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Earnings Call: Q3 2020

Nov 5, 2020

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust Q3 earnings announcement conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star one on your telephone. Please be advised today's conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star zero. I would now like to turn the call over to your speaker today, Doris Baughan , Senior Vice President, General Counsel, and Secretary. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Doris Baughan
SVP of General Counsel and Secretary, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you. Good morning, welcome to Choice Properties Q3 2020 conference call. I'm joined here this morning by Rael Diamond, President and Chief Executive Officer, Mario Barrafato, Chief Financial Officer, and Anna Radic, Executive Vice President, Leasing and Operations. Before we begin today's call, I'd like to remind you that by discussing our financial and operating performance and in responding to your questions, we may make forward-looking statements, including statements regarding Choice Properties objectives, strategies to achieve those objectives, as well as statements with respect to management's beliefs, plans, estimates, intentions, outlook, and similar statements concerning anticipated future events, results, circumstances, performance, or exceptions that are not historical facts. These statements are based on our current estimates and assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the conclusions in these forward-looking statements.

Additional information on the material risks that can impact our financial results and estimates and the assumptions that we are made in applying in making these statements can be found in the recently filed Q3 2020 financial statements and management's discussion and analysis, which are available on our website and on SEDAR. I will now turn the call over to Rael.

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you, Doris, good morning, everyone. Thank you for taking the time to join our Q3 conference call. We are pleased with both our financial and operational results for the quarter, which reflects solid earnings, increased rent collections, and the resumption of investment activity. The strength of our quarter must be tempered by the ongoing impact of the COVID-19 pandemic and the risk that this represents to our business. We continue to take thoughtful actions to mitigate the effects of the pandemic on our business operations while focusing on the best interests of our employees, tenants, and other stakeholders. Our diversified portfolio is well occupied at 97% and is leased to high-quality tenants across Canada. As I mentioned last quarter, the pandemic has had the most notable impact on our retail assets. At Choice, we're in a solid position given the makeup of our portfolio.

Our retail assets are primarily leased to grocery stores, pharmacies, and other necessity-based tenants who continue to perform well. Beyond retail, we also own high-quality industrial, office, and residential properties in Canada's largest markets. This diversification enables us to further reduce risk and stabilize cash flows. Before Mario discusses our financial results and balance sheet, I wanted to spend a moment discussing transaction activities. We are pleased with the resumption of investment activity since the start of the pandemic. Capital recycling is a continued focus for Choice as we look to improve the overall quality of our portfolio. Since the end of the prior quarter, we've completed or entered into agreements to dispose of CAD 341 million of properties and to acquire CAD 334 million of new properties. That's over CAD 675 million of transactions. I would like to highlight a few transactions. First, on dispositions.

In October, we sold a 50% non-managing interest in a retail portfolio for CAD 151 million. The portfolio included 10 grocery-anchored retail assets totaling 591,000 sq ft, with the purchaser having the option to acquire an additional three assets for an additional CAD 50 million. The portfolio is a mix of standalone and multi-tenant assets that are all anchored by Loblaw on long-term leases and located in secondary and tertiary markets. The purchaser is a passive institutional investor, and we will retain management of the asset, providing us with incremental fee income through property management and asset management. This is an excellent transaction for Choice and provides potential for a longer-term disposition pipeline with an aligned joint venture partner. We also entered into agreements to sell two additional retail portfolios for CAD 107 million.

The first portfolio consists of three standalone Canadian Tire assets that we agreed to sell for proceeds of CAD 64 million. The second portfolio consists of five assets anchored by Loblaw that we agreed to sell for proceeds of CAD 43 million. All eight of these assets are located in secondary and tertiary markets. Collectively, these dispositions highlight the liquidity in our existing portfolio at pricing above our IFRS values. Overall, we're encouraged by the interest from institutional partners and the strong pricing for our retail assets, both of which speak to the high quality of our assets. Next, on acquisitions. As we previously announced, we acquired two assets from Wittington for CAD 209 million. This includes the Weston Centre, a multi-tenant office and retail asset that includes a Loblaw grocery store at grade.

Located at the intersection of Yonge Street and St. Clair, this asset is exceptionally well located and is the current head office for Choice. We also acquired the remaining ownership interest in West Block, a mixed-use site that includes retail anchored by a Loblaw grocery store and office space above. We are in the process of completing this development and transferred the first phase of the project to income-producing status this quarter. Subsequent to quarter end, we acquired a high-quality industrial portfolio for a total of CAD 86 million.

The portfolio is comprised of four cross-dock facilities in vector markets and represents a significant land holding of 56 acres. Of note, we are excited by the opportunity to add a core 27-acre holding in Mississauga, Ontario. These assets are 100% leased to a national logistics company with a weighted average lease term of nearly 14 years and with strong contractual rent steps.

These acquisitions speak to our ability to generate stable and growing net operating income through strategic acquisitions. They also highlight our strength in sourcing high-quality investments, both through existing related party and off-market opportunities. Overall, these transactions are consistent with our ongoing commitment to strengthening our balance sheet by improving the quality of our portfolio, providing further diversification, and reducing our overall leverage. On the development front, our program continues to progress well. There were no significant delays as a result of the pandemic, and our team continues to make progress on our ongoing projects. In the quarter, we completed and transferred six development projects for approximately 193,000 sq ft of GLA at our share. This represents a total development cost of CAD 83 million and includes the final phase of our Great Plains industrial development in Calgary.

This final building is 73,000 sq ft at our share and is a new generation industrial building that is 100% leased on a 10-year term. Taken collectively, we are very active on improving our portfolio in the quarter. I would now like to pass the call over to Mario to provide an update on our financial performance. Mario?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you, Rael. Good morning, everyone. I'll begin with a brief overview of our rent collections and then speak to our financial results and balance sheet activity. Rent collection for the third quarter was approximately 98%, up from 89% for Q2 and 86% on April 1st. The improvement in rent collections reflects a combination of opening up the economy and the effectiveness of rent relief measures, which have supported our tenants throughout these unprecedented times. Continuing with rent collections, for the quarter, we've reported a bad debt expense of CAD 4.7 million, the majority of which relates to abatements for tenants participating in CECRA. This expense is down considerably from the CAD 14.6 million reported in the second quarter. In terms of accounts receivable, we provided additional disclosure in our MD&A, which accounts for tenant billings in the previous two quarters.

From this, you can see that almost all of our AR has either been collected, deferred pursuant to deferral arrangements, or provided against, leaving a negligible amount exposed to additional credit loss. Our reported funds from operations for the third quarter was CAD 169.2 million. This was a relatively clean quarter, with the exception of the CAD 4.7 million bad debt expense I referred to earlier, which is offset by CAD 1.9 million of non-recurring revenue related to lease surrender income and final tenant billings for 2019. On a per unit diluted basis, our Q3 FFO was CAD 0.238 per unit, compared to CAD 0.25 in the third quarter of 2019. The declines in FFO per unit for the current period were primarily due to the bad debt expense and operating at lower leverage than the comparative quarter.

Reflected in our per unit amounts is a higher number of units outstanding as a result of the units issued this quarter as consideration to acquire the West Block development and our head office at 22 St. Clair from Wittington. Excluding the previously noted bad debt expense, our operating performance was stable. Quarter end occupancy increased to 97%, with retail occupancy at 97.5%, industrial occupancy at 96.6%, and office occupancy at 92.9%. The positive absorption of 88,000 sq ft during the quarter primarily related to our Ontario industrial portfolio. We had a temporary vacancy in Q2 at an industrial facility in the GTA West that was quickly backfilled with a new long-term lease with rents higher than the previous tenant. This speaks to the strength of the leasing market for our industrial product.

The increase in occupancy translated into same asset cash NOI growth of 1.2% year-over-year when excluding bad debt expense. This growth reflects the annual step rents embedded within the Loblaw portion of the portfolio, as well as incremental cash generated from leasing activity over the last 12 months. Turning to the balance sheet. For the quarter, we reported an increase to the fair value of our investment properties of CAD 18 million. The increase was related to the positive revaluation to our GTA Large Bay industrial portfolio and gains realized on disposition transactions. This was offset by a macro downward adjustment to the value of our office properties associated with the recent increase in sublet space on the market. We continue to take actions to strengthen our financial position and support our business with an industry-leading balance sheet.

This is evidenced with the issuance of equity to acquire two assets from Wittington earlier in Q3 as we increased our net asset value and reduced our leverage. We had very little finance activity in the quarter as the early redemption in the second quarter of two of our debentures maturing in early 2021 has left us with no significant debt maturities until September of 2021. Over the course of 2020, we have significantly improved our balance sheet by reducing our risk profile and improving our financial flexibility. This includes extending our weighted average term of debt, lowering our weighted average interest rate, and maintaining over CAD 1.4 billion undrawn on our credit facility, giving us ample liquidity in addition to approximately CAD 12 billion of unencumbered assets that we can finance or prune to raise capital.

In the quarter, DBRS upgraded our credit rating to triple B high, reflecting the strength of our credit. Overall, with our low debt level, our high liquidity level, and our upgraded investment-grade credit rating, we believe we are well-positioned to manage the current challenging environment. I'd now like to turn the call back to the operator for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Just a reminder, in order to ask a question, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Sam Damiani of TD Securities. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just to start off, we've seen the REIT acquire some office assets and some industrial assets. Just wondering, when you look at the market today, clearly the biggest dislocation arguably is in the retail space. Just wondering what the appetite is for adding more multi-tenant retail in the major markets?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, Sam. If it's well located, good tenant roster, we would love to add that product as well to our portfolio. There's just not a lot of that on the market at the moment, because I think it's held by parties that are generally well-capitalized, and I don't think they're going to be selling. We just don't see much activity.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Just looking at the balance sheet, you guys have done a great job since the CREIT acquisition in reducing leverage and terming out debt. How far do you want to go, just in terms of how we think about the next couple of years? Should we assume that de-leveraging is going to be maintained as a priority?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Hey, Sam. I don't know if it'll be a priority. I think directionally, we'd like to get lower. If we have opportunity to issue equity or sell assets at reasonable pricing, we'd do so. For right now, I think the goal was to stretch out our debt ladder and take advantage of the pricing we're getting in the unsecured debt market. Again, I think it's the next few years, you look at it, I think just being disciplined and conservative and really set us up to when we start ramping up our development program.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Last question is on the residential side. I guess twofold. How is VIA 123 performing with the pandemic? Any impact there? Is it too early to get any sense of the market demand for the units at 390 Dufferin?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, Sam, it's Rael. VIA 123, we have seen some increase in vacancy. I think it's trended towards about 90%, but the rents have actually held in quite well. At 390 Dufferin, it is too soon. We've just opened a leasing office, I think over the last month, but it's a little soon. There's been good interest from what I hear, but still too soon.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Thanks. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes the line of Mark Rothschild of Canaccord. Your line is open.

Mark Rothschild
Analyst, Canaccord

Thanks. Good morning, guys.

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Hey, Mark.

Mark Rothschild
Analyst, Canaccord

Whereas early this year, everyone pretty much stopped the disposition activity just as the pandemic picked up. The talk from most of your peers lately has been on resuming selling non-core assets. I'm not asking you to speak for your peers, but you guys are probably the first to actually be active in getting some things done in selling. Were these generally transactions that you had been working on earlier, or do you feel that maybe you just moved quicker in starting things up again, and can you just talk about how this came about?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yes. Sorry, Mark. The institutional partner we had been working with for a while, but the pricing basically never changed through the pandemic. The other two really started, I would say, they started doing due diligence during the pandemic. There's still a strong interest for our product and people still continue to reach out to us.

Mark Rothschild
Analyst, Canaccord

Okay, great. It seems like strengthening the balance sheet further is not something that is a top priority that has to be done today, and it's more of a long-term plan. Can you just talk about if there's any interest right now from you guys in selling into some of your long-term development assets, selling partial interest? Clearly, some of these are extremely long-term projects that probably wouldn't produce any cash flow for more than five years, in some cases even longer. Do you view that as an opportunity to generate more cash in the near term?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Mark, we have a wonderful position because we don't have the density on our balance sheet. That's the first thing. What we really focused on is getting the entitlement and trying to create as much value through that entitlement process ourselves. Then as it comes closer to execution, we will likely bring in a partner for a phase of some of the projects. What the partner will help bring, obviously, is not only capital, but they'll bring expertise because we don't have the full in-house capabilities to go through the full development or construction process ourselves. It's something we're going to look at, but when we closer to construction, not very far out.

Mark Rothschild
Analyst, Canaccord

Okay, great. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Himanshu Gupta of Scotiabank. Your line is open.

Himanshu Gupta
Analyst, Scotiabank

Thank you and good morning.

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Good morning.

Himanshu Gupta
Analyst, Scotiabank

Just on the industrial portfolio acquisition for CAD 86 million, how competitive was the acquisition process? Any details, what is the going-in cap rate? Can you specify the markets where these properties are located?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

You're referring to the industrial portfolio that we purchased?

Himanshu Gupta
Analyst, Scotiabank

That is correct. The four properties that you purchased for CAD 86 million. What was the cap rate? Anything, in terms of the markets, where the markets are, what kind of growth opportunity, rent growth opportunity you have on that?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. Himanshu, it was actually off-market. It actually was an existing tenant of ours that the individual who runs our office and industrial group is very close with the tenant, and the tenant actually had spoken to him about the opportunity. It was purely off-market. We love the investment because we really view it as a long-term land play for redevelopment. It's primarily GTA is the bulk of the portfolio, is in the GTA. It's all gateway. The cap rate was just sub 5%, and there's above market rent steps in the lease term.

Himanshu Gupta
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got it. Do you think this will be the focus going forward as well, in terms of acquiring more industrial properties and perhaps monetize on some of the non-core retail assets?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, every year or every quarter, we look to recycle assets, and we'll continue to look for good opportunities to do so. We'll do it across all asset classes.

Himanshu Gupta
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got it. With respect to the dispositions, that 50% interest for CAD 151 million, just wondering, did the buyer approach you guys or that was a marketed process as well? What are the prospects for asset management or property management fee there? Do you expect to further grow this fee-bearing business for you?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. Again, it actually came through a broker who had approached us and we like this potential partner because we think there's an opportunity to further grow this relationship. It's initially CAD 150 million. They have an option for another CAD 50 million, and hopefully we can keep expanding it to grow their fee platform as you spoke about.

Himanshu Gupta
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got you. Does the buyer have the option to purchase the remaining 50% at any point of time?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

No. We liked the portfolio. We view it as a long-term ownership portfolio with them.

Himanshu Gupta
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got it. Okay.

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Sorry. There'd be normal liquidity rights in the partnership, but the intention is to own it on a long-term basis, 50/50.

Himanshu Gupta
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got it. Just turning on the retail portfolio, I think you disclosed the restaurants and the fitness tenants. They account for roughly 10% of the retail portfolio. The question is, are any of these tenants coming up for renewal next year? Do you expect any pressure on market rents with respect to these type of tenants, which might have been impacted due to COVID?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

You're referring to the restaurants and then fitness. Look, restaurants are about 5% of our-

Anna Radic
EVP of Leasing and Operations, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

5%.

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

It's 5% of our retail portfolio, and half of it's quick service and half of it's sit-down. I don't think there are any major expiries over the next 12 months. Remember, there are lots of very small locations. In fitness, it's about 1%. In the disclosure, we had grouped the categories, but fitness is about 1%. Anna, you want to expand?

Anna Radic
EVP of Leasing and Operations, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I also want to say that, yeah, our average restaurant tenants are usually 5,000 sq ft, 7,000 sq ft at max, and those would be the sit-downs. The majority of QSRs are considerably smaller, and there's no material role in that sector. In the fitness as well, we actually don't have any material role. We renewed GoodLife in several locations this year, and as part of our negotiations with them as we provided them small rent abatements through 2020, we've extended the leases with them in many locations. We've actually extended the term with these tenants.

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I just want to clarify. In the disclosure, it was fitness and other personal services. Fitness would represent 1% of that. Included in that would be medical, health, wellness, and other tenants.

Himanshu Gupta
Analyst, Scotiabank

Sure. Thanks for clarifying that. Maybe just final question from me. What kind of same property NOI growth do you expect in 2021 in the retail portfolio, especially in the context that not much leases are coming for renewals next year?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Hey, Himanshu. Right now, this year we were looking at before bad debt expense hitting about 1.5%. Last year we were over 2%, with some of the rollover that is not COVID related, just naturally tenants kind of moving and expanding their spaces or shrinking their spaces. I think for next year, given potentially the continued effect of what's happened in the power centers in our portfolio. I think we're probably looking at the lower end, maybe closer to 1%, same-asset NOI . Just, again, without bad debts if there's going to be any tenant solvency issues, we'll have to deal with that when it comes. Right now, I think we're targeting just below 1%.

Himanshu Gupta
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got it. Sorry, one just final follow-up from me on the dispositions. I think where you mentioned in the remarks that they were done above the IFRS value. Just wondering, were any of these assets written down in Q2 when you took these portfolio-wide write-downs in Q2?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

No, I don't believe they were.

Himanshu Gupta
Analyst, Scotiabank

Okay. Thank you. Thank you, guys. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes on the line of Tal Woolley of National Bank Financial. Your line is open.

Tal Woolley
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Hi. Good morning, everybody.

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Morning.

Anna Radic
EVP of Leasing and Operations, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Morning.

Tal Woolley
Analyst, National Bank Financial

You're sort of major way through the stretch of the pandemic fairly easily. It's obviously been a lot of work, but your results have held up nicely. As you sort of think back over the last six to nine months, is there anything you sort of found in the portfolio or the strategy that you guys are pursuing, that you are sort of looking to change, in light of the pandemic? I'm thinking maybe something like the target asset class mix in the portfolio, things like that.

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Truthfully, Tal, we don't think there are any major strategic changes based on the pandemic. We're very comfortable with the types of assets we own. We love the diversified nature of the portfolio. We're really bullish on necessity-based retail. Our industrial is performing very well. The type of office we own, even though a lot of tenants are working from home, they've still had higher occupancy through the pandemic, and we continue to see higher occupancy. We continue to see more and more people back in the building. Overall, there's nothing major that we would change. In fact, it's probably reinforced our strategy and ownership of the mix of assets.

Tal Woolley
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. You sort of mentioned, in terms of your balance sheet, you'd certainly be open to continue to work down the leverage before you sort of more aggressively accelerate the development. Is there a right number we should be thinking about in terms of where you'd like to see that leverage drop?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Hey, Tal. We don't have a number, right? We had the number of 7.5 when we first started this about a year and a half ago. Really right now, we're more focused directionally. We don't want to see it have a run rate higher than 7.5. Ideally, yeah, probably directionally to the low sevens, I think where we'd like to go. Our focus was really to get the liquidity balance of the debt maturity profile, and de-risk the portfolio. Now that we're there, if we have the ability to delever, we will, but there's no priority in the near term.

Tal Woolley
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. Then just lastly, on the Wittington asset acquisitions, are you able to provide a pro forma cap rate on those deals?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

It was between five and a half and six.

Tal Woolley
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. Perfect. Thanks very much, gentlemen.

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you.

Anna Radic
EVP of Leasing and Operations, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes the line of Pammi Bir of RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks, good morning. Just maybe coming back to the dispositions. I'm curious, are you seeing more inbound inquiries perhaps from new partners, or has there really not been much change there?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

We have seen some increase in inbound inquiries.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Would any of that be perhaps for any of, I guess, the non-Loblaw anchored or traditional power centers, in the portfolio?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I think the inbounds are more focused on where it's truly a necessity-based asset. It doesn't necessarily have to be a Loblaw anchor. It could be the other major retailers. People like the stability.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Right. Okay. Thanks for that. Then just maybe coming back to the comments on the office portfolio, and I guess you made some comments on the sublet side. Can you talk about what you're seeing in your portfolio from a sublet standpoint and maybe just some of the conversations that you're having with respect to tenants in the office portfolio for upcoming renewals?

Anna Radic
EVP of Leasing and Operations, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. Hi, Pammi. We have seen an uptick in the availability of sublease space in our buildings as well, kind of similar to the market. Our vacancy rate or availability rate is quite low in our Toronto portfolio, our Vancouver portfolio, even our Montreal portfolio, I think. Calgary is an outlier. We actually have no sublease space, ironically, in Calgary, and our availability is pretty much in line with the market. That's less a COVID-19 issue. Our availability in Toronto is still sub 4%. The majority of the subleases that we have are for longer terms, typically, 5+ years is the length of term on these spaces. They do compete to some extent with our direct space. It's not a huge concern, relatively speaking to us in the portfolio.

In terms of discussions with tenants, interestingly enough, we had a recent scenario where we had a large tenant who had an option to terminate or surrender a portion of their space, this would be a tenant over 100,000 sq ft. Through our conversations with them, they decided not to exercise that option, that was because they saw that their culture as an organization was really linked very closely to how they could bring their teams together and the collaboration that comes with being in an office space. We're seeing that in some cases, it varies, but I do think people are bringing more of their employees back. We're seeing it in our buildings across the country.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's great color. I guess maybe just one last one from an office standpoint. What sort of trends are you seeing on renewal rents?

Anna Radic
EVP of Leasing and Operations, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Actually, renewal rents are holding very firmly. If anything, retention has increased because tenants are less anxious to make a big change in a very uncertain environment. That's where there really hasn't been any downward pressure on renewal rents, with Calgary being the exception. It's always a little tougher out there.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Right. Got it. Thanks very much. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes to the line of Jenny Ma of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Morning, Jenny.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Back to the dispositions. It sounds like just based on the different structure versus the deal you did last year, this is a new JV partner, correct?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Correct.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Can you speak to whether or not this investor is a domestic or a foreign entity?

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

It's a domestic life insurance company.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, great. There was a question about the option for them to buy the other 50%, but I'm wondering if there's an option the other way for you to buy back the 50% and if there's any timeframe on this investment relationship.

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

There's no timeframe. We view this as a long-term partnership, and then as I said earlier, there'd just be normal liquidity rights.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, great. Turning to the provisions this quarter, it's improved materially from what you guys took in Q2. I'm just wondering with the Q3 number below CAD 5 million, did that include any truing up of Q2 numbers, or is that a clean Q3 figure?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

That would be a clean Q3 number. I think just over half was CECRA abatement related. The rest were just normal course provisions.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, great. On CECRA, did Choice offer it to your tenants for the full three months?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yes.

Anna Radic
EVP of Leasing and Operations, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Six months, actually.

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Sorry, yes.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Oh, sorry. Three months in Q3. Yes. The full six months of the program.

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, perfect. My last question is with October collections, just given that the CERS Program is sort of still in progress, what has the rent collection been like for some of your formerly CECRA tenants?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I don't know specifically with those tenants, but we're at the same levels, consistent with Q3. We're in the high 90s.

Jenny Ma
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Great. Thank you very much.

Operator

Just a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, it's star one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Sam Damiani of TD Securities. Your line is open.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Thanks. Just had a follow-up on the IFRS fair values. Given that the dispositions were at a premium and with the commentary around the gain recognized in Q3, sounds like that pickup might not have been as insignificant. I'm just wondering if you think the longer interest rates stay at these levels, that cap rates are going to have to reflect that and we'll see some fair value gains in long-term leased assets like the ones that you own?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

That's a great question, Sam. I think so. I haven't had anybody agree with me yet, but I do think that where you have long-term leases with investment-grade tenants and they're long-term and you have the bond rate where it is, at some point there has to be a value shift. Maybe over time, I think that asset becomes more valuable. I think that on the long-term leases and the long-term tenancies, that's kind of where I think you'll see it. I think everything else, the market still has to play out. We're just waiting for kind of objective data, and there's not a lot of data points right now on the remaining portfolio.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Could you comment specifically on the dispositions this quarter as to where the sale prices were relative to IFRS?

Mario Barrafato
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I don't have specifics, but it'd be healthy single digits.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

That's helpful. Thank you very much.

Operator

There are no further questions in the queue at this time. I turn the call back to the presenters for any closing remarks they may have.

Rael Diamond
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

We want to thank everyone for joining us on today's call. Please do all you can to stay healthy and be safe. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.