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Earnings Call: Q1 2025

May 12, 2025

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Dorel Industries' First Quarter 2025 Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star, then zero. Before turning the meeting over to management, please be advised that this conference call will contain statements that are forward-looking and subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded today, May 12th, 2025. I would now like to turn the conference over to Martin Schwartz, President and CEO. Please go ahead.

Martin Schwartz
President and CEO, Dorel Industries

Thank you. Good morning, and thank you all for joining us for Dorel's First Quarter Earnings Call for the period ended March 31, 2025. With me are Jeffrey Schwartz, CFO, and Jason Kwasnik, VP of Finance. We will take your questions following our comments. Again, all figures mentioned during this call are in US dollars. Dorel Juvenile had a strong start to 2025 with another quarter of organic revenue growth. Our new product introductions continue to resonate with retailers and consumers, and our pipeline of upcoming launches is robust. Another positive, though out of our control, was the weakening of the US dollar in the quarter against most major currencies, which helped earnings and should do so going forward. Inversely, Dorel Home faced a challenging start to the year, with e-commerce sales much lower than expectations.

As we said in our last earnings release, brick-and-mortar success will be the key to our turnaround, but the change in the e-commerce landscape means we significantly underperform. We have lowered our expectations on what that channel can deliver, and as a result, we'll be taking further action to substantially reduce our footprint. Jeffrey will elaborate further on our results, as well as what further changes we are making in the home segment, as well as our view on U.S. tariffs. For now, I'm going to give more color on the performance of our two segments. For Dorel Juvenile, as stated in our release, we delivered organic revenue growth in the quarter. This is the eighth consecutive quarter of year-over-year organic revenue growth. This revenue growth is being led by our Maxi-Cosi brand, which grew 9% over prior year and now makes up 37% of our sales.

Importantly, we are gaining traction in almost all of our markets. Though local safety standards make global product success more challenging, we have improved our ability to create one platform and then tweak it to match local standards. The best example of this is the Maxi-Cosi Fame stroller. We launched this item first in early 2024 in Europe, and it was a huge success. This is the most premium stroller in our portfolio and competes well with the current market leaders. We have excellent product placement with our European customers, and now it is available in over 40 countries worldwide. We are building on the momentum of the Fame, and at our most recent customer event in April in Marbella, Spain, we introduced a small cabin version.

What is particularly exciting about this new launch is that this category of strollers is the most popular around the world, so it has the potential to be even more impactful than the original Fame. This lightweight stroller was introduced alongside a new and improved Coral Slide Pro car seat as part of the Zero-G travel system. This is the lightest ever, as the Coral consists of a soft shell inside a rigid frame, and the stroller can fit in airplane overhead bins. The soft shell can be removed from the rigid frame in the car and placed directly in the stroller, the only infant carrier in the marketplace with the ability to do so. Of course, the Coral is part of the SlideTech family of car seats and can be used with multiple strollers.

This travel system combo is really the best in the industry, and we are being recognized again for the incredible innovation that our teams are delivering. One of our underperforming markets has been Chile, Peru, and as we announced in our March conference call, we recently installed new leadership. Early returns are good, as Chile and Peru delivered an improvement in earnings of $1.4 million versus last year and posted a profitable quarter for the first time since the first quarter of 2023. In the U.S., the team has been working on launching new car seats for over a year that meet the new side impact regulations, and I'm happy to say we began shipping customer placements in the quarter. The team did an amazing job meeting these new standards, and the product looks better than ever.

With the current tariff environment, the team is already looking at incremental opportunities for our U.S. factory. We already produce 3 million seats a year and are the most competitive option for many price points, so this could be a major opportunity for us. Finally, on Juvenile, cost reduction remains a priority, and in the quarter, some changes were made which will help our run rate going forward. We are now turning to Dorel Home. It was a difficult quarter, far below our expectations. We have reacted strongly and, since the end of the quarter, identified further cost reductions and operational improvements. In our last call, I stated there were key pillars to success, and as you can see in our results, we are not executing on all of them yet, so I want to give an update on where we see our progress.

In leveraging our previous success with traditional brick-and-mortar and omnichannel retailers, though not fully reflected in our earnings, our brick-and-mortar sales remain flat with prior years. This should change going forward as we have some major launches coming with several key retailers. I will add to this that these relationships are proving to be particularly beneficial as we navigate the tariff environment. We have already had multiple meetings with several customers as they look to us to find solutions with them. A reduced product line with differentiation and value-added features. This has been difficult to start the year as our financial constraints have limited our ability to bring many new products to market. Prioritizing fewer but more successful licensed brands such as Novagrass. As we have been unable to bring a lot of new products to the market as of now, this has not really been a benefit yet.

This is part of our streamlined portfolio and remains a key deliverable for us. We grow in new markets. Europe actually had a good quarter, right on plan. It remains relatively small, but we want to grow it profitably from its current level of sales. We have an enhanced management team. As announced previously, Troy Franks has been installed as Dorel Home's CEO, and he is driving the initiatives to turn the business around. The management team has been streamlined, and those remaining have a proven track record of success. We have also moved our Juvenile CFO over to be responsible for the home segment. Ian Farthing has been with us for over 30 years, the last 12 at Juvenile, so he is perfectly suited for what we need to do. We are strategically right-sizing the business and have a revitalized management team in place.

I will now ask Jeffrey to review the financials as well as elaborate on tariffs and our home restructuring program. Jeffrey?

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Thank you, Martin. Before discussing the quarter, I wanted to discuss some of the things that Martin was talking about, some a little bit more information on the restructuring, which is ongoing as we speak. The lower-than-expected sales and margins have prompted additional restructuring activities over and above what we announced in January. The operations of the home segment, particularly the import part, will be significantly altered with the sales, marketing, and product development organization being merged into the successful Costco division. Despite the difficulties we're having, as you can see in our numbers, we do have a division that is profitable and that is doing well. That business, which is pretty lean and mean, is going to take over additional product categories, allowing us to significantly reduce our footprint.

A substantial number of positions will be eliminated as they have been identified as redundant and not necessary to support the anticipated sales level and activities because of the merging into the Costco division. A lot of the back-office functions, accounting, IT, will also be consolidated with our Juvenile segment, allowing us to, again, significantly take some costs out of that as well. We are actively pursuing other opportunities that we believe can decrease our overhead significantly and allowing us to operate. We will be communicating our plan to the market by the end of June. As I said, we're in the process right now of building it and, in some places, taking it apart. As far as dealing with our lenders is concerned, we still have the support of our lenders.

We're working with them to build a go-forward plan, which focuses mostly on our growing profitable Juvenile business and a rather different, smaller furniture operation, which will no longer lose money. From a tariff standpoint, while this is not pretty difficult, I mean, we prepared all of these notes last week, and we got a surprise last night that the Chinese tariff is going to be down to 30%. That gives us optimism. We've had a number of products that have not been shipped out of China that were just sitting there. Again, this is generally categories, so it's not as if there were alternatives. We like to use things like strollers as an example. Whole industry is talking about the fact that all strollers are made in China, and I'm going to say for the last five, six weeks, very few strollers have been sent out of China.

However, going forward, 30% is high, but it's manageable. In addition, it does still give us an opportunity to increase our factory. Martin talked about that. We've got a great factory that produces 25%-30% of the units sold in America. We have additional capacity. We're looking to turn that up, and with the additional tariffs, we feel like that's an opportunity that's still there to grow that part of the business. Tariffs on the home side, on the Juvenile side, although a pain and certainly in the short term, going to cause a little bit of hiccups, should actually be a net benefit for Dorel in the U.S. Moving over to the numbers. For the first quarter, Dorel's revenue decreased by $30 million or almost 9%. Organic revenue declined by approximately 7% after removing the variation of foreign exchange year over year.

The revenue and organic revenue decline was all in Home, partially offset by some improvements in Juvenile. The gross profit for the quarter decreased by $8.1 million. The gross margin decreased by 60 basis points as a percentage of revenue. Excluding restructuring costs, the adjusted gross profit decreased by $7.7 million or 11% and by 50 basis points. All of this negativity is all caused at the Home level because the Juvenile level is actually doing quite nicely and moving according to our plan. The operating loss for the quarter for Dorel was $14 million compared to $7.7 million last year. All of that, again, is because of the Home. Financing expenses of $9.4 million was comparable to last year. As we move over now to the Juvenile segment, quite pleased with the way that business is going. We are definitely going in the right direction.

It's still a difficult environment between tariffs and just the economic environment, but nevertheless, our revenues grew by $3.2 million. Organic revenues improved by 4% after removing the foreign exchange environment. We're seeing improvements in most of our markets, which we're pleased about. Operating profits were $3 million during the first quarter compared to $500,000 last year. Excluding restructuring costs, operating profits increased by $3.1 million to an adjusted operating profit of $4.2 million. Overall, like I said, the Juvenile business is going well in virtually every market that we have. Martin talked about Chile. That was the one fairly large market that's been a problem for the last number of years. We do see light at the end of the tunnel, and we're extremely pleased to see the first quarter get into the block. That's going well. Europe is going well.

The U.S., certainly looking forward to increased activity in our factory. Over in the home business, do not have much good news there. The business declined significantly by 33%. The decline in revenue is mainly on the reduced e-commerce sales, which we are taking significant action on that unit. Our gross profit declined by $10.5 million. The gross margin was 1.2%, which is really an indication of way too much overhead for the amount of volume that we are doing. As far as the losses, as we talked about the losses of $7.9 million. Disappointing. We are disappointed. We are taking significant action. The first restructuring, I want to point out, although it does not look like you see much improvement, we have achieved all of the cost reductions that we plan to do in the first restructuring. What has limited us is the inability to sell at the volume we expected.

This current restructuring plan is more significant, a much larger plan to turn the business into a smaller, leaner, and profitable business. That is the plan. We will be going back to everyone in the market in June when we finalize the plan and got all our approvals, and we will explain to everybody what we are doing on the home side. With that, I will pass it back to Martin.

Martin Schwartz
President and CEO, Dorel Industries

All right. Thank you, Jeffrey. In our outlook, finally, on our outlook, the tariff situation is clouding our visibility on expected performance, as can be seen by this morning's changes. As Jeffrey laid out, we are actually in a better place relative to a lot of our competition, but the situation is difficult nonetheless. In the second quarter, in both of our segments, orders from customers have slowed and even stopped entirely for some customers for Chinese-sourced products. Hopefully, we'll start to recover with lower tariffs. This will have an effect on our second quarter results, particularly in the home segment. Giving a long-term resolution on tariffs is impossible to predict. The exact financial impact cannot be provided as of now. Longer term, our Juvenile segment is expected to continue to deliver improved earnings over prior years. Short term, tariffs could challenge earnings.

With our domestic manufacturing factory opportunity, this could offset the risk. For now, in Juvenile, we continue to execute on our business strategy that has been successful over the past several years, adjusting as necessary for external factors like tariffs and currency. In Home, the focus is transitioning the segment to a new business model that is more agile with a lower-cost infrastructure. The timing of these changes is made more difficult by the tariff situation, but this will not prevent us from making the internal changes necessary for success. We should have much better clarity soon, and we'll be able to provide better guidance thereon. With that, I now ask the operator to open the lines for questions and request that you limit them to two in the first round. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star, then one on your telephone keypad. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. We will pause for a moment as callers join the queue. Your first question today will come from Cheryl Zhang with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Cheryl Zhang
Analyst, TD Cowen

Good morning, Jeffrey. This is Cheryl calling for Derek. Thanks for taking our questions. The first question is on tariffs. As you mentioned in the remarks, we saw U.S. taking down tariff quite a bit, now charging 30% on China imports, down from 145%. Curious on your thoughts. Do you think the 30% tariff is enough to turn the demand back on compared to the 145%? Hello?

Operator

Yep. Pardon me. Your line may be muted.

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Sorry. I was going to say, this is a difficult question given that we've only had an hour or two to deal with it. I would think that they will turn it on because most of the when it was 20%, most of the retailers were hemming and hawing but still moving forward given the shock of 154%. In many cases, we just couldn't bring in product. We couldn't get product. The 30% sounds reasonable, and it sounds like we can move forward with that. I'm going to give you a qualified yes, but again, I don't know.

Cheryl Zhang
Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. Great. That's fair. Thanks for the color. My second question on the far right queue is on selling expenses. It looks like, as a percentage of revenue, it seems a little high compared to the prior year in both businesses. Curious if you can provide some color around that and what would you expect on the SG&A as a percentage of revenue going forward.

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

On the home side, it's pretty easy to say that that's just related to the drop in volume. That is definitely one of the categories that we're looking at revamping. On the home side, we're looking at a different business. I don't have a lot of comment there. On the Juvenile side, I'm not sure why that would be up. There's nothing radically different. I mean, we are increasing our marketing. Things are going well there. Perhaps some of the marketing programs went into that area. We've launched a lot of new products that will start picking up during the year. I would guess that's it, but there's no real issue.

Cheryl Zhang
Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. If I may just follow up quickly on that. You mentioned there is a new business model in home. Curious if you can elaborate a bit more on how the new business model will change or compare to the one that you have currently.

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Yeah. Cheryl, not until the end of June, right? We're in the middle now. I mean, we weren't expecting such a drop-off and tariffs too. I mean, that's had a big impact. Customers not wanting to bring in inventory. I mean, there's a lot of things that hit this model. So we've been working on it for a while, but because of the size and nature of it, I can't give you any sort of forward look on it.

Cheryl Zhang
Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. Understood. Thank you. I'll re-queue.

Operator

Once again, if you have a question, please press star and then one. Your next question today will come from Stephen McLeod with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Stephen MacLeod
Managing Director and Senior Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thank you. Good morning, guys. Just on the home business, understanding that it's still evolving with respect to the restructuring, but you did mention that you're repositioning the business based on a lower expectation on revenues. I guess I'm just curious, is there a level that you have in mind in terms of how to position this business as it relates to that actual revenue number?

Martin Schwartz
President and CEO, Dorel Industries

Not yet. I mean, what we're going to be, what we're in the process of doing is looking at all the various business lines that we have. We know that Costco Home and Office area is a success. Taking other lines and other opportunities and running it under that way, if it doesn't make sense, we're not going to do it. We're in that process of measuring everything to decide what's in and what's out. We're going to be rather ruthless in that process. I mean, we don't want to lose money anymore. The key to Dorel is really the Juvenile business. We believe there is a home furnishing business, and it's going to be different than what it was in Q1. I can't give you any more insight to that yet. I just don't have it.

Stephen MacLeod
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Yeah. No, that's fair. Certainly, last night's news throws another curveball. Just maybe on Juvenile, can you talk a little bit about your performance in North America? I mean, I know you cited Europe being the most significant contributor in Q1, but wondering if you can give some color on North America. What was the contribution from FX to the operating profit this quarter?

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

North America overall was good versus last year. I don't know if it was up necessarily. It was similar. A lot of it's timing. I mean, we know we have an increased market share. We know going forward, especially now with the tariffs and having the only large manufacturing facility in the U.S., that the opportunity to grow that is probably the best we've seen in many, many years. A lot of new product hitting. A lot of it's timing-based. I'm going to say overall flat for North America for Q1, but pretty optimistic about where we're going to go with that. Even though, like I said, in Q2, I could see some bumpiness there because we stopped bringing in some products for a number of weeks, right? I mean, as did everyone in the industry.

There could be a period where we run out of inventory. The industry is running off of inventory right now and has not been replenishing. I am not sure where that is all going to land other than car seats where we have been replenishing all the time. That would be that. Overall, still optimistic. Just to remind you, North America is about, I think it is 45% of our overall Juvenile business. The rest of the business continues to move forward.

Stephen MacLeod
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. That's good color, Jeffrey. Thank you. Maybe just another one if I could. Just on the, you gave a long-term debt and financing update with the ABL facility availability down to $200 million. Can you talk about how that impacts potentially liquidity? I guess along those lines, when you think about other opportunities going forward, do you have other properties where you can execute on a sell and lease back? Is that something you're looking at?

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Right. Okay. Good question. No, the impact, we still have at the $200. We were not using anywhere close to the facility and felt it was unnecessary to continue to have a large facility, especially in lieu of the fact that the home business will be getting smaller, not larger. We had no problem agreeing to dropping the size of that facility. That is a non-issue. I forgot to mention something. We continue to work on a liquidity opportunity. I know I have been saying it now for a number of quarters. That does not mean we are not, it is the same opportunity. I do not want to, until it is done, it is not done. We are moving past gateways, and I hope to see something happen in Q2, which will give us some more liquidity as far as our business, which we can definitely use.

In addition to that, yes, we do still have some properties, but we do not control—they are not huge. They are not big, but we have some properties that we can sell. For example, there is a building in Tiffin, Ohio, that we closed the factory on back in Q3, I believe, of last year. That building is still out there, but we do not control the ability to sell it, but we are actively looking. A much bigger event is some additional financing that we are pretty hopeful on. We continue to march through the process and getting all the paperwork done and everything done. I forgot to mention that in my speech. Yeah, we continue to look to have some more liquidity done by the end of the quarter.

Stephen MacLeod
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. That's great. Thank you.

Operator

Next, we have a follow-up with Cheryl Zhang of TD Cowen. Please go ahead. Cheryl, your line may be muted.

Cheryl Zhang
Analyst, TD Cowen

Thank you. Sorry about that. Just one follow-up from me. In the MD&A, you mentioned that there was some old inventory that you needed to move through in Home. Just curious how much of that old inventory you need to move, and when you expect to begin selling the newer products?

Martin Schwartz
President and CEO, Dorel Industries

I mean, we are bringing in some products every day. We just have not—the model that is the problem is the model where we bring in 1,000 SKUs, reinventory it, and hopefully it sells online. That is the model that is giving us the most problems. As you can imagine, it is competitive. And not just us. It is almost everyone in the industry. The idea that you are going to pick the right items, put them in the right warehouse, and be able to ship it within 24-48 hours is a very difficult model. We have had a number of products that when we brought them in, they do not sell the way they are supposed to. We are in the process now of selling those out. It is something we are always working on. Those models will not be reinvested in. It is not as if they are sat for a year and we have not sold any.

They're slower moving. The only upside we have is those were all bought at the old prices. Today, whether it be Chinese tariffs or Vietnamese tariffs or Malaysian tariffs, all goods are coming in at a higher price. They should be a little bit more competitive. I mean, we are lowering, in some cases, we're lowering the price to move it, but we do have that opportunity. It's not the majority of the inventory. The majority of our inventory is good. We're always working on this.

Cheryl Zhang
Analyst, TD Cowen

Got it. Thanks for taking our questions.

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Martin Schwartz for any closing remarks.

Martin Schwartz
President and CEO, Dorel Industries

Okay. I want to just thank everybody for joining us today and listening to our story. I wish you all a good afternoon. Thank you.

Operator

This brings a close to today's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.

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