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Earnings Call: Q1 2020

May 29, 2019

Operator

Welcome to the quarterly results call. My name is Adrienne, and I'll be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we'll conduct a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question during today's presentation, please press star then one on your touch-tone phone. Please note this conference is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to Scott Pagan, Chief Operating Officer. Mr. Pagan, you may begin.

Scott Pagan
COO, Descartes Systems Group

Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on the call today are Ed Ryan, CEO, and Allan Brett, CFO. I trust that everyone has received a copy of our financial results press release that was issued earlier today. Portions of today's call other than historical performance include statements of forward-looking information within the meaning of applicable securities laws. These statements are made under the safe harbor provisions of those laws. These forward-looking statements include statements related to Descartes' operating performance, financial results and conditions, Descartes' gross margins and any growth in those gross margins, cash flow and use of cash, business outlook, baseline revenues, baseline operating expenses and baseline calibration, anticipated and potential revenue losses and gains, anticipated recognition and expensing of specific revenues and expenses, potential acquisitions and acquisition strategy, cost reduction and integration initiatives and other matters that may constitute forward-looking statements.

These forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions and other factors that may cause the actual results, performance, or achievements of Descartes to differ materially from the anticipated results, performance, or achievements implied by such forward-looking statements. These factors are outlined in the press release and in a section entitled Certain Factors That May Affect Future Results in documents filed and furnished with the SEC, the OSC and other securities commissions across Canada, including our management's discussion and analysis filed today. We provide forward-looking statements solely for the purpose of providing information about management's current expectations and plans relating to the future. You're cautioned that such information may not be appropriate for other purposes.

We don't undertake or accept any obligation or undertaking to release publicly any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statements to reflect any change in our expectations or any change in events, conditions, assumptions, or circumstances on which any such statement is based, except as required by law. With that, let me turn the call over to Ed.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Great. Thanks, Scott. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the call. Thanks for joining us today. As you'll see from our results, we had a great Q1 to kick off our fiscal year. Our customers continue to benefit from our investments that have expanded the global logistics network with new technologies, content, and trading partners. Happy customers are more likely to buy more stuff, and we have lots of happy, engaged customers. For those of you that attended User Group, you would have had the chance to see that for yourself. Engaged customers are also more likely to share their ideas about how you can help them solve more problems, and we feel very fortunate to have customers that are passionate about sharing their ideas on acquisitions and enhanced solutions that can benefit the broader global logistics network community.

I mentioned the broader GLN community on purpose because remember, we're not just focused on one type of customer. We build solutions and tools for the entire community of participants in the supply chain, shippers, carriers, and logistics intermediaries, and we connect them to government agencies as well. Logistics is a multi-party, multi-process challenge. If you want all the participants in the supply chain to join your network, you're going to have to be more successful. You're going to be more successful if you can add value with specific tools for each participant. We've had this vision for a while, and we continue to execute against our plans. As things get more complicated in the global trade landscape, customers increasingly see the need to collaborate with their trading partners in real time with automated tools that leverage reliable data and content to help them make better decisions.

I'd like to start today's call by thanking our customers for doing more stuff with us and for continuing to share their great ideas about where to invest for the future. I'll speak to some of those investments on the call, including an update on Visual Compliance, and I'll provide some comments on our latest acquisition, CORE. Allan will then provide a detailed overview of our quarterly financial results, and I'll then finish up the call talking about our calibration for Q2 and our operating plans moving forward. First, let's start by going over some of the key financial highlights for the first quarter of fiscal 2020. We had another great quarter of operating results, and we're very happy with our key metrics, fueled by our continued organic growth and our ability to successfully integrate acquisitions. Our adjusted EBITDA continues to grow nicely.

For the quarter, we generated $28.7 million of adjusted EBITDA, an increase of 30% over Q1 of last year. A partial quarter of Visual Compliance was a contributor. As many of you will recall, we earlier said that for the fiscal year, we expect to grow more than our longer-term plan for 10%-15% growth in adjusted EBITDA. Revenue for the quarter was up 16% from Q1 of last year, coming in at $78 million. We continue to convert our EBITDA into cash, generating a record $23.4 million of cash in the quarter. Consistent with our long-term operating plans, we've been investing cash back into our business through focused R&D investments and by combining with complementary businesses. All in all, another great quarter here at Descartes to kick off the new fiscal year. We have a stable, cash-generating business, and we're well positioned to continue our growth.

With that, let's talk about some of the investments our customers continue to encourage us to make and how we believe these investments will help us build out our network for shippers, carriers, and logistics intermediaries to connect to and collaborate with each other so that they can move goods efficiently and securely. I'd like to start with some comments around our organic investments and the role that an engaged customer base can have to help set up your strategic direction. In late March, we held our annual user and partner conference in Florida, Descartes Evolution.

It's an opportunity for our customers and partners to come down and share their ideas with each other and while getting direct access to the team of domain experts from Descartes that build and support the products they use. Those of you that attended will have had a chance to see this in person, but for those that weren't there, maybe I can provide a bit of color as to what you would've seen. You would've seen leading carrier shippers and logistics intermediaries engaged with each other, sharing ideas about how they leveraged Descartes tools in their own business, but also sharing ideas more generally about the challenges and opportunities they face in their industries. We consistently hear from our customers that having a chance to meet with their peers and trading partners is extremely valuable.

You would've seen a number of sessions where we had a great attendance and some with standing room only, such as our MacroPoint visibility and capacity matching sessions, our trade data content sessions, including Visual Compliance, and our sessions focused on e-commerce and omni-channel retailing. You would've seen an engaged partner community as part of these discussions and sessions. Our partners remain an important part of our go-to-market strategy. You would've also seen these customers and partners not just listening to our ideas, but engaging in discussions with Descartes personnel, sharing their ideas about areas to improve existing products and investment in new products. This feedback is critical for our ongoing investment strategy, but it's also important to note that it doesn't start and stop at user group. We are continually engaging with customers about product development and areas to strengthen our global logistics network.

As I mentioned off the top, these investment areas aren't just for our product development strategy, but also for acquisition targets. Our customers are a great source of acquisition ideas, and sometimes even introductions. With their help, we've been able to build a robust pipeline of acquisition opportunities, and we're pretty excited about the landscape of opportunities in front of us today. With that, let's talk about our two most recent acquisitions. I'll start with Visual Compliance, as I'm sure everyone is keen to hear about how things are going there. Let's start with a reminder as to what Visual Compliance does and how they fit within our global logistics network. Visual Compliance provides software solutions, content, and services to automate customs, trade, and fiscal compliance processes with a focus on denied and restricted party screening processes and export licensing.

The acquisition followed other recent investments in trade content, including Datamyne, Customs Info, and MK Data, a business that was also focused on denied party screening. Adding Visual Compliance not only gave us more scale in the denied party screening space, it also complementary to our MK Data solution as it adds new functionality for us to bring to market. MK Data is very strong in supporting large batch screening, empowering SAP and Oracle global trade management platforms, whereas Visual Compliance offers a more robust transactional system, which can be helpful in markets such as e-commerce. Looking at market dynamics, denied party screening is an area where we're excited to invest further in. You don't need to look too hard to find news about the latest trade agreements and disagreements, with lists of sanctioned companies and products changing literally every day.

Denied and restricted party screening has become a critical must-have for companies for every business dealing that they have, whether it be for shipments of products abroad or relationships with new and existing customers, partners, suppliers, and employees. We anticipate that the future may include regulatory mandates on certain businesses to conduct these types of screening activities. In the meantime, those that don't have some sort of screening solution in place put themselves at risk. We're seeing demand for more screening services from our direct customer base, as well as from our partners, such as SAP and Oracle. That we're three months into the integration with Visual Compliance, we can provide a little color as to how things are going, and we're really pleased with where that business is at.

From a financial perspective, we're really pleased with the continued growth of the recurring revenues of the business, and the financial profile remains very healthy. We've come out of the gate strong, and the business is performing ahead of our plans. Perhaps more importantly, as we look ahead, we're really pleased with how the integration is going and how that will set us up for further success in the market. From a go-to-market perspective, we've been working quickly to cross-train the sales teams on either side, and we're seeing some early traction in a few areas, including solid demand for Visual Compliance in Europe. From an operations perspective, we've also made some good progress on our plans to bring the content teams together so we can align our processes and streamline content collection and normalization.

By doing so, we can become more efficient, and we can free up resources to create more content and product offerings to take to market. More generally, we're also really pleased with the attitude of the incoming team. They've been a pleasure to work with, and we're really happy to have them as part of Descartes. More recently, in early May, we announced the acquisition of CORE. What does CORE do, and how do they fit in? CORE's an electronic transportation network that provides global air carriers and ground handlers with shipment scanning and tracking solutions. Customers use CORE's network to accurately track international mail, parcel, and cargo shipments, as well as U.S. domestic mail and parcel shipments. As U.S. domestic and international e-commerce continues to grow, more demands are being placed on carriers and their partners to deliver efficiently and report events in real time.

The CORE acquisition complements our recent investment in VelocityMail, helping us to better serve the logistics service provider community working with postal authorities around the world. In fact, we learned about CORE as a result of the VelocityMail acquisition, and that's something we see quite often when we combine with someone, is that it presents new opportunities for additional expansion. For instance, following our acquisition of BearWare a few years back, we then acquired another leading pool distribution software provider, PCSTrac. We brought the two businesses together and combined the best of both worlds, and we've seen tremendous success in that space over the last couple of years as a result. Looking ahead to the combination with CORE, we're not only strengthening our position in the growing domestic and global e-commerce market by bringing two leaders together.

CORE solutions also extend beyond mail and parcel shipment tracking with air cargo tracking solutions. We will be adding these air cargo tracking capabilities to our global logistics network, which we believe will present a compelling opportunity for our global air cargo community to enhance real-time tracking and visibility of air shipments. It's still early days here with CORE, but we're excited about what they bring to the table, and I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome the CORE employees and customers to our global logistics network. Before handing the call over to Allan to talk a little bit more about the financials, I'd like to thank some people that continue to contribute to the strength of our business. Thank you to our employees for all the hard work they put in to make sure our customers get results.

Our customers continue to get results, and that's why we have a successful business. For the second time on this call, thank you again to our customers who continue to place confidence in Descartes as their network of choice. Whether you're a shipper, logistics intermediary, carrier, or even a government agency, thanks for connecting and helping our community grow, and thanks for your continued engagement. I'd like to thank our partners for helping us continue to expand our ecosystem. Finally, thank you to our shareholders for continuing to have confidence in Descartes. With that, I'll turn the call over to Allan.

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Okay. Thanks, Ed. As indicated, I'm going to walk you through our financial highlights for the first quarter of fiscal 2020. We are pleased to report record quarterly revenues of $78.0 million this quarter, up 16% from revenues of $67.0 million in the first quarter of last year. Due to the general strength in the U.S. dollar versus the euro, the pound, and Canadian dollar, there was a negative impact to revenue from foreign exchange of approximately $1.7 million when compared to the same quarter last year. Excluding this FX impact, revenue would've increased by approximately 19% year over year. Our revenue mix continues to be very strong, with services revenue representing 86% of total revenue, or $67.0 million in the first quarter, compared to $57.8 million in the same quarter last year, an increase of 16% and consistent at 86% of sales.

License revenues came in at $2.3 million or 3% of sales in the quarter, up slightly from license revenue of $1.9 million in Q1 last year and consistent at 3% of revenues. While professional service and other revenue came in at $8.7 million, up 19% from revenue in this category of $7.3 million in the first quarter last year, but again, consistent at 11% of revenue. Gross margin was solid at 74.5% of revenue for the quarter, which is an increase from gross margin of 72.3% of revenue in the first quarter of last year. This increase is mainly due to the addition of the Visual Compliance business acquired in mid-February, as well as the continued growth in revenue with existing customers.

Despite continued planned investments in product development this quarter, as well as additional sales and marketing activities, including hosting our annual user group during the quarter, with continued recurring revenue growth and leverage from the acquisition of Visual Compliance, we continue to see strong adjusted EBITDA growth of almost 30% to $28.7 million or 36.8% of revenue, compared to $22.1 million or 32.9% of revenue in the first quarter of last year. As a result of these solid operating results, cash flow generated from operations came in at $23.4 million or approximately 82% of adjusted EBITDA in the first quarter. This compares to operating cash flow of $18.9 million or 86% of adjusted EBITDA in Q1 of last year.

Going forward, subject to unusual events or in quarterly fluctuations, we expect to continue to see strong operating cash flow conversion of approximately 80%-90% of our adjusted EBITDA for the balance of fiscal 2020. From a GAAP earnings perspective, net income came in at $7.3 million or $0.09 per diluted common share in the first quarter, an increase from net income of $7.0 million or $0.09 per diluted common share in the same period last year. Net income in the first quarter was impacted by increased interest expense and amortization of intangible assets this quarter, both related to the Visual Compliance acquisition. Overall, we are very pleased with the solid operating results in the quarter, as strong revenue growth allowed us to continue to make increased investments in the business while achieving a 30% growth in adjusted EBITDA year-over-year and strong cash flow from operations.

If we now look at the balance sheet, our cash balances totaled $29.6 million at the end of the first quarter, while borrowings under our revolving credit facility were $242.7 million, for a net debt position of approximately $213 million at the end of Q1. Note that we used our cash flow from operations to repay approximately $20 million on the credit facility during the first quarter. While subsequent to the end of the first quarter, we borrowed approximately $22 million on the credit facility to complete the CORE acquisition, as Ed mentioned. As a result, we currently have approximately $265 million outstanding on our $350 million revolving credit facility. As always, our base shelf prospectus allows us to offer and issue up to $750 million in additional capital.

In short, we continue to be very well capitalized to allow us to consider all acquisition opportunities in our market consistent with our business plan. As we look to the second quarter of this year, we should note the following. After incurring approximately $1.4 million in capital additions in Q1, we expect to incur approximately $4.5 million-$6.5 million in additional capital expenditures for the balance of the year, with this balance expected to include further investments in our network security and infrastructure. We expect amortization expense will be approximately $52 million for the balance of FY 2020, with this figure being subject to adjustment for FX changes and future acquisitions.

Our income tax rate came in at approximately 26% of pre-tax income in the first quarter, as we trend towards our statutory tax rate in Canada and the U.S., our two largest markets. Going forward, we would expect that our tax rate will continue to trend in the range of 24%-27% of pre-tax income over the balance of the year. Although, as always, we should add that our tax rate may fluctuate from quarter to quarter from one-time tax items that may arise as we operate internationally across multiple countries. We expect stock-based compensation will be approximately $4 million for the balance of the year, subject to any forfeitures of stock options or share units. Finally, in the past, we've indicated that we are comfortable that we would operate the business with an adjusted EBITDA range of 32%-37% of sales.

As a result of the strength from recent acquisitions and the continued operating leverage from revenue growth within our business, we now expect that we will achieve adjusted EBITDA operating ratios in the range of 35%-40% of revenue in the quarters ahead. With that, I'll turn it back over to Ed, who will wrap up with our baseline calibration.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Okay, great. Thanks, Allan. Calibration for Q2 FY 2020. Similar to previous quarters, we don't provide guidance, but we use our baseline calibration as a key metric relating to the ongoing health and strength of our business. Our calibration for Q2 assumes the following exchange rates: $0.74 Canadian dollar, 1.12 EUR to US dollar, and 1.3 GBP to US dollar. Our calibration for Q2 is $76 million in visible recurring contracted revenues, our baseline revenues. Our baseline operating expenses are $52.2 million, which gives us a baseline calibration of $23.8 million for adjusted EBITDA for Q2. Some other key points related to how we're positioned for fiscal 2020. We have a solid financial footing. We have a healthy business that's well-calibrated, and we have a healthy balance sheet. We're profitable and cash-generating. We have low capital needs within our organic business.

As you've seen from our recent historical financial results, we have solid growth in our organic business. Our primary use of capital for continued use in acquisitions, we've completed 43 acquisitions since 2006. We have access to additional capital quickly should we need it. Allan mentioned that following the acquisition of CORE, we have about $265 million drawn on our line of credit of $350 million, leaving $85 million in capacity available immediately. We've also filed a preliminary shelf prospectus for up to $750 million if capital was needed to be raised by other mechanisms. We have a strong acquisition pipeline. There continues to be a lot of industry activity right now with the consolidation continuing in our market.

With our capital capacity and our execution capabilities, there are still a number of acquisition opportunities to expand the geographic reach, functional capabilities, trade data and content, or community of participants on our network. We continue to see a lot of interesting opportunities out there to continue or even accelerate our pace of profitable growth. We're seeing both larger and smaller opportunities, and while we'll review everything as it comes our way, we're not buyers for buyers' sake. The fact that we have an acquisition line of credit and a shelf filing in place doesn't change how we review acquisitions. We intend to continue to be prudent on valuation, but we're confident in our ability to deploy capital effectively. Furthermore, we don't see the recent larger acquisition of Visual Compliance impacting our ability to continue executing on our plan.

As I just said, we're confident in our ability to deploy capital, as you've just seen with our recent acquisition of CORE, and we have a robust integration methodology in place to help us quickly and efficiently integrate incoming businesses. As a reminder for our plans for the remainder of fiscal 2020, as we've said in the past, our belief for sustainable growth in the long term is 10%-15% growth in adjusted EBITDA. However, given the scale of Visual Compliance and that acquisition for fiscal 2020, we're planning for a growth rate in adjusted EBITDA in the mid-to-high 20s. As in the past, we intend to invest any over-performance back in the business. Our growth is planned to come through a combination of organic and inorganic activities, and acquisitions are not incremental to this plan.

We intend to continue to focus on recurring revenue and de-emphasize one-time license sales. Given the current performance of the business and mindful of the FX environment, as Allan mentioned, we are increasing our planned operating margin from 32%-37% to a range of 35%-40%. Please keep in mind, this could vary if we buy other businesses that need fixing up or if the FX environment changes, both of which would impact that metric in the short run. Finally, as always, we'll continue to make ourselves available to shareholders to answer any questions. We think we've got a great business. We want to be available to help people learn about our business. We'll continue to spend time and resources to get the word out, and we hope you'll do the same. With that, let's open it up to your questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. We'll now begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please press star then one on your touch-tone phone. If you wish to be removed from the queue, please press the pound sign or the hash key. There'll be a delay before the first question is announced. If you're using speakerphone, you may need to pick up the handset first before pressing the numbers. Once again, if you have an audio question, please press star then one on your touch-tone phone. Our first question comes from Paul Steep from Scotia Capital. Your line is open.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Great. Thanks. Ed, can you maybe talk just a little bit about how we want to think about your capital allocation strategy right now? You mentioned a strong M&A pipeline. What's the comfort with taking the level up, if the right opportunities sort of appear in terms of taking leverage towards maybe three times or looking at other options?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Well, I think, as always, we're going to do exactly what we think we should do in terms of if we find a company that we think would be a good acquisition and make money for our shareholders, we view it as our job to make sure we have the access to capital to do that. I think you've seen us do that a number of times in the past, I think that'll continue into the future.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Okay. If we move on to CORE, the contingent consideration there was fairly high. What's going to trigger that consideration? Should we think that it's more a revenue growth story, or is there a bigger opportunity maybe on building up maintenance revenue? We're curious about that one, given the combination with VelocityMail.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

We don't really like earn-outs, but when we do have them, they're typically focused on stuff that we can measure, and revenue's the most obvious one, and that is the case here. I think I could say this for every one we've ever done. We would always be happy if they hit the earn-out. We'd be happy if they are.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Great. Just the final clarification on that one. What's the opportunity with putting it together with VelocityMail? It basically looks like it gives you effectively a great global platform there. How should we think about the timing to maybe get towards that consolidated product? Thanks.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Yeah, we're working on it. Hey, thanks, Paul. We're working on it right now. They come at the problem from a little different angle, with CORE being focused on some technology that lets you scan shipments in and readers that help you do that. We think with those two acquisitions, we're the global leader in this space, and we do business with just about every airline in the world. It's something we think we can carry around the world and maybe potentially find more opportunities for that. On the cost side, that wasn't really our intention in buying it. There may be ways for us to operate more efficiently over time with the two businesses, but that certainly wasn't the driving focus behind the acquisitions. More trying to become the dominant player in our space in that part of our business.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Thank you.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thanks, Paul.

Operator

Your next question comes from Paul Treiber from RBC. Your line is open.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC

Thanks very much. Good afternoon. Just in the MD&A, the disclosure on Visual Compliance is that it contributed $5.7 million in revenue in the quarter. Is that the right number if we annualize that? Is that the right number to assume for the full year, or is there any unusuals or adjustments that may have impacted Q1 that may not be recurring through the rest of the year?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Yeah, Paul, it's Allan. I think you have to keep in mind that the Visual Compliance we had in for a partial quarter, so we'll have it for a full quarter in Q2. There's also an impact from the accounting for deferred revenue that you have to take with the accounting rules. Those will impact us for the first year. Yeah, other than being a partial quarter and those accounting rules which will affect us for a year, it's a reasonable number for the run rate going forward, and we hope to grow off that.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC

Just to clarify the deferred revenue right there, is that a typical or roughly typical 20% of total revenue?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Of deferred revenue? Yes. It wouldn't be 20% of the total revenue in this case, but it's a significant number in this business because a lot of the business was built in advance. You'll see a big increase in our deferred revenue number, a lot of that coming from Visual Compliance, and unfortunately, we have to lose part of that in the purchase price accounting, which I think you understand then we pick up next year.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC

Okay. That's helpful. Just another accounting one. I asked this last quarter, but just wanted to clarify, just on the new lease accounting standard, was there any impact to disclose on EBITDA?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

No, you'll see it on the balance sheet, about $10.5 million worth of leases go in and a lease obligation offsetting that in the liabilities. Very insignificant impact to net income or EBITDA.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC

Okay. Thank you. Just one more from me, just for Ed, just on IBM's blockchain initiative, TradeLens, a couple additional ocean carriers joined that. I think you talked at length about it in the past. Does a couple more carriers change your view on that initiative?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

No. I mean, look, we're participating in a number of blockchain initiatives as well. Any ones that are successful, I'm sure we'll be right in the middle of. It's another way that customers can communicate. This is my personal opinion, just looking at that form of communication versus some of the other ones that are out there, if you come back 10 years from now, I think it's unlikely to be the way that the world communicates with each other. To the extent that we have customers that want to communicate that way, it's our job to do that with them, and we stand ready to participate with them in doing it. I just don't see a lot of blockchain transactions going on right now. It's a lot of talk, not a lot of action.

If that changes, we're going to be right in the middle of it, until it does, we're going to treat it as we see it.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC

Okay. Thank you. I'll pass along.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thanks, Paul.

Operator

Your next question comes from Matt Pfau from William Blair. Your line is open.

Matt Pfau
Analyst, William Blair

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Wanted to ask on the capacity matching solution, obviously a lot of interest there at your user conference. How did that convert into users on the platform, then when could this product become a more material portion of revenue for you?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Yeah, we were real pleased with how it went at User Group. We had a bunch of people that were very interested in and even existing customers that were talking about expanding their usage of the solution. We're excited about it because it's taken off quickly. Still, it's early days yet, right? I think we have a little north of 30 customers working on it with us right now, and we'll continue to go and add more participants carefully to that solution. I think it'll be a ways off before it's a material part of our revenue. It's exciting to us because we're starting from zero and building something from the ground up that we think has a lot of legs. When you're starting from zero, it also takes a long time to impact the revenue of a company of our size.

Matt Pfau
Analyst, William Blair

Got it. Just wanted to ask on the Amber Road acquisition and E2open with their acquisition of INTTRA and then Amber Road, it seems like they are starting to have some overlap with you. How does that impact you at all, if any?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Well, the INTTRA one, we're expanding our partnership with them, so that's great. I don't view them as a competitor there. We're working together to get more and more people communicating electronically in the ocean space. The Amber Road side is maybe less of an issue for us, and we don't directly compete with Amber Road. We work alongside SAP, Oracle, NetSuite, and a couple of others to go head-to-head with Amber Road and 15 or 20 other companies like them in that global trade management space. We didn't really have a ton of opinion on whether Amber Road's a public company or Amber Road's owned by E2open. It wasn't a material issue for us.

Matt Pfau
Analyst, William Blair

Got it. That's it for me, guys. Thanks a lot.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Hey, thanks, Matt.

Operator

Your next question comes from Steven Li from Raymond James. Your line is open.

Steven Li
Analyst, Raymond James

Hey, thank you. A quick one for Allan. You gave us the FX impact on the revenue. How about EBITDA, Allan?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Yeah, very insignificant, Steven. As you know, we're very much naturally hedged operating in the various currencies. A little bit of extra exposure to the Canadian dollar, which offsets the impact in the pound and the euro. Around $100,000 positive impact to EBITDA from the $1.7 million revenue impact.

Steven Li
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, thanks. Edward, just if you can give us an update, a regulatory update on ACAS or ACE, and whether it started to impact your business, your compliance business. Thank you.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

You've heard us talk about ACAS for the last several years. We're getting into the exciting part for us, which is when the government starts enforcing it and really every customer has to join. I think sometime later this summer, you're going to see fines kicking in, which drags the last group of participants into it and kind of puts us in a situation where all the people that need to do this are going to be doing this, and hopefully most of them with us. We're excited about it. We're ready for it. We've been years coming, getting our customers ready for this, and most of them are already in the middle of it. There'll be a last round of customers coming in, I think, as the penalty phases kick in, I believe towards the end of the summer.

Steven Li
Analyst, Raymond James

Would you say the majority of your customers are yet to come in, or you've done quite a fair bit of that already?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

No, I think the majority of our customers are in, well over 50% are in. There'll be some guys that come in towards the end, and there'll also be customers that are in that don't file all their shipments because they don't have to, so they'll still find paper ways to do it when they have some kind of issue with their system. By the end of the summer, everyone's going to have to be doing it electronically, which is great news.

Steven Li
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, great. Thanks.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thanks, Steven.

Operator

Your next question comes from Deepak Goel from GMP. Your line is open.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

Hey, thanks. Hey, guys. How are you guys doing?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Hey, great. Thanks, Deepak.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

Sorry, that was my first question. I've got a couple more.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

We're doing great, yeah.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

I'm not as funny as Scott, but okay. Visual Compliance. I just wanted to dig into that a bit more. You guys, in the past with MK Data, the way I understood it with my simple mind, you supplied the data to SAP and Oracle platforms, and they served the customers, whereas Visual Compliance actually had their own platform that served end customers directly. Will those kind of be competing with each other, or are they complementary? What benefit does Oracle and SAP get now that you own Visual Compliance?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

We bought it because it was complementary, right? It's a little different than you described. You're directionally correct, but I'll give you a little more detail on it. An SAP or Oracle customer buys their global trade management system, and as part of that, they then come directly to us to buy data content. They buy 2 types of data content, tariff and duty information that they can use to feed the day-to-day changes in the rate information so that the companies that are using those global trade management solutions are always calculating accurate tariffs and duties. The second piece is on the third-party screen side, where we're supplying them with the list that they can embed directly into their SAP and Oracle systems.

Visual Compliance does not have a system that competes against SAP and Oracle, but they sell to customers that either have built their own global trade management system or use a third party that's not SAP and Oracle. They do it in a way that was very interesting to us, which is to have a transactional processing engine, where they send us names and shipment information and say, "Can I send this shipment to this guy?" They give us all the information about the person they're shipping it to and what they're shipping, et cetera, and we come back with an answer. Visual Compliance comes back with an answer specifically. That transactional system, I think, opens us up to a much broader swath of the market that is the people that are not using SAP or Oracle or NetSuite.

That was our reason behind doing it. We're a dominant player in that market as a result of owning both of them, and we're pretty excited that now we kind of have all the bases covered in terms of the different ways the customers want to do this and our ability to service them.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

Okay. That's actually quite helpful. I wanted to ask you on that further, on the pricing strategy. I didn't get full details, but at your user conference, I picked up that the pricing strategies between what you had with MK Data and your existing content business versus Visual Compliance is slightly different. Is this related to the fact that it's a different type of customer base and different application, or is there a fundamentally-

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Different service.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

How do you reconcile the different pricing strategies? Yeah, okay.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

It's a different service, right? One guy's doing it one way, the other guy's doing it an entirely different way, I don't really see any problem with that. I thought they were both priced pretty fairly. One guy, in effect, is buying it in bulk, I'm giving him bulk distribution every day, the other guy's paying transactional prices. As we looked at it, they were close enough, I think. The customers are getting a pretty good deal on both sides of it. For the foreseeable future, we're leaving that mechanism in place.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

Okay. That's helpful. On the capacity matching, I think on the previous question, you said you were at 30 customers, but careful to add new ones. Maybe you can talk about the challenges in scaling the customer base too quickly and if you're at the stage, if you're pushing back demand or how we should think about that.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

We're doing a couple things. One, we're trying to get our customers to do more with us, right? They don't all give us all the capacity to match. As our solution gets more and more capable or robust, we're rolling that out within the existing customer base. We're also listening to them, trying to get feedback so that when we bring this out to market in a broader sense, that we have all the functionality that the driver wants, that the broker wants, and that the broker's customers want in managing this process for them. That's why you see us proceeding cautiously here. That's why you see us making a lot of investment to make sure this is a great service for the long run. We don't launch a whole lot of new services at Descartes.

Most of the time we are buying new services and enhancing them. In this case, we're launching a brand-new one out of the gate, and we're being real careful about how we do that to make sure our customers like the service and remain happy with us.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

Okay, good. Well, that's good to know, and it's good to know that you're starting to launch some new ones on your own. I have a final question for Allan. Again, it's a follow-up. You talked about the deferred revenue related to Visual Compliance. If you're increasing your EBITDA growth guidance to 30%, I would assume that the cash flow, given the deferred revenue issue, would lag it or would the cash flow grow in the same pace?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

No. Okay, first off, EBITDA.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

Did I reveal my accounting stupidity in that question?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

No. What we did talk to you about is increasing the range of EBITDA as a percentage of revenue that we feel comfortable operating the business at 35%-40% of revenue.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

Yeah.

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

That is something we did do. As far as the deferred revenue impact, it has an impact of suppressing revenue in the first year post-acquisition. This happens in every acquisition. This one's a little bit bigger, with most of the revenue being billed in advance annually, in advance on contracts. It will have an impact. It will not have as big of an impact on cash, but overall, that won't change our thought process on cash flow conversion. We'll still convert about 80%-90% of our adjusted EBITDA. If that answers your question.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

Okay. Yeah. I thought I'd heard you say that you expect EBITDA to increase this year 30% year-over-year versus typical 10%-15% range. The question was

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

I think Ed

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

the cash flow.

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Yeah, Ed did mention that EBITDA would increase in the high 20s, I believe.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Yes.

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

We were 30% up this quarter, so good, strong performance.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

Cash flow could follow that?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Yes.

Deepak Goel
Analyst, GMP

Sorry, cash flow should follow it? Okay. Excellent. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for taking my questions.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Hey, thank you.

Operator

That concludes the question and answer session. I'll turn the call back over to speakers for final remarks.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Okay, great. Thanks, everyone. We appreciate your time this afternoon and look forward to reporting back to you on our results for Q2 in a couple of months. Have a great day.

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.