[Foreign language] Boralex. [Foreign language] Camille Laventure, [Foreign language] Boralex, [Foreign language] [Foreign language] Stéphane Milot, [Foreign language] Boralex.
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Boralex Fourth Quarter and Fiscal 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. Please note that all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session in which financial analysts, shareholders, and investors will be invited to ask their questions by pressing star one and one on their telephone. Please also note that this conference call is being recorded. For webcast participants, you can also ask questions during the call, but they will be answered by email after the call. Finally, media representatives are invited to contact Camille Laventure, Senior Advisor, Public Affairs and External Communications at Boralex. Her contact information is provided at the end of the quarterly press release. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Stéphane Milot, Vice-President Investor Relations for Boralex. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Operator. [Foreign language] . Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Boralex Fourth Quarter and Year-End Results Conference Call. So, joining me today on the call, Patrick Decostre, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Bruno Guilmette, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and other members of our management and finance teams. Mr. Decostre will begin with comments about market conditions and the highlights of the quarter. Afterward, Mr. Guilmette will carry on with financial highlights, and then we will be able to answer your questions. As you know, during this call, we will discuss historical as well as forward-looking information. When talking about the future, there are a variety of risk factors that have been listed in our different filings with securities regulators, which can materially change our estimated results. These documents are all available for consultation at SEDAR+.ca.
In our webcast presentation document, the disclosed results are presented both on a consolidated basis and on a combined basis. When talking about the results, we generally refer to combined numbers, and when referring to cash flow and balance sheet, we generally refer to consolidated numbers. So please note that combined is a non-GAAP financial measure and does not have standardized meaning under the IFRS. Accordingly, combined may not be comparable to similarly named measures used by other companies. So for more details, see the non-IFRS and other financial measures section in the MD&A. So the press release, the MD&A, consolidated financial statement, and a copy of today's presentation are all posted on the Boralex website at boralex.com under the Investors link. If you wish to receive a copy of these documents, please contact me. So Mr. Decostre will now start with his comments. Please go ahead, Patrick.
Thank you, Stéphane, and good morning, everyone. It's a pleasure for me to present our results and achievements for the Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2024. In an environment with a lot of noise, we stayed focused on the execution of our plan in the past year, creating value in our four key geographies: Canada, the U.K., the U.S., and France. We have developed strong expertise and competitive advantages in this region, and we will continue to capitalize on our project pipeline to produce cost-competitive renewable energy at rates of returns in line with our objectives and market expectations. We closed a record CAD 1.2 billion in long-term financing, including bridge loans for federal Investment Tax Credit in Canada for our projects under construction. We continue to optimize all aspects of our business, and we maintain a very solid financial position.
Recent acquisitions of public companies by private investors show that the value of renewable companies remains strong, driven by the increasing demand for electricity in many regions. In terms of financial performance, overall, for the fiscal year 2024, combined production was 2% lower than in 2023 and 8% below anticipated production. Wind conditions in France and, to a lesser extent, in Canada have been weaker than expected for a good part of the year. Our diversification in the U.S. helped us in 2024, with wind conditions in this region being higher than expected. As a result, our financial performance in 2024 is below our expectations, with a combined operating income of CAD 267 million and a combined EBITDA of CAD 670 million, down 1% from 2023. Bruno will cover later in more detail our Fourth Quarter results.
During the year 2024, we made good progress on the construction of our Limekiln project in Scotland and our Apuiat project in Quebec. I'm very pleased to announce that Limekiln is connected to the grid after a small delay from the grid operator in Scotland. The project is now successfully going through the testing phase and should be fully commissioned beginning of April. The commencement of operations at our first wind farm in Scotland marks a significant milestone for Boralex. I would like to acknowledge our team's efforts and accomplishments over the past years. Starting in 2025, we will benefit from increased revenue and cash flow diversification. During the last quarter of 2024, we also closed the acquisition of a 50% participation in Clashindarroch Extension Project, a 145 MW wind project under development, and the adjacent 50 MW battery project located in Scotland.
Our U.K. team already has extensive experience in this area and is looking forward to bringing Clashindarroch through the remaining stages of development. Finally, we are preparing ourselves to submit bids in the AR7 RFP later this year. Regarding the construction of our Apuiat project in Quebec, we have faced some difficulties on-site with one of our contractors, which, combined with harsh winter conditions, delayed the COD by a few months. This experience enabled us to reinforce our project management and controls for upcoming projects. In particular, our Des Neiges Sud wind project, for which commissioning is scheduled in 2026, will benefit from our learnings. It entered the construction phase with the start of on-site work for roads leading to the base of the turbines.
In Ontario, the construction of our two battery storage projects, Hagersville and Tilbury, is advancing as planned, with commissioning scheduled by the end of this year. We announced the financing of both projects during the last quarter of the year on very good terms, including bridge loans to finance the investment tax credits to which the projects are eligible. Finally, on the development side, 2024 was a very good year for Boralex. Our portfolio of projects under development and Growth Path is now totaling over eight gigawatts in high-growth potential markets, a 1.2 GW increase over 2023. I would like now to cover market conditions by region, starting with the United States, where there is a lot of uncertainty on potential policy changes.
So far, the executive orders that were signed by the new U.S. administration have no direct impact on our operations, and we don't expect major changes in law that would affect our activities, but we remain vigilant. As electricity demand in the United States is increasing, mainly driven by growth in U.S. manufacturing and the expansion of data centers, we believe overall that this situation could even bring opportunities and that we need to stay focused on our long-term strategy. In Canada, Quebec and Ontario remain strong potential growth markets for Boralex. We are in discussions with Hydro-Québec about partnerships for large projects as well as RFPs to come for smaller projects. We are well-positioned in this market with strong local expertise and good relationships with First Nations and communities.
Our three 400 MW projects in partnership with Hydro-Québec and Énergir, Des Neiges South, Charlevoix, and Des Neiges West are very good examples of how Hydro-Québec would like to develop large projects going forward. In Ontario, the government has increased the target for additional capacity from five gigawatts to 7.5 gigawatts by 2034 to meet soaring energy demand. In 2024, with the selection of the Oxford Battery Storage Project, we consolidated our position as a leading developer in the battery storage technology in Ontario. Our team there is now building a pipeline of wind projects to be ready for the upcoming rounds of RFPs. In Europe, the Labour Party's election in the U.K. is very promising for the renewable energy sector.
The government objective over the next five years is to double the onshore wind capacity from 14 to 28 GW and increase battery storage installed capacity by five times from five to 25 GW , along with significant investments in the modernization and expansion of the electrical grid. I will now rapidly cover the main variances in our portfolio. In 2024, the pipeline of development projects increased by over 1.1 GW , totaling 7 GW . The pipeline change was a result of the addition of wind, solar, and storage projects in Europe and North America in the early stage for roughly 1.8 GW , and the transition of projects to the mid-advanced and secured stage in Europe and North America. The Growth Path now consists of nearly one gigawatt of wind, solar, and battery storage projects.
The evolution of the gross assets mainly included the transition of two storage projects and one wind project in North America to the under-construction or ready-to-build stage, the commissioning of three wind projects and one solar project in Europe for 84 MW . I have already talked about our major achievements in line with our strategic directions and long-term objectives, but you can find additional details in the slides of the webcast and in our MD&A. This completes my part. I will now let Bruno cover the financial portion in more detail, and we'll be back later for the question period. Bruno?
Thank you, Patrick. Good morning, everyone. I will start with the financial highlights of the quarter. Total combined production was down 11% compared to the same quarter last year and 12% lower than anticipated due to unfavorable weather conditions in France and, to a lesser extent, in Canada when comparing to anticipated production. As a result, our combined EBITDA amounted to CAD 191 million, down CAD 38 million, and consolidated AFFO amounted to CAD 47 million, down CAD 44 million, compared to the fourth quarter of 2023. I will now review the progress made in the past four years in light of our 2025 corporate objectives. First, our installed capacity went from 2.2 GW in 2020 to 3.2 GW at the end of 2024. 2024 operating income and EBITDA are comparable to 2023 levels. Our reinvestment ratio is in line with our 50% to 70% target at 57%.
We are more than ever focused on the disciplined execution of our plan in this growth environment. As we are making good progress on organic growth with over 0.7 GW of capacity under construction, the current gap to meet our 2025 targets is mainly attributable to M&A assumptions embedded in our targets, for which we have so far not found the appropriate targets and will only do if it meets our investment guidelines. In other words, we will continue to grow with discipline. Total debt increased in 2024 to CAD 4 billion, with project debt now representing 89%. I would like to congratulate our finance team for securing CAD 1.2 billion in financing in 2024. This achievement highlights our capability to close sophisticated financings on optimal terms, providing enhanced financial flexibility to achieve our objectives.
I'll now provide more detailed information on our financial results for the fourth quarter, starting with production.
In North America, total combined production for the quarter was 3% higher than the same quarter last year, but 5% lower than anticipated. Production from wind assets in North America was 9% higher compared to the same quarter last year, but 2% lower than anticipated. Production for the hydro sector was 30% lower than last year and 23% lower than anticipated due to unfavorable weather conditions in both Canada and the U.S. Production from solar assets in the United States was 4% higher than the same quarter last year, but 13% lower than anticipated. In Europe, total production was 29% lower compared to the same quarter last year and 23% lower than anticipated, mainly attributable to unfavorable wind conditions in France.
As mentioned earlier, the decrease in production affected our revenues, EBITDA, and AFFO, which were compensated in part by the contribution of new commissioned sites in France and our commercial strategy optimization. In conclusion, 2024 was a year of growth for Boralex as we continue to develop and execute our projects in our target markets, maintaining a solid balance sheet and good financial flexibility. Looking ahead, we are very excited for the year to come, starting strong with the commissioning of our projects Limekiln in Scotland and Apuiat in Quebec, and the construction of our battery storage projects in Ontario. We are also looking forward to presenting our new strategic plan 2025 to 2030 in the upcoming months. We will continue to be ambitious in our growth and diversification strategies while creating optionality in our capital allocation.
In addition to securing optimized financing, we will be more proactive on asset recycling. We are also initiating a share buyback program as we believe our current stock price does not reflect the proper long-term value of our company. Thank you for your attention. We are now ready to take your questions.
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Thank you. Stéphane, can you hear me? Yes.
How are you doing?
Oh, very good. Very well.
Good. Sorry for that.
No, no worries. You talked about the private equity activity that we saw in Quebec recently. I'm wondering, does this have any impact on your view of the competitive landscape in Quebec and your future opportunities for investment in that province?
Yeah. Good morning, Rupert. What I think, the first point is the recent transaction is providing Hydro-Québec more independence since they are no longer shareholders of our competitor, Innergex. With that, the demand is very, very important in Quebec. Hydro-Québec needs the participation of all the players to realize its plan on time. As I mentioned in my speech, I think Boralex is well positioned because we are the only one with experience of partnership in large wind projects with Hydro-Québec and Énergir under construction, and finally, the competition will make us better, but we're used to that.
Very good. And a follow-up on the private equity valuations. Bruno, you highlighted that you could look to accelerate some asset recycling. I'm wondering, where do you think are the best opportunities for recycling in Boralex's portfolio?
Yeah. Hi, Rupert. There's a few, and we're looking a few years ahead in making sure that we plan these in advance, as you understand. We always look to recycle assets when we've created some value and that we can have, for example, financial investors join us, as we previously did very successfully in France selling down 30%. And so if you, for example, we've talked about the possibility in the execution currently, we're looking to sell down or sell completely our hydro assets, which is something that makes sense from a valuation perspective at this time from our perspective.
And there's additional elements in the portfolio that we're looking at in the future once we've created value, once we've, for example, built the asset and created some value where our teams can create value and have partial sell downs. So in some cases, it's going to be complete sell. In some cases, it's going to be partial sell downs.
All right. Very good. I'll leave it there and get back in the queue. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Sean Steuart from TD Cowen. Please ask a question. Your line is open.
Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Bruno, wondering if you can comment on your overall comfort with available liquidity and appreciate that this could be augmented by asset recycling. But when you're looking at the development pipeline over the next couple of years and, I guess, buyback ambitions with the NCIB in place now, comfort with the current funding position relative to those demands on capital over the next couple of years?
Yeah. Hi, Sean. Thank you. We're very comfortable with the financial flexibility that we have today with over CAD 500 million, CAD 523 million financial availability. Looking forward a year or two, we're very comfortable when we execute our plan. We've included some and been successful so far in bridge financing some of the ITCs. There will be further bridge financings for those ITCs. So we're quite comfortable for the looking forward 12 to 24 months in our ability to use and to fund our growth. As I always say, that doesn't include M&A because M&A is unpredictable in size and timing. But certainly, for the growth pipeline, we're quite comfortable with that position.
And the asset recycling valuation, I think you've seen evidence this week that private investors are looking at the long-term value of these types of assets and are seeing significant additional value than the public markets is currently showing in our stock price. So we're confident [crosstalk] in the a dditional value.
Understood. And can you speak to perception of underlying value in your share price right now? And it's a 10% buyback you're putting in place here. Perceived value in your shares versus opportunities for organic growth, what that sort of spread looks like?
Yeah. I think it's a, I mean, it's a capital allocation decision. The share buyback program is a tool that was missing in our toolbox. We'll continue to invest, and my answer, I think, points to that we have the financial flexibility to also invest in our program and do the share buyback program in and when we feel it's appropriate because we currently believe that our stock price is undervalued, and we want to use that program to give the right signal to the market that we're very confident in our growth, but it's additional capital allocation, so as we see a good return on buying back some of our shares, and we also have a deep pipeline of projects on which we see also very good returns, so we'll continue to invest significantly in our projects.
The share buyback program is just an additional tool that we'll use efficiently.
Okay. Understood. That's all I have for now. Thank you.
Thank you.
We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Nicholas Boychuk from Cormark Securities. Please ask your question.
Thanks. Good morning, guys. On the Apuiat construction issues in the harsh winter delays, can you please expand a little bit on what happened there and why Des Neiges will benefit from whatever learnings you're taking from that project?
Yes. Good morning, Nicola. Essentially, there was a delay for the erection of the turbine and the finalization of what we call the mechanical completion. And then this is a period where you have costs running because you have cranes on site and people on site. So as I mentioned, we have difficulties with one contractor. So we put other support from our internal team and also external support. And the things are going better now. We have 31 turbines erected on 34. We are finalizing mechanical completion. And that's where we are. So you know that we experienced in Quebec a very, very tough winter with deep snow and freezing rain in December. So that lasts for the last three months. So that's where we are. We know how to finalize the thing. And the team is looking to that.
The second point on your question is how do we estimate and go deeply into the risk of the project before and the evaluation of the different risks that can happen in the project? We did that, but we could do better. And that's what we are doing for the other project, Des Neiges typically, but also all the other projects that we have presently.
Okay. Understood. Thanks. We've also talked previously in the past about M&A possibly contributing to some of the gap that you might have in the organic capacity you're looking to add relative to the 2025 target of hopefully having 4,500 or 4,400 MW of operating capacity. Do you guys have anything in your sights right now, especially given that you might be selling some hydro assets to tackle all of that or make a material acquisition?
Yeah. I don't want to be too specific on targets, but generally, you've seen that. So we are active in the U.K. on the M&A front, growing that business and that market more quickly. So geographically, that's a key market where we're looking at to do more M&A. The U.S. could be a target, certainly in the medium term. And that's where we're looking at different types of assets, but also teams and types of strategies to complement what we already have in those markets. So we want to grow these markets more quickly by adding, for example, teams in the U.S. or some assets in the U.K., for example.
Perfect. Thanks, Bruno. And the last from me just on the investment-grade credit rating. I know you've been seeking that for a while, and I appreciate the challenges in receiving that. Is there any update on when that might come? And given the delay, have there been any financial objectives you've been looking to do that you haven't been able to because you're waiting for that and therefore things you would want to do right away as soon as you get it?
It's an interesting question. So we've essentially looked and put certainly quite some time on the rating decision, I would say, because we've decided to delay that after having some discussions because it was certainly putting a constraint on our growth and the ability to allocate our capital in the most efficient way, and to answer your question, we have not seen any limitation in our financing by not having the credit rating. So to me, the importance of the credit rating is to get eventually more benefits, but those benefits we already have today with the balance sheet recognition by our financial partners. We've seen the results of our CAD 1.2 billion financings in 2024 at very good terms, so we continue to be able and, for example, on the battery storage financings, these were the largest financings of storage in Canada.
So certainly, you've seen that we're able to continue to fund our growth without the investment-grade rating. The investment-grade was putting constraint. And we'll continue to reach for that, but probably delay that by two, three years.
Okay. Understood. Thank you, guys.
We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the next questions come from the line of Mark Jarvi from CIBC. Please ask your question.
Yeah. Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Bruno, I just want to follow up some more on the asset recycling commentary. How would you say those views have evolved over the last couple of quarters in terms of how firm of a plan you want to put in front of investors? Is there potential for sort of an asset rotation target like some other renewable companies put out there to try to show confidence to the market around different funding options and runway for growth over the next couple of years?
Mark, I'll go first. I certainly will consider that in our presentation, as we said, in Investor Day upcoming in the next few months. We certainly have a clear plan of the criteria when we want to sell down assets, the valuations that we see in those assets, whether, as I said, it be partial divestitures or complete divestitures. We can certainly give you more color on that at the Investor Day. We have strong confidence in the additional value that we can extract from some of our assets at the right timing. We'll put that on our key punch list for the Investor Day.
For example, on the hydro assets, would you have already had some sort of indicative sense from either potential buyers around valuations on those assets? I'm just trying to understand how much confidence at this point you could put forward in terms around where you think proceeds could come in over the next couple of years.
Yeah. Well, we can certainly, and I'm sure you can as well, look at comps, look at recent transactions. Hydro assets are in demand, and as I said, we started a process. We have early indications at this point, but we're quite confident in the possibility to obtain a significant value out of those assets.
Sounds good. Maybe the next question is for maybe both of you, actually. Just in terms of the announcement this week and kind of sitting there now, on your side, there's not that many other public companies out there. The question around scale comes up. When you think about minority asset sales or different types of partnerships, is there anything else that starts to change your view in terms of what you would maybe want from a partner, from optionality around different things and the ability to do different things on procurement? So just curious in terms of spreading asset sales across a number of partnerships versus starting to think about maybe more of a strategic alignment with one partner going forward.
Yeah. Hi, Mark. The first thing, the transaction reflects the strong value of renewable energy companies and the fact that the stock are too low in the sector presently. The demand is high, so the returns are interesting. And the private investors who are sophisticated understand this value. That was the case with EIP in France. That is the case in this situation and in other situations during the last 24 months. So does that change for us significantly? The answer is we are always evaluating the right way to reduce our cost of capital, being nimble to do the project, have the financing. We are aligned as management also to do the best for the shareholders of the company and for the clients and the partners. So there are different options of partnership. And I would not say no to a global option also.
Okay. All right. Thanks.
We are now going to proceed with.
Thank you, Mark.
We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Nelson Ng from RBC Capital Markets. Please ask your question.
Great. Thanks. First question is just more of a clarification on the NCIB. So you obviously haven't been too active on buybacks in the past. Do you see your NCIB as being something that you will definitely use and you've set an internal target to repurchase a certain number of shares, or is this more of, I guess, an option where you could potentially buy back some shares if the shares stay at the current level or fall below a level?
Hi, Nelson. Thank you. We can certainly say yes to both. It's an option that we'll definitely use. So this is not something theoretical. This is something we're putting in place. And as I said, I would believe that our stock price is undervalued. We'll continue to execute our plan to make sure that we demonstrate to the market that there are different valuation creations that we can do through our growth plan. And we'll continue to do that and execute. But also, we'll use that additional tool, which can provide a good return to our shareholders.
Okay. Great. That's clear. And then the second question is relating to the Growth Path. So there are, I think, 243 MW in the secured projects. How much of that do you guys see falling into 2026, or are they mostly 2027 projects? I think that the big one there is Des Neiges Charlevoix. Is that more of a 2027 project?
Yeah. Hi, Nelson. Des Neiges Charlevoix is a 2027 project. And we expect that another one I mentioned, which is called Des Neiges West, will be a 2028 project. And the Oxford project, which is not secured yet but near to be secured, it's 125 MW battery storage in Ontario, is also a 2027 project.
And then we have the Apuiat and Arthabaska project, which also will proceed in time. And after that, it's going to be the U.K. eventually if we get something out of the next RFP. But this is longer term. So it's not in our Growth Path right now.
Okay. So 27 and 28 are filling up nicely. And then just one other question I had was on project costs. Obviously, for Apuiat, you had some construction delays and some cost issues. But from a, I guess, average cost per megawatt perspective, I think Apuiat is about CAD 3.8 million per megawatt from a construction perspective. The Des Neiges Sud project is closer to, I think it's like CAD 2.4 million per megawatt. Obviously, they're located in different parts of Quebec. But have you recently seen the cost of projects come down significantly, or is it just that the Des Neiges project, there's large economies of scale over there?
Certainly, the Apuiat project is in a different region. I think, as you pointed out, it's more difficult conditions. We've had, as Patrick mentioned, we've had some timing and weather difficult conditions. That will make it a bit more expensive than the average project. Des Neiges is an extension in a region where we already have some assets. I think that makes a difference. There's transport [audio distortion] is a more remote region. It increases our BOP costs and our transportation costs, among others.
Okay. That makes sense. And then just last one. I'm sure everyone loves to talk about tariffs. So the two Ontario projects, Hagersville and Tilbury, that are expected to be completed at the end of this year, are all the battery I guess. First of all, are you sourcing batteries from the U.S.? And if so, are they already on site? And do you need to source anything else from the U.S.? And can you just comment about any potential risks of tariffs being in effect?
In on the Hagersville and Tilbury project, we made all the analysis on the tariff risk. It's a Tesla batteries, but they are already on site indeed or near to come. So very, very, very limited potential impact, very negligible. We're doing that on all the projects that we have, and there is, as you know, for all companies, a lot of noise around this, but we're doing with our risk management team lots of different scenarios to see how we can protect us if there is tariff or retaliation and everything we can imagine, but we're doing this job specifically on the project under construction, but also the project that will come to FID in the next months.
Okay. Great. Thank you. I'll leave it there.
Thank you.
We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Robert Hope from Scotiabank. Please ask a question. Your line is opened.
Good morning, everyone. Just one question for me. So you highlighted kind of the discrepancy between the private and public valuations out there. But I guess more specifically, how are development pipelines being valued versus operating assets? And if there is a discount on U.S. development pipelines, does this provide an opportunity to accelerate your growth in that region, whether it's on the wind and/or solar side?
Yeah. Good morning, Rob. Clearly, in my view, I think you know that the pipeline today in the stock price, there is no value on it. That's clear. Just to remind all you and all your colleagues, that's the first point. The second point is there are clearly opportunities in different markets. We closed some transactions in the U.K. There are certainly opportunities in the U.S., and we're looking to that like we did with Infinergy three years ago. And all the partners are still there. We consolidate the company there. A similar size of team and project platform could be of interest for us. And the important point is in which states and at what level of development they are. But certainly, there is interest.
And when you look to the evaluation of, again, sophisticated investors that we obtain in France, I know it was three years ago, but the pipeline and the value of the team was high. So this is speaking about Boralex. But there are, on the other side, opportunities today with people who are in a situation where they need a larger player to help them to bring their project to final investment decision and COD at the end.
So it's one of the differences between public and private markets at the moment. The cost of capital and the valuation of aspects in addition to operating assets is more positive and valued by the private investors. And the private investors have quite large sums of money to invest in the renewable sector.
Thank you.
You're welcome. Thank you.
We are now going to proceed with our next question. And the questions come from the line of Benjamin Pham from BMO. Please ask a question. Your line is opened.
Hi. Thanks. I want to go back to your comment around being proactive with asset sales. And maybe I missed your prepared remarks. Are you pushing this more to fill a funding need that you're anticipating years ahead, or is this just a simple evaluation exercise that you're moving forward with?
You mean the asset recycling is your question? Well, I'll try to answer, and let me know if my answer is okay. Asset recycling for us is part of both the financial and the general strategy, i.e., having partners in some assets add capital to our growth program. Because partners are not only buying something, but they're also providing additional capital for growth, like in France where EIP contributes 30% of capital to the growth of our platform there. So it's part of the strategy overall, but it's also a financial tool. And it's also currently and has been for a while an arbitrage opportunity. So it's important for us to select the right partners because we want to be with them for the long term. So our partners are important. The valuation that it provides and the cash is also important. I don't know if that answers your question.
Yeah. No, it does. Maybe just extend on that. On your backlog, right now, secured, the thought process so you can fund that with ITCs and free cash flow. Is there a wedge there for asset sales to fill the gap? That's new, or is the prior guidance intact, and this is just additional liquidity that you're trying to move forward with?
It's part of the financing of the overall growth program. As you know, our growth is accelerating. We have a larger pipeline. We're seeing more growth opportunities in our markets, as Patrick described. So to us, it's a good way to essentially demonstrate to shareholders that we're funding at the lowest cost of capital. Instead of issuing equity, we're finding additional funds from partners at valuations that are accretive to our current shareholders.
Okay. I got you. And just some of the comments here around the news this week, and it looks like you're going to benefit from that in other ways, more sound harder assets and other assets that you see. But when you think about the public versus private debate right now, as you think about your business or just your future going forward, is there really a strong case to even stay public at all? Because when I look at the private alternative, it just checks a lot of the boxes now in terms of your need for capital, your growth going forward. What is the huge benefit of being public at this point in time? And maybe you can just talk generically too if that is more helpful.
Yeah. Well, as you may know, I've been on the private side, and I'm now a CFO of a publicly listed company. So I know both worlds and both types of vehicles have their pluses and minuses. Having a diversified base of shareholders and an organized market like the public markets creates a bit more volatility, as we've talked about. But certainly, it's a continuous way to access a market which is potentially deeper at the end than just having one shareholder. So we're a listed company. And as we mentioned, we find ways to tap into the private market valuations at the same time, having the benefits also of being a publicly listed company. So there's pluses and minuses, but we're a listed company.
I got you. So that balancing approach. And maybe just one last one. I know Patrick mentioned diversification helping you to some extent. Being mostly wind right now and you saw hydro become more wind. Can you still achieve that through geographical diversification? Has the data suggested that gives you that, or the data is actually contradicting the diversification approach?
No. Really, with the wind in different areas, you can see it in the versus U.S., sorry, versus Canada versus France the last quarters, was already well diversified. The U.K. investment, today, I was mentioning that Limekiln is under commissioning. We're already producing more than 60 MW in Limekiln because in the grid operation, we are just allowed to do this. But this means that there is a lot of wind there, and it will be diversification from the French wind and the Canadian wind. So that's one point. The storage is a very important diversification. And finally, we are in a we have a strong development in New York, and it's only solar, and this will be another diversification.
The point on the hydro, since there is no development in hydro, if you look forward to 2030, it will become smaller and smaller in the revenue and the cash and the EBITDA and the cash flow. And so the diversification advantage of hydro will be smaller. And that's the reason why, coming back to the benefit of asset recycling, is that we can crystallize this value with someone who will be interested to buy these assets. And so we get the value, but we can invest in other things going forward.
Okay. Got it. Thank you very much.
Thank you.
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Hi. I was hoping to get an update on your strategy in France. It looks like the pricing there is still pretty strong for you, but I know you have some short-term contracts there that you'll have to think about recontracting soon. How's the strategy evolving, and can you give us an update on where you're at with your contract portfolio and how that might change over the next few quarters?
Yes. There is different things. The first is there is the first impact on the very short term, the 18 months, which were exempt of price cap. That is an impact because that was very beneficial the last 24 months for us. So that will come to an end, obviously. On the other side, there is still strong demand from corporations. We have signed two contracts in the fall, and we have some other options that are coming on this side for long-term contracts and new assets. For existing assets, what we're doing also is diversifying the off-taker. There is different utilities or utility-kind big resellers of electricity that are interested to buy our electricity. And on our side, it's better to have more than one large buyer, what we have done in 2022 when we signed with Axpo. There is, obviously, for existing assets, the option of repowering.
That is, depending on the price that we can get from brownfield PPA versus new repowering. And we have, in the last tender, you have seen that we have obtained a contract for the extension of a site, but also another contract for the repowering of the site. And the return of the repowering are very high because there are lots of things that are already paid in this situation. So we are looking to the different options, and there are lots of options because in Europe, lots of companies have SBTi target. They want to reduce their Scope 2 in SBTi, and so they have a lot of interest for our product.
Just one more thing to note also of interest in France is that the budget of 2025 was finally adopted, and there's no cap. The price cap is not extended in 2025, and no change for this year. So there will be no impact negatively from that perspective.
So a couple of follow-ups. First of all, how is the spread between, say, the price you might get from a corporate versus the government auction price? How is that looking? Is it getting more attractive? And more short-term here, what's the impact on your portfolio into the next quarter given the price dynamic that you see?
Yeah. It's very sensitive to answer this question, as you can imagine. So there is an interest from corporations which are driven by reducing their Scope 2 and sometimes also by marketing value that they find in this. So it's very difficult to comment. Sorry. What I think is you have to see the government-backed contract as a very interesting option. If you look to the last price, they were a very good price coming back to the mid-80s in euro. And the reflex is that if we sign a corporate PPA, it's because we have a better option by signing the corporate PPA for a specific project. So that's where I can leave it.
Okay. That's very good. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thanks a lot, Rupert.
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