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Earnings Call: Q4 2023

Mar 29, 2023

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Dollarama Fiscal 2023 Q4 Results Full Year Results Conference call. Neil Rossy, President and CEO, and J.P. Towner, CFO, will make a short presentation, followed by a question and answer period open exclusively to financial analysts. The press release, financial statements, and management's discussion and analysis are available at dollarama.com in the investor relations section as well as on SEDAR. Before we start, I have been asked by Dollarama to read the following message regarding forward-looking statements. Dollarama's remarks today may contain forward-looking statements about its current and future plans, expectations, intentions, results, levels of activity, performance, goals or achievements, or any other future events or developments. Forward-looking statements are based on information currently available to management and on estimates and assumptions made based on factors that management believes are appropriate and reasonable in the circumstances.

However, there can be no assurance that such estimates and assumptions will be proved to be correct. Many factors could cause actual results, levels of activity, performance, achievements, future events, or developments to differ materially from those expressed or implied by the forward-looking statements. As a result, Dollarama cannot guarantee that any forward-looking statement will materialize, and you are cautioned to not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. For additional information on the assumptions and risks, please consult the cautionary statements regarding forward-looking information contained in Dollarama's MD&A, dated March 29th, 2023, available on SEDAR. Forward-looking statements represents management's expectations as at March 29th, 2023, and except as may be required by law, Dollarama has no intention, undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise.

I would now like to turn the conference call over to Neil Rossy.

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

Thank you. Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. This morning, Dollarama released outstanding full-year fiscal 2023 results, meeting or exceeding annual guidance across all key metrics. We capped off the year on a particularly high note, delivering exceptional performance in the Q4. Our strong operational and financial results reflect the continued positive consumer response to our year-round value proposition, which has only been reinforced in the context of high inflation. Our resilient and flexible business model enabled us to deliver from a procurement, operational, and cost management perspective while navigating a dynamic environment. That dynamic environment included lingering supply chain dislocations, which had to be carefully managed. Through fiscal 2023, we were very proactive in rebuilding our inventory to pre-pandemic levels, and in circumventing some of the delays in the system impacting all retailers, all while mitigating the impacts of rising freight and logistics costs.

Working through this was no easy feat, and I'm proud of the flexibility and capacity demonstrated by our procurement and logistics operations as we accomplished what we set out to do. We kept the goods flowing to our stores throughout the year, including for key seasons, and we successfully brought our inventory and in-stock positions back to acceptable levels by year-end. Our inventory position has also grown in tandem with our continued store network growth, strong same-store sales performance, and the introduction of higher price points. Fiscal 2023 marked the gradual rollout of new price points up to CAD 5 beginning last summer, more than six years after our CAD 4 price point introduction. To date, this new retail offering has been very well-received by customers coast to coast. It has enabled us to offer new compelling SKUs.

It has allowed us to bring back SKUs that were appreciated in the past but discontinued because of prohibitive costs. In addition, it has enabled us to continue offering several SKUs despite rising costs. We will continue to provide a wide array of compelling products at each of our price points, ranging from CAD 1 or less up to CAD 5, and to refresh our products throughout the year as we always have. We remain extremely disciplined in our pricing strategy across all price points item by item to preserve our year-round relative value. Turning now to our Canadian footprint. We opened 65 net new stores in fiscal 2023, consistent with the prior six years, bringing our Dollarama store count to 1,486 stores as at January 29th, 2023.

Going into fiscal 2024, we have a solid real estate pipeline with site opportunities across the country. Near term, we are looking forward to the opening of our 1,500th net new store, making a significant milestone along our roadmap to reaching our long-term target of 2,000 stores in Canada by 2031. From a logistics perspective, and in support of our long-term Canadian growth plans, we commissioned our seventh warehouse just before fiscal year-end. At approximately 500,000 sq ft and located near our existing logistics operations, the Laval facility significantly increases our warehousing capacity. Finally, as discussed on our last earnings call, we intend to purchase strategically located industrial properties adjacent to our distribution center in TMR, providing us with additional flexibility to support our long-term logistics needs. That transaction is expected to close in the Q2 of fiscal 2024.

On the technology front, we continue to deploy capital towards transformational IT projects to the benefit of the business. One notable example this year has been the digitization and centralization of our recruitment platform for our store operations, which we believe will increase our efficiency and recruitment efforts as we continue to open new stores across Canada and keep our stores staffed in a tight labor market. I am also pleased with our progress on the ESG front throughout the year, including the publication of our climate strategy last June. This included our first-generation climate goal of a 25% GHG intensity reduction for Scope 1 and 2 emissions by 2030. This represents the first major step on our climate roadmap in the last year. We have already made very good progress towards achieving this goal, which we are tracking closely.

We look forward to providing our next annual ESG update in just a few months. Turning to Latin America, Dollarcity continues to perform well, meeting or exceeding our expectations in key performance metrics. Like Dollarama, the Dollarcity value proposition resonates with consumers in their LatAm markets, resulting in strong store sales growth and store opening cadence. With the opening of 90 net new stores in calendar 2022, their total store count is now 440. Dollarcity is making excellent progress towards its recently revised long-term store target of 850 stores by 2029 in its four current markets of operation. In conclusion, our outstanding performance in fiscal 2023 only reinforces the relevance of our value retail concept for consumers, the enduring strength of our unique business model, and our disciplined execution.

This is true for Dollarama in Canada and Dollarcity in Latin America. I would like to recognize and thank every Dollarama team member, from our stores to our logistics operations and head office, for their continued commitment to providing consumers with convenience and the best relative value on every dollar they spend in our stores. In the context of continued macroeconomic uncertainty, and inflationary pressures on consumers, our priority is to remain and maintain our value promise to Canadians from all walks of life in fiscal 2024. Our customers can continue to count on us. J.P., over to you to review our financial results in more detail.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Thank you, Neil. Good morning, everyone. Let's start with a quick overview of our exceptional Q4 results. Sales in Q4 grew 20.3%, reaching nearly CAD 1.5 billion. Same-store sales grew 15.9%, supported by a double-digit increase in transaction volumes. Our strong top-line performance was driven by a number of factors, including the absence of pandemic-related restrictions, the introduction of higher price points, and the successful product refreshes across our offering. While the trade-down by consumers, which accelerated throughout fiscal 2023, certainly boosted our consumable sales, our overall category mix remained quite stable and generally in line with the seasonal patterns. To illustrate, based on retail sales, consumables represented 42% of our mix in fiscal 2022 and 44% of our mix in fiscal 2023.

General merchandise and seasonal together continue to represent the majority of our total sales mix, two product categories which have long made Dollarama a shopping destination. Gross margin was 44.6% of sales compared to 45.2% in Q4 2022. The anticipated decrease reflects a slight change in the sales mix, as described above, and higher logistics costs related to our inventory rebuild. SG&A improved to 14.2% of sales compared to 14.5% the same quarter last year. This improvement primarily reflects the absence of COVID-19-related costs. EBITDA increased by 18.8%, and diluted EPS increased by 23% to CAD 0.91 for the Q4 of fiscal 2023. At year-end, inventory stood at CAD 957 million.

With a stabilized inventory position from Q3 to Q4, the vast majority of our inventory rebuild is now behind us. A few comments on full-year results and the financial metrics guidance we achieved before turning to the outlook for fiscal 2024. We delivered an outstanding sales performance throughout the year, delivering on our value proposition, which resonated more than ever in a high-inflation environment. This translated into SSS growth of 12% for the full fiscal year, exceeding our expectations of 9.5%-10.5%.

We maintained industry-leading gross margins of 43.5% of sales compared to 43.9% in the prior year, in line with guidance provided. SG&A came in at 14.3% of sales compared to 15.1% for fiscal 2022, an improvement primarily driven by minimal COVID-19 costs and the positive scaling impact of strong sales, also in line with our guidance. On the back of an acceleration in same-store sales, active gross margin management, and a higher equity pickup from Dollarcity, we delivered strong earnings growth with diluted EPS up 27% to CAD 2.76. Turning now to capital allocation. We remained active throughout the year on the NCIB front. In total, we repurchased 8.9 million shares for total cash consideration of CAD 689 million during fiscal 2023.

A cash dividend was also declared each quarter. Today the board approved a 28% increase of the quarterly cash dividend to CAD 0.0708 per share. CapEx came in at CAD 157 million, primarily due to the timing of the delivery of the racking of our new Laval warehouse, which will now fall under fiscal 2024 CapEx. In fiscal 2024, we will maintain a balanced approach to capital allocation by continuing to invest in organic growth and return capital to shareholders. We intend to maintain our pace of net new store openings with a target of 60 to 70 net new stores for fiscal 2024, in addition to continued investments in maintenance and transformational capital projects. As such, we expect to deploy between CAD 190 million and CAD 200 million in CapEx in fiscal 2024.

The year-over-year increase primarily reflects the remaining investments in our Laval warehouse. This CapEx budget excludes the CAD 87 million property acquisition agreement anticipated to close by the Q2. In addition to maintaining a dividend subject to quarterly approval, we intend to allocate our excess free cash flows towards the repurchase of shares through our NCIB. We continue to believe that this represents an appropriate and efficient use of excess cash to increase shareholder value. In the current macroeconomic environment, we will continue to actively manage our capital structure and anticipate that our leverage ratio will be below our historical target range of 2.75x-3x throughout fiscal 2024. Specifically in the current interest rate environment, our after-tax cost of debt compared to our earnings yield is not generating meaningful accretion. At year-end, our adjusted net debt-to-EBITDA ratio was 2.71x.

Turning to our financial performance guidance for fiscal 2024. On SSS, we expect that the first half of fiscal 2024, we will continue to benefit from strong demand for affordable everyday items in the context of continued inflationary pressures on consumers. Looking at our SSS performance in the Q1 of fiscal 2024, two months in, we are pacing at the same two-year SSS average as in Q4 of fiscal 2023. These demand trends are expected to normalize through the second half of the fiscal year. Our SSS growth expectation for fiscal 2024 is in the range of 5%-6%. While we anticipate higher demand for lower margin consumable products to carry over into fiscal 2024, lower freight costs and logistics costs on imported goods are expected to positively impact gross margins.

We've definitely seen a stabilization in global supply chains of late and believe we are in the final stages of its normalization. As such, based on our current visibility, we expect gross margin as a percentage of sales to improve year-over-year and to be in the range of 43.5%-44.5% of sales. Wage pressures on SG&A will be more substantial in fiscal 2024 compared to the prior year, partially offset by the positive impact of scaling as well as ongoing efficiency initiatives. Accordingly, SG&A guidance for the full year is in the range of 14.7%-15.2% of sales. Rotating challenges seem to have been the hallmark of the past few years.

Our ability to consistently deliver through the pandemic, persistent supply chain issues, increasing economic and geopolitical instability, and rapid inflation speaks to the relevance of our value promise and the resilience of our business model. These factors position us well for continued growth despite the uncertain economic context. That concludes our formal remarks, and I'll turn it over to the operator for the Q&A.

Operator

Thank you. We will now take questions from the telephone lines. If you have a question and you're using a speakerphone, please lift your handset before making your selection. If you have a question, please press star one on your device's keypad. You may cancel your question at any time by pressing star two. Please press star one at this time if you have a question. There will be a brief pause while the participants register for questions. Thank you for your patience. Our first question is from Irene Nattel with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Irene Nattel
Managing Director and Senior Canadian Consumer Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks, and good morning, everyone. Great end to the year. I was wondering if we could start, please, with what you're seeing in terms of consumer demand for both, you know, both consumables and GM seasonal, and what the consumer response has been in particular to the higher price points.

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

Morning, Irene. It's been pretty even across most categories. Slight strengths, I guess, or strengthening of our consumables more than the non-consumable category. Really, we've seen an increase across all categories and the same for seasonal.

Irene Nattel
Managing Director and Senior Canadian Consumer Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Price points, Neil?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

Price points also very well accepted and aligned with existing price points. I think the gradual execution of the same relative value has been well accepted by our customers.

Irene Nattel
Managing Director and Senior Canadian Consumer Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's great, thank you. A couple of points of qualification, if I might, just around elements of the F-24 guidance. In particular, the SG&A, quite an interesting step up. What factors are at play there and kinda what causes things to end up at one end or the other? On the NCIB, how should we be thinking about magnitude of NCIB and funding of NCIB in FY 2024? Thank you.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Okay. Thanks, Irene. On SG&A, I think the first important point is to note that we're still facing an extremely tight labor market. I mean, we see unemployment rates where they are, and they're still fairly low level. In the second half of fiscal 2023, we've seen an acceleration in wage pressure. We talked about it on the last earnings call. We expect that trend to continue in fiscal 2024. I think we'll be able to offset a portion of that through revenue scaling and efficiency initiatives, but there's going to be a remaining impact to the bottom line. What's also important to note in addition to wages, is that we're seeing increased traffic in our stores, which means, more hours spent on replenishing our inventory, replenishing our shelves.

We're also in the last innings of our inventory rebuild, which means the goods are making their way from our DC to the stores, which also requires more labor hours. The vast majority of the SG&A increase is driven by the wage environment.

Irene Nattel
Managing Director and Senior Canadian Consumer Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks, J.P. The NCIB?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

On the NCIB, the first important comment is that we intend to remain very active on our NCIB program. When we talk in the press release and in my comments about the leveraging, it's important to note that that's not occurring as a result of our intent to pay down debt, but simply as a result of EBITDA growth, which will naturally bring our leverage down over the next few quarters. When I say our leverage down, I mean modestly down. I don't expect our leverage to be in a completely different zip code. We intend to remain very active on the buyback.

Irene Nattel
Managing Director and Senior Canadian Consumer Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

That's great. Thank you.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Thanks, Irene.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Brian Morrison with TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Brian Morrison
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, TD Securities

Oh, thank you. On the NCIB, can I just clarify that? So you're simply going to finance through your surplus free cash, or we should not expect any additional leverage to facilitate, correct?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

That's correct.

Brian Morrison
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, TD Securities

Thank you. I guess maybe for Neil, when I think about inflation starting to decline and possibly a bit of a mix shift away from consumables, it's clearly driving traffic right now. Is there a risk of ceding some of the market share you're gaining? What steps or are there any steps that you can take to ensure those gains are maintained?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

I think the best way to ensure it is to make sure that the customers that we're gaining, if we are in fact gaining customers, are satisfied that the lower prices that they're paying for their goods are for goods that are equally good or better. As long as we continue to source and procure goods that satisfy our customers' level of quality control and assortment, and we remain, you know, the best everyday value, we will likely keep many of those customers. The risk is always there, of course, that, you know, when they're in another store, when times are slightly less challenging, that they'll simply pay more.

We can only do so much, but I think the goal is to satisfy them in the sense that if they've come and they're new and they buy and they're satisfied and they've paid less, hopefully they'll be happy to pay less forever.

Brian Morrison
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Last question, J.P. Dollarcity new store growth should have been above the 8% equity income growth that you realized in Q4. Maybe just some details on the performance, be it sales or gross margin performance. What took place there? I would have expected it to be a slight bit higher.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Yeah. Q4 at Dollarcity, we saw excellent top line performance. The challenge was the inventory rebuild, like we had to go through in the second half of last year. They faced some of those temporary challenges. A good portion of that is behind them and behind us. I think you can assume that if it weren't for those challenges, you would have seen a higher net income pickup in Q4.

Brian Morrison
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, TD Securities

That's behind us now?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

For the vast majority.

Brian Morrison
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. Great quarter. Thanks very much.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Thanks, Brian.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from George Doumet with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

George Doumet
Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

Yeah, good morning, Neil and J.P. Congrats on a good quarter. For me, it's a two-part question on the gross margins. How much of the 60 basis point compression was mixed versus higher logistics costs in this quarter? Maybe looking ahead with fiscal 2024 guidance, is it more of a second half story? There's a pretty large range, in the guide. Maybe what factor is determining if it falls in the lower end or in the upper end of that range? Thanks.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

When you look at the Q4, gross margin compression, it's a mix of logistics and mix, and I'd say it's around 50/50. When you look at fiscal 2024 and you think about our guidance range, the big driver, of course, is number one, the mix. Keep in mind that last year, in the second half, we had the trade down happening, so we had the mix shift. Then, in the first half of this year, assuming the trade down continues, there could be an impact on the mix. On the flip side, we entered into new ocean freight contracts at the end of Q4, which are in effect, and that will impact us positively throughout the year.

Those are probably the two biggest drivers, the full year improvement in ocean freight costs and the mix story, which is a first half, second half story.

George Doumet
Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

Thanks for that. On the same-store sales guidance of 5%-6%, what are you guys thinking in terms of transaction count versus transaction size for the year?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

It's very, very hard to tell. We've seen good traffic pick up on the back of the trade down and market share gains. As I said on the gross margin comment, a lot of that was weighted and skewed towards the second half. There's probability that it's more a first half thing than a second half thing, but jury's out and we'll see how the year evolves.

George Doumet
Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

Okay, thanks. Just one last one, if I may. On the step up in CapEx for fiscal 2024, should we think of that as a level to build off of going forward? Is that can that tick down a little bit? Maybe for J.P., how should we think of working capital release, if at all, for fiscal 2024?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

On the CapEx, the envelope for last year, fiscal 2023, was CAD 160 million-CAD 170 million. We landed CAD 157 million. That's really the baseline. In fiscal 2024, we have some additional CapEx and therefore the racking of our Laval warehouse and all the finishes that will need to be made there, but the baseline is really fiscal 2023 levels. When you think about working capital, you saw from Q3 to Q4, we had a positive working capital influx from our inventory position that's now stabilized. As we said in our remarks, a lot of the supply chain pressures are now behind us.

That being said, anything could happen, but from what we're seeing right now, we're seeing a more stabilized supply chain, and therefore, if inventory stabilizes, you shouldn't see the same type of working capital pressures as you saw in fiscal 2023.

George Doumet
Equity Research Analyst, Scotiabank

Great. Thanks for your answers. I'll kick back.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Thanks, George.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Vishal Shreedhar with National Bank. Please go ahead.

Vishal Shreedhar
Equity Analyst, National Bank

Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Just on your expectations for the year ahead on same-store sales growth, you know, the 5%-6% same-store sales growth, wouldn't that functionally represents inflation in the system right now? Wondering how management is thinking about real same-store sales growth. Does this outlook imply, flat or negative real same-store sales growth at same-store or less inflation as we look into fiscal 2024?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Our same-store sales growth assumption are based on a combination of traffic and basket and unit and price. I think we're in an environment where on a real basis, we've been fortunate enough, as we talked about a bit earlier, to benefit from trade down and market share gains. That would definitely be real SSS gains.

Vishal Shreedhar
Equity Analyst, National Bank

Okay. With respect to the quarter, obviously, you know, very, very strong. Were there any transient events that happened in the quarter that may have impacted demand or anything of any significance, or was it?

You know, I don't want to say business as usual, but was it largely a smooth quarter in terms of demand trends?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

I think business as usual is the best way to put it.

Vishal Shreedhar
Equity Analyst, National Bank

Okay. Okay, that's it for me. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Karen Short with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Karen Short
Managing Director of Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Hi. Thanks very much. Good to talk to you again. A couple questions for me on comp. If I understood correctly, it sounds like your comp in Q1 is in that kind of 14%-15% range. I guess, is that accurate? Your full year guidance very much implies a slowdown in Q2 to Q4 on a one, two, and three year basis. Any color on that? Can you give an update on what comp you need to leverage fixed costs given the higher wage scale in SG&A that you guided to? I had one other quick question.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Yeah. O n the comp, we're as I mentioned, we're continuing to pace at levels that are higher than our historical average. I'm not going to comment on our expectations for Q1 SSS, but the levels that we're seeing as of now are higher than the historical averages. In terms of what it means for the second half, as we mentioned, we'll be comping very strong SSS levels in the second half, and therefore, the comps will be more difficult in the second half of this year than they are in the first half, and that's baked in our 5%-6% guidance range.

On the scaling for SG&A, the magnitude of wage pressures and wage growth, and when you compare that to our SSS assumptions, there's already some scaling embedded into it, but it's not enough to compensate for the wage headwind that we're facing in fiscal 2024.

Karen Short
Managing Director of Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Okay, that's helpful. Obviously we know you talked about inventory in detail, but what would be the right way to think about inventory growth in 2024, maybe on a per store basis, or just how to think about it in general now that you've kind of accelerated the receipts and you're back to a little more normalized level?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

The way we look at it is from a turns perspective. We look at the inventory turns. What we're seeing in Q4 of fiscal 2023 is inventory turns returning to pre-pandemic levels, so more normalized levels. When we were in the midst of the supply chain crisis, you saw inventory turns going up significantly. I would expect Q4 to be a decent gauge for how we think about inventory turns going forward.

Karen Short
Managing Director of Equity Research, Credit Suisse

Okay, thanks very much.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Thanks, Karen.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Chris Li with Desjardins. Please go ahead.

Chris Li
Managing Director of Equity Research, Desjardins

Hi, good morning, everyone. My first question, maybe for J.P., just on the SG&A, the midpoint of your SG&A rate.

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

Sorry, Chris, we just lost you. Chris, we'll circle back. Yeah, we'll move to the next question.

Operator

One moment, please. Perfect. Mr. Li, please go ahead.

Chris Li
Managing Director of Equity Research, Desjardins

Hello?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

Chris?

Operator

Chris Li from Desjardins, please go ahead. Your line is now open.

Chris Li
Managing Director of Equity Research, Desjardins

Okay. Sorry, can you hear me better now?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

Yes.

Chris Li
Managing Director of Equity Research, Desjardins

Sorry about that. I just wanted to ask, first question is just on your SG&A guidance. The midpoint is around 14.9%, which is about sort of 14.2% pre-COVID. I guess my question is, do you think sort of this is the new level given, you know, structurally higher cost pressure because of higher wages, or do you expect the rate to improve over longer term as you continue to benefit from the positive impact from scaling of the business?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

It's too early to tell. I mean, we'll see how the year evolves. There's a factor which is the labor market. There's another factor, which is our revenue growth and the scaling. It's too early to tell if that's the trend for the long term or if it's a yearly thing.

Chris Li
Managing Director of Equity Research, Desjardins

Okay. Then just on free cash flow, just based on your response to George's question earlier, can we assume you know that, you know, free cash flow for this year should be higher than last year?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

We don't provide guidance, as you know, Chris, on our free cash flows. It's usually a function of our EBITDA and our CapEx envelope, and I commented on our working capital. I think you can derive the equation.

Chris Li
Managing Director of Equity Research, Desjardins

Okay, gotcha. Maybe last sort of modeling question is maybe on depreciation and amortization. I think last year was up around CAD 35 million year-over-year. Again, directionally, should we expect a similar pace of increase for this year?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

We don't. Again, we don't provide guidance on depreciation and amortization, but keep in mind that it's function of CapEx, which is relatively in line with last year, and it's function of store growth, which is also relatively in line with last year.

Chris Li
Managing Director of Equity Research, Desjardins

Okay, got it. Maybe switching gears quickly to Dollarcity. I think a couple of quarters ago you've mentioned that your partners did not really have an intention to exercise the put option in the near term. Just want to check in to see if that is still the case, or if you can comment on that?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

For now, that is still the case.

Chris Li
Managing Director of Equity Research, Desjardins

Perfect. Maybe, Neil, just wanted to ask you a question. You mentioned that you're seeing some, you know, consumer response to the new higher price points has been very strong. I was wondering if you can maybe unpack that for us a little bit. You know, where are you seeing the strength and what metrics are you looking at? And maybe if you can share with us, you know, within the higher price point, are the vast majority of them being sort of new products that you haven't sold before? Because based on our survey, I mean, obviously, that's what we're seeing. We just want to confirm if that's the case, that these higher price points are mostly new products that are really resonating with consumers. Thank you.

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

The vast majority are definitely new product, as you've clearly noted, and they range across all departments in the store. I think that the strategy we've always tried to be very conscious of, in order to not overwhelm both our customer, nor our buyers with, you know, with a pressure to specifically buy certain price points for certain categories. We try to offer a range of values across all departments, and this is simply allowing the buying group to provide even greater values at higher price points, while maintaining our same relative value to the market on a new range of goods. Honestly, there's not any given department that really sticks out. I would tell you it's quite even.

Chris Li
Managing Director of Equity Research, Desjardins

Perfect. Thanks so much, and all the best.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Thank you, and you too.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Martin Landry with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Martin Landry
Managing Director of Equity Research, Stifel

Hi. Good morning. I was wondering if you can talk a little bit about the rollout of your self-checkout terminals. Wondering if you can give us an update as to where you're at right now, how many locations have these terminals, and what have you seen in terms of customer adoption?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

On self-checkouts, we've completed most of the retrofits on existing locations out of our existing store base. For new stores, it's really a store by store decision. I wouldn't expect self-checkout to apply to all our new stores. It's really a function of traffic and different shopping patterns that we analyze on a case by case basis.

Martin Landry
Managing Director of Equity Research, Stifel

Okay. Is it fair to say that they're in your legacy stores, everywhere in your legacy stores?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

No. No, they're in about 20%-25% of our legacy stores.

Martin Landry
Managing Director of Equity Research, Stifel

Okay. What are you seeing in terms of impact on your labor costs with these self-checkout terminals?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

It's not a labor cost thing. It's really a customer experience element. The focus is to give them the transaction volume traffic growth that we saw pre-pandemic and we're seeing now is to optimize the checkout lines and make the experience better for customers.

Martin Landry
Managing Director of Equity Research, Stifel

Okay. Just moving on to your new store openings. You know, you keep opening stores at a fast pace, you know, more than one week. I was wondering, where do you open your new stores? Are you going into smaller rural communities, or are you going into new suburbs around fast growing cities? Like, just an idea of to where are you putting new stores right now?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

Well, much like our buying, our sourcing of properties is vast and varied and really it's more a question of opportunity than it is strategy per se at this point. We're interested in, you know, malls. We're interested in strip centers. We're interested in standalone buildings. We're interested in any location that we think will increase the convenience to our customer base and not cannibalize existing stores. Our new store pipeline generally has a very mixed look with regards to the type of real estate opportunity and , you know, foreseeable future, that remains the case.

Martin Landry
Managing Director of Equity Research, Stifel

Okay. My last question is on Dollarc ity. I know you don't give guidance on Dollarcity. I s there anything that you can mention or reiterate to help us model Dollarcity this year, you know, in terms of cadence of earnings or anything that you want to just remind us?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

I mean, a lot of the trends we're seeing in Canada would apply to Dollarcity in terms of customer shopping patterns and cadence. In terms of store base for fiscal 2024, we think we'll be able to open 60 to 70 net new stores at our Dollarcity locations.

Martin Landry
Managing Director of Equity Research, Stifel

Okay, that's helpful. Thank you.

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Peter Sklar with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Neil, these like, very high traffic trends that you're experiencing. D o you have a feel, is it people coming back to shop more frequently or do you think you're attracting new customers like immigrants, or are you going to say all of the above?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

I would say that if immigrants are landing in Canada in Mercedes-Benz and as well as walking then it's only immigrants. Otherwise, I would say it's all of the above. We really do see just a general trend and in interest in checking the value that we've always offered to, you know, different groups of people that may not have felt any need to shop at a Dollarama, although that breaks my heart. It's everyone. It's a general thing across the board, really, you know, the hopes are that they enjoy the experience, they enjoy the value of the shop and the goods they're buying, and that we keep as many as we can.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. Last question on a different topic. This dividend increase you had of 28% is, you know, an extraordinary increase. Can you talk a little bit about, you know, the thinking of management and the board and why you went for such a substantial increase?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

We don't have a formal dividend policy, but we try and we've done it in the past, when we have strong EPS growth, we try and maintain a payout that's generally in line with historical levels. That' s the thinking process. We had strong EPS growth and, we want to keep a payout that makes sense and have a balanced capital allocation.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. J.P., how do you think about the dividend payout ratio? What's your target range?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

There's no target range. It's a year by year decision. We don't have a formal dividend policy. But we felt that this year was appropriate to maintain it in line with historical levels.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay, thank you.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Edward Kelly with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Edward Kelly
Managing Director of Equity Research, Wells Fargo

Hi, everyone. Good morning. I wanted to just start on the labor front, wage front, and really just taking a step back, you know, on a multi-year outlook. I guess the first part of this is, as you think about the wage investment that, you know, you are now making, you know, how much of that is in response to sort of like turnover, applicant flow versus just market? How do you feel about where you're going in your average hourly rate? Then as we look sort of beyond, you know, the current year, is wage inflation just going to be dictated by market, or do you have a bit more company specific work that you're looking to do, as we think about, you know, even the out year?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

The turnover and the market question are related because turnover is function of market, and we compete in a global labor market across Canada. We always strive to pay competitive wages. We adapt to the market as the market evolves. We've seen, as we mentioned, wage growth acceleration in the second half of this year, and we're adapting to that, and that's reflected in our guidance. That's really the thinking behind this. There's no anything special or anything more than just the current market environment, like many other retailers have discussed.

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

To be clear, we realize that our employees at store level, associates in particular, you know, it's really an entry job. There will always be turnover, and it is a first job for many people. You know, the focus of the company is to ensure that, you know, the environment's safe, it's positive, that there's career opportunities and, you know, that it's a great job and even though it's not a very high paying job, it's a job that they enjoy, you know, within the constraints of the salaries that one can earn as an entry-level job. It really is a priority for the company to ensure that regardless of pay, those employees are enjoying the experience, and that we're providing, you know, the proper environment.

Edward Kelly
Managing Director of Equity Research, Wells Fargo

Okay, great. Just on the freight component, I know you've talked about, you know, you signed the new contracts. How does that roll into the year? Is that more of a sort of Q3, you know, Q4 story that wraps into the out year? Or, you know, do you begin to see some of that immediately in Q1?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Yeah. As we mentioned last year, around the same time, those contracts are, for the vast majority, renewed at the end of Q4 and it trickles in throughout Q1. You start seeing the impact in Q2, in the second half of the year.

Edward Kelly
Managing Director of Equity Research, Wells Fargo

Great. Just one last one for you on store openings. You've been pretty steady at the 65 number. You know, it's interesting, right? Five years ago, that was sort of 5.5%-6% growth. You know, it's now down to sort of like low 4%. Any thoughts on how that opening number evolves over time? Is that just the number that you're comfortable with, or is there opportunity for that to go higher?

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Well, it's the number that allows us to, number one, achieve our growth ambitions with our store target. More importantly, it's also the number that the real estate market can achieve in our segment in Canada, and we think is reasonable. We always adjust in function of that real estate market and how it's moving. It's been a steady pace for the past few years and a place where we feel comfortable, and the market feels comfortable, absorbing our square footage demand.

Edward Kelly
Managing Director of Equity Research, Wells Fargo

Great. Thank you.

J.P. Towner
CFO, Dollarama

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Derek Dley with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Derek Dley
Managing Director and Head of Canadian Equities, Canaccord Genuity

Yeah. Hi, congrats on the, on the strong quarter. Just a question on the freight and logistics costs. Can you quantify what the, what the headwind from freight and logistics was during the, during the quarter or during the year?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

No. All that is baked in our gross margin guidance. We're pleased with our gross margin being flat to up 1%. It's all embedded in those assumptions.

Derek Dley
Managing Director and Head of Canadian Equities, Canaccord Genuity

Okay, thanks. I just thought I would try there. Just on the inventory, is most of that inventory or the vast majority of that inventory, that you have on the balance sheet now in the DCs or in the stores, or is there still a component of it that's in transit like there was last quarter?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

The bulk of it's in the warehouses and, flowing through the distribution center to the stores, but the answer is the bulk of it's in the warehouse.

Derek Dley
Managing Director and Head of Canadian Equities, Canaccord Genuity

Okay, thanks. Just following up on one of the questions earlier, have you been introducing, any sort of different store sizes or formats within the new store rollouts that you've been having? Should we still be thinking about new stores as, you know, roughly just over 10,000 sq ft boxes?

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

That's the right way to look at it.

Derek Dley
Managing Director and Head of Canadian Equities, Canaccord Genuity

Okay, great. Thank you very much.

Neil Rossy
President and CEO, Dollarama

Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions registered at this time. This will conclude today's conference. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.

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