors. I was just wondering if these price increases also encompass Mobile at all in the near future. And then in terms of 5 gs, you seem to be actually putting more hope into 5 gs driving mobile than pricing itself. So maybe in terms of the scope of that, would you say that the ballpark figures that, For example, Alisa is guiding for insulin, the kind of 1% incremental addition to the growth is something that you think is achievable In Sweden? Thank you. 5 gs monetization is one of many aspects of how we will start to return our company to positive revenue development over the coming years. We as the market leader, we have been the one that has led pricing in recent years. We were the one that led quite Significant pricing 2 years ago. Some of our peers did not follow, but in recent, we did see One of them moved last quarter, but that was on the Combi brand following some HaloBot pricing that we took quite a year earlier. But so no, we are not yet ready to give guidance on what 5 gs can bring to the top line. But Our guidance is that we will return to low single digit growth over the period across our whole business and Sweden is 1 of those in the coming years and 5 gs will be part of that. Thank you. And maybe just one clarification, please. So would it be in your view more a function of this kind of organic 5 gs upsell versus actual price increases or normal price increases? Well, I think in mobile, it will be a combination of trading we're always looking at migrating customers up to bigger buckets. And we're always looking at what are the new ways that you can stimulate Higher revenues per customer. So and of course, We are used to taking inflationary pricing on our fixed business, starting to see some inflationary pricing kicking in, in other mobile markets at the moment. And that's something that we'd definitely consider in the future as well. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, Andre. And with that, we conclude this call. As always, me and Anders are eagerly waiting for your calls for the questions that you didn't get answers to. So please reach out to us and Talk to you and come back to you when it's time for the Q2 report back in July. Thank you.