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Earnings Call: Q3 2021

Nov 5, 2021

Operator

Good morning, and thank you for joining us today for Select Medical Holdings Corporation's earnings conference call to discuss the Q3 2021 results and the company's business outlook.

Speaking today are the company's Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Robert Ortenzio, and the company's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Martin Jackson. Management will give you an overview of the quarter and then open the call for questions. Before we get started, we would like to remind you that this conference call may contain forward-looking statements regarding future events or the future financial performance of the company, including, without limitation, statements regarding operating results, growth opportunities, and other statements that refer to Select Medical's plans, expectations, strategies, intentions, and beliefs.

These forward-looking statements are based on the information available to management of Select Medical to date, and the company assumes no obligation to update these statements as circumstances change.

At this time, I will turn the conference call over to Mr. Robert Ortenzio.

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for Select Medical's Q3 earnings conference call for 2021.

We are pleased with our clinical financial performance for the quarter. Our clinical teams continue to excel with high-quality, compassionate care for our patients during challenging times. For that, I'm very grateful. Our business diversification we built over the last decade has helped us achieve the growth and stability we were targeting. Three of our four business segments realized double-digit top-line growth. Outpatient rehabilitation and occupational medicine saw over a 24% increase in same-quarter year-over-year EBITDA growth.

We continue to be active on the development front. As I mentioned during the Q2 conference call, we entered into new joint ventures with Ascension Saint Thomas in Nashville.

Construction is underway at a new 30-bed critical illness recovery hospital within a hospital at the Ascension Saint Thomas West Campus, which will be a satellite campus of our existing Select Specialty Hospital Nashville, and we expect it to open by the end of the year.

We also entered into a new joint venture with Community Health Systems' Northwest Healthcare in Tucson and acquired Curahealth Tucson, a critical illness recovery hospital. We plan to relocate to our joint venture partners, Northwest Medical Center Campus, by the end of the year.

Also, during the Q3, we entered into a new outpatient joint venture with Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles, contributing our 26 outpatient clinics in that market to the joint venture. On October 1, we closed on the acquisition of Acuity Healthcare, which operates five critical illness recovery hospitals through joint venture partnerships in New Jersey and West Virginia.

We've been working with our new partners, integrating these hospitals into our portfolio of critical illness recovery hospitals. On November 1, we entered into a new outpatient joint venture in Birmingham, Alabama, with Grandview Medical Center, contributing Select's five outpatient clinics in the market. Our development pipeline remains strong as we continue to look for opportunities to expand our footprint and partner with leading healthcare institutions throughout the country.

In addition, as we have included in our earnings press release yesterday, our board has declared a 12.5-cent per share dividend that will be payable on November 29 to shareholders of record November 16. The board also increased the capacity of our authorized share repurchase program by $500 million to $1 billion and extended the program 2 years until December 31, 2023.

As we have done over the past year, we have outlined our business segment's monthly revenue, volume, and occupancy statistics in our earnings press release and public filings, including monthly results from 2019 to provide a data point for each of our business segments prior to the pandemic compared to where they are currently.

We will continue to include this information as long as it provides meaningful insight to the impact of COVID-19 and the company's financial performance. Overall revenue for the Q3 grew 7.8% to $1.53 billion, and year to date has increased 14.1% to $4.64 billion. Revenue in our critical illness recovery hospital segment in the Q3 increased 2.2% to $531 million compared to $519 million in the same quarter last year.

Patient days were down 2.4% compared to the same quarter last year, with 272,000 patient days in the quarter. Occupancy in our critical illness recovery hospital segment was 68% in the Q3 compared to 71% in the same quarter last year and 67% in the Q3 of 2019. We did increase our bed count on a year-over-year same quarter basis from 2020 to 2021 by 119.

This increase in beds was a result of the acquisition of our new Tucson hospital, which added 51 beds, and the balance of the beds, 68, came from bed relocations, bed additions, and temporary beds at 9 of our hospitals. Revenue per patient day increased 4.7% to $1,931 per patient day in the Q3.

Revenue in our rehabilitation hospital segment in the Q3 increased 13% to $212 million compared to $88 million in the same quarter last year. Patient days increased 7.6% compared to the same quarter last year to almost 103,000 patient days. Occupancy in our rehab hospitals was 82% in both the Q3 this year and last year, and 75% in the Q3 of 2019.

Revenue per patient day increased 6% to $1,881 per day in the Q3. Revenue in our outpatient rehab segment in the Q3 increased 14.4% to $275 million compared to $240 million in the same quarter last year.

Patient visits were up 18.3%, with 2.3 million visits in the quarter compared to 2 million visits in the same quarter last year and 2.2 million visits in the Q3 of 2019. Our revenue per visit was $102 in the Q3 compared to $104 per visit in the same quarter last year.

This reduction in rate is due to a change in our payer mix caused by the pandemic and the related lockdowns in the Q3 last year, which is now normalized to a payer mix consistent with our experience prior to the onset of the pandemic. Revenue in our Concentra segment in the Q3 increased 12.8% to $442 million compared to $392 million in the same quarter last year.

For the centers, patient visits were up 14% to 3.22 million visits compared to 2.83 million visits in the same quarter last year and 3.15 million visits in the Q3 of 2019. Revenue per visit in the centers increased $124 in the Q3 compared to $121 in the same quarter last year. Total company adjusted EBITDA for the Q3 declined 2.2% to $208.6 million compared to $213.2 million in the same quarter last year. Our consolidated adjusted EBITDA margin was 13.6% for the Q3 compared to 15% for the same quarter last year.

We did incur one-time expenses during the quarter totaling $6.5 million. These included a write-down of PPE supplies, integration of costs of our Tucson acquisition, and costs associated with the forced relocation of one of our hospitals. In addition, Q3 of 2020 included $3.2 million of EBITDA associated with the CBOC business, which we sold in August of 2020. Our critical illness recovery hospital segment adjusted EBITDA was $57.2 million in the Q3 compared to $88.8 million in the same quarter last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the segment was 10.8% in the Q3 compared to 17.1% in the same quarter last year. We continue to experience significantly higher nursing costs, which is being driven by an increase of both hours and rates of agency staffing.

Salary, wages and benefits increased by 560 basis points on a same-quarter year-over-year basis. Our rehabilitation hospital segment adjusted EBITDA declined 1.3% to $44.1 million in the Q3 compared to $44.6 million in the same quarter last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the rehab hospital segment was 20.7% in the Q3 compared to 23.7% the same quarter last year.

We've also experienced increased labor costs of clinicians in our rehab hospitals. Salary, wages and benefits increased on a same-quarter year-over-year basis by 140 basis points. Our outpatient rehabilitation adjusted EBITDA increased 26.6% to $38.8 million in the Q3 compared to $30.6 million in the same quarter last year.

Adjusted EBITDA margin for the outpatient segment was 14.1% in the Q3 compared to 12.8% in the same quarter last year. The increase in EBITDA is primarily driven by increases in patient visit volumes. Our Concentra adjusted EBITDA increased 23.9% to $99.8 million in the Q3 compared to $80.5 million the same quarter last year.

Concentra recognized $1.6 million of CARES Act payments in the Q3 this year compared to $400,000 in the same quarter last year. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 22.6% in the Q3 compared to 20.6% in the same quarter last year.

The increase in EBITDA is driven by both increased patient volumes as well as COVID screening and testing services provided by our centers through on-site clinics located at employer work sites. Earnings per common share was $0.57 in both the Q3 this year and same quarter last year. Adjusted earnings per common share was $0.56 in the Q3 last year, which excluded non-operating gains and their related tax impacts. I'll now turn it over to Martin Jackson for some additional financial details before opening the call up for questions.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Thanks, Robert, and good morning, everyone.

For the Q3, our operating expenses, which include our cost of services and general and administrative expense, were $1.34 billion or 87.1% of revenue. For the same quarter last year, operating expenses were $1.22 billion and 85.4% of revenue. The increase in our operating expenses as a percent of revenue was primarily driven by the increased staffing costs in our critical illness recovery hospitals and rehabilitation hospital segments. Cost of services were $1.3 billion for the Q3. This compares to $1.18 billion in the same quarter last year.

As a percent of revenue, cost of services were 84.6% for the Q3.

This compares to 82.9% in the same quarter last year. G&A expense was $37.9 million in the Q3. This compares to $35.5 million in the same quarter last year. G&A as a percent of revenue was 2.5% in both Q3 this year and the same quarter last year.

As Robert mentioned, total adjusted EBITDA was $208.6 million, and the adjusted EBITDA margin was 13.6% for the Q3, which compares to total adjusted EBITDA, 213.2 million dollars and adjusted EBITDA margin of 15% in the same quarter last year. Depreciation and amortization was $50.1 million in both the Q3 of this year and the same quarter last year.

We generated $11.5 million in equity and earnings of unconsolidated subsidiaries during the Q3. This compares to $8.8 million in the same quarter last year. Interest expense was $33.8 million in the Q3. This compares to $34 million in the same quarter last year. We recorded income tax expense of $27.7 million in the Q3 this year, which represents an effective tax rate of 21.6%.

This compares to the tax expense of $31.6 million and an effective tax rate of 23.2% in the same quarter last year. Net income attributable to non-controlling interests were $23.3 million in the Q3. This compares to $27.5 million in the same quarter last year.

Net income attributable to Select Medical Holdings was $76.9 million in the Q3, and earnings per common share was $0.57. At the end of the Q3, we had $3.4 billion of debt outstanding and $748 million of cash on the balance sheet.

Our debt balance at the end of the quarter included $2.1 billion in term loans, $1.2 billion in 6.25% senior notes, and $74 million of other miscellaneous debt. Net leverage based on our credit agreement EBITDA was 2.6x at the end of the Q3 compared to 2.51x at the end of the Q2 and 3.48x at the end of last year.

Operating activities provided $99 million of cash flow in the Q3, which includes the repayment of $92 million of Medicare advances. As of September 30, 2021, we have $159.5 million of Medicare advances remaining on the balance sheet.

We expect this remaining balance to be recouped now through April of 2022. Our DSO was 54 days at September 30, 2021. This compares to 54 days as of June 30, 2021 and 56 days at the end of December 30, 2020. Investing activities used $69.1 million of cash in the Q3. The use of cash included $48.9 million in purchases of property and equipment and $21.9 million in acquisition and investment activity in the quarter.

We also generated $1.8 million in proceeds from the sale of assets in the Q3. Financing activities used $85.4 million of cash in the Q3. This included $64.4 million in the repurchases of common stock, $47.5 million of which constituted repurchases under our board authorization repurchase program. This also includes $16.9 million in dividend payments and $7 million in net payments and distributions to non-controlling interests in the quarter.

The company repurchased over 1.38 million shares for a total cost of $47.5 million during the Q3 under our board authorized share repurchase program. Since inception, the company has repurchased close to 40 million shares for a total consideration of $404 million.

As Robert mentioned, our board authorized a $500 million increase in availability under the program and extended through December 31, 2021. Our total available liquidity at the end of the Q3 was over $1.34 billion. This includes $748 million of cash and close to $595 million in revolver availability under the Select credit agreement. Additionally, in our earnings press release, we provided updated business outlook for calendar year 2021.

For the full year 2021, we now expect revenue in the range of $6.05 billion-$6.15 billion, expected adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of $980 million-$1 billion, and expected earnings per common share to be in the range of $2.98-$3.09. This concludes our prepared remarks. At this time, we'd like to turn it back over to the operator to open up the call for additional questions.

Operator

As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one on your telephone.

To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.

Our first question comes from the line of Justin Bowers with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi. Good morning, everyone. LTAC, just in terms of the labor situation, I mean, that's not a surprise for anyone in healthcare services these days. Can you just talk about some of the tactics and the strategies that you guys are doing to you know, to mitigate the situation and just making sure you guys have you know, enough capacity?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Sure, Justin, we'd be happy to do so. You know, as you might suspect, there's a number of things that we're doing to make sure that we will have appropriate clinical staffing in place to take care of volume increases. You know, a lot of that has to do with you know, really focusing on consistently evaluating each of the markets to upgrading or to increasing pay as the market demands.

You know, I think we're spending a lot of time on you know, agency. I think you and I have talked about it before that the PRN pool has basically disappeared. Most of those have gone to agency. We're taking a look at making sure that we have longer-term contracts with the agencies over a period of months and not weeks.

You know, we're also working on our CNA programs, trying to increase our CNA population. There's a number of things that we're doing. You know, I think some of those also include technology. We're taking a look at our telemetry units and some of our nurse sitters, where we can use technology to address those, so we can use the nurses on the floor.

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Understood. As you know, Q4, typically, that's a seasonally strong quarter for the LTACs. You know, historically, there's been some benefit with incrementals. Is that, and understanding that's probably not going to be the same pattern, in terms of the order of magnitude, but should there be some type of margin benefit? Is volume step up or is the labor situation kind of going to eat into that historical kind of benefit when volume's increased?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah. You're absolutely right. The Q4 is typically we see a bit of a pop in census, and we are seeing that. Having said that, we're also seeing labor increases. We would hesitate at this time, Justin, to say that there's going to be margin expansion in the Q4 due to the volume increase, specifically because of the additional labor cost.

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Got it. Just the $6.3 million in one-timers that you guys called out, was that most all in LTAC, or was that in any other segments as well?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

It

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Go ahead.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah. It was mostly all in LTACs.

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

I think it was $5.5 million of the $6.5 million was in LTACs.

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Then with all the new beds coming online, which I think is roughly 200, is there any other thing that we should be keeping in mind, you know, in terms of startup, ramp up or any one-timers for the segment in Q4?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah, that's a great question. I think there's going to be some, as we usually have, some additional integration costs associated with Acuity, with the integration of Acuity. You know, I think we should see that in October and maybe a little bit in November, but post that, I think it's full steam ahead.

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, thanks. I'll hop back in queue.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Frank Morgan with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

Frank Morgan
Managing Director, Healthcare Services Research, RBC Capital Markets

Morning.

Hey, is there anything? Just curious, getting more specific on the implied Q4 guidance. Is there anything that you're building in? Are you assuming any improvement in the LTAC, or basically things stay just as they are and then the rest of the businesses, IRF and outpatient and Concentra to, you know, continue to improve and make up that shortfall? Is that the way you're thinking about it or is there any other consideration that you're thinking about in the Q4 for LTACs or for critical care recovery hospitals?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah, Frank. I think from our perspective, we're really taking a look at LTACs, probably being in that same ballpark. Again, it's really a question of the negotiation with the nursing agencies, and what the rates are.

Frank Morgan
Managing Director, Healthcare Services Research, RBC Capital Markets

Gotcha. On that, can you give us any kind of color around what's the difference, you know, between, say, contracting on a weekly basis versus a monthly or, you know, two or three-month basis? Is it a meaningful difference there in terms of-

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

As far as the pricing is concerned, the pricing is really not that much different. It's just getting the guarantee that you're going to have those nurses over a longer period of time. You know, as I'm sure you know, Q4, we've seen some nice increases, and then the Q1, you really see a pop in the Q1. We want to make sure that we have the staffing in place to take care of those patients.

Frank Morgan
Managing Director, Healthcare Services Research, RBC Capital Markets

Gotcha. This is literally all staffing. There's no other, you know, moving around, you know, units opening or closing or transitioning during the quarter. You would attribute most of this to basically this nursing issue.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

We would.

Frank Morgan
Managing Director, Healthcare Services Research, RBC Capital Markets

Got it. I'm just curious, over on the IRF side, you know, good pricing growth, presumably that's mostly acuity. Just curious your thoughts on how sustainable that type of rate growth is as we start thinking about next year.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah, we think that we'll continue to see those same types of increases, Frank.

Frank Morgan
Managing Director, Healthcare Services Research, RBC Capital Markets

Got it. Just curious, obviously this news out of Pfizer today, but I know we're not a large cap pharma analyst, but how does that news strike you? Do you think that's a good thing for your business and that certainly, hopefully would help on the labor side, but just any initial reactions to how you think that would affect providers?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

What's that? Well, a little more specific, Frank.

Frank Morgan
Managing Director, Healthcare Services Research, RBC Capital Markets

I'm sorry. Yeah.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

We've been preparing for our earnings call. I'm not, like, we're not out on a trying.

Frank Morgan
Managing Director, Healthcare Services Research, RBC Capital Markets

No, go ahead. Yeah. Supposedly Pfizer has an oral, you know, pill that is, you know, highly effective in reducing hospitalization for COVID and, you know, requesting quick approval on it, sort of.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah. No. Okay. Yeah, sure. That's going to be a game changer, of course. It's going to be strong. I see it as a positive. I see it as a positive for staffing. I see it as a positive for, you know, all of healthcare. I think it's a great thing. The more therapeutics that we get, you know, the better off we're going to be. I mean, I'm not concerned that there's not going to be enough LTAC patients for our hospitals.

Frank Morgan
Managing Director, Healthcare Services Research, RBC Capital Markets

Right. Okay. Thanks.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Fischbeck with Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Good morning, guys. This is Courtney on for Kevin.

Thanks for taking the question. I guess one quick one first. You know, you guys called out in your prepared remarks and also on the press release that, you know, LTAC occupancy was down sequentially quarter-over-quarter as well as year-over-year. Could you just talk a bit about your occupancy in markets that are seeing, you know, higher COVID disruption versus, you know, markets with lower COVID disruption?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah, Courtney, we'd be happy to do that. I think when we had our Q2 earnings call, I think we talked about, you know, in the Q2, we had a number of hospitals that were on bed hold, and that was really the direct result of us not paying agency fees. We capped the agency fees at a certain dollar amount. What we decided to do was, you know, moving forward, we were going to stop that and we were going to continue to pay additional dollars to the agencies. In essence, what we saw was you saw a 65% occupancy rate in July, 68% in August, and then 70, I think it was 70, 71% in September.

That's really a function of, you know, we just couldn't flip a switch and make those changes. We were making those changes basically in August. You saw a little bit of a pop in August. You know, we're seeing that 71% in September. That occupancy continues to remain in that 70+% range.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay, thanks. That's super helpful. I guess, you know, you guys talked about how you know, you restarted the share repo program this quarter, and you know, the board authorized a larger program that's double the size of what it was before.

I guess, just generally, how are you guys thinking about share repo now? Obviously you guys reiterated your long-term growth CAGR. Was this always a lever that you planned to use to hit that 17%-20% EPS CAGR, or is this like an upside lever?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

This is really an upsize, Courtney. I mean, what we decided to do was we went through, we were at, you know, $404 million of the $500 million repurchase program, and we wanted to make sure that we're in a position to be opportunistic.

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Also, Courtney, when you look toward the end of the year or the beginning of next year, when we do our final purchase of Concentra, the company will become a very significant cash generator. We're just putting you know all of the bullets in our gun to take advantage of opportunities that might present themselves through next year.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst, Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Yeah. That makes sense. I guess one last quick one, you know, give you guys a break from the labor question. I guess, what would you say is the ongoing role of telehealth and telemedicine for Select, you know, now that it seems like patient care has really largely returned to the actual healthcare settings and actual facilities itself? If you could give any segment-level color.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

You know, both in the outpatient rehab and in particularly at Concentra, really have the capabilities to do a lot of telehealth. In fact, during the height of the pandemic, both segments had saw dramatic increase in their telehealth.

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

That has really come down pretty dramatically. I don't think that we see that as a trend in our business. Now, that may be different in other segments, but in occupational medicine and in outpatient rehab, we see that coming back down to more normal levels that we saw prior to the pandemic.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

Okay. Thanks, guys.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Bill Sutherland with The Benchmark Company . Your line is now open.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

Thanks. Good morning, Marty and Bob. Just want to think a little bit more about the staffing issue. I suppose it's a little more acute at Critical Illness than IRF because of the profile of the employees. In other words, more therapists at IRF, and I guess that's not as tough a situation as the nursing picture.

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

That's absolutely true. I mean, the rehab hospitals are, while they have nurses, very therapy driven, and our critical illness recovery hospitals are not only more heavily nurses, the level of training and sophistication for that nurse population that we employ is higher as well. We really compete often with acute hospital ICUs for the nurses that we need, so that makes it even more difficult for us to keep the

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

Right.

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

The levels of nursing that we need at the critical illness recovery hospitals.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

Bob, when you look at the last year or two and the mix of your staff at Critical Illness that are contractors, can you give us a sense of the change in percentage of total over the, you know, a year or two?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah, Bill. Historically, agency has been in that 10%-13% range. What we've seen over the past year is really in that 22%-25% range. You know, a significant increase.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

And-

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

I think a lot of that has to do with, you know, what we historically have done is we've used our fully employed nurses, then we would go to PRN, and then we would go to agency. PRN, for all intents and purposes, has disappeared. Most of those have gone over to the agency.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

Just because of economics? I mean, for that.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah. Absolutely, Bill. As you know, I mean, the economics here are very, very significant.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

Is part of the issue also that you just had more turnover in your permanent employee base? Are you taking any strategies? If that's the case, are you taking any strategies on that as well?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

We certainly are. I mean, we're very focused on turnover. You know, I know the operators have spent a significant amount of time on retention, on mentoring programs. There's a whole host of programs that they have in place to do that.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

You're hopeful you can get a better handle on that. I mean, that's the other way you get. You know, you can bring down this problem with the agency costs, obviously.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah. No, I think that's right.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

Okay. Last one, how are you looking at the outlook for the compensation increases into next year, just given this whole labor picture and benefits for that matter, and insurance? Thanks.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Well, hey, Bill, when you say the labor cost, are you talking about what we just talked about, the staffing?

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

No, I'm thinking more about your permanent ranks and kinda what you're thinking about as the upside, you know, what you're going to be looking at as far as inflationary kind of impact.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Well, I think what we've done is, you know, we're probably in the 2.5%-3% range across the board for next year is what we've been planning for.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

Okay. I just didn't know if you're seeing more pressure on that as well. That was the point of the question.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah. I mean, the only pressure is coming from the clinical staff.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

Right. Is that kind of in line, or is that also creeping up the permanent?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

No, that's certainly creeping up. That's a function of both the full-time employees plus the agency. I mean

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

Right.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

The way we take a look at it is on a combined basis.

Bill Sutherland
Equity Research Analyst and Director of Research, The Benchmark Company

Right. Okay. All right, guys. Thanks so much.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Thanks, Bill.

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Thanks, Bill.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of A.J. Rice with Credit Suisse. Your line is now open.

A.J. Rice
Managing Director, Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Hi, everybody. I think as a follow-up to Frank's question, I wanted to ask you guys about a couple of biotech drugs, too, while you're there. All kidding aside, not to beat a dead horse here, but to ask on the labor. I mean, some of the other providers are talking about the fact that during the COVID surge or Delta surge, they had nurses out on quarantine, and that sort of exacerbated the problem. On the other hand, that might be more of a temporary issue than some of the long-term dynamics that may persist.

I mean, how much of the labor issue that you're dealing with do you think was related to maybe just the after effects of the surge and might dissipate versus sort of something that's going to persist for a while?

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

You know, I wish it was the case, A.J., but I would tell you that we don't really see that.

A.J. Rice
Managing Director, Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Okay. Let me ask you about the vaccine mandate. Where are you guys at with respect to your employee base? Do you think that's going to be a further challenge in the Q4 here? Or have you absorbed most of whatever's going to happen as a result of that?

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Well, I think the vaccine mandates are going to be, you know, a challenge for all healthcare providers to meet, and we're certainly on it. You know, while we have not mandated, we certainly have encouraged and educated, and we've continued to get more and more of our employees vaccinated. With the new federal mandate, we'll move quickly like everybody else. Quite honestly, it'll be easier when you have it required across the board than hospitals making their own decisions in markets because it has the potential to cause very disproportionate issues in some markets where one would mandate and another institution would not.

A.J. Rice
Managing Director, Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Right. Obviously, had good performance both in the Concentra business and the outpatient rehab business. I guess I would have thought that those might have gotten adversely impacted by fallout from the Delta surge. It doesn't really look like that happened much.

Was there anything? I guess it would be more of a reopening issue related to Concentra if there was any fallout, and it would be, you know, step down on out people coming out of elective procedures or something on the outpatient side. But it's hard to see in the numbers that you had much impact. Did you feel like there, if you guys assessed it, did you feel like there was any impact from the Delta surge in the Q3 on those businesses?

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

We did not, A.J. We felt to use Marty's term, it was full speed ahead on both of those segments with increasing volumes, and we're not able to track any negative to the Delta surge.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah, A.J., I mean, the great thing that we feel very good about is that when you take a look and compare 2021's volume numbers to 2019, which is, you know, before all the COVID started, we're well ahead of that. That's-

A.J. Rice
Managing Director, Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Yeah. All right.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

That's a very good signal.

A.J. Rice
Managing Director, Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Yep. Just lastly, then, I wanted just to ask you about the development activity. It seems like maybe there's a little bit of a pickup in activity. I guess I was wondering, in the aftermath of the pandemic, either in some of the stuff you're doing with the critical access facilities or the IRF JVs, are you seeing more urgency, more interest, people understanding your capabilities more and saying, "Hey, I'd like to partner there"?

Then also with the outpatient things you're doing that's sort of new. What is the opportunity to pick up the branding of a strong hospital system in the local market with those outpatient relationships? Or, what is the driver behind doing the JVs on the outpatient rehab side?

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Let me take the first one, your first part of your question, A.J., which is in terms of what's the demand for, the joint venture and the development. I would say that since the pandemic, the demand for joint ventures in critical illness recovery hospitals or the LTAC segment has increased.

I think that's because the pandemic has given a very significant recognition of the importance of having, that level of service to decompress ICUs, which are in short supply at most acute care hospitals. That recognition has driven a lot more inquiries on, maybe putting one of our specialty critical illness recovery hospitals in a market that maybe does not have access to them. That has been an increase since the pandemic.

On the outpatient side of the business, it's been a natural outgrowth of successful joint ventures and relationships with very significant partners. We may have started a partnership with a rehabilitation hospital, and adding on outpatient just becomes natural as we deepen the relationships that we may have, and we start having discussions about the opportunities.

Yes, it is absolutely the case that we feel it benefits us being able to take care of or being able to take advantage of the branding of a local dominant health system. I mean, I mentioned in the prepared remarks today about our new joint venture partners with Cedars. They're just a very significant player in Southern California, and being able to develop and put up new centers with their brand, I think is very helpful.

That's been repeated across, you know, a number of our areas. There's some of those joint ventures are snap-ons to existing joint ventures and a few that are just new.

A.J. Rice
Managing Director, Equity Research, Credit Suisse

I mean, I guess.

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

I think we're going to see more and more of that.

A.J. Rice
Managing Director, Equity Research, Credit Suisse

How many of your outpatient clinics are now in a joint venture, and where do you see that going potentially over time?

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

I'm going to say 40% of our outpatient business comes through joint ventures. I have to check that number. Don't hold me to it, but I think that if I had to think about what it was, it's probably close to that. Where do we see it going? We see it growing on both sides. We have a pretty robust acquisition pipeline for small outpatient acquisitions that would not be partnered, and then we will certainly use opportunities to partner with large systems. Many

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Okay.

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

of those that we already have partnerships with and some new ones.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Okay, great.

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Thank you, A.J.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Justin Bowers with Deutsche Bank. Your line is now open.

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

All right. Thank you for squeezing me back in. Just wanted to follow up on two things. With the LTAC pipeline, is that you know, how does that look with your kinda traditional hospital-in-hospital model versus like new builds is the first question, and then I wanted to follow up on Concentra.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah. Justin, could you repeat that question just so we understand?

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Yeah. I'm just in terms of the LTAC pipeline, like if you look at the portfolio now, it's mostly hospital and hospital. You've done a couple, you know, a little bit of a mix in the back half of this year. I'm just as you look forward, you know, looking ahead in your pipeline and kind of the deals that you have, is it more of that traditional hospital and hospital, or is it, you know, is it going to be more kinda new builds or, you know, freestanding?

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah. Justin. Yeah. Thanks for specifying that. Yeah. It is all associated with, for the most part, HIHs.

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

You know, depending on the circumstances, I mean, we may do a new build, but for the most part, we're very focused on HIHs.

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Just wanted to circle back to Concentra again, just because I think this has been, in terms of volumes, it's probably a record quarter for you guys. I was wondering if you could just give us a little more color on some of the strength that you're seeing, where that's coming from. You know, as we think about 4Q, there's usually a little seasonality of the business.

How should we think about kind of the you know. Is some of that strength going to overcome some of the typical seasonality? What are kind of the puts and takes as we think about 4Q with the business?

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Well, Concentra right now is pretty much hitting on all cylinders. I mean, they with the return of employment, they're seeing a lot more of their pre-employment stuff. As more people are working, you're seeing more injuries.

They continue to have some testing. You know, that business has, I mean, just look at the numbers. It's just been incredibly strong. They also do a very good job on M&A picking up new locations and new centers. All the fundamentals in the Concentra business are there and are strong. We, you know, we continue to be pretty bullish on the performance of Concentra.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Yeah. Justin, what we've seen is when you go into the specific areas, we've seen growth in hospitality. We've seen growth in airlines. We've seen growth in the schools coming back online and actually state and local governments coming back online. Those areas, you know, were pretty dormant over the past year, but we've seen some nice increases there.

Justin Bowers
Equity Research Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay. Got it. It sounds like part recovery, part picking up share as well. Okay. That's all I got. Thanks so much.

Martin Jackson
EVP and CFO, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Great. Thanks, Justin.

Operator

I am showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the conference back to the management for their closing remarks.

Robert Ortenzio
Executive Chairman and Co-Founder, Select Medical Holdings Corporation

Thanks, everybody, for joining us, and we look forward to talking to you next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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