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Earnings Call: Q1 2018

Apr 26, 2018

Operator

Good morning. My name is Tiffany, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust first quarter results conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. Thank you. Kim Lee, you may begin your conference.

Kim Lee
Investor Relations Contact, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you, Tiffany. Good morning, and welcome to our first quarter 2018 conference call. The call is also being webcast simultaneously on our website at choicereit.ca, where you will also find a copy of our Q1 summary information package that we will be referring to on this call. I'm joined here this morning by John Morrison, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Bart Munn, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin today's call, I want to remind you that by discussing our financial and operating performance and responding to your questions, we may make forward-looking statements, including statements concerning Choice Properties objectives, its strategies to achieve those objectives, as well as statements with respect to management's beliefs, plans, estimates, intentions, outlooks, and similar statements concerning anticipated future events, results, circumstances, performance, or expectations that are not historical facts.

These statements are based on our current estimates and assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from the conclusions in these forward-looking statements. Additional information on the material risks that could impact our actual results and the estimates and assumptions we applied in making these statements can be found in the 2017 annual report and management's discussion and analysis related thereto, together with our Choice Properties annual information form, and are all available on our website and on SEDAR. I will now turn it over to John.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you, Kim. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our conference call. I'm going to start with an overview of the quarter, and Bart will follow with a presentation of the financials. After that, we'll open it up for questions. This July, Choice Properties will celebrate its fifth anniversary. Since our IPO, we have built a strong and stable business. From a standing start, we established an efficient business platform, continually acquired properties to expand our portfolio, and created value-add development capacity, whereby we invested capital and constructed new commercial space at very attractive returns. We have laid the groundwork for future growth and to solidify our position as a leading REIT. As part of our aspiration to be Canada's best real estate company, this February, we announced our intention to acquire Canadian REIT.

This transaction, which we expect to close next week on May 4th, was made possible because of the growth and success that Choice Properties has delivered over the past five years. Our progress this quarter is a reflection of the strength of our operations. We delivered another quarter of growth with a 2.3% increase in organic net operating income, driven by the underlying fundamentals of our real estate business. Let me now provide you with more details of our achievements for the quarter. This quarter, we successfully acquired five properties from third-party vendors for an aggregate purchase price of CAD 29.4 million before transaction costs. Together, they add approximately 91,000 sq ft of gross leasable area to our portfolio and opportunities for future development. On slide number five of our summary information package, we present the 32,000 sq ft of new GLA we constructed during the quarter.

Construction during the quarter contributed to the 81,000 sq ft of new GLA completed towards our 2018 objective of 366,000 sq ft. These completions provided a 16,000 sq ft Shoppers Drug Mart in Toronto and 19 new retail spaces for ancillary tenants in Alberta, Ontario, and Quebec. These projects represent a total capital investment of approximately CAD 28 million and yield returns ranging from 7%-8%. We continue to improve rental rates as we maintain solid occupancy for our ancillary space. During the quarter, we entered into binding commitments totaling approximately 153,000 sq ft. Of these leases, renewals accounted for 49,000 sq ft, representing a renewal retention rate of 59.6%. The average base rent for renewing leases increased 7.2%. Our new developments and active management continue to drive a positive trend for our average ancillary rental rate.

As at the end of the quarter, the average base rent for ancillary space was CAD 15.41 per sq ft, and this compares to CAD 14.42 per sq ft as reported in Q1 2017, and represent a 6.9% increase year-over-year. Overall, we continue to maintain our total portfolio with high occupancy rates at 98.8%, relatively flat compared to that of the end of 2017. With that, I will turn the call over to Bart to provide you with a review of the financials for the quarter.

Bart Munn
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. I refer you to slide nine of our presentation materials, where you'll find selected financial results for the first quarter. As of March 31st, 2018, Choice Properties portfolio comprised of 548 properties with a total gross leasable area of 44.2 million sq ft. Under IFRS, Choice Properties investment properties were valued at approximately CAD 9.7 billion, based on a weighted average cap rate of 6.07%, flat compared to year-end of 2017. For the quarter, rental revenue was CAD 215 million, and net operating income was CAD 149.8 million, 5.7% and 5.2% higher than in Q1 2017, respectively. On a same property, same GLA basis, organic net operating income increased to CAD 145.1 million, or by 2.3% from Q1 2017. This increase was primarily a result of step rents in Loblaw leases and higher average rents per square foot on ancillary leases.

Adjusted general and administrative expenses for the quarter were CAD 5.3 million, compared to CAD 4 million in Q1 2017. Internal leasing expenses and adjustment to fair value of unit-based compensation have been excluded from adjusted G&A expense. The ratio of adjusted G&A expense to total revenue was 2.5%, in line with our expected annual run rate. Funds from operations for the quarter were CAD 105.7 million or CAD 0.255 per diluted unit compared to CAD 108.8 million or CAD 0.264 per diluted unit in Q1 2017. The year-over-year decrease in FFO was largely due to increased interest and other financing charges related to the expected CREIT transaction and debt refinancing, respectively. Excluding these items, FFO and FFO per unit increased 2% and 1.5%, respectively. Our adjusted cash flow from operations was CAD 83.6 million, compared to CAD 90.8 million for the first quarter of 2017.

With total distributions declared of CAD 76.5 million or CAD 0.185 per unit for Q1, our payout ratio for the quarter was 91.5%. This compares to 80.3% for Q1 2017. Excluding the financing charge, as I mentioned earlier, our payout ratio was 86% and within our current target payout range of approximately 85%. During the quarter, we issued senior unsecured debentures, Series I through L, raising a total of CAD 1.95 billion. The net proceeds of Series K and L are held in escrow pending the completion of the acquisition of CREIT. At the end of the quarter, our debt to total assets was 51.9%, our service coverage ratio was 3.5 times, and our weighted average term to maturity on our senior unsecured debentures was 6.1 years. Excluding Series K and L, our debt to asset ratio would have been 45.4%. Let me turn it over to John to provide closing remarks.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks, Bart. As I mentioned at the outset, we have built a strong and stable business. Our acquisition of CREIT is expected to further strengthen our position and form Canada's-

Operator

Good morning. My name is Tiffany, I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust first quarter results conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. Thank you. Kim Lee, you may begin your conference.

Kim Lee
Investor Relations Contact, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you, Tiffany. Good morning and welcome to our first quarter 2018 conference call. This call is also being webcast simultaneously on our website at choicereit.ca where you will also find a copy of our Q1 summary information package that we will be referring to on this call. I'm joined here this morning by John Morrison, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Bart Munn, Chief Financial. Before we begin today's call, I want.

Operator

Good morning. My name is Tiffany, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust First Quarter Results Conference Call. Good morning. My name is Tiffany, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust First Quarter Results Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. Thank you. Kim Lee, you may begin your conference.

Kim Lee
Investor Relations Contact, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you, Tiffany. Good morning and welcome to our first quarter 2018 conference call. This call is also being webcast simultaneously on our website at choicereit.ca, where you will also find a copy of our Q1 summary information package that we will be referring to on this call. I'm joined here this morning by John Morrison, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Bart Munn, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin today's call, I want to remind you that by discussing our financial and operating performance and in responding to your questions, we may make forward-looking statements, including statements concerning Choice Properties objectives, its strategies to achieve those objectives, as well as statements with respect to management's beliefs, plans, estimates, intentions, outlooks, and similar statements concerning anticipated future events, results, circumstances, performance, or expectations that are not historical facts.

These statements are based on our current estimates and assumptions and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from the conclusions in these forward-looking statements. Additional information on the material risks that could impact our actual results and the estimates and assumptions we applied in making these statements can be found in the 2017 annual report and management's discussion and analysis related thereto, together with our Choice Properties annual information form, and are all available on our website and on SEDAR. I will now turn it over to John.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you, Kim. Good morning, everyone, thank you for joining our conference call. I'm going to start with an overview of the quarter, Bart will follow with a presentation of the financials. After that, we'll open it up for questions. This July, Choice Properties will celebrate its fifth anniversary. Since our IPO, we have built a strong and stable business. From a standing start, we established an efficient business platform, continually acquired properties to expand our portfolio, and created value-add development capacity, whereby we invested capital and constructed new commercial space at very attractive returns. We have laid the groundwork for future growth and to solidify our position as a leading REIT. As part of our aspiration to be Canada's best real estate company, this February, we announced our intention to acquire Canadian REIT.

This transaction, which we expect to close next week on May 4th, was made possible because of the growth and success that Choice Properties has delivered over the past five years. Our progress this quarter is a reflection of the strength of our operations. We delivered another quarter of growth with a 2.3% increase in organic net operating income, driven by the underlying fundamentals of our real estate business. Let me now provide you with more details of our achievements for the quarter. This quarter, we successfully acquired five properties from third-party vendors for an aggregate purchase price of CAD 29.4 million before transaction costs. Together, they add approximately 91,000 sq ft of gross leasable area to our portfolio and opportunities for future development. On slide number five of our summary information package, we present the 32,000 sq ft of new GLA we constructed during the quarter.

Construction during the quarter contributed to the 81,000 sq ft of new GLA completed towards our 2018 objective of 366,000 sq ft. These completions provided a 16,000 sq ft Shoppers Drug Mart in Toronto and 19 new retail spaces for ancillary tenants in Alberta, Ontario, and Quebec. These projects represent a total capital investment of approximately CAD 28 million and yield returns ranging from 7%-8%. We continue to improve rental rates as we maintain solid occupancy for our ancillary space. During the quarter, we entered into binding commitments totaling approximately 153,000 sq ft. Of these leases, renewals accounted for 49,000 sq ft, representing a renewal retention rate of 59.6%. The average base rent for renewing leases increased 7.2%. Our new developments and active management continue to drive a positive trend for our average ancillary rental rate.

As at the end of the quarter, the average base rent for ancillary space was CAD 15.41 per sq ft, this compares to CAD 14.42 per sq ft as reported in Q1 2017 and represents a 6.9% increase year-over-year. Overall, we continue to maintain our total portfolio with high occupancy rates at 98.8%, relatively flat compared to that of the end of 2017. With that, I will turn the call over to Bart to provide you with a review of the financials for the quarter.

Bart Munn
CFO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks, John, and good morning, everyone. I refer you to slide nine of our presentation materials, where you will find selected financial results for the first quarter. As of March 31st, 2018, Choice Properties' portfolio comprised of 548 properties with a total gross leasable area of 44.2 million sq ft. Under IFRS, Choice Properties' investment properties were valued at approximately CAD 9.7 billion, based on a weighted average cap rate of 6.07%, flat compared to year-end of 2017. For the quarter, rental revenue was CAD 215 million, and net operating income was CAD 149.8 million, 5.7% and 5.2% higher than in Q1 2017 respectively. On a same property, same GLA basis, organic net operating income increased to CAD 145.1 million, or by 2.3% from Q1 2017. This increase was primarily a result of step rents in Loblaw leases and higher average rents per sq ft on ancillary leases.

Adjusted general and administrative expenses for the quarter were CAD 5.3 million, compared to CAD 4 million in Q1 2017. Internal leasing expenses and adjustment to fair value of unit-based compensation have been excluded from adjusted G&A expense. The ratio of adjusted G&A expense to total revenue was 2.5%, in line with our expected annual run rate. Funds from operations for the quarter were CAD 105.7 million, or CAD 0.255 per diluted unit, compared to CAD 108.8 million, or CAD 0.264 per diluted unit in Q1 2017. The year-over-year decrease in FFO was largely due to increased interest and other financing charges related to the expected CREIT transaction and debt refinancing respectively. Excluding these items, FFO and FFO per unit increased 2% and 1.5% respectively. Our adjusted cash flow from operations was CAD 83.6 million, compared to CAD 90.8 million for the first quarter of 2017.

With total distributions declared of CAD 76.5 million, or CAD 0.185 per unit for Q1, our payout ratio for the quarter was 91.5%. This compares to 80.3% for Q1 2017. Excluding the financing charge, as I mentioned earlier, our payout ratio was 86% and within our current target payout range of approximately 85%. During the quarter, we issued senior unsecured debentures, Series I through L, raising a total of CAD 1.95 billion. The net proceeds of Series K and L are held in escrow, pending the completion of the acquisition of CREIT. At the end of the quarter, our debt to total assets was 51.9%, our service coverage ratio was 3.5 times, and our weighted average term to maturity on our senior unsecured debentures was 6.1 years. Excluding Series K and L, our debt-to-asset ratio would have been 45.4%. Let me turn it over to John to provide closing remarks.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks, Bart. As I mentioned at the outset, we have built a strong and stable business. Our acquisition of CREIT is expected to further strengthen our position and form Canada's preeminent diversified REIT. The combination will provide us the scale and reach to leverage our best-in-class real estate platforms, improve stability through diversification of tenants and asset type, and an expanded development pipeline that offers unmatched opportunities to create value and drive continued growth for the long term. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the entire Choice Properties crew for their passion and dedication, and to congratulate them on five years of successfully executing on our strategy. I encourage them to take pride in their commitment to the highest quality standards and delivering outstanding results. Operator, we would be pleased to take questions.

Operator

At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, please press star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Sam Damiani with TD Securities. Your line is open.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Thank you. Good morning. Just on the acquisitions and dispositions. I recall last year you expected 2018 acquisitions on the property side to pick up. Any firm outlooks there? Also, with the merger coming up, any plans on the disposal side being firmed up?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Sam, it's John. We continue to look at acquisitions and will during the year. We did some acquisitions already in the first quarter of this year. We're working on some more. It goes without saying that we do have a pipeline of available properties from Loblaw, that will continue. With regard to dispositions, it's difficult for us to comment on that at this time, I'm sure there'll be further updates on that sort of thinking, in future quarters.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Maybe just one follow-up. On the West Block, the office space there is, I believe, fully committed. Could you just remind us, if you could, who the tenants are?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

The tenant is Loblaw Companies Limited.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. That's a firm lease?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yes, sir.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Thank you.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Loblaw.

Operator

Again, to ask a question, that is star followed by the number 1 on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Pammi Bir with Scotia Capital. Your line is open.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Thanks. Good morning. Just on the 2280 Dundas project, do you have some additional color that you could provide in terms of the mix of GLA, potential costs, and when we may actually see spending start on that particular project?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, we can give you some of the information. Let me pull it up here, Pammi. In terms of the Dundas Bloor site, we are planning on submitting an OPA to the city. It's a mix of residential and retail and office. These numbers are approximate. It'd be about 2,600 residential units, about 650,000 sq ft of commercial space. That includes both office and retail. The retail would be roughly 150.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Okay. Yep.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

The project, we expect to start physical construction in about two to three years. This project will be constructed over a 10-year period. It's in excess of CAD 1 billion.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Okay. Spending won't start till, I guess, in bigger amounts until about 2020.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, at the earliest. Yeah.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Yep. Okay. Just coming back to the CRE acquisition, has there been any change with respect to anticipated accretion or initial dilution, based on some of the financing that has been done to date?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Not at this point in time, no.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Okay. Do you have any additional thoughts with respect to leverage, going forward, post the completion of the transaction, and over what time you would target to get that down?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Well, I think, we've met with investors during this period of pre-close, we have communicated that over time, it is the intention to bring the leverage down. Ideally bring the payout ratio down as well. I can't put a timeframe to that.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Okay. Just last one for me. Just going back to, I guess, the aggregate development pipeline of, I guess, 60 sites that you've talked about previously. Any initial thoughts there with respect to potential density as you've looked across the combined portfolios? How would that impact the annual development spending going forward?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Well, these sites are all different, as you can appreciate. Some of them are mixed use in terms of taking retail down, building new retail, perhaps adding office, depending on the site, and adding residential. Some of them are just adding strictly residential as an adjacent site. There's a combination there. They're all different. We have a rough idea of what the overall density and square footage would be, but that's based on getting entitlements and what have you. It's not something that we really want to publicize because it's a bit of a moving target as well. It's substantial, let's put it that way. I think we've clearly articulated that.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Right. Just lastly on, have any of those sites-- what portion of those sites are actually zoned for-

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Well, they're all zoned.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, Scotia Capital

I mean for residential.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Oh. Well, I'd say less than 10% of them. We're in process on a whole number of sites.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Right. Okay.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I'm kind of guessing at 10%, to be honest with you.

Pammi Bir
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Okay. Thanks very much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Michael Smith with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Michael Smith
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thank you, and good morning. I just have a couple of questions on development. Just on the Bloor Dundas 2280, can you just give us a bit of color on the school and what agreements you have or what your thinking is on moving the school and what have you?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Certainly. The school, as it exists today, it's a school that's occupied by the Toronto Catholic District School Board. They occupy that building, and they have a land lease with the Toronto District School Board that is quite lengthy. Our discussions have been with the Catholic school board in terms of them relocating to another portion of the site, and constructing a new school, obviously under financial arrangements that are between ourselves and the school board. The process is underway, and involves certain municipal and regulatory and educational system approvals, which are underway right now. We're confident that this is going to happen. At the end of the day, the new occupant, being the Toronto Catholic District School Board, will have a brand-new facility, because I think their existing facility is very old and tired and requires a lot of capital.

It all makes sense to make this happen, and we're confident that it is going to happen. It's just we have to continue to go through the process with the school boards.

Michael Smith
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Sure. Yeah, no, I understood. It obviously makes a lot more sense to have it there adjacent to that new park that I've seen from your renderings.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Right.

Michael Smith
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Would the school be more or less the same size, or is that still?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

More or less.

Michael Smith
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

To be determined?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. More or less the same.

Michael Smith
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Just lastly, any updates on Golden Mile?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. Golden Mile, as you know, we filed an OPA last year. We have comments back from the city, which we're working through and are in constant dialogue with the city planning people. We have more or less finalized the retail component, which is phase 1, with Loblaw being the key tenant. We're hoping to ideally be in the ground on phase 1 sometime in 2019, 2020 at the latest.

Michael Smith
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Great. Thank you. That's it for me.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Okay.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Sam Damiani with TD Securities. Your line is open.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Thanks. Just back to the Dundas Bloor site. With the city, or I guess the Toronto District School Board owning the site on Bloor Street, are they going to retain an equity ownership in the new project, or are you buying that land? The second question is, in terms of the 10-year construction, how many phases is it broken up into, and what would be the first phase constructed and the last phase constructed?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

The answer to your first question is we would be buying the land and the school, and then they would be under a land lease on our property.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

The development is 100% on Choice's balance sheet as it stands today.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

I'm sorry, it'd be more of a swap, not a land lease. I'm sorry, what was your question?

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Just on the phasing of it over 10 years, what would be the first phase?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

We have to construct the retail commercial component first. It is kind of spread out through the project. The building that would be on Bloor Street towards the railway, which is the proposed location for Loblaws, that would be constructed first. Together, also, we would start constructing the location for the new school. That'd be kind of phase one, because obviously, both Loblaws and the school need to operate.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Right.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Once those buildings are completed and they've relocated, we take down the existing retail and we start to build out the balance of the project.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Most of the residential, it sounds like, will be later on?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. Well, the majority of it, but there will be a portion of residential that will sit over top of the Loblaw store. As that's constructed to accommodate Loblaw, the residential will be pretty much ready as well over top of that, because there's an underground parking component underneath the Loblaw store.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Of course. All right. Just back to Golden Mile, John, what's the plan now? Has it changed in terms of retaining the residential units as rental properties?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

any of them going condo?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

The plan right now is for purpose-built rental, particularly in that market.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Securities

Great. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Tal Woolley with National Bank Financial. Your line is open.

Tal Woolley
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Hi. Good morning. I apologize if there's any background noise. A fire alarm just started in my building. I just wanted to ask, first of all, in your conversations with Loblaw over the last year or so, how has the conversation shifted on the square footage growth of the core retail network? Traditionally, they've sort of been growing around 1%. In your conversations with them, how do you sort of see that going forward?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Well, we can't really comment on Loblaws. We're aware of their plans, but we can't really comment publicly on. That's up to Loblaw to talk about in terms of what their square footage plans are, their store openings, closings, et cetera. We continue to look to provide opportunities for them for their new store development plan. That's something that we discuss with them on a regular basis. It's not something that we would comment any further on in terms of what their plans are. That's not really up to us.

Tal Woolley
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. Just a follow-up, how much of new square footage sort of that's being added to the network is originating within Choice, would you say, versus Loblaw right now?

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

The majority is ancillary space that we're building. There may be one or two new Loblaw stores as part of our additional GLA build. That would include Shoppers Drug Mart as part of that as well. It's a combination of both of them.

Tal Woolley
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. That's perfect. Thank you very much.

Operator

I will now turn the conference back over to our presenters.

John Morrison
President and CEO, Choice Properties Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you, Tiffany, and thank you all for joining us this morning on our conference call, and we certainly look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Have a great day.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.