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Earnings Call: Q2 2019

Aug 30, 2018

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the BRP Inc.'s Q2 fiscal year 2019 earnings conference call. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Philippe Deschênes. Please go ahead, Mr. Deschênes.

Philippe Deschênes
Investor Relations, BRP

Thank you, Elena. Good morning, and welcome to BRP's conference call for the second quarter of fiscal year 2019. Joining me on the call this morning are José Boisjoli, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Sébastien Martel, Chief Financial Officer. Before we move to the prepared remarks, I would like to remind everyone that certain forward-looking statements will be made during the call that are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. I invite you to read BRP's MD&A for a listing of these. During the call, references will be made to supporting slides, and you can find the presentation on our website at brp.com under the investor relations section. With that, I'll turn the call over to José.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Thank you, Philippe. Good morning, everyone, thank you for joining us. I'm happy to report that we continued our positive momentum into this quarter as we once again deliver solid results and our best second quarter ever. The demand for all our product lines remained robust, driving retail sales growth that continued to outpace our industry around the world. We also achieved significant milestones on projects that will allow us to sustain our growth trajectory in the future, notably by completing two acquisitions and the creation of the new Marine Group. Through it all, our team continued strong execution by increasing production capacity in our site and are gearing up for new product launches at our upcoming dealer meeting.

Our results came in ahead of our expectation for the quarter, given the positive momentum we are experiencing and the good visibility we have on the back half of the year, we are comfortable increasing our guidance for the end of the year with normalized EPS growth of 30%-35%. Let's turn to the financial highlights of the quarter on slide four. Our revenue reached a record level for a second quarter at CAD 1.207 billion, representing a year-over-year growth of 18%, driven by the continued strong demand for our Side-by-Side and personal watercraft lineups. Our gross profit margins were up 210 basis points, leading to a 72% increase in normalized EBITDA, which reached CAD 144 million and a 230% increase in normalized EPS that ended at CAD 0.66. Our retail sales growth was also impressive.

In North America, the retail pace picked up starting in May and continued for all the quarter after a difficult month of April due to unfavorable weather, as you remember. Our Powersport product retail grew 16% in an industry that was up high single digits in the quarter. We outpaced all our sectors as our Can-Am Off-Road and Sea-Doo lineups continued to drive strong consumer demand and as the retail of the Can-Am Spyder picked up after a slow start of the season. Our retail momentum was also strong around the world, mainly driven by our Can-Am Side-by-Side and Sea-Doo personal watercraft, which are gaining traction in all our major markets. Our Powersport products are also performing well and outpaced the industry in all regions, with retail up 13% in Latin America, 11% in EMEA, and 21% in Asia Pacific.

As you are aware by the sheer amount of activity, another sector that has seen healthy growth over the last few years is the marine industry. To reinforce our presence in that industry and leverage our Evinrude asset, we announced earlier this summer the creation of the Marine Group. Our objective is clear: to become a leading global marine company. Our strategy to achieve that objective is Buy, Build, and Transform. Concretely, we want to create a global marine business through acquisition to reach a critical mass, allowing us to accelerate our presence and be a significant player in the industry. We'll then drive growth and efficiency by optimizing the dealer network, driving conversion to Evinrude engines, capitalizing on shared opportunities between brands, and leveraging each brand's know-how and expertise.

Based on our recognized approach to innovation and design expertise, we believe that we have the ability to transform the industry and to do for the Marine business what we have done for the Powersport business. As a first step toward achieving our objective, we completed this summer 2 boat company acquisitions. First, with the acquisition of Alumacraft, a premier manufacturer of aluminum fishing boats, and secondly, with the well-known Manitou Pontoon Company in Q3. These acquisitions allow us to enter the aluminum all-around fishing and pontoon segments, which are the 2 fastest-growing segments and represent over 50% of the U.S. boat industry. Entering the boating industry is a natural next step for us, and it represents many opportunities in terms of leveraging the network of 275 Alumacraft dealers, 150 Manitou dealers, and over 1,000 Evinrude dealers in North America.

We are pleased to welcome these 2 companies and their 400 employees to the BRP family. They provide us, along with Evinrude, strong foundation on which to build our Marine Group. Now, quickly before moving to the review by product category, the creation of the Marine Group requires adjustment relating to our segment reporting. This will result in some slight changes to the product category for which we report revenue. Year-round product and seasonal product will remain as is. However, the propulsion system and pack category will change and will now be the Powersport pack and OEM engines category, which will include pack revenue for year-round and seasonal product, as well as OEM engine for kart, motorcycle, and recreational aircraft, and the marine engine, boat, and related packs. Sorry. Now let's turn to slide 10 for year-round product highlight.

Revenue were up 26% for the quarter, driven by a higher volume and favorable product mix of Side-by-Side. On the retail side, both Can-Am Side-by-Side and ATV ended their 2018 season on a strong note. For Side-by-Side, the North American industry completed its 2018 season on June 30th, with retail up high single-digit %. For the same period, Can-Am Side-by-Side retail was up in the mid 30%, gaining market share in both the utility and sports segments. We are seeing solid growth across the lineup and the popularity of our specialized models, such as the Defender Lone Star, the Maverick X3 X rc, and our mod-ready Maverick X3 and Defender, is helping us deliver superior profitability for us and our dealers.

Our Side-by-Side business also continued to grow rapidly in international market with retail sales in Western Europe, Latin America, and Asia Pacific region all growing above 25% in the quarter. Turning to ATV. The North American ATV industry also ended its 2018 season on June 30th, with retail down low single-digit. For the same period, Can-Am ATV is up mid-single-digit and ended the season with the number 3 market share position in the North American market, a first for the Can-Am ATV. Now looking at Spyder. Nine months into the 2018 season, the North American three-wheel motorcycle industry is down high single-digit %, impacted early into the season by unfavorable weather. Can-Am Spyder retail was also down high single-digit over the same period, as retail picked up in the second quarter with a growth in the low teen %. Turning to seasonal product on slide 11.

Seasonal product revenue were up 21%, driven by a higher volume and a favorable mix of personal watercraft sold, as well as a favorable mix of snowmobile sold. Looking at retail sales for personal watercraft, 10 months into the season, the North American industry retail is up high single-digit %. Sea-Doo retail is up low teen % over the same period, notably achieving strong market share gains in the higher-end segment of the industry, driven by the success of the new platform and its multiple innovative new feature, such as better riding, handling, and the ease of use of our accessories and the popular new audio system. While Sea-Doo growth in North America is solid, the growth in the rest of the world is even more impressive, with quarterly retail growing over 25% in EMEA and Asia Pacific region and over 60% in Latin America. Sorry.

Continuing with a quick look at the two new revenue reporting category. Starting with the powersport pack and OEM engine category, revenues were up 3% in the quarter as the continued growth of our accessories sales, notably for Side-by-Side and personal watercraft, was partially offset by a lower volume of motorcycle engines sold due to the conclusion of the supply agreement with BMW. Revenue for the marine engine, boat, and pack category were about flat in the quarter compared to last year, as a slight decline in outboard engine volume was offset by one month of Alumacraft revenue following its acquisition. Looking at retail sales, the North American outboard engine industry completed its 2018 season on June 30th, up mid-single-digit and with Evinrude retail down low single-digit. With that, I will turn the call over to Sébastien and will return for closing remark.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Thank you, José, and good morning, everyone. Our momentum continued in the second quarter as we delivered solid results that came in ahead of our expectations. Revenue reached CAD 1.207 billion for the quarter, up 18% over last year. We saw growth in all regions driven by year-round products, seasonal products, and our powersport pack and OEM engines category. Our gross profit margin was up 210 basis points and reached 23.2%, driven by favorable volume and product mix, primarily coming from our snowmobile, personal watercraft, and Can-Am SSV lineups and favorable pricing. These elements were partly offset by higher production and distribution costs. Normalized EBITDA was up 72% to CAD 144 million, and the normalized EPS reached CAD 0.66. We generated CAD 64 million of free cash flow and invested CAD 53 million on CapEx. We also completed the Alumacraft acquisition in the quarter for a total consideration net of cash acquired of CAD 80 million.

The Manitou acquisition, which closed this week, will be reported in our Q3 results. These acquisitions were done with cash on hand and using our revolving credit facility. Turning to slide 15, our normalized net income grew CAD 43 million in the quarter, resulting from a net favorable impact of volume mix pricing and sales programs for CAD 73 million and a favorable foreign exchange rate impact of CAD 12 million, partly offset by higher production, distribution, and depreciation expense for CAD 15 million. Higher operating expenses for CAD 15 million as we continue building our brand awareness through marketing efforts and higher normalized financing costs and normalized income tax expense for CAD 12 million. Now moving to the network inventory position on slide 16.

Our network inventory is up 7% over last year's second quarter level, resulting from the increase in inventory of our Can-Am SSV and PWC lineups to support continued growth in consumer demand. Partly offsetting these elements was a reduction in snowmobile network inventory, resulting from the good end of season we had last winter. Our network inventory position is very healthy for all product lines. Finally, turning to slide 17 for an update of fiscal year 2019 guidance. Before getting into the numbers, as José mentioned earlier, the creation of the Marine Group has resulted in some adjustments to our segment reporting, and we have adjusted our guidance to reflect these changes. All in all, the basis for the guidance remains unchanged with the exception of the modification of two product categories.

Starting with this quarter and going forward, we will provide guidance on two new product categories, powersport packed and OEM engines, and marine engines, boats, and packed. We will cease providing guidance on propulsion systems and packed product categories. The basis for all other metrics on which we are guiding remains unchanged. Now on with the numbers. In light of better-than-planned results we have achieved so far this year, the continued strong momentum with our Side-by-Side business, supported by the additional capacity at Juarez 2 plant, the sustained and robust worldwide demand for personal watercraft, given the good retail season we are having, the improved outlook for the upcoming snowmobile season, and the acquisition of the Alumacraft and the Manitou boat companies, we are increasing our revenue guidance for year-round products to up 18%-21% and for our seasonal products guidance to up 9%-12%.

Our initial guidance for powersport pack and OEM engine starts with a range of up 3%-7%, with the underlying assumption in growth in pack partly offset by the reduction in volume of motorcycle engines sold to BMW. Our initial guidance for marine engines, boat, and pack is a range of up 15%-20%, with the bulk of the growth resulting from the addition of the boat businesses we have acquired. Our total company revenues are now expected to grow 12%-16%, with 2% of that growth coming from the two boat company acquisition. The total company revenue also includes a 2% increase versus our previous guidance coming from favorable foreign exchange rates. Our normalized EBITDA growth has been reviewed upward by 3%. It is now expected to be up 20%-22%, and our normalized EPS now expected to grow 30%-35%.

The strong momentum we have is allowing us to increase our guidance for the year, despite the continued headwinds coming from inflationary pressures, notably related to commodities, tariffs, and freight costs. These elements represent a negative impact of CAD 20 million versus our initial guidance that we provided in March and a negative impact of CAD 5 million versus our updated guidance we shared with you in May. Based on current trends, we expect that the continued inflationary pressures could impact next year by an additional CAD 25 million over this year. As for the boat company acquisitions, their impact on our bottom line is expected to be limited this year given the third and fourth quarters are typically softer in terms of profitability due to the timing of boat deliveries, which are usually more concentrated in the first half of the year.

On a full year basis, their impact in terms of normalized EPS is estimated at about CAD 0.10. Finally, a quick word on our expectations for the back half of the year. We expect the third quarter normalized EBITDA to come in similar to last year, as a better mix of products sold is expected to be offset by higher operating expenses and a lower volume of snowmobiles sold due to the timing of production, which will shift some deliveries to the fourth quarter. This implies that all of the H2 normalized EBITDA growth is expected to be generated in the fourth quarter, driven by the continued strength across the business and by the shift of some snowmobile shipments from Q3 to Q4. That being said, we have visibility on the back half of the year and are confident in our ability to deliver on our guidance.

With this, I'll turn the call back to José.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Thank you, Sébastien. Before I conclude my remarks for this quarter, allow me to take a few moments to share with you an update on our Challenge 2020. You will remember that we launched three key objectives for the organization in April 2015, with a focus on growth, agility, and being a lean enterprise. These were intended to get us to our objective to delivering CAD 3.50 in normalized EPS by fiscal year 2021. We have been pleased with the progress we have experienced to date on almost every level. We have more than doubled our side-by-side retail volume since 2015, with six new platforms introduced over the past three years. Our ATV market share has made it to the top three in North America during that period. Our personal watercraft and snowmobile market share have reached record levels.

We have developed a value proposition for dealer engagement that is the best in the industry. We have returned over CAD 900 million in capital to shareholders to share repurchase and dividends. As you are aware, our marine strategy is now launched with the acquisition of two boat companies and the creation of the new Marine Group. All of these accomplishments have been made possible by our dedicated workforce around the world and our focus on our strategic initiatives. Despite the current geopolitical and economic climate and resulting headwinds such as commodity, tariff impact, and freight cost, our strong momentum should allow us to achieve our objective to deliver at least CAD 3.50 of normalized EPS in fiscal year 2020, one year earlier than initially planned. As for Q2, it is clear that we have been on a positive trend. There are a few highlights I believe worth sharing.

Our latest results show strong retail momentum in most sectors and markets. The team is showing great progress in improving the capacity at the Valcourt plant, which will be operational in H1 fiscal year 2020. The introduction of the new side-by-side model has been positively received by dealers and consumers. The creation of the Marine Group will lead us into new opportunities and help to unlock Evinrude's full potential. We are increasing our guidance for fiscal year 2019, as Sébastien remarked. Finally, as I just mentioned, we are on the right path to deliver the 2020 objective one year in advance and have no plan to stop there. All in all, we are very pleased with this quarter, but are taking nothing for granted.

We continue steadily in our plan with the same strategic focus to continue to deliver the best result possible, both for our customers and for our shareholders. To conclude, we have a lot of good news to share with you at our upcoming Club BRP. I look forward to seeing many of you there on September ninth and tenth in Denver, Colorado. On that note, I will turn the call over to the operator for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Please press star one at this time if you have a question. There will be a brief pause while the participants register for questions. We thank you for your patience. The first question is from Robin Farley with UBS. Please go ahead.

Robin Farley
Analyst, UBS

Great. Thanks. I wonder if you could put some more granularity around where you think Evinrude sales growth can go with the new marine strategy. Also, any sort of broad outlines about your market share targets in marine. At this point, are you looking to do more acquisitions or just sort of organic and synergy growth from here with these recent acquisitions? Thanks.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Good morning, Robin. First, we have a long-term plan. Our acquisition strategy is about Buy, Build, Transform. I will say the buy and build, and like you saw on the slide that we just presented, there is a lot of opportunities when you look only at the dealer network of Alumacraft and Manitou and the Evinrude in North America. Today, if I look, Alumacraft is about high single-digit market share of the aluminum fishing boat, and Manitou is low single-digit market share. Obviously those two brands are offering us a good base to grow market share, but again, it's a long-term play. On top of it, you're adding the dealer network optimization between the Evinrude, Alumacraft, Manitou dealer network, the conversion to Evinrude. There is a lot of opportunity, and that's why we invested in those product category.

It's too early for us to give you some color on the long-term plan. It's something that we'll do in the coming months.

Robin Farley
Analyst, UBS

Is the thought that you're still looking to roll up other brands out there in Marine?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

There is many company for sales in the world. Obviously, we're still looking. We are very happy with those first two acquisition. The quality of the brand, Alumacraft have been there 70 years, Manitou for a long time. The quality of the brand, the quality of the product is offering us a good base then. Obviously, we're still looking at maybe acquiring more company, but it need to meet our criteria in term of quality and brand.

Robin Farley
Analyst, UBS

Okay, great. Thank you. Then if I could just squeeze in one quick one on the RV market. It sounds like July RV sales accelerated from sort of April, May, June levels. Has that continued through August so far?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Momentum. Obviously, the fall is always a bit influenced by program. I would say this year on off-road, the program are slightly less than last year. The momentum of the industry and our momentum is continuing.

Robin Farley
Analyst, UBS

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Next question is from Gerrick Johnson with BMO Capital. Please go ahead.

Gerrick Johnson
Analyst, BMO Capital

Hey, good morning. I have a couple here. Of the three new platforms that you've used to attack the white space out there in the Side-by-Side market, the Defender, X3, and the Trail, can you talk about where you are right now in dealer penetration for each, sort of like Defender, say, you're three quarters of the way there or something in that context? Then also in the Marine segment, will you be showing us the intercompany sales of Evinrude to the boat group? Thank you.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

I will take the first one, Gerrick, and Sébastien will take the second one. On the Side-by-Side segment, obviously we're very aggressive on the sport category with the X3, the Maverick Trail, and now with the Maverick Sport. We're filling a lot of space into the sports segment of the industry. The Defender, the utility is new for us. We are very happy with the momentum of the Defender retail quarter after quarter. We see our numbers in unit growing, but there is also more thing we can do in that segment, as long as we continue to penetrate that segment. This is totally new for us. It's new for many of our dealers and us, and there is more opportunity there than in the sports segment in term of continuing growing.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

On your second question, Gerrick, the way we do the reporting, we'll have two segments. We'll have the Powersport segment, and you'll see that in our notes to the financial statements, and we'll also have a Marine segment. Within that Marine segment, you will have the selling of the engines and the selling of the boats, and there's no intercompany profit elimination that's going to be happening there or sales elimination. However, our objective is to increase penetration within Alumacraft and within Manitou, and occasionally we'll be updating you guys on how that conversion is going. Manitou today has about 40% of attachment rate of Evinrude engines, and Alumacraft is below 10%. We'll be obviously updating you occasionally on this.

Gerrick Johnson
Analyst, BMO Capital

Okay, thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Greg Badishkanian with Citi. Please go ahead.

Fred Wightman
Analyst, Citi

Hey, guys. It's actually Fred Wightman on for Greg. I understand there are still a lot of moving parts, but could you maybe just share some higher level thoughts on the trade negotiations that are going on today as far as NAFTA, Canada, and Mexico, and what that could mean for you guys going forward?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Yeah, obviously, it's been a recurring topic, as you know. This week has been a very active week on the trade front, which is positive because things are moving ahead, and it's removing ambiguity. NAFTA still stands today, as you all know. However, what was tabled earlier this week, Monday, or Tuesday, was an agreement between U.S. and Mexico. It's a bilateral agreement, very focused on the auto industry. When you look at the Powersport industry, which product categories fall under what was announced earlier this week, it's the ATV product line which is being impacted. They've also indicated that regional value content or RVC would increase, and depending on the component or the part, from 65%-75%. Today, ATVs, in order for them to be NAFTA compliant, they need to have 62.5% of the parts of NAFTA origin.

That increases the level of compliance. The teams will be doing assessments once the final regulations are out as to what the action plan is, whether or not compliance is feasible or not. But the good news, bad news is for us, ATV business, the transaction value between Mexico and U.S. is a little over CAD 200 million. If you're not in compliance, and again, I'm not saying that is our intention, but we'll refine our plans. If you're not in compliance, the total penalty would be in excess of CAD 5 million. It's obviously something we can manage through, but we'll also look to minimize that impact either through the ability to comply or looking at various sourcing strategies with a more Asian sourcing strategy, which will compensate any penalties we might have.

Fred Wightman
Analyst, Citi

Great. That's really helpful. I think you guys had mentioned CAD 25 million in cost headwinds that you were expecting or potentially looking at for next year. Can you just talk a little bit about what's baked into that number? Is it really just changes in commodities, or is there some other stuff that you're including there?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Yeah, there's three elements. The two big ones are commodities, which accounts for almost 60% of that amount. The other one is freight. We've seen freight costs increase significantly this year. Demand for truckers is high. Demand for flatbeds, for closed boxes as well is high, and that puts a pressure on all of the industry and all of the trucking industry. That's another element which we factored. Yes, the other component, which is minor, is tariffs, not extremely significant, but still impacting our business. That's built into that CAD 25 million.

Fred Wightman
Analyst, Citi

Great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Mark Petrie with CIBC. Please go ahead.

Mark Petrie
Analyst, CIBC

Good morning. Wanted to come back to the Marine division, and I wonder if you could just sort of comment about the industry at large. Obviously, it's had some nice growth over the last number of years, sort of rebounding from a tough period following the financial crisis. Could you just talk about sort of the performance over the course of time, and then any comment about the used inventory today and how you're sort of thinking about that?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Good morning, Mark. Obviously, we're not specialists yet on those product category, and you might find that funny, Alumacraft is building a lot of small boats that are sold without engine, and we need to be fine with them, with the management, what we consider power boat and not power boat. Just to give you a sense, for the U.S. market, pontoon and aluminum fishing represent about 60% of an industry in U.S. of about 175,000 units. We entering with those two brands in a big portion of the industry. Our reading for H1 for the industry and our two brands is the industry and the two brands have raised about mid-single digit. The industry is very healthy. It had a very good momentum in the last few years.

Q1 was a bit affected by also the bad weather in April, but it turned pretty good in the Q2. Overall, very happy with those acquisition because it's a big market. Like Sébastien mentioned, Alumacraft is rigged with about 10% only of Evinrude engine and Manitou about 40%. There is a lot of leeway to grow market share, but also to increase the Evinrude conversion going forward.

Mark Petrie
Analyst, CIBC

Okay, thanks. Could you just comment about sort of the evolution of used inventory in the industry and how important that is an element in terms of expectations for industry health and sort of growth going forward?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Yeah, maybe I'll comment, Mark. Obviously, the industry was very focused on used probably 10 years ago out of the recession, the trend that we're seeing is new boat sales are up positively, and that trend's been continuing. The increase in the overall interest in Marine, we're seeing it as well in Watercraft. Yes, there's a used boat market out there like any industry, the demand for new boats is there and we don't see it stopping in the short term, that's why for us, an acquisition in the boat industry was logical.

Mark Petrie
Analyst, CIBC

Got it. Thanks. Then just one, if I could, on the seasonality through the course of this year. Q2, in terms of sort of contribution to the total annual EBITDA, looks like it's substantially higher than what you guys have delivered in years past. How much of that is sort of the change in accounting impact, the IFRS 15 and IFRS 9? How much is just sort of a change in your business, just how should we sort of think about that, I guess?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Well, the first thing, under IFRS 15 change in accounting, last year numbers are restated as well, so there's zero impact coming from changes in accounting. If you see the growth in gross margin at 210 basis points, that's the big driver of profitability increase. The two main elements on the increase in gross margin, volume

drives 150 basis points of margin improvement and mix and pricing as well, about 220 basis points. The mix continues to be rich on watercraft. As José talked about, the new platform we launched last year is extremely well-received, and the demand for that product is strong, and that's where we've gained market share. That's a very rich mix. Side-by-Side continues to be rich as well in terms of mix with the Defender and the Maverick X3. Snowmobile as well. The units that we delivered this quarter were the higher-end models, and that drove profitability upward as well.

Mark Petrie
Analyst, CIBC

I guess, sorry, just to follow up, I guess bigger picture, there's no reason to think that the sort of seasonality of the business is such that you could have 20% of annual EBITDA coming in Q2, something like that.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

With Side-by-Side growing, the weight of Q2 should increase in terms of EBITDA contribution progressively, yes.

Mark Petrie
Analyst, CIBC

Yeah. Okay. Appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Craig Kennison with Baird. Please go ahead.

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Baird

Hey, good morning. Thank you for taking my question. It has to do with Evinrude capacity. Given the incremental demand you may see from Alumacraft and Manitou, what will you need to invest in capacity at Evinrude to supply that?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Good morning, Craig. First, before those acquisition, and we said it very often, Evinrude was very good to sell on the repower business, but that industry has shrank year-over-year. Right now, we are in the middle of the transition between G1 and G2. The G2 transition will be finished in the next 18 months. After, the layout in the factory will be a lot simplified, less complex for the operation. We believe we could probably double our volume with minimum investment. Some equipment here and there, but we have plenty of capacity inserted in.

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Baird

That helps a lot. Then you had mentioned that Evinrude is on maybe 40% of your pontoon platform and under 10% of your aluminum fishing boat platform. Have you done any work to understand that customer base? To what extent does your Alumacraft customer, for example, have an engine preference? If there is little preference there, could that number approach 100% over time?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Yeah, that's a very interesting question. It's always the same debate. Is the customer shop for a boat or customer shop for the engine? We believe that the majority of the customer shop for a boat. The engine is important for maybe 20% of the consumer, typically the consumer decide of the boat, visit the dealer, and with the dealer, decide which engine, which power he will buy. That's why it's always the same discussion we had. Is it the tail driving the dog or the other way around? We were at the point with the repower business shrinking so much that we needed to enter the boat business to unlock.

We believe that by offering integrated product, engine and boat, from the factory, first, it will be better quality product for the dealers and the consumers, also will make the choice easier for the consumer.

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Baird

Hey, thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Martin Landry with GMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Martin Landry
Analyst, GMP Securities

Hi. Good morning. On your two brands of Alumacraft and Manitou, wondering what is the geographic breakdown of sales? Is that mostly North American?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

That is only North America, mainly Midwest.

Martin Landry
Analyst, GMP Securities

Okay.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Yeah.

Martin Landry
Analyst, GMP Securities

Sorry, is there a potential to expand these products internationally, or that'd be challenging?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

We already have some requests from other country that there is interest for those type of boat. The difficulty to ship outside North America is the cost, but it's something that we'll definitely look at, but it's probably more a midterm, long-term play than short term.

Martin Landry
Analyst, GMP Securities

Okay. My last question is on Spyder. You had a good retail sale performance during the quarter. I think it was up low teens. Was this a rebound from delayed purchases in Q1 due to the harsh weather, or is this, you think, a sustainable trend?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

No, what happened, Mark, there was a delay because of weather also, like we've said. In Q1, retail was affected by the availability of some model with the new cluster, the new gauge, and this resolved in Q2. The other thing, when we saw the slow start in the spring, we've launched some programs earlier than typical, maybe a month earlier than typical. The combination of the incredible summer we had and the program launch earlier picked up in Q2.

Martin Landry
Analyst, GMP Securities

Okay. Thank you.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Jean-François Lavoie with Desjardins Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Jean-François Lavoie
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Yeah. Good morning, gentlemen. Congratulations on the quarter.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Thank you.

Jean-François Lavoie
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

I was wondering if you could provide an update on how you feel toward your position in the Spyder market, especially ahead of the introduction of the Project S, please.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Obviously, there is a lot of hype around the small Spyder that is coming. We're happy. Two years ago, we had too much inventory, and we depleted the inventory in the last two years. The inventory level is pretty comfortable in North America. There is pocket here and there, but overall, we're happy with the inventory level we have. This, just before the introduction of the entry-level Spyder, is very promising. Don't forget our strategy is to repeat what we've done with the Spark, with Watercraft. The Spark has generated a lot of interest, bring a lot of new customers into the store, and many customers who came in for a Spark were upsell to a high-end Watercraft. Since the introduction of the Spark, the market grew, I think 65%-70%. Now, we believe the same thing.

We believe that first, the price is the biggest barrier for purchase. That's why the used is so popular right now. If you look, the price of a used is very high. We believe by arriving with a family of product below $10,000, it will bring new customers, help the high-end RT and F3 lineup, but also bring a lot of the hype into the three-wheel vehicle business. Very upbeat. The inventory is at a good level, and very enthusiastic about what we'll launch in a few days.

Jean-François Lavoie
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Great. Thank you very much for the color. Maybe if you could provide an update on the initiative for increasing the numbers of drivers in this segment.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Yeah. It's going quite well. We have opened in North America right now, I'm going by memory, but over 125 schools so far, we'll give you some update in a few days when we are in Denver. We definitely have a very good momentum there. The take rate of the people taking the class is good. We feel good, and it's part of the strategy. Obviously, the small Spyder will generate a lot of hype, we need to facilitate the training for the consumer. It's coming together. Very happy about signing over 125 schools so far, and we're targeting more to come in the back half before the end of 2018. It's coming together.

Jean-François Lavoie
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Great. Thank you very much. Maybe lastly for me, you mentioned that the performance of the PWC market in the higher end of the segment. I was curious to know a little bit more about the lower end of market with the Spark. How is the growth performing so far in this segment?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Yeah. First, this year, just to give you a sense, the luxury high-end is about a third of the industry. The mid-range recreational is one-third, the Spark category is one-third of the industry. We are slightly above last year for recreational and Spark. Luxury performance, we are over 30% versus last year. We've gained significant market share on the high end because of the new platform. I think worldwide, we're sold out with the new platform. That's why we're going to the Club in a few days, very happy with our position and very well-positioned with the Watercraft industry, I would say worldwide.

Jean-François Lavoie
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Great.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Thank you.

Jean-François Lavoie
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Thank you very much, and congrats again.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Jaime Katz with Morningstar. Please go ahead.

Jaime Katz
Analyst, Morningstar

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I'm curious about the gross margin of the marine business. It looks like when you break it out, it's around mid-teen level. Given where we are in this cycle and the improvement that these manufacturers have had, I'm curious where you think that might be able to get to over the next few years and what sort of growth is implied in the top line to boost the gross margins.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Yeah. Obviously, when you compare the two businesses, the marine business margin is lower than our Powersport business. This quarter was a bit tougher quarter in terms of wholesale, in terms of production, that impacted the margins this quarter. As José said, we have capacity and the plan to easily double production, we're not running at full efficiency for that business. The long-term prospect for that business is obviously to increase margins. On the engine side, margins can come to where the Powersport business is. On the boat side, boat margins industry-wide are lower, probably, I'd say, 5%-10% lower than the powersport industry, depending on both segments. However, they've got lower operating costs in terms of overhead and lower CapEx investment, and they still deliver good profitability.

Our target is to bring the engine business closer to the powersport over our plan of Buy, Build, Transform.

Jaime Katz
Analyst, Morningstar

Okay. Your full year guidance implies that there is some slowdown in the back half relative to the first half. While the third quarter that you're lapping last year is pretty robust, the fourth quarter wasn't as great. I'm curious if there's anything that's giving you pause in the back half of the year, or if maybe you're just being cautious. Thanks.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Obviously, as I said, we're still going to be showing growth in the fourth quarter. We are investing in OpEx, the top line's going to be there in terms of growth. Margin's going to be there as well. In terms of operating expenses, we are investing more in the fourth quarter and the second half than last year, that's what's going to slow down a bit the profitability growth versus the first half.

Jaime Katz
Analyst, Morningstar

Thanks.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Also, don't forget commodity and tariff impact.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Yep.

Jaime Katz
Analyst, Morningstar

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Cameron Doerksen with National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Cameron Doerksen
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Yeah, thanks. Good morning. I guess just a couple of questions on following up on the questions about the NAFTA or U.S.-Mexico deal and the impact on you guys. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like only ATVs, as you understand it, are impacted?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Yeah. Oddly enough, ATVs fall under auto industry legislation for NAFTA, and what's been proposed between the U.S. and Mexican government is auto industry vehicle qualifications. Side-by-Side, personal watercraft, that's all excluded from the current discussions. NAFTA is still valid and they still fall under NAFTA.

Cameron Doerksen
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. What about Spyder? Because I guess the new Spyder is going to be manufactured in Mexico.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Spyder as well is going to fall under same category as Side-by-Side and personal watercraft.

Cameron Doerksen
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. I guess any issues around, because part of the deal has to do with a certain percentage of auto industry jobs have to be at CAD 16 an hour minimum or something like that. Does that have any potential impact on your labor force there?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Yeah. There'll be a regional value content and there'll be a certain percentage of labor. If you don't meet that, then you won't qualify for free trade and you'll pay the penalty of 2.5%. There's still a lot of questions as to, okay, what is CAD 16 per hour? Is it the direct labor that goes into the manufacturing and assembly of the vehicle? Or it's also supervisory management, and even R&D costs that are associated with the development of the parts. That's out there. It's still preliminary, but there's more information to come as to what is the definition of a labor cost at CAD 16 an hour.

Cameron Doerksen
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. No, very good. Just second question, I guess maybe bigger picture on M&A. You guys filed a CAD 2.5 billion shelf prospectus last week. I'm just wondering what we should read into that, and what your sort of bigger picture plan is for M&A. Obviously, you've got some potential plans to do additional boat building acquisitions, but are you still sort of thinking about something of a larger scale that's perhaps a new product line for BRP?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Yeah. Well, I'll take that question into two parts. The first part, filing the shelf prospectus is something that a lot of Canadian companies do. Every time we've had secondary offerings, we've needed to file a prospectus every time. By having a shelf that will facilitate future offerings that our major shareholders might want to do to the market, and that's the primary purpose why we did the shelf. On the M&A side, as José has alluded to in the past, we are open to M&A, and we'll do the acquisitions which makes sense to us. We do have the balance sheet and the flexibility to do it. That is still out there. It's not because we filed that shelf prospectus that we have an intention of closing a material transaction in the next few months.

Cameron Doerksen
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Got it. Very good. Thanks very much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Tim Conder with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Tim Conder
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Thank you. Congratulations, gentlemen, on the ongoing good execution.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Thank you.

Tim Conder
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

A couple here. Just wanted to follow up. Just wanted to clarify, are you looking, if we heard right, to consolidate some of the dealer networks on the Alumacraft and Manitou acquisitions?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

I don't think consolidate is the right word. When you map the 1,000 dealers that we have with Evinrude, east to west, south to north in North America, there is a lot of opportunities for Evinrude dealers who are not carrying Evinrude or Alumacraft to take over the line in open area market. There is some dealers that might decide to stop selling our boat because We will promote more Evinrude. There is a lot of optimization to be done with the dealer network. It will take probably a year, a year and a half to see what the dealer will do and to open up new dealers. This is definitely something that we believe will have a lot of benefit for both company and Evinrude, I would say midterm.

Tim Conder
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. You've talked about it several times, what you're coming up doing with Spyder, what you've done in personal watercraft. The boat acquisitions appear to be obviously a transom strategy also after admittedly good brands you've acquired. Some of the step up in expense, it just seems the technology of Evinrude relative to other major multiple competitors and with four-stroke, six-cylinder, eight-cylinders types of things also being introduced. Should we anticipate a quantum leap at some point here? Is that part of the broad strategy?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

I would say that first, like I said this morning to another question, a lot of customers shop the boat first and second the engine. Not all of them, but most of them. Many customers don't even understand the difference between two-stroke and four-stroke. It's the dealer who most of the time influence them. We believe that with two-stroke, we have an incredible technology that is cleaner in many aspects than the four-stroke. We believe, and that's part of the transforming the fleet , we believe that we can do a better integration of the engine and the boat if we design and engineer them together. That will be a long-term fleet, but we have some idea to really make a good integration of the package that we believe will make a difference for the consumer.

Tim Conder
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. Then just maybe one other clarification, Sébastien. Did you say for fiscal 2019, the marine contribution would be about CAD 0.10 in EPS?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

No, for next year, 2020.

Tim Conder
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

For next, okay, neutral in fiscal 2019.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

That's correct.

Tim Conder
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay, great. Thank you, gentlemen.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Derek Dley with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Derek Dley
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Yeah. Hey, guys. Just quickly wanted to follow up on your commentary around potential M&A and acquisitions. Where would you be comfortable taking your leverage level to complete a larger scale acquisition?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Pro forma, after the Manitou acquisition, which will be recorded in Q3, our leverage will be about two times net debt. When we IPO'd, we were at three times leverage, and that's someplace where we were very comfortable operating at. We have that flexibility. For me, what I've always said is, making sure you have, one, a credit facility that is covenant light, and that's what we have today. Making sure you have a facility as well that it matures with a long-term horizon, and that's what we have today. Could we go higher than three if the acquisition was super attractive? That's a discussion we'd have with the board, but I wouldn't exclude it from the possibility.

Derek Dley
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. That's helpful. On your inventory position heading into the back half of the year, you mentioned it's up 7%, it looks like it's very clean. In terms of the combination of your inventory and then lower promotional activity within at least the year-round product space, how comfortable are you and what's sort of the visibility that you have on the promotional environment going forward outside of year round? Are you seeing a more promotional environment on snowmobiles at all, or is everything looking pretty manageable at this point?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Yeah. Snowmobile, it's always a bit tougher to call. We know that some OEMs have a bit of non-current inventory out there, so we expect non-current inventory to be promoted quite heavily. The current models is very dependent on snow. We always plan for a normal snow season. If the snow is there, then good, probably less promotional. If it's a bit tougher and it takes a bit of time before the white stuff gets on the ground, then we might have to put a bit of more programs to work to get the retail moving. In terms of overall inventory position, as we said, Q2, we're comfortable. My outlook for the end of the year is probably inventory up year-over-year, probably in the high single digits, with SSV continuing to grow.

Personal watercraft as well is going to continue to grow and we might have a bit more snowmobile inventory as well.

Derek Dley
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. That's very helpful. Thank you very much.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Once again, please press star one at this time if you have a question. The next question is from Seth Woolf with Northcoast Research. Please go ahead.

Seth Woolf
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Good morning, guys. Great quarter. Thanks for sneaking me on here at the end.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Thank you.

Seth Woolf
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Just wanted to touch on two topics. The year-round products and then, the new, what you guys are doing in the boat space. first

When we look at the Side-by-Side business, you had a peer in the powersports business last month. Your quarters don't overlap exactly, they said that the market was flat. Now, if we look at what you guys are seeing, that would imply that the market is up much more than that, probably mid-single digits. I was just wondering if, gating in those numbers, is it just the function of the different layout of your quarters, or is there something else going on? Just trying to understand how that could be so different.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

Yes. There is one element that may be influencing this. All the OEM announced their new lineup June, July. At that time, a non-current program for the model year 2018. Everyone have announced their 2019 models. There is program right now going on on 2018, then you always have a blip of retail in the back end of our Q2 and the beginning of their Q3. That could influence. Also, don't forget they had April in their quarter, which was a bad month because of the weather. I would say that's the two things that I believe could influence the data.

Seth Woolf
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Okay. Just piggybacking off of that, I noticed when you guys make your estimates, you continued to significantly outperform the industry, but that outperformance, that spread contracted quite a bit from 1Q to 2Q. Do you think that's largely a reflection of the programs that other OEMs are running in July? Is there something else going on there?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP

Well, obviously, we've had good retail as well in Q2. The industry grew, that's another good thing. Our retail quarter-over-quarter was still very strong. Obviously, are we expecting that retail growth to continue on Side-by-Side? We'd like for it, we're realistic in the fact that, yes, we've entered into a lot of dealerships, we've launched a lot of new products, our expectation is that there is going to be a slowdown in the retail growth as we take our place in the industry, and as we take our place in the dealerships as well.

Seth Woolf
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Okay. Got it. José, I know you talked about it at the beginning of the call with there's a lot of boat builders out there that are potentially for sale, and one of the strategies shorter term is to continue to buy, and I think you talked about attaining critical mass. Can you just maybe talk about what that looks like? How big do you think that that segment needs to get before you feel comfortable saying that you've reached the critical mass to be a global power in this space?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP

First, there is a lot of company for sales out there, we are very selective in what we are acquiring. As you can notice, Manitou and Alumacraft are both aluminum product where we have expertise. Their Evinrude content, 10% for Alumacraft, Manitou 40%, we have opportunity there. The dealer network, we see optimization that we could do midterm. We continue to look. We are looking at opportunities, we will be very selective to acquire the right brand, and also that offer the synergies that we're looking for. Today, we are right now continuing looking at what is available out there. Very happy with those two brand, strong brand, a lot of the knowhow, good product, and if we find the same type of company, we'll definitely look at it.

Just to give you a timeline, you can expect that we could continue in the next 12 months to look at the opportunities.

Seth Woolf
Analyst, Northcoast Research

Okay, excellent. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions registered at this time. I would like to turn the meeting back over to Mr. Deschênes.

Philippe Deschênes
Investor Relations, BRP

Great. Thank you, and thanks, everyone, for joining us this morning and for your interest in BRP. We look forward to speaking with you again on November 30th for our third quarter conference call. Thanks again, everyone, and have a good day.

Operator

Thank you. The conference has now ended. Please disconnect your lines at this time, and we thank you for your participation.