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Earnings Call: Q1 2024

May 9, 2024

Operator

Good morning. My name is Sylvie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Cascades First Quarter 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are currently in the listen-only mode. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. I will now pass the call to Jennifer Aitken, Director of Investor Relations for Cascades. Madame Aitken, you may begin.

Jennifer Aitken
Director of Investor Relations, Cascades

Thank you, Sylvie. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our First Quarter 2024 Conference Call. We will begin with an overview of our operational and financial results, followed by some concluding remarks, after which we will begin the question period. Today's speakers will be Mario Plourde, President and CEO, and Allan Hogg, CFO. Also joining us for the question period at the end of the call are Charles Malo, President and COO of Containerboard Packaging; Jérôme Porlier, President and COO of Specialty Products; Jean-David Tardif, President and COO of Tissue Papers; and Luc Langevin, Senior VP of Corporate Services. Before I turn the call over to my colleagues, I would like to highlight that certain statements made during this call will discuss historical and forward-looking matters. The accuracy of these statements is subject to risk factors that can have a material impact on actual results.

These risks are listed in our public filings. These statements, the investor presentation, and the press release also include data that are not measures of performance under IFRS. Please refer to our Q1 2024 investor presentation for details. This presentation, along with our first quarter press release, can be found in the investors section of our website. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us after the session. I will now turn the call over to our CEO. Mario?

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Thank you, Jennifer, and good morning, everyone. Let me begin with a quick overview of our consolidated result. First quarter sales levels decreased by roughly 2.5% sequentially and year over year. This performance was in line with our expectations. Softer selling prices in all of our businesses were the main headwinds year over year, the effect of which were partially offset by a better sales mix in Tissue, a stronger volume in our packaging businesses. Sequentially, sales mix, volume, and less favorable exchange rate were the main factor behind the lower sales. Consolidated EBITDA of CAD 103 million decreased 23% from the prior year and 16% from Q4. This performance was in line with expectations given recent index pricing movement, the impact of which was most prominent for our Containerboard business.

To this end, lower pricing and higher raw material costs were the main drivers of our lower performance year-over-year and fully offset beneficial volume and mix in packaging, lower raw material costs in Tissue, and lower operational costs on a consolidated basis. Sequentially, the combined impact of higher operational costs and less favorable volume in sales mix far outweighed slightly stronger pricing. On the raw material side, highlighted on slides five and six, the Q1 average index price for OCC increased 206% year-over-year and 22% from Q4. The OCC market saw consistent strong demand, including growing amount needed for new recycled Containerboard mill being ramped up, and lower seasonal generation levels, which put upward pressure on pricing. We had no problem supplying the needs of our operation with good inventory management.

Average Q1 index prices for white recycled paper grade increased 2% sequentially but were 36% below prior year levels. The market was relatively balanced, with index prices not being significantly impacted by virgin pulp pricing movement. Pulp pricing was higher sequentially, up 10% in the case of softwood and 13% for hardwood. Year-over-year, however, prices for both softwood and hardwood pulp remained lower, down 14% and 20% respectively. Market conditions were impacted by multiple factors, including downtime and permanent closure in North America, a port strike, and unplanned mill downtime in Finland, and reduced traffic in key shipping routes. Notwithstanding these market conditions, the material has been readily available for our mills. Moving now to the results of each of our business segments, as highlighted on pages seven through 12 of the presentation. Beginning with Containerboard, sequential sales decreased by a marginal 1% in Q1.

This reflects lower selling prices following index change in November 2023 and a less favorable sales mix and exchange rate. These were partially offset by higher volumes, with the 9% sequential increase in parent roll shipments and 3% decrease in converted product shipments, both related to seasonality. As previously announced, we took 19,800 short-term maintenance and inventory management-related downtime in the quarter. Sequentially, converting shipments decreased 3% in Canada, below the 1.7% decrease in the Canadian market. U.S. converting shipments decreased 3.7% below the 2.3% in the U.S. market decrease. Q1 adjusted EBITDA of CAD 50 million, or 9% on a margin basis, was 25% below Q4 levels and was in line with expectations. The decrease reflected the impact from higher operating energy and raw material costs. The Trenton Paper Mill closure announced in February also had a negative impact on our first quarter result.

Year-over-year sales also decreased by 1%, with the impact of lower selling prices largely offset by higher volumes. EBITDA levels decreased by 60%, a reflection of the combined impact from lower pricing and higher raw material and operational costs, including costs associated with Bear Island. These were partially offset by improved volume and a more favorable sales mix. Year-over-year shipments increased by 8% in Q1, largely related by the new Bear Island volume. Converting shipments increased by 7.4% in Canada, outperforming the 2.3% increase in the Canadian market. U.S. converting shipments increased 16.8%, once again significantly outperforming the 1.1% U.S. market decrease. Continuing with our packaging business, Q1 sales levels in our Specialty Products segment were stable sequentially, as slightly lower volume and the impact from a less favorable exchange rate were offset by a better sales mix in the molded pulp business.

EBITDA increased by CAD 6 million sequentially, driven by higher spread in the Plastic business and lower operational costs. These were partially offset by higher raw material costs in the Cardboard segment. On a margin basis, the business Q1 margin was 15.6%. When compared to the prior year, Q1 sales were stable, as the impact from lower selling prices in the Cardboard subsegment was offset by benefit from higher volumes in the Plastic business. EBITDA levels decreased by CAD 2 million year-over-year to CAD 25 million in Q1, as the impact from lower selling prices in Cardboard and higher recycled fiber were partially offset by benefits from lower resin and better volume in our Plastic packaging activity.

Moving now to our Tissue business, first quarter sales in the segment decreased 6% sequentially, reflecting a 14% decrease in volume in the Away-from-Home market that is attributable to usual seasonality and the impact from a less favorable exchange rate. First quarter EBITDA of CAD 50 million decreased from Q4 levels, reflecting lower average selling prices due to contractual mechanism, higher raw material and maintenance costs, and lower volume in the Away-from-Home. Q1 margin of 13.6% remained solid but were below the 15.6% in the previous period. Sales decreased by 5% year-over-year. This reflects a 7% reduction in shipments levels, which was driven by a 65% decrease in shipments of parent rolls following mill closure and higher internal consumption, as highlighted by this business integration rate increasing to 94% from 84% a year ago period.

On the converting side, shipments decreased by 3%, the result of a 5% decrease in the Away-from-Home following plant closure, offset by an 8% increase in retail. The average selling price increased by 3%, driven by the lower proportion of parent-roll in the sales mix, partially offset by a slightly lower average selling price due to contracted pricing model agreement and a less favorable exchange rate. Year-over-year, EBITDA was well above prior year levels. This is the outcome of lower raw material, energy, transportation, and production costs, the last of which reflect benefits related to lower fixed cost levels following plant closure. These tailwinds were partially offset by lower selling prices and a net negative volume and sales mix effect. Allan will now discuss the main highlight of our financial performance. Allan?

Allan Hogg
CFO, Cascades

Yes, thank you, Mario, and good morning, everyone. Slides 13 and 14 illustrate the specific items recorded during the quarter. The main items that impacted EBITDA were CAD 28 million of restructuring costs related to the closure of plants, mainly in Containerboard and Tissue, that occurred over the last 12 months. Slides 15 and 16 illustrate the year-over-year and sequential variance of our Q1 adjusted earnings per share and the reconciliation with specific items that affected our results. As reported, Q1 net loss per share was CAD 0.20, this compared to a net loss per share of CAD 0.75 last year and CAD 0.57 in Q4 of 2023. On an adjusted basis, net results per share were zero in the current quarter, this compared to net earnings per share of CAD 0.32 in last year's results and net earnings per share of CAD 0.05 in Q4.

Year-over-year, this variance mainly reflects lower EBITDA and higher financing and depreciation expenses, while sequential variance reflects lower EBITDA levels. As highlighted on slide 17, First Quarter adjusted cash flow from operations was CAD 46 million, down from CAD 90 million in the year-ago period and CAD 103 million sequentially. Adjusted cash flow use in the first quarter improved year-over-year, largely reflecting last year's lower capital investment associated with the Bear Island project. Sequentially, adjusted cash flow from operations decreased due to lower EBITDA and higher net financing expenses paid in the first quarter. Slide 18 provides detail about our capital investments. New investment in the first quarter totaled CAD 25 million. For 2024, our planned capital investment of CAD 175 million has not changed. Moving now to our net debt reconciliation.

Sequentially, our net debt increased by CAD 138 million in the first quarter, reflecting a lower cash flow from operations, a CAD 38 million negative impact from a less favorable exchange rate, CAD 41 million in paid capital investments, and a negative working capital variance, which is usual in the first quarter. Our leverage stands at 3.8x at the end of Q1 from 3.4x at the end of 2023. In mid-April, the company entered into a CAD 175 million unsecured, delayed draw term loan facility to manage upcoming maturities, notably the January 2025 Canadian dollar senior notes. In the event it is drawn upon, the new facility will mature on December 31st, 2026, and will bear interest at a variable rate. Financial ratios and information about maturities are detailed on slide 20, and other information and analysis can be found on slides 23 through 30 of the deck.

Mario will now conclude the call with some brief comments and our near-term outlook before we begin the question period. Mario?

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Thank you, Allan. We provide details regarding our near-term outlook on slide 21 of the presentation. I would remind you that this outlook is based on current index pricing and our forecast and expectation as of today. Actual results may differ from this outlook in the event of movements in the index pricing, both in terms of raw material costs and selling prices. We have modified how we present our outlook to provide greater clarity. Starting with Containerboard segment, we are expecting Q2 results to be stronger sequentially. This reflects higher selling prices as the benefit from index pricing movement begins to flow through results, and good volume giving stronger seasonal trends. Raw material costs remain elevated and will continue to be a headwind for the business. We are also planning approximately 27,000-ton short-term maintenance downtime in the quarter.

This includes 11,000 short-term at Greenpac to align with major maintenance that is occurring at our steam supplier. To offset higher operational and raw material costs, which continue to rise and have not been fully mitigated by the partial recognition of the last increase, we have announced a CAD 60 per ton increase for liner and a CAD 80 per ton increase for medium effective June 3rd. Results in the Specialty Products segments are expected to be stable sequentially, reflecting higher selling prices in some business segments and efficiency improvement. Raw material costs are also expected to be a headwind for this business sequentially. Our outlook for Tissue is for second quarter result to be stable, with benefit from stronger volume largely offset by lower selling prices due to the timing effect of customer pricing agreement and higher raw material costs.

Let me conclude by saying that we remain positive about the future performance of our businesses, and our team continue to manage each of them with a view of driving profitability, efficiency, productivity in their competitive positioning. With that, we can now open the call for questions, operator.

Operator

[Foreign language] . Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question, simply press star then number one on your telephone keypad. And if you would like to withdraw from the question queue, please press star followed by two. Again, if you have a question, please press star then number one on your telephone keypad. And your first question will be from Hamir Patel at CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Please unmute, Hamir. I'm sorry, not getting a response. We will move to Sean Steuart at TD Cowen.

Sean Steuart
Managing Director, TD Cowen

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. A couple of questions on Containerboard. Mario, wondering if you can comment on your thoughts on tension in the market right now. It doesn't seem like inventories are too low across the system ahead of the June price increase efforts. Your thoughts on an ability to pass through price hikes when it's a cost push exercise instead of a tight market-induced initiative?

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Well, considering the market, actually, we saw, I would say, a slower beginning of the year this year. But as we speak, we see a pickup in demands in most of our business segment, most notably in the distribution and e-coms. So we're coming into a more active season. With the possibility of a price increase, I would say the increase in cost in the business in general for the last 12 months certainly justified these price increases to go through, especially with the last price increase have not been reflected in the index. So I would say just the cost increase would justify that increase to go through. But difficult to us to predict because we don't control this. But that's my take on that.

Sean Steuart
Managing Director, TD Cowen

Okay. Thanks for those thoughts. Also wanted to ask about integration rates in your Containerboard segment. Any updated thoughts on the best approach to raise those integration rates going forward so you're not so exposed to parent-rolls, organic versus M&A? Any updated thoughts on options for your company on that front?

Charles Malo
President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Cascades

So Sean, this is Charles. So there's a few things. The first part for us is to maximize the use of our network that we have already installed. And you can see that we're making progress on that, as Mario mentioned. The strategic markets that we've decided to go after are paying off when you look at our growth compared to what's going on in the market, being the e-com and distribution. So this is going in the right direction. So just by that, this is the first step that we are focusing on. The fact that we also took some of the capacity, closing down our non-efficient mill in Trenton, also has an impact on our overall numbers. And yes, we are looking now and looking at opportunity for our growth.

But our first move was really to make sure that we would ramp up our Bear Island facility first, and then working also on expanding our growth with acquisition or greenfield. We're looking at both.

Sean Steuart
Managing Director, TD Cowen

Thanks, Charles, for that detail. That's all I have. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Next question will be from Matthew McKellar at RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Matthew McKellar
VP, RBC Capital Markets

Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe first, operating costs were called out as a factor for Containerboard and Tissue in Q1, and you noted higher operational costs in Containerboard as a factor for Q2. Could you give a bit more color on what you're seeing and where you're seeing the most pressure on costs today?

Charles Malo
President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Cascades

Okay. So a few points. First of all, Q1, this is Charles for Containerboard. In Q1, the energy due to seasonality is always one that has a bit more pressure on our costs. But the other one which makes a lot of pressure on our overall costs right now is the fiber, the OCC, which has a major impact on the overall for our operation. The other thing is we now have the full impact of the cost structure of the Bear Island, and we're still in ramp-up as we speak.

Jean-David Tardif
President and COO of Tissue Papers, Cascades

On our side, Matthew, Jean-David speaking for Tissue, raw material is definitely the most significant impact. I would say, as you see, virgin pulp prices increases month after month. But we see a decrease in the SOP last month, so that was good news for us. Maintenance costs were a little bit higher on Q1, but back under control for the coming quarters.

Matthew McKellar
VP, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thanks for that, Charles. Maybe next, when you first announced the Bear Island conversion project, I think you were talking about ramping up operationally to about 80% within a year or so. Sounds like things are going well, but if you could confirm if that's roughly where you are today, that'd be helpful. And then if you could give us a sense too of, I mean, where financial contribution is in terms of where you ultimately intend to end up, that would be helpful. I know you talked about being break-even last quarter. Any sense of where you are today would be great. Thanks.

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Well, Matthew, we won't comment on specific contribution now, but you can imagine with the market condition, there's some impact on Bear Island. But I'll let Charles comment on the productivity and the volume side of it.

Charles Malo
President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Cascades

Yeah. So we're still in line with our ramp-up towards the end of the year. Like you mentioned, the percentage is still aligned with that. Actually, we're getting closer to this as we speak. That's why right now what we're doing is really, as you know, when we have a startup like this, the beginning is to qualify product, qualify to customers. And now we're in the stage of making sure that we optimize. So working on our consumables, looking at how can we improve our cost structures. So this is really what we are working on as we speak because the ramp-up on the productivity and the quality of the product is really going according to what we had planned.

Matthew McKellar
VP, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thanks. And last one from me. You're sequential. Even the reconciliations for the last two quarters each noted lower results from Recovery operations. Can you give us just a bit more detail on why results were lower each of the last couple of quarters?

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Why the results are up, you mean?

Matthew McKellar
VP, RBC Capital Markets

It's possibly a misunderstanding, but on slide 27, I think I noted lower results from Recovery operations.

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Yeah. Luc, do you want to comment on the overall condition in the Recovery operations?

Luc Langevin
SVP of Corporate Services, Cascades

Yeah. Well, the overall, through the year of 2023, the situation improved because the margins improved in the Recovery business. We're still slightly impacted by the volume as now, as the generation has been slightly softer than it used to be in the first quarter of 2023 in the first quarter of 2024 versus the previous years, representing pretty much what the economy is currently. I don't know if it answers your questions.

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

So, Matthew, we improve year-over-year, but it was slightly lower sequentially.

Luc Langevin
SVP of Corporate Services, Cascades

Exactly.

Matthew McKellar
VP, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks for the help. That's all from me. I'll turn it back.

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Again, if you would like to ask a question, please press star then number one on your telephone keypad. And your next question will be from Zachary Evershed at National Bank . Please go ahead.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and congrats on the quarter.

Charles Malo
President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Cascades

Morning.

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Morning.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank

I was hoping you could give us a bit more detail on the customer pricing model in Tissue because it does look like pulp costs are increasing sequentially over the last two quarters, but you're getting some lower selling prices. So are those tied to SOP?

Charles Malo
President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Cascades

Yeah. It's tied to its multiple index into this. It's SOP, virgin pulp, freight, energy. Depending on the customers, there's different components. But most of the time, it's on six-month basis. So that's why there's a lag between increase, decrease, or adjustment. So that's why we saw that effect lagging behind, I would say, the index prices.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank

Gotcha. Thanks.

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Maybe we can add it. How much of the percentage we said in the past? Is it?

Charles Malo
President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Cascades

Right now, we are talking about 25% of the volume being tied to.

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Of the retail?

Charles Malo
President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Cascades

Of the retail.

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Mainly in retail?

Charles Malo
President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Cascades

Yeah. Tied with the price change mechanism.

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Okay.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank

Gotcha. Thanks. And then would you say your plans for the fiber mix at Bear Island have changed given movements in OCC and mixed waste?

Charles Malo
President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Cascades

I'm sorry. I missed the beginning of the question.

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Of the recipe in Bear Island.

Charles Malo
President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Cascades

Is the plan has changed? Is the plan? Yes. So we are in ramp-up. So what we're doing right now, first step was to produce the paper. So that's what we did, I would say, towards the end of the year in Q4. But beginning of this year, in 2024, we are increasing the content of the mixed product at the mill. But we are cautious also in making sure that we produce the good quality and we have control on our product. But yes, the goal is to use the investment that we made at the mill. As you know, we can go up to an average of 60% depending on what we produce in mixed waste. So we're not at that stage right now, but we are going month after month, increasing the percentage to benefit because right now, it does bring a benefit to the mill.

Zachary Evershed
Director, National Bank

That's great. Thanks. Good color. I'll turn it over.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, there appears we have no further questions. Mario Plourde, please continue.

Mario Plourde
President and CEO, Cascades

Yeah. Thank you, everyone, for being on the call this morning. We wish you a nice rest of the week and hope to see you on the next call. Thank you very much.

Charles Malo
President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Cascades

Thank you.

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