Welcome to Capital Power's Second Quarter 2020 Results Conference Call. This call is being recorded today, July 30, 2020. I'll now turn the call over to Mr. Randy Ma, the Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Good morning and thank you for joining us today to review Capital Power's Q2 2020 results, which we released earlier this morning. Our Q2 report and the presentation for this conference call are posted on our website at capitalpower.com. Joining me on the call is Brian Bageo, President and CEO and Brian DeNeve, who will be doing this last quarterly call as the CFO before moving on to his new role. We will start with opening comments and then open up the lines to take your questions. Before we start, I would like to remind everyone that certain statements about future events made on the call are forward looking in nature and are based on certain assumptions and analysis made by the company.
Actual results could differ materially from the company's expectations due to various risks and uncertainties associated with our business. Please refer to the cautionary statement on forward looking information on Slide 2. In today's discussion, we will be referring to various non GAAP financial measures as noted on Slide number 3. These measures are not defined financial measures according to GAAP and do not have standardized meanings prescribed by GAAP and therefore are unlikely to be comparable to similar measures used by other enterprises. These measures are provided to complement the GAAP measures, which are provided in the analysis of the company's results from management's perspective.
Reconciliations of these non GAAP financial measures to their nearest GAAP measures can be found in our Q2 2020 MD and A. I'll now turn the call over to Brian Vazjo for his remarks starting on Slide 4.
Thanks, Randy, and good morning. I'll start off with the highlights in the quarter. Overall, our Q2 results were solid and were in line with our expectations. With no material changes to our outlook, we are maintaining our financial guidance for 2020 that was announced at our Investor Day last December. Consistent with our annual dividend growth guidance, we've increased the common share dividend by 6.8% to $2.05 per year, which represents the 7th consecutive annual increase.
The dividend increase is effective with the Q3 2020 dividend. We are also maintaining our dividend guidance for a 7% annual increase in 2021 5% for 2022. And we're making very good progress on our renewable and growth strategy, which I'll discuss shortly. Finally, I'll comment on the changes in the alignment of the executive team that were announced this morning. In the last couple of months, we've announced 2 renewable development projects in Alberta as shown on Slide 5.
This includes Phase 3 of the Whitla Wind Facility that will add 54 megawatts in late 2021. And as expected, capital cost at an expected capital cost of $92,000,000 Construction activities and discussions for renewable optic agreements with commercial and industrial customers are occurring concurrently for Whitlaw 2 and 3. Once all three phases of the wind facility are completed at the end of 2021, it will be Alberta's largest wind facility with 353 megawatts of generation capacity. Today, we are announcing our 1st solar development project in Canada, the Strathmore solar project that will add 40.5 Megawatts in early 2022 with an expected capital cost of $50,000,000 to $55,000,000 We expect a portion of the output to be sold under renewable offtake contracts. The average annual adjusted EBITDA and AFFO for the Strathmore Solar are expected to be approximately $5,000,000 over the 1st 5 years.
Slide 6 shows the realigned capital power executive. I'll take a moment to introduce you to the new executives and comment on the significance of the realignment. On the far left, we have Kate Chisholm, who will continue in her role of Chief Sustainability Officer and we are adding planning to her responsibilities. We felt that our strategic planning needs to evolve to have more of an ESG lens. Next is Brian Deniv, who will return to the commercial business development role.
Brian has modified the structure to focus more clearly and efficiently on the commercial and growth initiatives. Sandra Haskins is promoted to Senior Vice President, Finance and Chief Financial Officer, who in her 18 year history with us has held all the major senior positions in the CFO area, including her recent position of Vice President and Treasurer. Many of you have met Sandra in the past as she is often pitch hit for Brian or I in investor meetings. Chris Gopekki is promoted to Senior Vice President and Chief Legal Officer. Chris joined us as a lawyer in the U.
S. 12 years ago, but for the last 5 years has headed up our U. S. Commercial and business development activities. In addition to the commercial sense Chris will bring to his new role, he will also bring us a U.
S. Perspective to our executive table. Jackie Polytheac adds culture and information technology to our existing people or human resources responsibility. Capital Power has an outstanding culture with excellent engagement. As we move into the new world of work, maintaining our culture will be critical, so highlighting it and aligning it with people is very important.
Information systems will be increasingly important to lever our employees' skill sets across the company. Darcy Trupan's role of Senior Vice President, Operations, Engineering and Construction will continue unchanged. For the past few months, we've drilled down into the organization to develop a more efficient and effective alignment, which has resulted in over 20 changes in roles and responsibilities and a net reduction of over 12 positions. This positions the organization very well for the coming years. I'll now turn the call over to Brian Deniv.
Thanks, Brian. I'll review the financial highlights starting on Slide 7. Overall, the Q2 financial results were in line with our expectations. Our trading desk captured an average realized power price of $53 per megawatt hour in the Q2 that was 77% higher than the average price of $30 per megawatt hour. The low power price in the second quarter reflected lower market demand from reduced oil and gas production and impacts from COVID-nineteen and softer pricing from a stable base load supply, strong hydro and wind generation and moderate temperatures.
In the Q2, we recorded $3,000,000 for the estimated net liability for the line loss rule proceeding that increased the overall provision to $18,000,000 The provision was updated to reflect updated information from the ISO. We expect the timing of the 3 invoice payments to begin in 2020 and continue into the first half of twenty twenty one. We have reinstated our dividend reinvestment plan, which was previously suspended in June 2015 to raise equity towards renewable development projects under construction. With respect to our credit ratings, both DBRS and SMP have now affirmed our investment grade credit rating in the past few months. On July 14, S and P affirmed our BBB low rating with a stable outlook, while DBRS affirmed our BBB low rating and stable outlook in their April 7 report.
Moving to Slide 8, revenues and other income in the Q2 were 435,000,000 dollars up 19% compared to the Q2 of 2019, mainly due to the acquisition of Gorway in June of 2019. Adjusted EBITDA was $217,000,000 up 14% year over year. That was largely driven by the acquisition of Goraway and Renewable Editions. Normalized earnings of $0.17 per share were up 21% compared to $0.14 per share in the Q2 of 2019. We generated $97,000,000 in AFFO that was 14% higher than the $85,000,000 in the Q2 of last year.
And AFFO per share was $0.92 up 12% from the Q2 of 2019. Slide 9 shows our financial performance in the first half of the year compared to the same period in 2019. Revenues and other income were $968,000,000 up 27% year over year due to the acquisition of GoAway and strong portfolio optimization revenues. Adjusted EBITDA was 451,000,000 dollars up 15% compared to 2019, primarily due to the acquisition of Goraway and renewable additions of Buckthorn, Cardinal Point and Whitwell Wind. Normalized earnings of $0.44 per share were unchanged from a year ago.
We continue to generate strong AFFO, including $215,000,000 in the 1st 6 months that was up 6% year over year. AFFO per share was $2.04 up 4% from the same period in 2019. Turning to Slide 10, I'll provide an update on our commercial portfolio positions. For the remainder of 2020, our base load generation is substantially hedged. At the end of June, we're 10% hedged for 2021 at an average contract price in the high $50 per megawatt hour range.
We expect liquidity to increase during the remainder of this year that will facilitate increased hedging for 2021. For 20222023, we're 16% and 11% hedged at an average contract price in the low $50 per megawatt hour range for both years. Current forward prices are in the low $50 per megawatt hour for 2,001 to 2023. I'll now turn the call back to Brian.
Brian, you might be on mute.
Thanks, Brian, and thanks, Randy. I'll review our 6 months performance versus our 2020 annual targets as shown on Slide 11. The average facility availability in the 1st 6 months is 92% compared to that 93% annual target. With most of our planned major outages already completed in the first half of the year and with the deferral of the Genesee II planned outage to 2021, we expect the average availability to be slightly above our target for 2020. Sustaining CapEx were $34,000,000 in the first half of the year with the deferral of the Genesee II outage.
We expect sustaining CapEx will be below the $90,000,000 to $100,000,000 annual target. We recorded $451,000,000 in adjusted EBITDA in the first half of the year versus the $935,000,000 to $985,000,000 target. Based on our current forecast, we expect the full year adjusted EBITDA to be above the midpoint of the range. We generated $215,000,000 of AFFO in the 1st 6 months compared to $500,000,000 to 550,000,000 dollars target range. We are on track to be near the midpoint of the AFFO range, excluding the impacts of the line loss we will proceeding.
Slide 12 outlines our development and construction targets for 2020. This includes the construction of 2 wind projects. We completed our Cardinal wind project on schedule in March and within the U. S. Dollar budget range.
Following the start of the commercial operations, we received $221,000,000 in net tax equity financing from 2 U. S. Financial institutions. Cardinal Point is now operating under a 12 year PPA for 85% of its output. The other wind project under construction is Whitlaw 2, which is currently tracking on budget and on schedule for commercial operations in the Q1 of 2021.
Moving to Slide 13, we have an annual target of $500,000,000 of committed capital for growth. Thus far this year, we've committed approximately $330,000,000 for growth. This includes the acquisition of Buck Floor and Wind in Texas with a 15 year weighted average contract remaining life and 2 renewable development projects in Alberta, Whitlow Wind 3 and the Strathmore solar project that I mentioned earlier. In summary, strong quarter and year to date operations and results are very good. Construction has gone very well and growth in renewables likewise has been very good thus far this year.
I'll now turn the call back over to Randy.
All right. Thanks, Brian. Carl, we're ready to start the question and answer session.
Certainly, sir. We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Maurice Choi from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Thank you and good morning. My first question is on the DRIP. Can you discuss your thought process on how you came about this position to reinstate the program recognizing, of course, that S and P reaffirm your BBB rating? As well, could you discuss your expectations as to what is the take up of this or how much equity you would expect to raise over the next 12 months?
Yes. We looked at reinstating the DRIP in the context of our ongoing development activity we have. So as Brian mentioned, Whitlot 2 and 3 are currently under construction, and we've now added Strathmore Solar. So in terms of that build out over the next year, we're going to be looking to finance that. But we also believe there's a number of potential opportunities out there that could be a good fit for Capital Power strategically.
So given the volatility of the markets, we felt it would be prudent to utilize the DRIP as a way to access some equity financing over that period. We anticipate about a 30% participation rate in it, which would generate about $16,000,000 of equity per quarter. So we don't see it as being hugely dilutive, but it does give us access to that equity sort of on a measured basis in what is a fairly volatile period.
And just a follow-up to that, as you mentioned volatile period, and I assume that one of the items include where the Alberta power price is at the moment. Should we see a recovery of that market? Should we then automatically assume that the DRIP would be turned off? Or is this a longer term and almost permanent feature of your sources of funding?
The answer to that, I think, is largely driven by the nature of the growth opportunities we see that become available over the next 12 to 18 months. We're not going to grow for growth sake. They have to fit with us strategically and meet our financial objectives. But again, we feel there will be a number of opportunities out there. We are pursuing a number of development opportunities that will require potentially higher financing than we've experienced previously to the extent we exceed our typical growth target.
So but to your point, if we see a strong recovery in Alberta prices, which is what our expectations are, certainly that will generate materially more cash flow and we would reevaluate the DRIP at that point in
time. Thanks. And my second question and this relates to obviously growth initiatives that you have, very quick succession of Whitla 3 and Strathmore Solar announcements alongside another renewable project by way of Buckthorn. Is this, I suppose, a trend that we should be looking at in terms of what's in your pipeline? Obviously, high contracted percentage for EBITDA purposes, but also predominantly renewable energy and the mixture of U.
S. And Alberta specifically?
So, in respect of the growth initiatives that we've been successful this year, I would say that is indicative of our development pipeline. We are finding that through increasing search for effective sites and efficient development sites, we've been fairly successful over the last year or so. And we do both Canada and the United States. So again, this is indicative of what you can expect over the next little while. We have found that we are tending to be increasingly competitive in the market in terms of delivering relatively low cost per megawatt hour.
Does that mean that thermal generation beyond obviously what you currently have in your portfolio, thermal generation is slightly lower in the pecking order, if not entirely off?
No, no, I wouldn't say that. I mean, it's a lot of it is dependent upon the results or the opportunities that we see in front of ourselves. Through the pandemic, a lot of the development activities have continued, whereas the number of opportunities to acquire midlife natural gas assets declined temporarily fairly significantly. So a lot of it is dependent upon the opportunities we see in front of us. Having said that, our general preference is to develop, build renewable projects.
The next question comes from David Quezada from Raymond James. Please go ahead.
My first question here, just a follow-up on Strathmore. I'm wondering if there's any color you could provide on the percentage of capacity that you'll look to contract there. And wondering if there's any potential for you to include Strathmore in contracting discussions on the Whitlaw projects that you're looking to find an offtaker for right now? And does the combination of those, the generation profile of those assets, is that like an avenue you could pursue?
So with those with the projects, there's a number of opportunities emerging in Alberta for longer term contracts with C and I customers. And they are all over the map in terms of time period, in terms of some of them want both wind and solar, some just want wind, some just want solar. And we believe our projects are competitive and what we've seen in the market confirms that. We have no target percentage on either of these projects, or I guess the 3, Whitlock 2 and 3 and Strathmore Solar. We have proceeded with those projects based on them meeting the hurdle rates for merchant generation in the province.
We felt that it needed to meet that standard, so that we were comfortable with them pursuing contracted opportunities around them. So again, we'll see what percentage we can get contracted on those facilities. But and again, we seem to be pretty competitive in the market right now. And but again, we have no specific target as to how much we want to have contracted. We obviously like them all to be 100% contracted and we'll see where we get to.
Okay, great. Thank you. That's helpful. Then just maybe one more for me.
Mr. Jarvi, your line is live. Please go ahead, sir.
Sorry, I had a bit of static, didn't hear that. Maybe just Brian Badri, can you just come back to the management shuffle and just talk a little bit about how that shapes your view on capital allocation and asset mix? And maybe just kind of elaborate a little bit more on sort of your renewed vision for where capital power is going in terms of capital deployment?
So in terms of capital deployment, Certainly, with a stronger focus on ESG and our commitment to the various areas of ESG does result in time some influence towards greater renewables, lower emissions profile, whether that be through carbon capture and storage or more carbon conversion or renewables, certainly we expect some growing direction from that perspective. And again, that's why we've reinforced that area and in fact given it significantly more focus in the organization. But it doesn't it's not reflected of a more immediate change in terms of capital allocation. What it does signal though is that we believe that we will be more efficient and effective as we go forward. Of course, we believe we were again very efficient and effective historically, but we think this will take us to a higher level given the natural alignment between the areas and greater focuses in Bryan DeNeve's area.
He's restructured it so that there is a very sort of laser focused group looking at development and acquisitions going forward. And then another group that again is laser focused on enhancing the value of existing assets as well as some development opportunities on the commercial side. So for example, one of the things that it reflects is an increase in focus on origination in the pursuit of C and I customers for an example. So it does have some implications, but it's more of the focus and again enhancement in some areas that we think will result in greater performance as we move forward.
Okay. And then there's been some reports out there that this Cascade 900 Megawatt combined cycle plant might move forward and there's certainly some financing that you can't control what others do from adding new supply. But from your context, what do you think this could mean for power prices or the standard for best gas and implications for your own fleet?
Certainly, we monitor the Alberta market very closely in terms of how new supply is progressing through the development process. We're confident in the Alberta market that the price signals there will result in the most competitive generation being built, but also that you will see other decisions made in terms of what's economical to do with some of the older generation in the province. So we're in a much better place where we're going to see supply decisions being made on a commercial basis in response to what's seen being built as new facilities. So if Cascade does proceed, we believe that will have a follow on effect in terms of decisions that are made with some of the older generation, which will be further out of the market as a result of that, and we'll see their utilization drop dramatically. So very confident that the market will maintain an appropriate supply demand balance and we'll continue to produce proper price signals as we move forward.
So fair enough to say then on your comments here, Brian, that you think where you sit on the Merit curve with Genesee units, you're far enough away from whatever incremental or what kind of generation currently in the market could be displaced by this facility if it came online?
Yes, that's correct. The Genesee units with the exception of Keycos 3 are the youngest units in the fleet. We've moved to dual fuel capability or moving to dual fuel capability, which allows us to optimize around fuel costs between natural gas and coal. But it's the age of the facility that is critical. So they out of the legacy fleet, they have the lowest heat rate and are most efficient and lowest in the stack.
So I think as you have new supply come on such as Cascade, that's going to have implications for those older units that are higher in the stack. And we would see a modest impact on the utilization of our Genesee facility.
Okay. And then coming back to the implementation of the DRIP and prior comments that you guys could largely internally finance up to $500,000,000 of investments a year. And you kind of put the Strathmore budget and the Whitla budgets together here. Does that or and then obviously putting maybe 3rd party M and A aside, could you exceed $500,000,000 on an organic investment basis over the next 12 months from other development activities you guys have on the go here. Is that the read through on the rationale for the DRIP?
Or is it the fact that you think there will be some M and A coupled with some increased development activity?
Well, certainly, on the development side, as Brian Vasja was mentioning, we're pursuing opportunities on the number front. I believe there's a high probability that we'll see some of those come to fruition. But also, we are also looking at opportunities on the M and A side. So again, we believe over the next 12 to 18 months, it will be fairly active on the growth side and a good chance that we could exceed that $500,000,000 target. So hence why we're taking those steps with the DRIP.
Okay. And then my last question, just on Decatur, any update on status and timelines for maybe getting a new contract extension done?
The process has continued and I would say that we would expect it to come to conclusion almost any day now.
Okay. All right. We'll watch that then. Thanks, guys.
Thank The next question comes from Patrick Kenny from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.
Yes, good morning everybody and congrats to Sandra, Brian and the rest of the team. On Strathmore, can you just remind us if the 40 megawatts is the ultimate capacity of the site? Or can you explore Phase 2, Phase 3 opportunities depending on the level of interest in offtake contracts and maybe the ultimate value of carbon credits? And maybe you can confirm if there's any upside to that $5,000,000 EBITDA guidance if the carbon tax does go up to $50 a ton from $30 today?
So the 40 megawatt capacity pretty much takes up the footprint of the site. There may be opportunity for modest increase, but again, that generally is the site capacity. In terms of as we sort of look forward in the increasing potential increase in carbon tax, etcetera, Obviously, as the carbon tax goes up, it does create a bit of upside associated with the returns on that facility.
Okay.
Yes, it sounds like you can grind down on that 10x build multiple a little bit. And I guess coming back to other questions around the DRIP, with you guys trading at, let's say, 7x, 8x today. I mean, do you expect your future growth opportunities that you're going after to bring down that weighted average capital deployment multiple more towards where you're trading? Or is the strategy simply to absorb a modest level of dilution today, as you said, in exchange for accelerating the business mix more towards renewables in the hope that the market will rerate your valuation up towards your build multiple?
Yes. Certainly, it's a combination of those factors that you've mentioned, Pat. To the extent we have been focused on contracted opportunities and development opportunities. One of the things we've demonstrated over the last 5 years or even longer is our ability to bring in development projects below budget, target budget and at times bring them on early relative to schedule. So that's a value add that we bring to the table and result on those projects that lifts the economics.
The other thing is, yes, we see the benefits of increasing contracts and percentage and increased diversification that will increase our trading multiple in the market and will ultimately get realized through a higher share price. So that is the effect we're looking for as we do add more contracted opportunities to our portfolio.
Okay, got it. And just a last question for me guys. I see the decommissioning provision is up another $30,000,000 or so since the end of March. Looks like up $100,000,000 $445,000,000 from year end levels of about $355,000,000 Can you just confirm how much of that increase is related to, say, an uptick on the obligations related to the coal mine versus just simply adding new assets to the portfolio?
Yes. About $6,000,000 of that is a result of the addition of the Buckthorn facility earlier this year. The balance of it is really driven by a lower discount rates as a result of the low interest rate environment. So just increasing those future obligations. With discount.
The next question comes from Andy Kuske from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead, sir. Thanks. Good morning.
Question as it relates to, I mean, the current environment we're in with COVID-nineteen and just the impact it's had on demand curves in multiple markets. But the gist of the question is really focused on, has there been any fundamental change to your outlook in Alberta's own power market transition as we go to the PPAs into a more competitive market? And then the second part of the question really relates to contracting facilities that you've got more outside of Alberta. And I know you mentioned earlier on about Decatur maybe coming within a few days, but has anything really structurally changed on that side of it too, given the current environment?
Yes. So, in terms of the impact of demand in Alberta, we have seen that hit the high point of demand destruction, and certainly, we're starting to see that come back now as the province reopens. There is some of that demand destruction, of course, is related to the oil and gas industry. That may take a little bit longer to come back. But I think a key element here is, like you were saying, Andrew, is how the market will function once we have the full expiry, the PPAs at the end of this year.
So certainly, for those of you who have been watching the Alberta market over the last several days, we've had fairly high temperatures in the province and very strong pricing. And I think that is what you can see as the market working, providing signals that there's shortage of supply, there's some derates and that is a dynamic we would expect will continue into 2021 and will get amplified as the last of the PPAs expire at the end of this year. So that is one of the key reasons why we view 2021 on a more bullish perspective than we're current forwards are trading.
Okay. That's great. And I guess that's also not as a jab, but that's fairly high weather and high degrees by Alberta standards. So I mean, I guess, as Alberta as it relates to Alberta, I mean, that explains why you're just so open on your contracted position in the commercial portfolio?
That's right. Now, we've seen if you go back, I think about 12 months ago, we saw fairly low prices like sub-50s in 2021. And there was a very large gap between our views on 2021 and where forwards were. So that was a factor in decisions we're making on selling forward. So fortunately, we've seen those prices recover back into the 50s.
So certainly not the same degree of gap that we saw. So as we expect as liquidity improves and we go through the year, that will put upward further upward pricing on 2021 and create additional opportunities to sell forward.
Okay. That's
great. Greatly appreciate it.
Thank you. The next question comes from John Mould from TD Securities. Please go ahead.
Good morning. I'd like to go back to Midlife Gas acquisitions. We've all seen that Joe Biden is proposing a carbon emission free electricity system by 2,035 and that does include support for carbon capture and utilization technology. But I'm wondering how this potential policy shift informs how you look at potential midlife gas acquisitions in the U. S?
So certainly, we're watching fairly closely. And again, a lot of it is dependent on the specific asset in the specific market. I would say, broad sweeping drive in the U. S. Politically driven through incentives can have an impact on some markets very significantly.
In other cases, it's where you don't have a natural renewable base, where you are dependent on natural gas for specific types of service to either the grid or time of day, we expect that those assets will definitely have a prevailing life. And if you look at 2,035 and one of the reasons why we're looking at midlife assets is simply because we don't see that the timeframe will without things such as carbon capture and utilization, we don't see a life well, well beyond 2,035 or 2,050. So that's again why we are focused on midlife natural gas assets in specific markets and with specific characteristics. So again, those policies can have an impact on the natural gas fleet. We don't believe that it would have material impact on the assets that we have nor the kinds of assets that we look at.
Okay. And then just maybe moving along
on that
utilization front, I don't think I saw anything updating us in the report on C2CNT and its progress. Is the expected 1 quarter delay that you articulated on the Q1 call resulting from COVID-nineteen still consistent with your expectations there?
Yes, yes. I mean, it might slip another month or so, but the Professor Licht and his team are back on-site. They're moving forward with the ramping up of the manufacture of carbon nanotubes at a higher scale and that's well in progress. Work is continuing to develop the appropriate carbon nanotube and medium associated with the cement business or concrete business. So everything is sort of back on track or getting back on track.
But again, it will be a 3 or 4 month delay relative to our initial expectations.
Okay, thanks. And maybe just one last thing on the East Windsor steam contract. I appreciate that PPA doesn't expire until the end of the decade. Are there any opportunities on the cogen front for that facility given the contract for scheme expired in Q2?
Go ahead, Brian.
Yes. No, I was I think I was going to say the same thing you, Brian. Probably not alternatives on the cogen side. So but we are looking at other with these 2 to optimize the operation of that facility.
The next question comes from Najee Baidu from Industrial Alliance Securities. Please go ahead.
Hi, good morning. Just one question on renewable power projects. Historically, you've been focused more on the wind side of things now with the Stratmore project and your earlier comment on maybe accelerating investments in renewables. Can you give us any details on what your solar pipeline looks like today and what are the opportunities that you're pursuing in the solar space or you will be pursuing in that space going forward?
So on the solar side, we've been cautious. I think as we've been commenting for the last 18 months or actually longer, we do see that solar is obviously a very significant source of energy in North America and increasingly so. And we felt that we needed to be part of that development. So we have been slowly trying to develop the expertise, become competitive, both in terms of construction processes and our approach to putting projects together. And so as it sits today, obviously, we're moving forward with Strathmore, which in the Alberta context is very competitive.
We've participated in some activities in the U. S. And we're feeling that we are definitely moving forward and we will be competitive in the U. S. As well.
So we don't have a large pipeline of renewable projects, again, simply because we thought we'd make sure that we were competitive. And although our pipeline is growing, it certainly isn't as robust today as it is on the wind side. But it will grow as we prove our competitiveness. We will be significantly expanding that pipeline. Again, simply we didn't want to get out over our skis before we had proven to ourselves that we were competitive.
Thank you for the details.
Thank you. This concludes the question and answer