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Earnings Call: Q3 2017

Dec 9, 2016

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to BRP Inc.'s fiscal year 2017 third quarter results conference call. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Mr. Philippe Deschênes. Please go ahead, Mr. Deschênes.

Philippe Deschênes
Director of Investor Relations, BRP Inc

Thank you. Good morning, welcome to BRP's third quarter conference call for fiscal 2017. Joining me on the call this morning are José Boisjoli, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Sébastien Martel, Chief Financial Officer. Before we move to the prepared remarks, I would like to remind everyone that certain forward-looking statements will be made during the call that are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. I invite you to read BRP's MD&A for a listing of these. Also during the call, reference will be made to supporting slides, and you can find the presentation on our website at brp.com under the investor relation section. With that, I'll turn the call over to José.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Thank you, Philippe. Good morning, everyone, thank you for joining us. Once again this year, we had set high objectives for the back half of the year, the third quarter was an important first step to get us there. We deliver in a big way. We managed to deliver financial results above our plan. We've launched the production and quickly delivered to our dealers two new product platforms, the Can-Am Maverick X3 and the new fourth generation of Ski-Doo snowmobile. We made good progress in our dealer network optimization effort, we gained market share in a competitive and difficult environment. All of this while we continued to work relentlessly on projects that will allow us to deliver our long-term objective.

We also continued managing our CapEx carefully, reducing our expected depreciation expense for the year, we have completed our NCIB program, which lowered our share count. Both of these elements allow us to increase our normalized EPS guidance by CAD 0.04. All in all, the third quarter was key in the achievement of our plan for the year. With our strong results, we feel we are in a good position heading into the fourth quarter. Now let's look at the financial highlights on the fourth quarter on slide four. Our revenue grew 7% to reach CAD 1 billion and CAD 80 million. The increase was primarily driven by our growing side-by-side business, notably the contribution of our new product, the Can-Am Defender and Maverick X3. The quarterly normalized EBITDA came in above expectation at CAD 197 million as the timing of a few elements were favorable into the quarter.

Sébastien will come back on this in a few minute. Our normalized diluted earnings per share is up 50% over last year, third quarter, reaching CAD 0.93 per share. At the retail level, we had another solid quarter as our powersport lineup, excluding snowmobile, was up 10% compared to an industry that we estimate was down low single digits. This strong performance was driven by a solid end of season for personal watercraft, continued market share gain for ATV, and very good momentum for our side-by-side business. For snowmobile, as we mentioned before, this year's shipment were delayed compared to last year due to a later start of production, which resulted in a lower retail into the quarter. I will give you more detail on this in a few minute.

A key highlight of the quarter was our ability to quickly start the production of our newly introduced platform, the Can-Am Maverick X3 and the new fourth generation of Ski-Doos. Remember that we launched the Maverick X3 at our Can-Am and Sea-Doo club in August. We started the production a few weeks later, and the first unit reach our customers in the second half of September. As for Ski-Doo production for the new platform, started at the end of September without any issue, and people are already riding on them up north and into the mountains. Both of these product receive exceptional reviews from the media and the customers. The future look promising, and we are really excited to see the coming seasons unfold. Now going into the review by product category with the year-round product highlight on slide six.

Revenues were up 48% for the quarter, mainly driven by higher volume and favorable product mix of side-by-side due to the introduction of the Can-Am Defender and Maverick X3. Growing our off-road business is at the forefront of our strategy, and we are seeing our effort paying off. For ATV, the industry remained difficult, and for the first four months of the season, the North American industry retail was down high single digits. Despite that difficult industry trend, Can-Am ATV continued to perform well with retail up low single digits. We have a very good momentum with our ATV business as we have now been outpacing the industry for the last five quarters, and we currently hold the third market share position in the industry season to date. Can-Am ATV is seeing the same solid trend in international markets.

Turning to side-by-side, the North American industry retail is up low single digits season to date. Driven by the continued solid momentum of the Can-Am Defender and the very good reception of the Can-Am Maverick X3, our side-by-side retail was up over 20% for the first four months of the season. We are pleased with our progress with the Defender as retail continued to grow every month, demonstrating that the Can-Am brand is gaining traction within the utility side-by-side market. On the Maverick X3 front, while it had only been on the market for the second half of the quarter, the sell-through has been excellent. We also introduced a new key side-by-side model in the quarter, the Can-Am Defender HD5. The HD5 offer the same tough, capable, and clever feature of the Defender platform with a mid-size engine.

This package offer exceptional value and improve our offering at the low end of the price spectrum in the utility side-by-side segment. The Defender HD5 will start shipping in January. Now looking at Spyder. The North American motorcycle 2016 season just closed at the end of October, down low single digits. For the season, retailer motorcycle with a price higher than CAD 18,000 declined high single digits. As we mentioned previously, it was a difficult season for Spyder. The industry trends were not favorable. We also decided to hold back on sales program to better maintain long-term the value of the units, and last year, introduction of the Spyder F3-T did not generate the expected result. With all of this, Spyder closed the season with retail down high teens percentage. We are disappointed with the season, and we are taking steps to turn the situation around.

For the Spyder business to reach its full potential, we'll need to increase our focus on the business and use a different approach with our dealer and our customers. This is why we have hired Josée Perreault, who will fill our newly created position of Senior Vice President, Spyder Business. Josée, with her strong experience into the international wholesale and retail business within the consumer goods industry, is a great addition to our management team. To conclude, on our year-round product, I want to say that overall, I'm very pleased with our result. With that, let's turn to seasonal product on slide seven. Seasonal product revenue were down 12% for the quarter ending at CAD 417 million, primarily due to lower volume of snowmobile, partially offset by higher volume and favorable product mix of personal watercraft.

Looking at retail, the North American personal watercraft ended the season on September 30th, with retail up high single digits. Sea-Doo had another strong season, with retail also up high single digit, growing its market share for the sixth consecutive season and achieving a record market share position. The growth was driven by both the Sea-Doo Spark and the traditional personal watercraft. The worldwide demand also continued to be strong, with double-digit retail growth for Western Europe and Asia Pacific into the quarter. Now turning to snowmobile. Here's some explanation on retail. At the end of October, the North American industry retail was down over 30% season to date. Ski-Doo retail was down about 50% over the same period. The decline is driven by the limited availability of our new Ski-Doo REV Gen4 due to later start of production this year compared to last year.

As you may know, every year we pre-sell to customers snowmobile during the spring season, and those pre-sold sled are usually the first to be shipped to the dealer and then the first to be retailed to the customer in October and November. This year, a good portion of those pre-sold snowmobile were the newly introduced snowmobile platform, for which mass production only started in October. As we continued shipping those units through November, our retail has improved and is now down in the mid 30s% season to date, right in line with our internal forecast. Therefore, it is just a question of shipment timing. Everything is going according to plan as we expect to have everything shipped and at the dealer before Christmas. All in all, our seasonal product business continued to perform very well. Now looking at propulsion system on slide eight.

Revenues for our propulsion system were down 4%, primarily driven by lower volume of aircraft engine sold to OEM. Four months into the new season, the North American outboard engine industry is up mid-single digit. For the same period, Evinrude retail was up low single digit. The E-TEC G2 lineup continued to perform well, and we started deliveries of the new 150-200 horsepower range E-TEC G2 engine during the quarter. Turning to Parts, Accessories & Clothing. Our revenue were up 5% into the quarter, driven by higher volume of side-by-side accessories sold following the introduction of the Defender and the Maverick X3.

Despite a 5% increase over last year, our PAC sales were lower than planned, mainly due to the fact that dealers still have stock of maintenance item in inventory like oil, belt, and ski runners due to a shorter riding season for snowmobile last year. With that, I will turn the call over to Sébastien and will return for closing remark.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Thank you, José, good morning, everyone. This morning, we reported revenues of CAD 1.08 billion for the third quarter of fiscal year 2017, an increase of 7% from last year's third quarter. The growth was primarily driven by higher wholesales of year-round products, partly offset by lower wholesale in seasonal products. We generated CAD 307 million of gross profit, resulting in a gross profit margin of 28.4%, a 400 basis point increase from last year due to favorable product mix for both SSV and PWC, general price increases, and favorable foreign exchange rate variation. Operating income came in at CAD 163 million or 15.1% of revenues, primarily driven by higher gross profit. As José mentioned, normalized EBITDA came in above our expectations at CAD 197 million or 18.2% of revenues. The higher than anticipated results were driven by a few elements that were favorable in the quarter.

Expenses came in lower than planned as we continued to exercise tight management of costs and were able to defer some expenses into the fourth quarter. With the good retail experience in the last few quarters, we replenished some dealer inventory, mostly for ATV and PWC in Q3, with units that were initially planned for early Q4. As you see, most of the incremental lift we realized this quarter versus our plan is a question of timing between the last two quarters of the year. This resulted in normalized diluted earnings per share of CAD 0.93, a 50% increase over last year. We generated CAD 129 million of free cash flow in the quarter and completed our NCIB program by repurchasing 900,000 shares in the quarter for a total of 3.4 million shares repurchased for the year. Now, slide 11 for revenues by product categories and geographies.

35% of our sales came from year-round products with a year-over-year growth of 48% driven by side-by-side business. 39% of our sales came from seasonal products, 9% from propulsion systems, 17% from Parts, Accessories & Clothing. International revenues were about flat compared to last year, as higher wholesale of off-road vehicles was offset by lower deliveries of snowmobiles. For Canada, revenues were down 10%, as higher wholesale of SSVs and Spyders was more than offset by lower volume of snowmobiles sold and lower wholesale of ATV. Finally, revenues from the U.S. were up 21%, driven by higher year-round product shipments and higher volume and favorable mix of PWC, which were partly offset by lower shipments of snowmobile.

As a reminder, remember that due to the introduction of the new snowmobile platform, snowmobile shipments are expected to be heavier in the fourth quarter, and this drove a decline in snowmobile volume in the third quarter for all regions. Turning to slide 12 for a look at the normalized net income bridge. Our normalized net income increased by CAD 31 million compared to last year's third quarter. Benefiting the normalized net income were volume and mix for CAD 28 million, pricing and sales program for CAD 12 million, production costs for CAD 4 million, and foreign exchange variation for CAD 19 million. These elements were partly offset by higher operating expenses for CAD 12 million, driven by higher investments in R&D and admin, and higher income tax expense and financing costs for a net negative impact of CAD 21 million. On to slide 13 for the North America powersports dealer inventory.

Our network inventory level was up 7% from last year's third quarter. The increase was primarily driven by the introduction of the Can-Am Defender and Maverick X3 with strong demand from dealers, and the continuing ramp-up of shipments to new dealers we added over the last few years. The increase was partly offset by lower inventory for Can-Am Commander and Can-Am Maverick side-by-side. Given the new product introductions and our expanding dealer network, we are very comfortable with our network inventory level. Finally, slide 14 for an update on the guidance for fiscal 2017. As José mentioned earlier, now with three quarters behind us and after achieving a solid third quarter results, we are in a good position heading into the fourth quarter. With only a few weeks to go until year-end, we are making a few changes to the guidance.

The excellent reception of our new side-by-side models and the strong end of season for PWC are allowing us to review upward our revenue guidance for year-round and seasonal products. Our PA&C is still suffering from the short snowmobile riding season last winter. Dealer replenishment orders continue to come in lower than expected, and coupled with the impact of the disappointing Spyder season, we are adjusting our revenue guidance downward for that product category. Accounting for these changes, total revenues are now expected to be up 5%-9%. On the profitability side, while we are increasing our total revenue guidance, we are also reducing our forecast for the PA&C business, which is our most profitable product category. The net impact on normalized EBITDA is neutral and our guidance remains up 7%-10%.

As we are approaching year-end, we have better visibility on different elements of the business, allowing you to adjust our tax rate and depreciation expense guidance. As a result, normalized net income is now expected to grow between 5% and 11%, and normalized EPS guidance has been increased by CAD 0.04 and is now CAD 1.86 to CAD 1.96. With this, I'll turn the call back to José.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Thank you, Sébastien. The third quarter was a very successful one. Our sales in the U.S. grew by 20% over the same quarter last year. Our margin grew by a strong 400 basis point. We continued expanding our distribution network worldwide as planned. We've launched several new product for which the market reacted very positively and helped us gaining market share. We brought two new senior executives to our management team, whom I'm sure will contribute to make BRP even more successful. In closing, as the U.S. new administration is put in place, we are following closely the business-related orientation that the new government will take come January 20th. We are confident that our diversification strategy on product, manufacturing sites, and global markets will allow us to maintain our industry leadership position and our profitable growth in the U.S., as well as in the rest of the world.

I'm very proud that we were able to continue to grow despite operating in an aggressive industry and an overall difficult environment. This would not be possible without our employees, and I want to thank all of them for their commitment and loyalty. On that, I will turn the call over to the operator for question.

Operator

Thank you. Please press star one at this time if you have a question. There will be a brief pause while the participants register for questions. Thank you for your patience. The first question is from Steve Arthur with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Steve Arthur
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Yes, thank you. Just a couple of quick follow-up questions. First, on the lower PAC sales. I do hear you on the snowmobile and Spyder implications, has that been enough to offset the new products that have been launched, which seem to have a full complement of accessories? More broadly, maybe if you can comment on the uptake of accessories with the new products, the X3, the Defender, the new snowmobile platforms.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Good morning, Steve. I would say that the addition of X3 is compensated by some reduction on the Spyder. The difficulty on PAC is we don't have much visibility on the stock that the dealer have. It's very difficult to predict, the reorder of maintenance item, like I said, oil, belt, runners, were lower than planned in August, September. Those item, typically, the dealer replenish early in the fall. The reorder were quite low compared to our planning. Because of that situation and that difficult visibility, that's why we decided to reduce our guidance for year-end.

Steve Arthur
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, I understand. Secondly, just on the Spyder business, it looks like renewed focus in a specific business unit. Is it too early, or are you able to comment yet on any changes in the go-to-market strategy there that you might be looking at?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

It's too early. Josée Perreault took over about six weeks ago. She's been on the job. She's been touring dealers and making a better assessment of the situation, we should come out with a plan early in 2017.

Steve Arthur
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, that's fair. Final point, just you mentioned, Josée, earlier, making good progress on dealer optimization. Just wondering if you can elaborate on that a little bit more. Is that a new way of looking at new dealers or more efficiency from the existing dealer base?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

As you know, we have a target this year to add 45-55 new dealer. We are on track on this plan. Obviously, like we said, I think 18 months ago, the focus is a lot on making the existing dealer more performant. To be honest, it's going quite well. Obviously, the retail momentum that we have, the profitability that our dealer do with our product is helping the situation, but we're trying to get traction and get more space in each of our multi-line dealers, and the plan is going quite well.

Steve Arthur
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, thank you for the color.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Derek Dley with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Derek Dley
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Yeah. Can you guys just give us a bit of an update on how the Performax dealer program is going? It sounds like there's some good momentum there. Any additional color would be great.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Well, as you know, Derek, we shared the overall dealer network plan with investors in September. Bernard presented the strategy and how we are addressing, especially the multi-brand dealers in the U.S. Performax was a big part of that equation with the back end incentives that dealers can earn. Obviously, if you look at the retail performance this quarter, excluding snowmobile, up 10%, Performax played a big factor in making sure that the dealers are focusing more and more on the BRP business.

Derek Dley
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay, great. On your international sales, which were flat during the quarter, can you just give us a breakdown of regionally where you saw some strength and weakness?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Yeah. The Asia Pacific is strong. You're in a counter-season market there, and the watercraft business is doing very good there. The side-by-side business as well is doing excellent there. We saw good momentum there. Where revenues were down versus a year ago is more Scandinavia, Russia, and part of it is because of the production of snowmobile timing versus a year ago. Less units of snowmobile were shipped to those markets.

Derek Dley
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. In Canada, are you still seeing some weakness in Alberta, or is that starting to come back?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

We see last year the West was down by about 30%. Now it's improving. I would say it's probably around 15%, then it's getting better. The West is still weaker than the East. Improving.

Derek Dley
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. Thank you very much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Jaime Katz with Morningstar. Please go ahead.

Jaime Katz
Analyst, Morningstar

Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. My first question is on year- round, which the shipments were pretty strong this quarter. I'm curious how some of the demand for the legacy products were as well in the quarter. It would appear that you guys are taking share. Do you think that's from other North American competitors or from international competitors?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Yeah. Good morning. As you know, the Maverick X3, the reception is very good. It's clear that the Maverick X3 will obsolete the older platform, Maverick Turbo. This was planned. The Defender, as we said before, is cannibalizing the Commander. We see a customer who used to buy Rec-Ute that now are buying the utility side by side. At the end of the day, all that was planned. We are basically on the cannibalization estimation we had done. The net of all of this is very positive overall.

Jaime Katz
Analyst, Morningstar

Okay. I think you had mentioned some expenses being deferred from the third quarter to the fourth quarter. Can you elaborate on that?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

We had planned some marketing expenses in the quarter for the ramp-up of side-by-side. It's a big season in the fall. Some of the expenses were transferred to being invested more in November, December. That's basically a question of timing.

Jaime Katz
Analyst, Morningstar

Okay. Lastly, I'm curious what you guys are sort of thinking for just the general economic outlook for both North America and Canada together and separate, if you have any economic thoughts on what you're expecting in the year ahead. Yeah. Well, obviously, I think the big dark cloud above our heads is everything related to NAFTA and the new president-elect in the United States has made several comments. We've received a lot of questions from investors on that topic. It is today, we not necessarily want to speculate what the outcome of future NAFTA agreements will be, because one, I don't know, and I don't think anyone knows what the outcome will be. However, one thing's for sure is when we look at the whole campaign, while president or president-elect Trump's message was while focusing on growth, focusing on infrastructure, and also focusing on keeping jobs in the U.S. The way we look at that is that is very, very positive for the power sport industry.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Obviously, like all OEMs, especially the automotive ones with global operations, we're monitoring the situation closely, and we'll learn more as times evolve. For us today, we see it as business as usual until there's more clarity as to what if any changes will be happening to the NAFTA agreement. In terms of overall economic outlook for Canada, positive. I think we've lapsed some of the issues that we've had out west. In Eastern Canada, the outlook as well is good. We're optimistic for next year.

Jaime Katz
Analyst, Morningstar

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Tim Conder with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.

Tim Conder
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Thank you. Just a couple here. Wanted to follow up on the first question that was asked regarding Spyder, and looking at any potential changes to that business. Wanted to ask it related to Evinrude. Any color there? On your dealer ads, you're seeing that that's progressing, you're very pleased with that. If you get any additional color that you would have given competitors' challenges in ORV, if that has made it easier or if you're getting into dealerships that you thought you might not, being added to multi-line dealers.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Good morning. First for sure, the momentum that we have right now, particularly with the mid-cc ATV and with the Defender, and now the Maverick X3 dealer are quite optimistic about BRP and we gaining share in the dealership. You know that one of our objective was to gain more space in the south, southwest, and so far the strategy is working quite well. I would say the Maverick X3 have accelerated the pace in certain area. Overall, we're quite happy with that. On the Johnson Evinrude, the Evinrude situation, since the introduction of the G2, we've been able to sign about 160 dealers, more than 40 new boat builder. The G2 is getting traction. I would like to remind to you that the new G2 horsepower range from 150 to 200, started deliveries in Q3, then it's just starting to ramp up.

Overall, we're quite optimistic about the G2 momentum into the industry. This industry is going well, then things are going according to plan, I would say, for the Evinrude business.

Tim Conder
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. Just to clarify on the dealer adds, you're very pleased getting it in the core areas. Has it been easier given some of the challenges that have been faced by some competitors in the industry?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

I would say, for sure, what happened with one of our competitor in the sport side-by-side category is giving us opportunities. Our booking for the Maverick X3 was very good. We try to take advantage of this. For me, this is short-term things. What is more important is we have an opportunity to get faster into dealers that are multi-line. If they are successful retailing our product, I think we will be there for the long term. For us, we're trying to benefit of the situation as much as we can, overall it's very positive.

Tim Conder
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay. Lastly, gentlemen, just maybe a little more color related to the U.S. election and everything. A little color on the commentary, I guess, on retail trends that you saw right before, say, the month before, since the election in the U.S.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Tim, I can't say that we saw a difference in terms of retail trend. Don't forget that we were bringing a lot of new products to the market, so I think that is what influenced more the retail than the outcome of the election. The Maverick X3 last year, we didn't have the Defender for Q3, which we had, and in November as well. All of that great products that we've been introducing in the last few years, I think is the main catalyst for driving retail. As well, as we've talked when we met in September in Mexico, all the efforts that we've put over the last few years on focusing on the dealers. We've opened up a lot of new dealers. We've also presented the model where the dealers have the primary market areas, and we're focused on making sure that the dealers are profitable.

All of that is paying off and is what's driving the retail success that we've seen.

Tim Conder
Analyst, Wells Fargo Securities

Okay, great. Thank you, gentlemen.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Martin Landry with GMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Martin Landry
Analyst, GMP Securities

Good morning. The first question is with regards to the acceleration of shipments into the quarter versus Q4. Can you talk about what product lines and what products were shipped a little earlier, and what was the reason behind that?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Yeah. If I look at the impact versus what we have today, the two main items are the lower expenses. That probably comes in the range of about CAD 20 million. In terms of early shipments, the two product lines that we shipped a bit earlier were ATV and PWC. It has an impact of about CAD 5 million for the quarter. What drove that is, as you've seen in our numbers, we have good retail in ATV, and we've also had a great season in PWC. The industry was up and we were up 10%. Obviously, dealers' inventory levels are low and therefore they've asked for a bit more inventory earlier. That's what we've done.

Martin Landry
Analyst, GMP Securities

Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. Just on the Maverick X3, you're obviously seeing some very good sell through. Just wondering, are you able to satisfy the demand currently? Do you have any capacity constraint issues on the X3?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Good morning, Martin. Let's say that the ramp up, we're trying to accelerate the ramp up as much as we can. Right now we're not able to meet 100% the demand, but we're ramping up as fast as we can. The peak of the season is ending in a few weeks. We're doing our best, but we were a bit behind the demand in October, November. We will catch up December, January.

Martin Landry
Analyst, GMP Securities

How long is the backlog right now for customers to get an X3?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

I spoke to many dealers. We're delivering, obviously, everything we can every day. If you talk to a few dealers, and again, that my information date of November, every dealer in the South, Southwest had typically a few units sold. When the unit arrive, deliver to the customer right away. We try to ask the dealer to hold one unit on the floor, but you don't have much inventory out there.

Martin Landry
Analyst, GMP Securities

That's helpful. Just lastly, we're just about to start the snowmobile season. What do you see in terms of snow coverage and what do you see in terms of traffic at dealers and momentum at dealers for the upcoming snowmobile season?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Snow coverage is definitely better than last year, no doubt about that. I'm sitting here in Valcourt and it's white outside, and it's better than last year. Overall, customers up north in North America and in the mountains are already riding. It's not great condition yet, but at least they can try their machine. Traffic is good at the minute. That snow hit the ground at this time of the year in December, you always have good traffic in the store. We believe that North America is positioned for a good season. Normal season, I would say. In Scandinavia and Russia, same thing. The snow started normal, I would say, compared to the previous year. Better than last year, obviously, and normal then. Everything is positioned to be a good season, but we're too early to conclude on this.

Martin Landry
Analyst, GMP Securities

Okay. Thank you very much.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Craig Kennison with Baird. Please go ahead.

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Baird

Good morning. Thank you for taking my questions. I'm curious about the agricultural market. I think BRP generally has been under index there because you didn't have quite the product they needed. With Defender, clearly you do. How are dealers reacting to that, and what are your overall comments on the ag market?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

If I give you some color on the ag market for the ORV business. If I give you the ATV statistic right now in the Q3, ATV in the U.S. was down high single-digit and into the ag state, the sixth state that we consider ag, it was something like 15% down. There is definitely some lag. That being said, for us, it's a wide space for us. The Defender is gaining traction every month, and I think the farmer is a new customer for us, but our dealers are getting better to talk to them. The product has a good momentum right now, good reputation, in terms of performance, and overall it feels good. There is definitely some still decline in those states versus the non-ag or oil patch state.

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Baird

Thank you. With respect to NAFTA, I appreciate your comments that you've got a highly diversified manufacturing footprint. Could you talk about the NAFTA trade agreement elements that you benefit from today to the extent that were to change, what would you be most concerned about losing?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Obviously, there was a lot of talk between trade between the U.S. and Mexico. As you know, we have three plants in Mexico. We've been in Mexico since early 2001. We were extremely successful with our operations there. We've got a solid workforce as well. However, I can appreciate that you guys probably want a bit of color as to the level of trade that we're doing between Mexico and the U.S., so let me try to help you out a bit and give you a few numbers. When we look at BRP's trading volume between Mexico and the U.S., there's about a little over CAD 1 billion of goods transacting between the two countries. From Mexico to the U.S., and that's in the form of personal watercrafts, ATVs, and side-by-sides.

Obviously, there could be many scenarios with many variables and a lot of moving parts. Some trade experts have discussed about the U.S. pulling out of NAFTA. What would that mean for us in terms of Mexico, U.S.? The first thing is a 6-month notice that would have to be given. We'd have 6 months to look at various scenarios. After 6 months, what would happen is Mexico would fall under what we refer to as a most favored nation tariffication status. The tariffs that would be charged between the two countries would be, depending on the product line, between 1.4% and 2.9% per transaction. Overall, when you look at an annual impact on CAD 1 billion of transaction, it would be in the range of, let's say, CAD 20 million-CAD 25 million a year in terms of impact.

Obviously, if that were happen, the whole value chain would have to be addressed, and the increased cost could either be Some of it could be passed down to the suppliers, some of it passed through pricing increase and also doing what we do when we have inflation is addressing it through cost structure improvements and improving operations. That's the scenarios that we're looking at. Should we expect changes to NAFTA? The Canadian government and Mexican governments have also indicated that they were willing to sit down with the U.S. government and renegotiate the agreement. After 25 years, they feel it was normal. For us, until there's more clarity, it's business as usual. Obviously, CAD 20 million-CAD 25 million is something which is important but not too material for us, something we could manage.

We prefer not spending that money, obviously, on tariffs. We do not feel, and I don't feel that the objective of the U.S. government is to hurt the industry. As I said, they want to create growth in the U.S., maintain jobs in the U.S., invest in infrastructure, and for me, all of that is positive for the powersports industry.

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Baird

Just a final point of clarification. Is that CAD 1 billion figure a retail or wholesale metric?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

It's a wholesale metric.

Craig Kennison
Analyst, Baird

Great. Thanks for that explanation.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Okay.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Benoit Poirier with Desjardins Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Benoit Poirier
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Hey, good morning, gentlemen. Just to come back on the previous question, Sébastien, looking at the potential impact of CAD 20 million-CAD 25 million, would it be a fair statement to say that probably you would consider keeping your operation in Mexico rather than moving those location elsewhere?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Obviously, at that level, yes, Benoit , the benefits of being in Mexico with access to skilled labor force, obviously there's a cost advantage there, but also having access to the supply base in Mexico is very beneficial to us. When I look at this, it's almost a cost of inflation, that CAD 20 million-CAD 25 million a year. Again, it's something that we address regularly, and it's part of managing our business. Yes, on that scenario, we'd obviously remain in Mexico.

Benoit Poirier
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Okay, perfect. Now when we look at your dealer inventory level, was up 7% versus last year, so good color there. Just wondering what we should potentially expect in Q4, in comparison to a year ago and on a sequential basis, given the impact with the Maverick X3 and also the Defender.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Yeah. When I look at a few weeks down the road, obviously, snow season is a big factor in where we're going to end in inventory. Assuming a normal snow season and achieving the retail objectives that we have, I would expect the network inventory to be up high single digits, mostly coming from the ramp-up of the Maverick X3 and also the Defender. Last year, we had started shipments of Defender, but we were in just the pre-production ramp-up. We've just launched the new Defender HD5, we'll be shipping those units to dealers, December, January. These are the two factors that are going to be driving increased inventory. Also probably a bit more of ATVs ahead of the spring season retail that is going to be starting.

Benoit Poirier
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Okay, perfect. Just on the snowmobile front, why did it take so long to ramp up? Was there any delay in terms of production schedule on the new platform?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

No. Production schedule was right in line with what we had planned, but I would like to remind you that the Ski-Doo REV Gen4 was a brand-new snowmobile with a brand-new engine. We had a small production batch in September, but the mass production started in October. That was planned. What happened, Benoit, is last year with the bad snow, the order came out a bit different than what we had planned. We had a lot more order for the new snowmobile, the REV Gen4, novelty into the industry, less on the current product line. Because we were stuck with production date that we could not advance, we delivering later. We communicate all of this to the consumer and the dealers that we are on plan, but it's a question of timing.

those situation happen from time to time when you introduce a brand-new platform and you don't want to risk on the production quality and the warranty and all this.

Benoit Poirier
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Okay, perfect. When we look at your free cash flow, obviously pretty strong in the quarter, you've been able to delever the balance sheet. Your share buyback now is done for the year. I'm just wondering if you could provide more color about the cash deployment opportunities, because on the debt side, you got some pretty attractive interest rates. I'm just wondering, what's your thinking right now in terms of deployment opportunities?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Yeah. Well, we've deployed about CAD 230 million of cash this year on, I'll call it, on cap structure. As you mentioned, the NCIB for about CAD 75 million, we also reimbursed about CAD 150 million or CAD 130 million of debt in Q2. Part of the cash gen that we will be generating this year is going towards that. Obviously, our objective is continue to focus on growth, the organic part of it. The products that you know, but as we've highlighted when we met in Mexico in September, we have a team in place looking at various alternatives to grow the business outside of what we traditionally do through M&A. Obviously keeping a bit of dry powder for that will be key.

Benoit Poirier
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Okay. Sébastien, any color on the timing when we could potentially see those alternatives?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

No. Obviously, we're not in a rush to do something. We'll do something if it's right. We're waiting for the right opportunity before making a move.

Benoit Poirier
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Okay, perfect. Last one for me. It's probably a little bit early, but looking at fiscal 2018, any things we should consider when assessing the outlook, either in terms of expense, in terms of industry growth rate? Any color for fiscal 2018?

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Well, obviously, as customary, we'll be providing full fiscal year 2018 guidance when we talk in March. Obviously, we're optimistic for next year with the strong retail momentum that we have, the good momentum with the dealers in all of the markets, the great products we have. We're optimistic for next year. That's as much color I can give you this morning, Benoit, unfortunately.

Benoit Poirier
Analyst, Desjardins Capital Markets

Okay, perfect. Thank you very much for the time.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Bye-bye.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Cameron Doerksen with National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Cameron Doerksen
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Yeah. Thanks. Good morning. Just a question on sales programs that was a tailwind for you in the third quarter. I'm just wondering if you can talk about what you're seeing so far in the fourth quarter on sales incentive programs. From what you're seeing out there in the industry generally, has anything kind of changed from what we've seen in the last couple of quarters?

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Good morning. Watercraft, we had less program over all the season. As you know, we are only two major OEM in that industry. It was a good season. It was less costly on watercraft overall. That was till the end of the season. Right now on ATV, promotion is higher in the mid-cc category, where we compete with the Outlander L family. It's driven by some of our competitor who has a lot of inventory. ATV, more competitive. In term of side-by-side, there is two element. There is a lot of new product hitting the market from all OEM. Some, not all, but some of our competition are very aggressive with program because they want to clear inventory. Snow, I would say too early to say.

It's a normal start of the year with some program, but I would consider it normal. Overall, good on watercraft and snowmobile, and off-road, more competitive than last year.

Cameron Doerksen
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. Just maybe a modeling question, just on the depreciation expense. You've taken down what your estimate for the full year is. I'm just wondering what's driving that and how the trend might continue into next fiscal year on depreciation.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Yeah. Two things, Cameron, driving that. First, the timing of the CapEx. We've pushed out a bit of the CapEx later in the year versus initially planned. The other one is the nature of the CapEx. Obviously, with the strong demand we've had for a few product lines, we've shifted CapEx priorities from, I'd say, shorter term CapEx to more longer term CapEx, which are depreciated over longer lives, and that impacts a bit the depreciation cost that we've hit this year. In terms of the trend, well, obviously you've seen our trend in terms of CapEx investments over the last two years in the range of CAD 200 million. Our depreciation expense is lower than that, so the depreciation expense will creep up next year, naturally.

Cameron Doerksen
Analyst, National Bank Financial

Okay. Very good. That's all I had. Thanks very much.

Sébastien Martel
CFO, BRP Inc

Thanks a lot.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions registered at this time, gentlemen.

José Boisjoli
President and CEO, BRP Inc

Great. Thank you. Thanks, everyone, for joining us this morning and for your interest in BRP. We look forward to speaking with you again in March for our year-end conference call. Thanks again, everyone, and have a good day.

Operator

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