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Earnings Call: Q1 2025

Aug 8, 2024

Operator

Good morning. My name is Sharon, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Andrew Peller Limited Q1 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you'd like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press the star and then number two. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Jennifer Smith, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Ms. Smith.

Jennifer Smith
Head of Investor Relations, Andrew Peller Limited

Thank you. Good morning. Before we begin, this is a reminder that during this conference call, management may make statements containing forward-looking information. This forward-looking information is based on a number of assumptions and is subject to a number of known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those disclosed or implied. Please refer to the company's earnings release, MD&A, and other security filings for additional information about these assumptions, risks, and uncertainties. I'll now turn things over to Paul Dubkowski, Chief Executive Officer.

Paul Dubkowski
CEO, Andrew Peller Limited

Thank you, Jen, and good morning to everyone on the call. It is great to be here, and we do apologize for the slight delay with Cision. I am very pleased to address you for the first time since I assumed the role of Chief Executive Officer last month. At the same time, Patrick O'Brien was named President and Chief Commercial Officer. Unfortunately, due to travel delays, Patrick is unable to join us today, but will be on future calls. I am happy to be joined today by Renee Cauchi, our Controller. I would like to start by recognizing John for his over 30 years as CEO. Not only has John been an inspirational leader for our business and our employees, but a committed advocate for the industry and the communities we operate in.

As we outlined in our press release last month, John is continuing to serve the company in a strategic consulting role and remains on the board of directors. I'd also like to thank the board of directors and the Peller family for entrusting me with the leadership of the company. As the new CEO, I look forward to building on the company's strong foundation, established over the last 64 years, and will continue to focus on building a winning team with a commitment to driving profitability and shareholder value. I will do a review of the financial and operational highlights of the quarter, address other key business matters, and then open the call for any questions. Moving on to Q1, I will start by saying, like most other businesses, we are operating in a challenging economic period of elevated interest rates and ongoing stubborn inflation.

While conditions are beginning to improve, and we expect that to continue over time, we are seeing ongoing pressure on consumers' wallets and some trade-down in terms of spend. With that being said, we are pleased to report our operating results were largely consistent year-over-year, as our significant work on cost savings initiatives and operational efficiencies enabled us to generate solid EBITDA performance through a period of expected softer market conditions. Sales in the first quarter of fiscal 2025 decreased CAD $1 million or 1% year-over-year to CAD $99.5 million. We saw solid performance from sales to provincial liquor boards, restaurants, and hospitality locations, as well as sales from our personal winemaking business. These results were further supported by the new revised Ontario VQA, VQA Support Program, announced in December 2023 and further explained in our disclosure materials.

Offsetting these positive trends, we experienced softness in sales from the estates and wine clubs due to lower guest traffic and reduced consumer discretionary spending, an impact that has been felt across the retail segment and the wine industry. Overall, the breadth of our brand portfolio and sales channels allowed us to mitigate the impact of these softening conditions and continue to meet the evolving tastes and preferences of our consumers. Through this period, we've been able to achieve above-category performance and improve our market position nationally in both VQA and ICB wines. As an example, we have seen continued strength in our healthier for you Honest Lot brand, zero sugar offering across several varietals.

Our owned imports under the Neon Coast and Omé brands have performed well since launch, and our domestic VQA sparkling offerings across the Gretzky, Peller, and Trius brands are up double-digit year-over-year. Moving to margins. Margin in the first quarter of fiscal 2025 ended at CAD 38.2 million, down CAD 849,000 or 2.2% from CAD 39 million in the prior year. Margin as a percentage of sales was 38.4%, slightly down compared to the prior year at 38.8%. Margins were impacted by reduced sales in high-margin channels, such as the estates and wine clubs, as well as continued cost pressures on raw materials and international freight and shipping charges.

These impacts were largely offset by our production efficiency and cost savings programs that were implemented over the last year and continue. Looking ahead, we are confident these cost savings measures and production efficiency programs, combined with additional reductions in our cost inputs, are sustainable elements that will positively impact our margins in the long term. Selling and administrative expenses landed at CAD 25.3 million for the quarter, down 1 million or 3.8% to the prior year. As a percentage of sales, expenses were 25.5% in the quarter, down from 26.2% in the prior year, due primarily to compensation optimization at our retail stores and estate wineries and rationalization of marketing spend in line with current market conditions. EBITDA landed at CAD 12.9 million in the quarter, up from CAD 12.7 million last year.

We are confident that the cost savings and productive labor efficiency work we have undertaken will continue to protect our bottom-line results while we continue to manage the impact of the challenging economic environment... Turning to our balance sheet at the end of the quarter, inventory was CAD 176.5 million, versus CAD 192.5 million at the end of fiscal 2024, as we continue our focus on working capital. Total debt was CAD 207.3 million, down from CAD 208.3 million at the end of fiscal 2024, and there was capacity in our revolving credit facility of approximately CAD 67 million, with shareholders' equity landing at CAD 5.50 per share.

For the quarter, we generated CAD 15.3 million in cash from operations, compared to CAD 13.7 million last year, largely due to improvements in working capital, and our net cash debt position improved by CAD 6 million. Moving on to some other business matters. As reported, the Okanagan Valley and surrounding areas experienced a significant freeze winter event in January 2024, in addition to the winter event in December 2022, that has resulted in significant crop damage across the valley, as reported, which will have an impact on some VQA supply moving forward. As discussed in previous quarters, the industry has continued to work with the British Columbia Ministry of Agriculture and the Ministry of Finance to develop policies for replacing the 2022, 2023, and 2024 vintage and replanting damaged vineyards to help support the industry long-term.

At the end of July, the BC government confirmed temporary financial support for wineries, bringing in replacement wine to help protect jobs and ensure the BC wine industry remains viable and strong. We've developed several sourcing opportunities to offset the volume shortage, and we will be able to use our scale and size to source grapes and/or wine from other regions, including the U.S. and Ontario. Our sourcing plan and the commitment of the government should allow us to keep a largely consistent amount of wine on shelf and mitigate any economic impact. We're also focused on replanting over the next two years in the Okanagan Valley. We expect to receive both insurance and government support to help with the capital costs of the replant program and offset some of the costs of rehabilitating our vineyards. Shifting to the Ontario retail environment.

As previously disclosed, the Ontario provincial government has accelerated its plan to expand retail distribution points for the sale of beverage alcohol. As we work with government and industry partners on understanding the full rollout of the program, we continue to be encouraged by the government's efforts to help strengthen and grow the wine industry in Ontario. A focus on a strong and competitive marketplace for Ontario-produced and manufactured products will benefit all stakeholders, including the regions and communities we operate in. With the changes currently in progress and expected, our team is engaged and committed to ensuring we win in a highly competitive landscape with the increased distribution. Moving on to the recent LCBO strike. As many of you are aware, the LCBO was on strike for two weeks in July.

As the LCBO is a key distribution partner for us, and July is a high-volume period in the summer period, our team quickly mobilized to ensure we could meet consumer demands during the strike period. With a focus on increasing shipments and availability of our product at our Wine Shop stores and increased availability through our estates and online channels, we were able to meet our consumers' needs and protect the revenue profitability of the business. We will provide more detail when we release our Q2 results. And finally, moving on to Port Moody, our development land for sale in BC. We continue to work closely with our consulting and real estate partners in the region, with the goal to sell the property in the next 12 months.

While conditions for sale have been challenging, with elevated interest rates and high construction costs and a changing Lower Mainland BC real estate environment, the property remains highly valuable, and as conditions continue to improve, we remain confident in the sale of the property within the timelines noted. Additionally, during the quarter, we completed some tax planning initiatives to crystallize a portion of the capital gain in APL on the property to take advantage of the 50% capital gain inclusion rate that was increased to 66.7% in July. We will provide further updates related to Port Moody in future quarterly releases. So in summary, I'd like to close by saying that I am energized and motivated as the new CEO at Andrew Peller. We will continue to be adaptable in a changing economic and industry environment.

In the near term, we will remain focused on building market share and protecting growth, continuing our margin recovery, increasing cash generation, and lowering our debt levels to create capacity for growth and to drive shareholder value. Our portfolio is well positioned to meet our customers where they want to shop, as evidenced by our strong relative performance over the last 12 months. We remain focused on our key brands while also introducing new products within our core wine segment and other growth categories and building on our company's history of innovation. These revenue initiatives, in addition to a focus on cost savings and profitability, will help drive margin and EBIT expansion as we move forward. To finish, I'd like to thank our Andrew Peller teammates for their passion and commitment to our customers and our culture. Our success is made possible by their dedication and efforts.

Thank you, and I'll turn it back to the operator for any questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to decline from the polling process, please press the star followed by the two. If you're using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. First question comes from Megan Bergen with Acumen.

Maegan Bergen
Analyst, Acumen Capital Partners

Hi there. This is Megan on the line for Nick. We saw that you noted that estate wineries were an area of softness in the quarter. Can you comment on how traffic has been in the second quarter?

Paul Dubkowski
CEO, Andrew Peller Limited

Yeah, happy to and nice to connect, Megan. Yeah, so we have the estates both in the Okanagan and the Niagara region, as I assume most people know. I think, you know, we are happy to report that we have been seeing some stabilization in the Ontario region in terms of both traffic and spend, after some declines last year post the kind of COVID boom of domestic travel. So we are, you know, we have been, you know, quite happy with what we've been seeing in Ontario. I'd say there's, you know, still, you know, still slightly down, but it's largely recovered, and you know, we're optimistic, given the, you know, size and significance of the population and the growth, you know, within that two-hour commute of the Niagara region. The West still remains challenged.

And so we are seeing kind of, you know, high single digits, low double digits declines in terms of traffic. And that is, you know, due to a variety of factors. I mean, obviously, there's the residual impact of the fires from last year. You know, there are some travel restrictions, you know, in kind of the BC interior, and while it's not impacting Kelowna where we operate currently, I think it does impact some, you know, people's choices to travel to the region. And then I think on top of that, there's obviously the pressures of, you know, the economy and, you know, less spend in people's wallets. So, you know, net-net, we're quite positive on Ontario. We're seeing a nice rebound, and we're hoping to continue that momentum.

With the Okanagan, it's a little softer than we had hoped and anticipated. But it is such a world-class travel destination, you know, from both a domestic and international standpoint. We're confident in the recovery there, and it, you know, it just might kind of blend out over the rest of this year and into the start of next year.

Maegan Bergen
Analyst, Acumen Capital Partners

Great. Thank you. We also had a question on the Ontario government with the expanded distribution of alcohol starting in the fall. Do you have any additional comments on the rollout of this?

Paul Dubkowski
CEO, Andrew Peller Limited

We're still working through kind of final details. Obviously, you know, this is happening quite quickly. You know, we're very pleased to, you know, to be working with our industry partners in government, and we can see, you know, a true commitment to the Ontario wine industry and growing that industry, domestically. So, you know, we're positive about the path forward, but we're still working through some of those final details. So not only from a rollout standpoint, but also from a kind of go-to-market strategy from an organization standpoint. But as I mentioned earlier, our internal teams are laser-focused on making sure that, you know, we're ready for this rollout, that we're at the table as the expansion occurs, and that we're able to win in that environment.

So we'll be able to provide some further detail as we move forward, but, you know, it both represents an opportunity and a challenge, given the size and scale of the increase and the speed at which it's happening.

Maegan Bergen
Analyst, Acumen Capital Partners

Okay, perfect. And my final question is just to do with Port Moody. Do you have any additional details on that and kind of the plans for the rest of the year?

Paul Dubkowski
CEO, Andrew Peller Limited

No. I mean, I think, I think I mentioned it in my remarks. We're, you know, we're sitting on a, a great piece of property there, a highly valuable piece of property. You know, and it's not core to our operations, so we're, we're in, you know, the active stage of looking to sell it and have been, for some time now. You know, with interest rates starting to drop, it's gonna start improving the climate for the sale of that property. Obviously, construction costs remain stubbornly high still, and there is some changes happening in just the kind of real estate policy around the region. So we're working through all of that, but we, you know, we have great partners at the table, both from a consulting lens. We've had, good interest in the property from developers in the region.

We're in active conversations and are still looking to sell the property within the next 12 months, as we've spoken about.

Maegan Bergen
Analyst, Acumen Capital Partners

Great. Thank you. Those are all my questions.

Paul Dubkowski
CEO, Andrew Peller Limited

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your touch-tone phone. Once again, that's star one to ask a question. And we do have a question from Chris Li with Desjardins Securities. Please go ahead.

Chris Li
Analyst, Desjardins Securities

Yeah, good morning, gentlemen. I had a question about your accounting. Do you have any plans, you know, to have a little bit more disclosure, you know, from an accounting standpoint? Just, you know, any changes you've got planned, you know, from breaking out-

Paul Dubkowski
CEO, Andrew Peller Limited

Yeah, Chris, just confirming, because it was a little blurry. I mean, additional disclosure?

Chris Li
Analyst, Desjardins Securities

On your accounting, yeah.

Paul Dubkowski
CEO, Andrew Peller Limited

Yes. That is something we're looking at. One of the things, you know, Renee and I have discussed is just, you know, the, you know, we're constantly reviewing our level of disclosure, disclosure and, you know, ensuring that it meets the needs of our investors and prospective investors. So that is something we're looking at, and generally, we make those changes as we approach year-end. So, you know, we are aware of that. We've had some questions around it, and we'll continue to evaluate it.

Chris Li
Analyst, Desjardins Securities

Thank you. Thanks.

Operator

Once again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star, then the number one on your touch-tone phone. We do not have any questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to Mr. Dubkowski for closing comments.

Paul Dubkowski
CEO, Andrew Peller Limited

Thank you. As I mentioned in my remarks, I am extremely excited to be in the CEO chair here at Andrew Peller. I am surrounded by a fantastic group of teammates that are focused on supporting each other and building, you know, shareholder wealth for our shareholders. And you know, we're really excited about the future and the rest of the year. So thank you for everybody's time today, and have a great day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call for today. We thank you for participating, and we ask that you please disconnect your lines.

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