Gentlemen, welcome to the Montana Aerospace Q1 2025 earnings call and live webcast. I'm the TV Corps call operator. I would like to remind you that all participants will be in listen-only mode and the conference is being recorded. The presentation will be followed by a Q&A session. You can register for questions at any time by pressing star and one on your telephone. For operator assistance, please press star and zero. The conference must not be recorded for publication or broadcast. At this time, it's my pleasure to hand over to Michael Pistauer, Co-CEO and CFO. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you very much, and hello everybody, and welcome to our Montana Aerospace earnings call for the first quarter 2025. Time is passing fast. We will show you and present you the numbers for the first three months 2025, compare them to development in comparison to 2024, the first quarter, give you an expectation of what we see as an outlook also for the next months ahead, and a rough guidance and some detailed expectations from our side on the different segments for the rest of the year and the rough outlook also for 2026. I will guide you through the presentation. My name is Michael Pistauer, Co-CEO and CFO of the company. Against the announcement, also Kai Arndt, CEO and responsible for AeroStructures, could make it in time.
We come directly back from a large OEM from the U.S., and we will then hand over once we come to the AeroStructures to Kai to give you a more detailed background of the developments there. Let's flip directly into the results, which we are very happy to present. Maybe we can, hopefully you can see the presentation already on the necessary pages. Here we have a result, which is, I don't know if you can see the presentation pages flipping, at least from my screen. I don't see it changing. Hopefully you can see it. In any case, otherwise, I just announce the page number so that you know where we are. On page number three, we still talk about Montana Aerospace as a two-segment business. So AeroStructures and energy. AeroStructures is not only the main driver of the business, but also the name giver.
Here we produce these mission-critical AeroStructure parts for all kinds of aeroplanes and all the different stages. I guess we can see that we are mission-critical for every commercial aircraft in the sky and also many others. Energy, second segment. Here we are powering the green innovation with our copper core products and driven by the energy transition and by the large demand for new applications concerning transformation and generation. The development of the company Montana Aerospace, as we see on page number four of the presentation, was extremely solid, and we are happy to present. We have seen strong growth in sales, and what is, out of our view, more important is the concentration on the EBITDA, on the earnings, on the net income, and on the cash flow, which we will see also in the following pages to be strong and overproportional to the growth of sales.
As I said, good drive of the business is the development of the sales. Here we saw a solid growth of over 15% from first quarter 2024 in comparison to now, first quarter 2025, or if you compare it two years backwards, it is over 34%. Every year the same procedure, overproportional growth, and we are well in track to our guidance of a bit more than $1.6 billion for the full year 2025, which is $408.8 million on sales, which we generated in the first quarter. EBITDA, as we said, concentration on the results also by a good mix of customers where we were able to compensate and generate more sales and I would say also good market share with other new customers or newer customers.
Here in general, we were able not only to generate a good EBITDA, but also a strong development over the years. We see another growth of 32% from $36.7 million in the first quarter 2024 to $48.5 million in the first quarter 2025. If you compare it over the last two years, we see that we rose the EBITDA margin by a factor two from around 6% to now 12%, which is well in track with our guidance and also with our development. It is even a bit stronger than what we expected ourselves. We are happy about this development as we see that the concept of economies of scale, scaling up, a good mix of customers is working out well and that our products are mission-critical.
Important on the right-hand side of this page number four, we see net income, as I said, concentration on cash and income and earnings. We have seen in comparison to first quarter 2024, also here a strong growth, $5.3 million versus $2.7 million in the last year. Nevertheless, it was negatively impacted by a very, I would say, unfavorable development of the U.S. dollar mostly, or the FX in the first quarter 2025. We had an impact of almost $10 million only as non-cash impacts on the balance sheet, which are shown in the financial results. Otherwise, our net income would have been even stronger. I guess the development of what we see right now in the net income, in the earnings, EBITDA, and also in the sales is quite promising and gives us tailwind also for our guidances for 2025 and 2026.
If you flip to the next page, here we see on page number five, the development of the operating cash flow and the free cash flow. Every year the same procedure. First quarter of the year is typically the weakest one concerning the cash flow. Why? Because there is a seasonality concerning the earnings, the increase of the working capital, which we will see on the later pages. There is typically a large negative impact from financing of the working capital, which influences heavily over the cash flow in the first quarter. That is what we see also in 2025. Nevertheless, in comparison to last year, 2024, we see already a positive impact. In comparison to $15.8 million, now - $5.4 million operating cash flow is 3x better, if we may call it like that one.
Therefore, with the same or similar development ahead for the next quarters to be awaited, we look quite positive also into the future. Free cash flow, similar development. If you flip then to the next page, the impact from the cash flow is mostly driven by a good EBITDA, which we saw in the previous pages. On the other hand, the negative side by also an increase of the trade working capital. We expect strong sales in the second, third, and fourth quarter 2025. Also, I would say there are still some topics out of the strike of Boeing and expected higher build rates somewhere later this year, of course, impacted the need for inventory on our side. Therefore, you see in comparison to 2024, an increase in the trade working capital.
Of course, we also had an increase in sales, but in comparison also to sales, it rose slightly. The reason is we see some stronger sales ahead and, as I said, some impacts out of 2024, which influenced heavily the trade working capital. Net debt, nevertheless, crucial KPI out of our view, as we usually always envisage a cash flow strong business and a cash strong business, and therefore intend to reduce constantly the net debt level of the Montana Aerospace Group. Here we are on a good track. In comparison to the last year, same period, so Q1 2024, by approximately $70 million, a reduced net debt is shown right now is $252 million.
Saying that, I guess can summarize that for Montana Aerospace, we had a very strong, solid, slightly above expectations Q1 concerning sales, but mainly concerning the earnings, EBITDA, net income, and also cash flow. Small impacts out of the trade working capital, but by clear strategy. Saying that, I would like to hand over to Kai for giving you more details on page number seven and the following on AeroStructure segment and development there.
Thank you, Michael, and good afternoon. I hope everybody can hear me good. I'm in the parking slot of the supermarket, and I don't see the presentation. It is a little bit challenging today, but of course, I'm happy to be in the call and can answer all the questions, which hopefully come later. As you can see on page seven, this is the Q1 of the AeroStructures segment. From my point of view, it shows definitely the potential we have in this segment if the volume's kicking in. We had some stable demands in most of the programs, but in others, there was a lot of volatility in the demands from several programs, very unpredictable to plan for. This is also then reflected in the working capital, of course.
We expect that this is simply the, well, what is coming from the last years where we had, Michael mentioned it, the Boeing strike and some other topics. Also for Airbus, you see the deliveries by yourself. April was, again, for the big OEMs, not a real fantastic month. You see that in Airbus, they announced 56 deliveries. Boeing will be 40-ish, more or less on the level of the average of the first quarter, but not more. This gives us the challenge in terms of the following months to come, how to plan for it. This, as Michael said, is also reflected a little bit in the working capital, but we managed to bring this down, and we will see that over the next months to come that also here we hopefully then will have the impact from the good EBITDA into the cash conversion.
In numbers, if you compare Q1 2024 to Q1 2025, it's a 7% growth only, I like to say, because, of course, this is then again reflecting that the growth rates with the OEMs is not as big as maybe we saw it in the newspapers and the announcements. On the other side, the growth rate on the EBITDA from $29 million to $39 million is reflecting a 36% in terms of growth. Again, this is, from my point of view, showing how strong the company is if we get the volume, if we get some other businesses not only relying on the OEMs. Also, space is a very fast-growing market for us, and we are winning some good packages on this side. We had some NRC payments from the OEMs for several industrialization projects we are doing right now.
This is all reflected in this number, and again, is showing the potential of the AeroStructures segment. The outlook, and I guess there will be also some questions on the tariffs. This is, again, a very volatile discussion we have there with the global setup of the AeroStructures segment. Of course, there are very, very different impacts from the tariffs. For the moment, and as Michael said, I'm just coming from Seattle, there is definitely also a willingness from the OEMs to solve it for the supply chain. You can easily imagine we are talking about 10,000 suppliers having more or less the same problem. Somehow the OEMs have to step in and to balance it if there is any impact. From yesterday's discussions, I definitely think that there will be the support which we might need if there is no solution from the politicians.
That's good. In terms of the growth rates, deliveries, if we start talking about Boeing, then you can see that there is still the ceiling of the deliveries on the 737. Hopefully, in the next weeks or maybe months to come, the FAA will release this, and then, of course, the growth rates will come like announced by Boeing. I think they are in a pretty good shape operationally to fulfill everything to make this happen. For Airbus, it's more or less the same. We saw some impacts on the A350, for example, but overall, it's a stable growth and with winning more and more work packages with better margins, obviously, as you can see. I'm quite positive that we at least will make it to the guidance for this year. Yeah, that's so far from the AeroStructure segment, and I'm happy to answer questions after the presentation. Thank you.
Talking about AeroStructures, we flip to the next segment, which is the other segment, which is energy. In the energy segment, which we see on page number eight, we had again a growth, still a tailwind is driving the business. Limitations for more sales or EBITDA is only limited by the present capacity. Capacity is built or established and installed, but it takes some while, the four-year program, to increase the capacity accordingly to the market demand. What we see is, nevertheless, that every, I would say, kilogram of copper core products for the transformers and generators, which are needed by our customers worldwide, is sold. This is driving the business on the net sales basis from one year to another one by 15%, as we saw from 2024 to 2025, increasingly fast concerning the growth rates due to the ongoing installed new capacity.
Overproportionately, also shown in the EBITDA, this, I would say, ongoing development on the price increases, still on the partnership style together with the OEMs and our customers. This is then reflected by growth of the EBITDA by 25% or plus minus double the growth of sales on a yearly basis. For the energy segment, again, we tried to find a solution concerning more and more developing to a pure-play AeroStructures business. The strong development, of course, also from the energy segment helps to support the development of the total group. Talking about the two segments, we come to the guidance 2025 and also 2026.
We published this guidance already a couple of weeks or months ago, saying sales for the two segments, Montana Aerospace in total, slightly above $1.6 billion in total sales, adjusted EBITDA of over $200 million, and a fairly good net positive net income and the positive free cash flow, reduced net debt, and also a streamlined trade working capital. We stick to this guidance. There are, of course, in the meantime, challenges like tariffs, ongoing volatility of the OEM demands, still, I would say, issues concerning the supply chain, as already mentioned by Kai. On the other hand, big, big chances for us, more midterm than short term, but still, as we are one of those suppliers who is on a global scale, still local to local with entities in Asia, in Europe, and in the Americas.
This supports strongly together with our mission-critical performance in the meantime and products, our development. Therefore, we stick to the guidance 2025, and also for 2026, we reiterate the rough guidance of around $2 billion on total sales with around a bit more than $250 million adjusted EBITDA. Thank you for the attendance for this conference call. We would now come to the Q&A session where we are happy to try to give you the best possible answers to your questions. Saying that, I would hand over to the moderator.
Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their telephone. You will hear a tone to confirm that you have entered the queue. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two. Questioners on the phone are requested to disable the loudspeaker mode and eventually turn off the volume from the webcast while asking a question. Anyone who has a question may press star and one at this time. The first question is from Christian Bader, Zürcher Kantonalbank. Please go ahead.
Yes, good afternoon, gentlemen. Congratulations to these excellent numbers. I have two questions, and I'd like to do them one after the other. First of all, obviously, the EBITDA margin in AeroStructures was excellent and almost 4 percentage points ahead of last year. Last year, the EBITDA margin improved sequentially, and the full-year EBITDA margin 2024 was significantly higher than the first quarter of last year. I'm wondering, are we now able to model a similar improvement of EBITDA margin for the rest of the year? This is my first question.
I guess we split the answer.
Okay. Thank you for the wonderful question.
Yeah. I would start, and then I hand over to Kai directly to give you more insights. I'll start with the financial topics about it. In principle, there is a certain seasonality, not only from the build rates by the OEMs or the pool rates, which are more crucial for us, but also concerning certain price developments. For instance, also Kai mentioned NRCs, which are then booked in the third and the fourth quarter, which usually, therefore, the 20 years also seen in the last years or some price increases, which are in the meantime contracted. They are accounted then in the third and fourth quarter. Therefore, you see a development which is usually impacted by a strong EBITDA, absolute and also on relative margins level in the third and fourth quarter. Details on the driving force, the build rate, I would hand over, which is the main driver, I would hand over to Kai.
Yeah. Thank you, Michael. First of all, thank you very much for the comment. I mean, also we, of course, are proud for the results, and it's definitely a pleasure to present these numbers instead of having always the critical calls when there were crises from the OEMs downsized to us. That's better to report on this one. When it comes to the margins, of course, we have the ambition to at least stay on this level, but knowing that hopefully the volume will come back and the growth rates, which are announced by the big OEMs, will kick in. Mechanically, the cost absorption should give us another push on the margins. If it's very high, I don't dare to say, but as Michael said and I mentioned also, we had some extraordinary payments in the first three months of the year, which are reflected in the margins.
Of course, talking about NRC, then there is normally not the operations behind. This is mainly paid for the industrialization projects we had. On the other side, we won some quite nice new packages reflecting the. Can you still hear me? Yes.
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Okay. Because my car shut off. This is reflected then also in the EBITDA margins that we won some nice new packages in normal AeroStructures business, which are kicking in now. There are still some big, big calls for tenders with the OEMs. I hope that also in the coming years, the margin will at least stay on this amount so that we can definitely build that in our guidances for the years to come. I am quite positive that we have good chances even to increase the margins.
Okay. I think you mentioned some one-off payments for industrializations. Is it possible to quantify those, or how exceptional are those payments in the first quarter?
The business works in a way that you usually win a contract after investment or CapEx. CapEx already costs not only the CapEx, but it is usually also impacting some costs, which are then reducing the EBITDA. Once you have the contract, the industrialization starts. It is a process depending on the customer, the product, and in the end, some between 6 and 18 months. In the meantime, we are seen as, I think, a partner also for the OEMs. Therefore, a lot of this industrialization work is made into our hands and also paid. It means it is not a one-off, which you get and deposit. There is personnel expenses. There is a lot of industrialization work behind. This is only then invoiced to the customer and paid. It is kind of a cost absorption of what we have, or at least partly cost absorption of the industrialization.
I would not call it, therefore, one-offs, but therefore, it's not an impact. You have to calculate also for the guidance or for the calculation of the model for the next quarters somewhere as a one-off. It's only a partly compensation of the work, which is already done within these months.
Okay. So in terms of profitability for the AeroStructures business, is it fair to assume at least a steady margin for the next couple of quarters, at least the 18% that you achieved in the first quarter?
There will be maybe some ups and downs on a monthly basis, but on a quarterly, on a full-year range, we are quite positive to provide this one on a constant basis, yes.
I see. All right. Okay. That's clear. My second question has to do with some cash flow items. I saw in your quarterly report that you had a positive lease, so it was a lease repayment or something of $3.9 million in the quarter. I assume this is unusual, and let's say regular lease payments will come back from the second quarter. Can you maybe help me understand this number in the first quarter, please?
I can happily provide you. We had a negative. Take a look at the report. If you excuse me for a second to give you the detailed answer there. Usually, we have, of course, lease payments.
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If there is a prolongation of the lease payments or a change of the lease structure, of course, you have to adjust it. I do not have to explain you IFRS. I am sure you are much more familiar than me. Typically, those changes of long-term contracts then lead to a change of the lease amount in the P&L. Those prolongations and changes then impact in the lease structure what we have in the P&L.
Okay. So going forward, you do expect lease expenses or lease payments to return?
We have a normal level of lease payments on a quarterly level, and there's typically no major change.
Okay. All right. Thank you. That's it for me.
You're welcome. The one point which I would like to mention, if you look at the cash flow, at the result, is what I said already. The financial result, there is around a $10 million impact of non-cash FX impacts. That's something I mentioned when we went through the presentation.
Yes. Thank you.
Gentlemen, this was the last question. I would like to turn the conference back over to you for any closing remarks. Thank you.
Thank you very much for attending today's earnings call. We were proud, or we are proud and happy to provide those numbers. Everybody of the more than 7,500 people worked hard to achieve those numbers, and we do our best also to overachieve expectations in us for the next three quarters. They will be, again, challenging. That is what we count with. We are quite positive that at least we meet or even overachieve the expectations in us, and we will then hear each and see each other for the next quarterly earnings call. Thank you very much.
Ladies and gentlemen, the conference call is now over, and thank you for participating. You may now disconnect your lines. Goodbye.