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Earnings Call: Q2 2023

Aug 11, 2023

Operator

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Dorel Industries' second quarter 2023 results conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star then zero. Before turning the meeting over to management, please be advised that this conference call will contain statements that are forward-looking and subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded today, August 11, 2023. I would now like to turn the call over to Martin Schwartz, President and CEO. Please go ahead.

Martin Schwartz
President and CEO, Dorel Industries

Right, thank you. Good afternoon, thank you all for joining us for Dorel's second quarter earnings call for the period ended June 30th. With me are Jeffrey Schwartz, CFO, and Frank Rana, VP of Finance. We'll take your questions following our comments. Again, all figures mentioned during this call are in U.S. dollars. I'm pleased to report that both our businesses showed signs of improving trends during the second quarter. Underlining this progress is that adjusted operating losses for Dorel Juvenile and Dorel Home combined improved by $13 million compared to Q1 this year. The teams at Juvenile have done a great job, and the segment posted its first profitable quarter since Q3 of 2021. Europe posted substantial top and bottom line gains as new product launches, in particular the 360 Pro Family car seat system, drove a strong recovery.

Dorel Home has also done a good job and is starting to turn things around. While a general softness in the demand for furniture muted their second quarter, causing an operating loss, the good news is that they posted sequential improvements for the third consecutive quarter. I'll look now at our two segments in more detail. During the Q1 earnings call, I said that we were very upbeat about Juvenile and expected an imminent turnaround. That materialized in Q2, with turnaround led by Dorel Europe, their highly innovative Maxi-Cosi 360 Pro Family. A new era of design and safety, featuring Dorel's revolutionary SlideTech technology, has performed extremely well to date. As a reminder, the 360 is a range of world's first comfortable, ergonomic car seat solutions, with a base that can both rotate and slide towards parents.

The 360 Pro Family sets a new standard in car seat innovation by making it easier than ever to secure children safely and comfortably in the car. Shipped in April, the product line is one of Dorel's most important introductions in a long time. 360 sales to date are most encouraging in Europe. For example, it was the U.K.'s number one seller in May and June. Consumer feedback has been highly positive, with a 4.8 out of 5 rating. We anticipate the months ahead to be rewarding as well, if not more so. An intensive marketing campaign is scheduled for France in September, and a new Mica 360 Pro SlideTech will be introduced in Q4, which is expected to boost sales as an innovative toddler solution.

Dorel Juvenile USA had a very difficult comp to beat as last year, the second quarter was the best in a long time. In 2022, supply chain issues were considerably eased, eased, which resulted in higher juvenile sales. That was not the case this past quarter, plus the bankruptcy and closure of Buy Buy Baby in April, meant there was one less retailer ordering and clearing old inventory. The U.S. division is, however, gaining market share. We foresee this turnaround will continue, and as noted, the situation at Dorel Home is looking much brighter. Retailers' glut of high-cost inventory, bought at the height of COVID, is increasingly being cleared. Costs have been coming down and sales volumes are starting to increase, a sure formula for margin and enhancement.

Our average daily orders have been increasing steadily since June, as retailers are getting back to normal with marketing plans and are finally restocking. July orders are 30% higher than this year's first half. Evidence that we are seeing light at the end of the tunnel. Retail prices are returning to pre-COVID levels, and margins are holding. Replenishment on store shelves had been a problem the last couple of years. Like many industries, retailers lacked the necessary employees to stock shelves, leaving consumers with limited in-store choices. This is now changing. Dorel Home branded sales are also better, with their four main brands up double digits. The cost of freight, particularly ocean freight, as well as warehouse and distribution costs, decreased in Q2. Inventory came down significantly, both year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter. After a number of quarters of reduced activity, staffing is being increased at our.

At the Tiffin, Ohio, and Cornwall plants to deal with the anticipated increase in domestic production. There are significant opportunities for increased business, which should materialize through the balance of the year at the three Dorel Home factories. Looking ahead, we fully expect the quarter-over-quarter earnings improvement that started in the first quarter to continue into the back half of this year. Dorel Juvenile is ahead of Dorel Home on that path and will improve its profitability across the quarters. We are also confident Home will return to an operating profit in the second half. The key to success in both segments will be continued growth in e-commerce, and just as importantly, at brick-and-mortar, where we are in a position to fully leverage our excellent, long-standing relationships around the globe.

Clearly, these are difficult times for consumers. We are working with the winners in our markets. Our heritage of retailer support and collaboration will enable us to win with our customers. This, combined with stable cost environment we have established, will also allow us to overcome the challenges in the market and should allow us to return to growth and profitability going forward. I'll now ask Jeffrey to review the financials. Jeffrey?

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Thank you, Martin. I'm gonna go pretty brief because, you know, this wasn't a great quarter compared to last year, but sequentially, we are getting out of the hole that we were in, and we continue to see better things ahead. Quickly, the second quarter's revenue decreased by 19.3% to $345 million from $427 million. Organic revenue decline was actually 19.6%, so almost the same. Gross profit for the second quarter decreased by $5.1 million. However, the gross margin for the quarter increased 210 basis points as a percentage, from 15.3% last year to 17.4%.

The decline in gross profit in the quarter was mostly in the Home, it was only partially offset by improvements in the Juvenile business. The operating profit at the end of the day, you know, Dorel reported a loss of $13 million, compared to $9.1 million, excluding restructuring costs, it was $13 million versus $6.9 million last year. Again, much less of a loss than Q1 as we move forward. Finance expenses increased by $1.5 million to $6.1 million during the quarter. That's mainly explained just by higher interest rates that we need to pay. If we get into the segments, the Juvenile segment declined $6 million or 2.9%.

Organic revenue declined by approximately 3.5%. You know, most of that decline was in the U.S. market, which was due to both a decline in revenue due to the network security incident we had at the beginning of April. As well, we had a pretty substantial quarter last year in the U.S. We saw improvements in the European, Canadian, and Brazilian markets. Europe, in fact, experienced double-digit revenue growth in the quarter from the successful launch of new products, and that gained more... Products were just as the mid-deal. Gross profit for the second quarter increased by $8.5 million or 18% from last year. The gross margin in the quarter was 25.9, representing an improvement of 460 basis points.

The increase in gross profit in the second quarter was mainly due to lower product costs, as the prior year's second quarter included a much higher container freight and significant impact from a strong U.S. dollar last year as well. Operating profit was $800,000 during the quarter, compared to a loss of $4.7 million. If we exclude restructuring costs, we still had a $3.4 million positive adjustment versus last year. If we move over to the Home business, second quarter declined by 36% to $133 million. POS sales continue to far exceed replenishment orders, and this has resulted in reduced inventory levels at the re- at our retailers, which is very important.

That should translate into increased order replenishment in the second half of the year. Gross profit declined by $13.6 million in the quarter, and the gross margin was 4%. That gross margin includes, you know, the lower factory absorption, and that's really, you know, like I like to tell people, we don't sell our products at 4%. With not absorbing enough through the volume in the factories, that's, that's the net result of that. Also included in the quarter was a continuing sale of high-cost inventory acquired in 2022. On a sequential basis, however, the gross margins did improve 260 basis points.

We are getting better costs, we are getting better freight, and we are starting to, to get out of that low-cost environment, high-cost environment that we had. The operating profit for Dorel Home declined by $12.2 million in the quarter, to an operating loss of $10 million, versus a profit of $2.2 million. Again, significantly better than, than last year. Sorry, significantly better than last quarter, Q1, as we continue to, to move ourselves out. Our optimism looking forward is based on, you know, a number of factors in both of our businesses. Lower costs, you know, both from the freight and the fact that, you know, we're buying at significantly lower prices today. That's allowed us to actually lower some retails of key items.

When we lower items, when we lower prices of these items, we see an uptick in volume. In some cases, it's double digit or higher double digit. We are starting to see a recovery from the fact that costs were so high in 2022. Better FX. A stable FX is allowing us to price our products and not take losses like we did last year. Last year's high U.S. dollar was really, really difficult in many of our international markets. We're seeing the stability or even the reduction in the value of the U.S. dollar is allowing us to have a very nice business around the world, particularly in the Juvenile.

One of the other areas that we're seeing, and again, I keep highlighting this because I can't emphasize it enough, particularly in the home side, the reduced amount of inventory at our customers. It was, it was, it was terrible, from, you know, the end of last year right through even into Q2. The difference between our POS and the, and the reorders was huge. It is getting to the point where in some of our large customers, that is going away. They now have the right amount of inventory they wanna carry, and we're seeing closer matching to what is actually selling and what they're actually ordering. The customers, because it's not an issue so much to clear, some of our customers that haven't really focused on, on, on merchandising and planning and new products are back in that mode again.

It's been a while because if we go back to the beginning of COVID, the-- a lot of our customers were just chasing inventory. They didn't have enough inventory, and they were just looking, where can they buy anything to put on the shelves? That changed dramatically last year when, you know, sales sort of dried up, and then our customers spent most of their time trying to figure out how to clear inventory. It's been years since we've really been able to sit down and really plan merchandising strategy on products and all of that. That, that's sort of coming back to normal again, which is great, and, and we're focused on the things that we used to do well. The last piece of where we're going here is better product introduction.

We've certainly done really well in Europe and juvenile. We've gained market share in all our other markets in juvenile. Most of that is just through better product, and I think our teams are really focused on, on bringing some great innovation to the market. We're seeing the results of that, and it's allowing our business to, to recover even quicker than had we not had these products. With that, I will pass it back to Martin.

Martin Schwartz
President and CEO, Dorel Industries

Okay, thank you, Jeffrey. I'll now ask the operator to open the lines for questions. As always, request that you limit them to two in the first round. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. We'll now begin the question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You'll hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Our first question is from Derek Lessard with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Derek Lessard
VP of Equity Research, TD Cowen

Yeah, good afternoon, everybody. I just wanted to maybe hit on your, your gross margin performance, specifically in Dorel Juvenile, Jeffrey Schwartz. Maybe just talk about, you know, some of the drivers there as well, and when do you expect, I guess, the U.S. to, to close the gap with, with Europe? Are there any sort of incremental changes that you need to, to get there? The margin in, in Europe was, was clearly, really good.

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Yeah, I mean, again, the reason for it, I think I just talked about it. It's, you know, lower cost, better FX, you know, better volumes in the case of Europe. A lot of that has come from new product introductions. You know, the U.S., again, I wanna stress, U.S. has gained market share during the quarter, despite having, lower sales. Again, a lot of it, you know, I don't want to call it artificial last year, but because of our customers chasing orders, they already just wanted as much inventory as they could, and we shipped a lot last year, and then it all kind of ground to a halt, even in juvenile. That's not gonna be the case, so the volume should, you know, improve.

New product is, is definitely guiding our margin recovery. Our gross margin recovery. Even in the U.S., we're selling more Maxi-Cosi products, which carries a greater gross margin. You know, that's been successful. Our customers at the high end are, are, are doing well. It is, again, a challenging environment in the U.S. We've lost Buy Buy Baby, and it's coming back. Somebody bought them, but they're-- I think what I heard is they're starting with 11 stores. It's gonna be a minor player for a while. The market itself is still challenging, and but we intend on growing through that. You know, we've got a lot of, of nice stuff coming through this, you know, the system. We can't forget, you know, our international business.

When the dollar is stable or coming down, it's got a meaningful impact, you know? We're, you know, we are the number one player in Brazil, where we, we make a lot of money in Brazil, and that's continuing despite the difficulties of Brazil. Everything just kind of, the way we called it, the perfect storm last year, it's kind of coming back along a lot of different lines. We expect to see gross margins improving, especially, you know, not having that high-cost inventory in the system anymore. That's gonna, you know, move our margins up as well. It should, you know, we're expecting that to continue.

Derek Lessard
VP of Equity Research, TD Cowen

Okay. I guess you did, you did call out some POS data in Home. Just curious about what you're seeing on the Juvenile side?

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

We're, we're seeing, I mean, again, it's a little bit of a mixed bag. You know, we're seeing it depending what customers. Some customers are down a little bit in POS from last year, and others are up significantly, you know, nice double-digit numbers. You know, overall, we're, we're pleased, and that's why we know we're gaining market share in a tough environment. You know, that to us is the most important thing, continue to gain market share. A lot of it's through innovation. I mean, it, you know, one, there's a couple of ways to get market share. One could be lowering your prices, to the point where you're lowering your margins, but that's not the case here. We're, we're pretty upbeat.

We, we think, you know, it's been a long time since, you know, we've been restructuring and tweaking and. You know, now things are in place, and we're starting to see the results. We're, we're very pleased with all the sort of the work we've done in the last few years to get to this place.

Derek Lessard
VP of Equity Research, TD Cowen

Okay. Good job on the working capital and taking down the inventories. Question's twofold: You think there's any more room there? The second one is, you know, we're seeing this in a lot of companies in this higher interest rate environment, but your receivables are up as well. Anything you can point to sort of on the customer payments, any categories like your 45 days or 90-day plus, where you're seeing any signs of upward pressure? Maybe, do you plan on stepping up the collection effort?

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

No, actually, nothing of, of, of significance on the accounts receivable. I mean, we've got a lot of good customers. You know, we did not take a hit on Buy Buy Baby. We were protected, so, you know, I think our team did a good job there. You know, we're watching it. I mean, I, I will tell you, maybe there's some places outside of North America and Europe that, you know, we have concerns on credit, and we're, we're cutting back a little bit because of that. That has not been, you know, material to, to the state.

Derek Lessard
VP of Equity Research, TD Cowen

Okay, Jeffrey, I'll, reach you for anything .

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Okay.

Operator

The next question is from Stephen MacLeod with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Stephen MacLeod
Managing Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Oh, great. Thank you. Good afternoon. I just wanted to just follow on, on a, on a couple of things here. You know, you talked about... You seem to have pretty good visibility into the inventory positions at retailers and seem very optimistic about those levels declining. I'm just curious, you know, what kind of visibility do you typically have, or would you have now in terms of replenishment orders?

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Yeah, I mean, that's another reason we're somewhat optimistic, particularly on the home side. We're seeing them coming in finally. We've been waiting and waiting for certain orders that we know will sell this year, and finally, in sort of the June, July, August period, they're coming in again. I think Martin made a comment, but, you know, orders, you know, the receipt of orders in the last few months is substantially above, where it was in the earlier part of the year for the home business. Which, you know, again, our big problem is volume. I mean, better volume is gonna lead to better margins.

Now we're starting to see those replenishment orders or those new sort of planning orders, where, like I mentioned, you know, before it was just about clearing goods, and now it's like, okay, we gotta get back. We need to sell, you know, this folding chair. We need to sell this table. We need to sell, you know, this fireplace stand, whatever it is. The orders are starting to come in, and they're priced right. You know, new, new merchandise coming in, it's coming in at the, the, you know, we'll call it pre-COVID costs. The pricing in the marketplace is less. Our margins are good, our retailer margins are good. It's starting to get back, and we're starting to see that stuff coming.

Stephen MacLeod
Managing Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Yeah, that's great. Then, and then maybe too, maybe too soon to say, but, you know, again, you seem, seem confident on the return to gross margin, particularly given some of the factors you talked about. Sounds like in both the juvenile and the home businesses. You know, is it, is it too soon to say sort of what those gross margins may get back to in terms of, where they sit relative to historical levels compared to, sort of the very low levels we've seen recently?

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Yeah, I don't have that visibility on the home side quite yet. The juvenile is looking to get back to sort of pre-COVID gross margin levels or maybe even better now. The more success we have with our new products, the, and the more success we have, you know, selling Maxi-Cosi in the U.S., all of those are higher margin. We're really focused on, on changing the mix to the higher end stuff, and so far it's going well. Yeah, definitely looking to get back to pre-COVID levels, but perhaps even do better than that.

Stephen MacLeod
Managing Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, that's great. I guess, is it safe to say that, sounds like you're incrementally more confident on the juvenile visibility than home? Is that sort of fair thing to say?

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Yeah, I think the reason being, we've, we've actually turned the corner in Q2. You know, we've, we've actually seen some really good data in Q2. It's now, well, not April, you know, we're seeing sequentially, you know, Q2 is better than Q1, Q3 is gonna be better than Q2. Within Q2, we saw that June was substantially better performance than April. When you put that together, we just, you know, the trending is just good, and we see it, we're more comfortable with our forecasts this year. I think. You know, the market is where I'm a little more concerned on the juvenile side. I feel really good about what we're doing and our ability to get listings and our ability of our products to sell.

You know, Europe is definitely leading the way. The U.S., I wanna, you know, make sure people realize we're, we're also gaining share in the U.S. We don't have that spectacular one product. You know, it's coming from a lot of different products. The mixes are good. You know, we're selling good, good margin products, and we're focused on that. Yeah, definitely a lot more confidence on the juvenile. The home is just starting. Q3 is the turning quarter, while juvenile was Q2. I guess that-that's the confidence difference.

Stephen MacLeod
Managing Director of Equity Research, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. That's great color. Thank you.

Operator

The next question is, repeat from Derek Lessard with TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Derek Lessard
VP of Equity Research, TD Cowen

Thanks, Jeffrey. I just want to follow up on the, on the visibility, and the, on the gross margin. Did you have, do you have a sense of the, of, of the timing of, of getting that gross margin back up to the pre-COVID or, or better level?

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

I think I'm expecting, you know, in juvenile, you know, Q3 to be better than Q2, and then Q4 to be better than Q3. You know, exactly when we're going to be, you know, into the 2024 margin, it's a little early, but, you know, we are, we are making some very good progress.

Derek Lessard
VP of Equity Research, TD Cowen

Okay. One final one for me, and it pertains to the cybersecurity incident. Were the, were the lost sales in Q1, were you ever able to recoup them in Q2? If not, was there still an impact from the cybersecurity in Q2?

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Yeah, definitely. It took us, I think, as late as mid-April, right, to get some of our systems back online. We did lose two weeks. Now, again, some of that sales gets pushed into another week. Some of it's gone. You know, we had two other sort of quirky things, which I don't know that I want to get on that on, on, on this forum, but things that actually ended up impacting us right through the whole quarter by not getting goods out on a timely basis at the beginning of April. There was definitely an impact to the entire quarter, mostly in the U.S. That's, that's where the system stayed down the longest.

Derek Lessard
VP of Equity Research, TD Cowen

Okay, that's it for me. Thanks, guys.

Jeffrey Schwartz
CFO, Dorel Industries

Okay.

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Martin Schwartz for any closing remarks.

Martin Schwartz
President and CEO, Dorel Industries

Thank you. I just wanna thank all of you for joining us this afternoon. I wish you all a very good weekend. Thank you.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating and have a pleasant day.

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