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Earnings Call: Q4 2022

Mar 22, 2023

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the DATA Communications Management Corp fiscal 22 financial results conference call. My name is James Lorimer, and I'm pleased to be hosting today's call. Joining me is Richard Kellam, our President and Chief Executive Officer. Following our prepared remarks, we will be moderating a Q&A session. As a reminder, this call is being broadcast live and recorded. We'd also like to remind everyone that Richard and I are available after the call for any follow-up questions that you might have. Before we begin, I'll remind everyone that we will be referring to forward-looking information on today's call. This information is subject to certain risks and uncertainties as outlined in the forward-looking information disclosure in our press release, and more fully disclosed within our public disclosure filings on SEDAR.

We have posted a brief video message from Richard, along with a summary of our results and our key initiatives in the year on our website in the form of an infographic. Our detailed information is also available on our website and SEDAR+. I'll now turn the call over to Richard.

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Okay. Good morning, and good afternoon and good evening for any shareholders that are joining us from international time zones. Here's what we wanna accomplish today. Wanna take you through our results for Q4 2022, and then we'll look at our total year of 2022 and how we're building and have been building a better and a bigger business. I'll then briefly talk about the announced acquisition of RRD and where we are there, and then we'll turn it over for any Q&A. Starting off with Q4 2022 results, we had an exceptional quarter in terms of revenue growth. Our revenue was up exactly 20% over a year ago at CAD 73 million, so it was up a full CAD 12.2 million versus prior year. Very good, solid quarter.

If you look at momentum across the quarters, you can see it was our second strongest quarter on the year. Our highest quarter was Q2 , you can also see in this chart that we had positive growth in every quarter on the year, from 11% in quarter 1 through to 20% in Q4 . We're very pleased with the momentum that we delivered through each quarter and especially exiting 2022 withQ4 results of 20% growth. Looking at gross profit, our overall gross profit grew 33% on the quarter. Again, gross profit growing faster than revenue, which is super positive. CAD 23.6 million in overall gross profit. That was up by CAD 5.8 million versus a year ago.

We're also very happy to report that our gross margin was 32.2%. Certainly one of the highest gross margin quarters we've delivered and getting very close to that 5-year range that we provided to shareholders of 35%-40%. Certainly heading in a very positive direction. Looking at gross profit momentum through the year, as I said, 33% growth in gross profit in the quarter, and you can see positive momentum in every quarter, starting off in quarter one at 8% growth, 29% in Q2 , 16% in quarter three, and again, exceptional growth in quarter four at 33%. Very pleased with how we've exited the year in overall business shape from a gross profit perspective.

Our net income was also outstanding in the quarter, at CAD 3.7 million, up CAD 5.5 million versus quarter four last year, which kinda ladders down or leads down to EBITDA. Our EBITDA was very strong, up close to 90%, 89.9% versus last year. CAD 9.5 million in EBITDA, up CAD 4.5 million over a year ago. Also that's a clean EBITDA. It's the Q4 in a row, I'll talk about this in a minute, where we've actually had no restructuring. As we committed to shareholders, no restructuring in 2022. That's a clean EBITDA, hence the positive net income.

If we look at that, clean EBITDA momentum, you can see, anybody kinda looking at a chart here, we've had positive EBITDA quarter by quarter, 29% in Q1, 47% growth in Q2, 25% growth in Q3, and again, that 90% growth in Q4. Our best quarter of the year and sets us up very positively as we exit 2022. Over to James for a little bit more detail.

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Here's a little bit more detail on our financials, just laying out some of the numbers that Richard mentioned. As you can see, and Richard mentioned, gross margin was certainly strong compared to last year. SG&A was actually lower than last year's Q4 . Last year, we did have CDN 2.3 million of restructuring expenses. This year, we did have CDN 1.9 million of acquisition costs, and that's really due diligence and one-time costs related to our review of the R.R. Donnelley Canada acquisition. Hope that this is the last time we'll talk about Q's adjusted EBITDA, but last year we had about CDN 100,000 of wage subsidy benefit.

You can see kind of clean, kind of Q's adjusted EBITDA here of 15.5% of revenue, which we're very pleased with. Again, you know, tracking towards our five-year targets, that's a very good number for us.

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah. Very positive momentum in the adjusted EBITDA line as well. Thank you, James. Having a look at year-end. That was a quarter. Again, you know, positive quarter on every kind of line item rather in our P&L. Looking at year-end results, you know, we've talked a lot about this theme of building a better and bigger business. I'm first going to gonna talk to you about what we're doing to build a better business, and then we'll move into bigger. On the better side, looking at this chart, our headcount is down to 910 associates. That's a 1.3% decrease over a year ago and a 35.5% decrease since 2017.

I did, I did reference, I did mention to shareholders that we have the perfect footprint right now, it's about driving revenue through that footprint, hence the no restructuring expense. If you look at the right-hand side of this chart, you can see how we're driving revenue through that footprint and through that associate base. We've actually crossed CAD 300,000 per associate in 2022. We actually didn't think we'd get there until the end of 2023, with the exceptional revenue growth, we've crossed that milestone much quicker than anticipated. Super positive, up 18% over a year ago, revenue per associate up close to 47% over the last 5 or 6 years. Great momentum in terms of driving productivity improvements. Also happy to report that our customer engagement.

We run a voice of the customer once a year, so it's the second time we've done it, using a company called Apex Scoring System. Our voice of the customer, so what customers are telling us about how we're working with them, our overall level of engagement has improved considerably. Some key metrics around being meaningful, responsive, predictable, forward-thinking, and dependable up significantly. In the Apex Scoring System, we are considered engagement experts and on our way to being engagement masters. We're very pleased with the response we're getting from our clients in terms of how engaged they are with our level of client leadership. Again, building a better business and building that client leadership model to engagement experts, to engagement masters.

We also do an annual survey or a biannual survey using Gallup to understand the engagement of our associates, those 910 associates. Very happy to report that we've had solid improvement in overall engagement with our engagement mean up 8% and overall percentile ranking up 18%. Associates' engagement is certainly critically important for us and we're seeing those improvements from the voice of our associates. Pleased to report that we've worked hard on building a solid growth muscle as an organization. We've actually won 35 new logos this year, and we've got over just north of CAD 35 million in new business that we've brought into the organization in 2022 across a multiple number of verticals.

All of that revenue that we've generated from new business development is what we call tech-enabled. It's enabled with some type of technology. It may end up as a physical printed product, but it's enabled by technology, which obviously, makes that model, if you will, that client model, much more, a higher level retention, and obviously, you know, a higher value as well. Very pleased with the new business development that the entire commercial team has delivered this year and the entire organization. More than commercial team involved in new business development. It's all of us. Very pleased with progress there.

Also, you know, on the theme of building a better business, we really put some key targets in place a couple of years ago to deliver environmental, social, and governance momentum. On the environmental side, we're actively participating in what's called SGP, which is Sustainable Green Printing Partnership. A lot of metrics around that in terms of waste and carbon emissions. We're tracking all that information, and we've actually made some solid progress there. We've also aligned with science-based targets, which give us sort of a glide path to reduce CO2 emissions by 42% over the next seven years. I think the one thing we're most proud of...

We're proud of everything, but we're super proud of our PrintReleaf Association, where we reforest 100% of our clients' paper use. That has accounted to 702,000 trees being reforested since we started working with PrintReleaf at the end of 2021 and through 2022, offsetting 58 million pounds of paper. Very pleased with that reforestation effort, and certainly, clients are very pleased with that as well. A lot of work happening on ESG and again, some very good momentum across our organization and we're very committed to this moving forward. Also, we've made good progress on our DCM digital journey, especially around standing up a solution or portfolio for the future.

Of course, our shareholders know that we've got this fantastic DCM FLEX platform that we continue to drive client penetration on, and that's a platform that optimizes and manages workflow. The center of this chart, we've got our digital asset management solution, which is, which we've been actively in market with, and we've got our own, you know, platform coming to market in the next couple of months and drive some good client penetration. We just introduced a personalized video capability. We call it PRSNL, sort of an end-to-end solution, and we're driving penetration with clients on that right now. We're in the process of introducing a marketing campaign omnichannel workflow platform called Marketing Flow, MTG Flow.

We actually stood this up for a large electronic retailer 1 year ago. Now we're scaling that out to more clients. We've also got a platform we call Opti-Channel. That's a campaign collateral allocation and distribution platform. We stood that up with a large FI about 1 year ago or 1 year and a half ago. We're now commercializing that to more clients, so driving penetration with this whole kind of Opti-Channel platform. Some really good progress in terms of getting the foundation and building the so-solution portfolio in 2022 for our DCM digital group. Finally, debt reduction down quite significantly. You can see our high in 2019 was close to CDN 80 million. We've had a 26% reduction in debt in 2022 versus 2021.

Down to CAD 27 million and a 65%, almost a 66% reduction from our high of 2019. Another important point is that this is the lowest debt we've had since we IPO'd in 2004. Real good progress in terms of, in terms of, you know, paying down debt and, you know, managing our cash flow and paying down debt quickly. As I said earlier, we've had zero restructuring expense. We obviously had zero in the quarter. We've had zero on the year. I said that our right sizing is complete. We've got the perfect footprint to grow off of, and you can see the numbers. We've certainly driven growth through that footprint in 2022. That was, that was a little bit on building a better business.

I'm gonna talk to you about the results on the bigger business side of 2022. Revenue, exceptional growth at 16.3% versus last year. Revenue approaching CAD 274 million, up CAD 38.5 million versus prior year. Very, very good revenue growth on the year. Gross profit growing faster than revenue at 21.1%. We like to see that because that means our percent is growing, our gross margin is growing, and you can see on the right-hand side of this chart, our gross margin is up to 30.8%, about a point and a half up over a year ago. Our total gross profit is CAD 84.2 million, and that is up close to CAD 15 million versus prior year. Good momentum on revenue, great momentum on gross profit.

Net income, a similar kind of story to quarter four. If you look at this on the year, net income CAD 14 million, up CAD 12.4 million versus prior year. That's a real number on the chart, 792% increase in net income over a year ago. Again, you know, all of that due to the, you know, due to the productivity improvements that we've made, the improvement in gross margin, the zero restructuring obviously flows directly into net income. Good, solid net income year as we committed. Then rolling down or flowing down to EBITDA. EBITDA, very pleased to report up 45.3% on the year at CAD 36.4 million. That's CAD 11.4 million up over prior year.

That's 13.3% of revenue, up 2.7% versus last year. This is the clean EBITDA number. We'll talk about, you know, what that final number looks like when we look at some of the costs that we've incurred for due diligence on this acquisition. Very pleased with the EBITDA progress that we've delivered in 2022. Over to James with a little deeper dive here.

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Yes. Just another little look at our summary financial information, most of which Richard has already gone through. You know, gross margin, 30.8%, up from 29.5% last year. SG&A was a little bit ahead of where we were last year, but, you know, with 16.3% growth on the top line, we're very pleased with that. Restructuring expenses, as we've talked about, and acquisition costs of CAD 1.9 million just in the Q4 . If you look at kind of adjusted income from operations, which is more of a kind of a P&L line than an EBITDA, we're CAD 25.2 million, or almost CAD 12 million ahead of where we were last year.

Adjusted net income, CAD 15.4 million compared to CAD 7.7 million last year, really kind of doubling what we did last year. You know, looking at adjusted EBITDA and cash conversion, we realize this is important to many shareholders. You know, while our cash from operations was down a bit from last year, last year you'll recall we had significant working capital improvements, as we really, you know, reduced our accounts receivable outstanding, crunched our payables.

This year we did have a little bit of inventory build and so that cut into a little bit our working capital, but it certainly supported our high levels of revenue growth and it also differentiated us in the market, made sure that we had adequate inventory in order to meet the demand that we had from our clients. With a little bit less CapEx this year, our free cash flow conversion rate was 93.5% compared to 88% last year. Really driving kinda more free cash flow to the bottom line, which allows us to service our debt, pay taxes, et cetera.

Really, I think the big point here is that these high levels of free cash flow conversion allowed us to pay down CDN 12.6 million of fixed rate term debt last year. It's really put us in a position where we're very well positioned to make the acquisition of R.R. Donnelley Canada and finance that fully with debt. We're really comfortable with where our debt levels are, and fortunately, you know, the aggressive debt pay downs that we've made over the last few years have really positioned us well for this acquisition.

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Thank you, James. 2022, as you said, outstanding year, building a better and a bigger business and clearly, you know, clearly, very proud of the results the entire team has delivered. I'm now going to talk a little bit about where we are on the announced acquisition of R.R. Donnelley. Just a little reminder on the transaction highlights. We entered into a definitive agreement about 3 weeks ago and announced that 3 weeks ago. It is a cash purchase price of CAD 123 million subject to working capital and other adjustments. To remind shareholders, R.R. Donnelley Canada has total revenues of approximately CAD 250 million.

The closing is expected to be sometime in Q2 2023, subject to the Competition Bureau, which is in progress right now. Financing is through 100% cash consideration, 100% financed through a Canadian chartered bank and via private debt. Now important for shareholders to understand that of that CAD 123 million, there's CAD 30 million in there that is associated with the real estate, okay? That, think of it as the business of CAD 93 million and real estate for CAD 30 million. We actually have a bridge loan for the real estate because we're going to sell and lease that back very quickly post-transaction.

That will take our leverage from 3.25 down to a very manageable leverage level of 2.65 to 2.7, you know, following those sale and lease backs, okay? It's a ninety, think of it as a CAD 93 million deal, CAD 30 million on top of that for real estate. It's about 4.5x multiple. You know, very pleased with this transaction. Some of the benefits, combining two companies with complementary operating models, really best-in-class products, strong innovation and very strong client leadership at Donnelley. You know, they've got a fantastic team.

Lots of opportunities to leverage some of the moves that we're making here at DCM on digital and our digital leadership and bringing that into the Donnelley organization. Obviously, you know, creating some meaningful benefits to clients and customers, you know, being better together. There's some attractive financial benefits due to some value creation opportunities as well. That's just a quick summary of the transaction. Just a summary of our presentation today. We started this phase of our journey almost exactly two years ago. I've been here almost exactly two years to the day. We started this two-year journey of building a better and bigger business and really driving momentum in our business.

I trust that all of our shareholders can see the productivity improvements that we've made, the efficiencies that we're driving in our business, the significant improvement in both associate engagement and client engagement, the moves that we've made on our ESG efforts, and the significant reduction in debt. We've done a very nice job as a collective team over the last couple of years to build a better business, clarify strategy and deliver results. On the bigger side, again, we've had Q5 now of positive revenue growth, north of 16% growth in 2022. You can see that our gross margins improved quarter-on-quarter over the last 2 years. Our profitability has certainly improved considerably.

As I said, we've got the perfect footprint right now to grow off of. The team has done a phenomenal job building a sustainable growth muscle. We'll see that deliver dividends over time as well as we continue to grow and continue to pioneer new clients, new customers, new verticals. Again, I think we're very well positioned for digital acceleration given the portfolio that we've established over the last year and our digital leadership team. Clearly, we've got, you know, fantastic momentum as we exit 2022, and we're, you know, very pleased. We're kinda 2 years into a multi-year journey, as we say here.

We're certainly excited about the next phase of the journey as we continue to build a better and a bigger business to now do that together with Donnelley once we close the once we close the transaction. Very excited about the future. I do wanna thank all of our associates for delivering this exceptional exceptional year in 2022 and most importantly, delivering on a very successful journey over the last couple of years. As I said, we're certainly excited about the future. We'll turn it over for Q&A now. James, you wanna give the instructions of Q&A?

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Sure. Thanks, Richard. If you have a question, and you're accessing the call directly through Teams, you can use the Raise Your Hand feature in Teams, and we will tee up questions. Alternatively, you can also use the chat feature in Teams, and we will respond to questions there as well. If you have dialed in using the old-fashioned phone version, you may press star 5 to raise or lower your hand, and pressing star 6 will mute or unmute your microphone. Please introduce yourself once you're introduced to the session. Got questions coming in, Josh?

Speaker 5

Yeah. I have some questions here from, 416574. I'm going to open your mic.

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Okay.

Speaker 5

Hello?

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Hi there.

Speaker 5

Sorry, can you hear me now?

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Yep. Yep, we got you.

Chris Thompson
President and Director of Equity Research, eResearch

Yeah. Hi, it's Chris Thompson from eResearch.

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

How are you, Chris?

Chris Thompson
President and Director of Equity Research, eResearch

Just a couple of questions. One about the gross margins in Q4 were, you know, higher than the gross margins for the rest of the year. Is that sort of the gross margins you think you'll be building on for the rest of 2023?

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah. I'd say Q4 was probably a little bit higher than our expectations. You know, we finished the year around 30.8%. I think if you look back historically, Chris, we've been pretty good at building margins about a full percentage point a year. I'd say, you know, that kind of growth is probably a little bit more normal through the balance of the year and over the next kinda 4-5 years through our five-year plan.

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah. Chris, you know, I think you're aware of this. We experienced a lot of kinda raw material headwinds and supply chain disruption in 2022. You know, hence, our working capital had to increase quite significantly just to have raw materials on the floor to meet clients' needs. Some of the movements in gross margin are due to pricing when we receive materials, how we price it as well, okay. That, you know, will eventually kinda normalize over time.

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Certainly, with the strong levels of revenue in the quarter, that helped with all our operational efficiencies.

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Right.

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Certainly, you know, contribution margin was very high.

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah.

Chris Thompson
President and Director of Equity Research, eResearch

Great. Your acquisition costs, for the next couple of quarters, are they gonna be similar to what you booked in Q4, or is it, was that sort of the high watermark?

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah. They'll be similar in Q1, probably a little bit higher, Chris, in Q1. A lot of the acquisition costs were really kind of November, December of last year as we ramped up our diligence. And then, you know, when we announced the transaction, I guess about 3 weeks ago, you know, a lot of costs through kind of January, February, and March related to that. Yeah. I would expect Q1 will be higher than you saw in Q4.

Chris Thompson
President and Director of Equity Research, eResearch

My final question just has to go along the lines with the Silicon Valley Bank, the sort of the banking issue these days. Do you see any of that impacting either any of your clients or, and/or the acquisition moving forward?

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah. With regards to clients, as you know, you know, 90% plus of our business is with 250 odd clients. Most of those are kind of large enterprise clients. We don't do a lot of work with, you know, kind of more venture-funded type clients. That's not our typical client base. We don't see any real client exposure there. From our own funding and acquisition lines from our funding partners, we don't expect any issues there either. Likewise, our Donnelley Canada has a, you know, kind of similar profile, different mix in clients but similar profile to ours, we don't expect that they'd be, you know, impacted to any significance.

Chris Thompson
President and Director of Equity Research, eResearch

Thanks. Those are my questions. Great quarter and look forward to seeing Q1 when it comes up.

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Thanks, Chris. Another question there, Josh? Yeah.

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah, I have a question from Scott. Scott, do you wanna go ahead, please?

Speaker 4

Can you hear me?

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Yes. Yeah, we got you, Scott.

Speaker 4

Great, thanks. Great quarter. Good job. Excellent work. I have a couple questions. One, we are now at the tail end of Q1. Can you comment on how fiscal 2023 has started out? Secondly, can you talk a bit about the strategy to drive digital penetration and where you are as a % of your print revenues being now tech-enabled? With that, can you comment on what the margins are on the tech-enabled revenues versus the print revenues?

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah. Do you wanna talk about where we are on the quarter, if we can?

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah. So, where we are in the quarter, Scott, we're tracking positively. You know, we had very strong momentum in the Q4 as everyone's seen. That momentum has continued through the Q1 . We are, you know, continuing to pass through price increases where we were maybe restricted from contracts and in doing so, last year. So, we are getting some kinda continued effect from that. I think we think that should show, you know, a pretty good comparable Q1 this year compared to last year.

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah. Your question on our tech-enabled workflow or tech-enabled penetration. About 35% of our revenue starts with a technology solution that may end up in a printed product or it could end up in a distributed, you know, kinda email. It starts with technology. The technology is embedded into our client's digital stack, if you will. Obviously we get, you know, we get value for that. The margins are higher because obviously there's more value we're bringing. From a competitive standpoint, I'm not gonna tell you about the difference in margin, but there's certainly better margin.

Importantly, when we are bringing that technology or that solution to a client to help streamline or enable their workflow, then there's a much higher level of retention and loyalty. It's hard to kinda lift and shift that work elsewhere if we're deep in their digital stack. We're our strategy, we made it clear in our five-year plan. We wanna take that tech-enabled workflow from 35% up to 75% over time, over a five-year glide path. That's kind of one part of our digital strategy.

The other part, the question you didn't ask, but I'll answer it anyway, which is the other solutions that I shared in the presentation today, the PRSNL solution, the ASMBL solution, the marketing workflow solution, and the omnichannel solution, those are all pure SaaS plays. We're just kind of starting that journey, just started that journey in 2022, You'll see that accelerate in 2023 onward. Okay?

Speaker 4

Yeah, that's helpful. Related to that, are you receiving any revenues from those solutions that you just highlighted today? Maybe if you could comment as to as we exit 2023, what are you thinking in terms of those revenue streams being as a % of revenues?

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah. Do you wanna talk that, James, the revenue we're getting from our digital solution set up?

James Lorimer
CFO, DATA Communications Management

Yeah. Our in our statements, we break out what we call subscription fees and program management fees and other kind of recurring revenue. It's in the range of about CAD 5.5 million last year. We are seeing growth in that in the subscription fees, you know, kinda software and like pure kinda SaaS or services. Still a reasonably small number for us, Scott, probably in the, you know, kinda CAD 1.5 million range in aggregate. We do see that accelerating through the balance of the year and, you know, certainly continuing to accelerate in 2024 and 2025 past that.

Speaker 4

Very good. Thanks for the comments.

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Okay. Thanks, Scott. I have a question in the chat, regarding our financials on SEDAR. A question regarding inventory levels, which have been climbing through last year. Our statements and information should be filed on SEDAR first thing this morning, so it should be available there. In terms of inventory levels, we did see a little bit of a reduction at the end of the year. We had some big jobs that consumed a lot of inventory at the balance of the year, hence some of the higher revenue that you saw. We are starting to see a little bit of a moderation in the raw material market, at least from an availability perspective. Pricing, we still see some pricing pressure expected through the balance of the year.

We are, you know, kinda confident in the inventory levels that we have. They did come down a little bit and we certainly expect them to come down through the balance of this year. Yeah. At 1 point in the year, just for clarity, to meet clients' workflow needs, in other words, to have raw materials, you know, on the floor to meet those needs, we were up as high as 3 months of inventory in some of our facilities, and we're seeing that come down significantly, and we're expecting that will continue to decrease as we go through 2023. Demand in the market is still there, supply has improved considerably. That will kinda normalize over time.

We expect to see some normalization through the end of 2023, so. Okay. Yeah, I don't see any further questions on the call. If anyone has any questions, please either use the chat feature or raise your hand in Teams. Paul, there's another question?

Speaker 5

Another question.

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

One other question. We'll take one more. Is it a dial-in or... Through chat box. Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 5

Yeah. Question from Raymond Williams. Hi, Raymond. Will you be providing the RRD synergies and savings as soon as the deal closes?

Richard Kellam
President and CEO, DATA Communications Management

Yes. We will provide some more insights into opportunities once the deal closes and once we get through the next quarter or two. We do have kind of a number of areas that we think there's opportunities. We see certainly your kind of traditional organizational synergies. We see some operational synergies. We see some procurement synergies. I think importantly, we also see some revenue synergies where there's significant opportunities for cross-selling some of the products and services that we have that they don't, and vice versa. We're really excited about the opportunity of putting the two businesses together. Okay. No further questions from anybody? All right. Thank you for everybody listening today. Really appreciate it. We are...

Thank you to all of our associates, as I said earlier, for delivering an outstanding 2022. We're very excited about 2023, about continuing to deliver a better and a bigger business and really delivering a better and bigger business after we have the successful acquisition of RRD Canada, which we're very, very excited about. Thank you, everybody, and look forward to reporting on our Q1 results, I guess, in the next month or so. Right? Next couple of months. Thank you.

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