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Earnings Call: Q4 2018

Mar 5, 2018

Operator

Hello, welcome to the Descartes quarterly results call. My name is Brandon, and I'll be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If you'd like to ask a question during today's presentation, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded, and I will now turn it over to Scott Pagan. You may begin, sir.

Scott Pagan
President and COO, Descartes Systems Group

Thanks, good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on the call today are Ed Ryan, CEO, and Allan Brett, CFO. I trust that everyone has received a copy of our financial results press release that was issued earlier today. Portions of today's call, other than historical performance, include statements of forward-looking information within the meaning of applicable securities laws. These statements are made under the Safe Harbor provisions of those laws. These forward-looking statements include statements related to Descartes' operating performance, financial results and conditions, Descartes' gross margins and any growth in those gross margins, cash flow and use of cash, business outlook, baseline revenues, baseline operating expenses, and baseline calibration, anticipated and potential revenue losses and gains, anticipated recognition and expensing of specific revenues and expenses, potential acquisitions and acquisition strategy, cost reduction in integration initiatives, and other matters that may constitute forward-looking statements.

These forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks, uncertainties, assumptions, and other factors that may cause the actual results, performance, or achievements of Descartes to differ materially from the anticipated results, performance, or achievements implied by such forward-looking statements. These factors are outlined in the press release and in the section entitled Certain Factors That May Affect Future Results in documents filed and furnished with the SEC, the OSC, and other securities commissions across Canada, including our management's discussion and analysis filed today. We provide forward-looking statements solely for the purpose of providing information about management's current expectations and plans relating to the future. You're cautioned that such information may not be appropriate for other purposes.

We don't undertake or accept any obligation or undertaking to release publicly any updates or revisions to any forward-looking statements to reflect any change in our expectations or any change in events, conditions, assumptions, or circumstances on which any such statement is based, except as is required by law. With that, let me turn the call over to Ed.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Hey, great. Thanks, Scott. Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the call. Thanks for joining us today. As some of you may know, we are hosting our call this quarter from beautiful West Palm Beach, Florida. We are about to kick off our Evolution 2018, Descartes Global User and Partner Conference. Seems fitting that we are about to kick off our biggest conference ever with record attendance from customers and partners at the same time as we announce another record quarter and fiscal year. The theme of this year's conference is consistent with one of the larger factors impacting our business. The conference theme is titled Logistics: The Engine of E-commerce. Not many people would argue that the rise of E-commerce is putting traditional business models at risk, while it may very well make our lives as consumers simpler in many ways, the business environment is getting more and more complex.

Increasingly demanding consumer buying expectations are now finding their way into the B2B market. This brings complexity into business. We are here to help isolate our customers from this complexity and to help them thrive in this challenging environment. Our focus on helping our customers manage the life cycle of shipments across transportation modes, geographies, and commodities on one platform continues to resonate in the market. We have grown as our customers and partners have supported our vision. In the fiscal year just ended that we are announcing today, we added even more customers and solutions to the global logistics network. We have already kicked off 2019 with a new addition to the family with Aljex, an acquisition that complements our ongoing investment in our MacroPoint business. We are working on some pretty exciting developments in this area. I will speak to that a bit later in the call.

In fact, we have got lots of exciting developments across the business. Today I will walk you through some of those business highlights. If you happen to be here in Palm Beach, you can see for yourself and talk to us about what is going on. Before I speak to that, I will start the call by taking you through some of the highlights from our record financial results this quarter. Following my business update, Allan will then take us through the financial results in a little more detail, including a recap of the full fiscal year results. I will finish up with some comments about our calibration for Q1 and our operating plans moving forward. Let us start by going over some of the key financial highlights for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2018. We had another record quarter of revenue. We are very happy with our key metrics.

Our adjusted EBITDA continues to grow in line with our plans of 10%-15% per year. For the last quarter, we generated $21.4 million of adjusted EBITDA, an increase of 16% over Q4 of last year. Revenue for the quarter was up 20% from Q4 last year, coming in at $63.6 million. We converted 92% of our adjusted EBITDA into cash, generating $19.6 million of cash in the quarter. Consistent with our long-term operating plans, we have been investing cash back into our business through focused R&D investments and by combining with complementary businesses. To summarize, great quarter to round off a great year. We are really happy about where the business is right now. We are really excited to kick off our global user conference, which promises to be a great event.

With that, I'd like to talk a little bit about some of our innovations and investment, many of which we'll be showcasing this week at our global user conference. Our customers are brought together by our global logistics network and mission. We want to help people move shipments of all sizes to and from anywhere in the world, whether it's domestic partial shipment or international cargo or something in between. The GLN is a place where shippers, transportation carriers, logistics intermediaries, and government agencies can share information and leverage that information to make better decisions. The network is key because logistics is a multi-party problem, and it's complicated. Regulations are changing every day. Customers are asking for more options every day. Companies like Amazon are disrupting the status quo. We're looking to isolate our customers from complexity and give them a competitive advantage in the market.

How we do it with the global logistics network by bringing together a wide range of capabilities, content, connections, all in one place so the customers can, number one, research and plan who to do business with and how. Two, connect to a global trading community to collaborate and share information. Three, execute and monitor shipments and react in real time to changes. Four, analyze data with business intelligence tools to improve for next time. You can think of each area of our business through that lens. Each of our solutions help one or more likely multiple parties improve processes in the life cycle of a shipment. While all of our customers are part of the global logistics network, we have several different solution sets that our customers use in various combinations.

I want to highlight some of our key investments and developments in the five different solution tracks that we're showcasing here at our user group. The first track I'll speak to is our private and dedicated fleet track. Descartes has a long history of helping fleet owners improve route optimization, specifically considering the impact of e-commerce. We have solutions that help retailers transform their delivery operations and customer experience into a truly omni-channel offering. This has been a great area of growth for us. We continue to be the go-to company for retailers who are looking to distinguish their business based on their logistics operations. Our customers can use our dynamic scheduling home delivery solutions to enhance their customer experience, right from the online delivery appointment booking through to the mobile monitoring and delivery at the customer's door.

Some key innovations that will be showcased here at User Group relate to our mobile and telematics offerings that are integrated with our route planning solutions. That leads me to our second major solution track, purchase transportation. Our transportation management solutions, or TMSs, you'll hear them referred to, help companies of all sizes manage purchase transportation. This can range from managing small parcel shipments to less than truckload and full truckload shipments, as well as air, ocean, and rail shipments. Two exciting areas for development for us in this track relate to MacroPoint and our most recent acquisition, Aljex. With respect to MacroPoint, I'm sure many of you are looking for an update on how the business is progressing. I'm happy to report that it's continuing to grow.

We've been successfully integrating the product with our Descartes solutions, and we've worked hard to achieve some quick synergies on the customer side, where we continue to land some really interesting deals with both freight brokers, and shippers. Our partner community has been very interested as well. We're working hard to put integrations in place with the larger partners like SAP, whose customers are increasingly asking for shipment visibility. At our conference, we'll be demonstrating the investments we've been making to leverage MacroPoint's content to provide transportation brokers and shippers with predictive freight capacity to help identify early opportunities for additional freight moves. Unlocking trapped transportation capacity represents one of the greatest opportunities for freight brokers, carriers, and shippers to really improve service while reducing transportation costs. It gets even more interesting when you think about how this fits together with Aljex, our most recent acquisition.

Aljex provides back-office transportation management solutions for freight brokers and transportation providers, helping customers manage shipments from order creation through to execution, including real-time tracking on our MacroPoint network. Both MacroPoint and Aljex acquisitions illustrate our commitment to the freight broker community on our global logistics network. Aljex helps freight brokers every day run their business and manage shipments, and MacroPoint is focused on giving those same brokers visibility to those shipments while they're in motion. We strive to continue to deliver solutions that help intermediaries serve the logistics market even more efficiently. This is a really exciting time for this part of our business. Welcome to all the Aljex employees, customers, and partners as they join our ecosystem here at Descartes. Third solution track I'll speak to is our freight forwarder, broker, and customs track.

Every quarter, I hear of new startups that are looking to disintermediate the freight forwarders and 3PLs from the logistics process. We are not trying to do that. We believe that freight brokers, 3PLs, customs brokers, NVOCCs, and any other intermediary will continue to play a key role in international trade well into the future. As a result, we continue to expand the solutions we offer this important group of industry players. This is one of the reasons why we invested in MacroPoint and Aljex to provide tools to our customers to help them be even better service providers. We have targeted solutions for forwarders and brokers that can help them interact with carriers, other intermediaries, and their customers, and they can also make use of the wider solution sets on the GLN, such as our content tools and our e-commerce footprint.

We also continue to build out solutions for our customs filings and security compliance. As we've talked about on these calls before, rules and regulations are constantly evolving, and we have a team of people dedicated to staying on top of this and providing solutions that help isolate our customers from complexity in this ever-changing landscape. You don't need to look far for changes in trade flow. We've been talking for over a year now about Brexit, and I'm sure everyone read about the potential trade war as heightened steel and aluminum tariffs may come into play for imports into the United States. I can't tell you exactly how this plays out, but we do know that when duties and tariffs change, supply chains adapt, and people need tools and data to help them make better decisions. That's what we're here to do.

That leads nicely to the fourth solution track, which is our global trade content track. To make informed decisions, you need timely and relevant data. As it relates to duties and tariffs, our Customs Info content team is continually gathering, cleansing, and normalizing duties and tariff data for more than 160 countries around the world. This timely data is critical for companies managing large international supply chains. If it turns out that you're going to modify your supply chain as a result of any changes in duties and tariffs, you may need to look for new suppliers or potential buyers, and you can do that using our Datamyne tools. While you're at it, you'll also want to leverage our MK Data content to perform denied party screening to determine if any of your potential new trading partners is on any denied party list around the world.

That's just one example of how our content tools are used every day. For those that attended the conference last year, you may have seen that our Datamyne sessions generated a lot of excitement. Since then, the business has been doing very well, and we've continued to look for ways that our team of logistics trade data domain experts and data scientists can help us think about the data already flowing through the GLN in different ways. We'll be demonstrating our first result of that work here at User Group, whereby we'll be giving an advanced preview of an upcoming air content product. Last but not least, given this year's theme, "Logistics as the Engine of e-commerce," let's talk quickly about our e-commerce focused solutions. We've talked earlier in the call about consumer buying patterns changing and how that's making its way into the B2B market.

We've also talked about how our focus on helping customers with all types of shipments, large or small. We've recently made investments into this space, and in particular, investments to build comprehensive omni-channel solutions to help small and medium businesses deal with the complexities of e-commerce fulfillment and parcel shipment execution. Without a comprehensive omni-channel strategy that includes advanced parcel shipping capabilities, e-commerce retailers and small and medium businesses alike can be left with escalating costs and poor delivery execution that can impact customer satisfaction. This is something we recognized a while back. Our e-commerce portfolio now combines our e-commerce fulfillment solutions from pixi with our parcel execution capabilities from Oz and ShipRush.

To give an example, our customers can integrate with front end e-commerce systems to collect order information, translate that into a mobile driven pick and pack process within the warehouse, and initiate the shipment to the customer with seamless package labeling, rating, tracking, and postage processing. This is a highly differentiated offering, we're going to market with our e-commerce solutions very effectively with partners, which is driving some very nice growth in this part of our business. Before I hand the call over to Allan to talk a bit more about the financials, I'd like to thank some of the people that continue to contribute to the strength of our business. Thanks to our employees for all the hard work they put in to make sure our customers get results. Our customers continue to get results, and that's why we have a successful business, thank you.

Thanks to our customers who continue to place confidence in Descartes as their network of choice, thanks to those who made the trip down to Florida here for User Group. Thank you to our partners for helping us continue to expand our ecosystem. A special thanks to those that are here at User Group as sponsors. Thank you to our shareholders for continuing to have confidence in Descartes. Finally, thanks to everyone involved in prepping for this User Group conference. It's going to be a very special event. With that, I'll turn the call over to Allan.

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Okay, thanks, Ed. As indicated, I'm going to take you through our financial highlights for the fourth quarter and our year ended January 31st, 2018. As Ed mentioned, we are pleased to report record quarterly revenue of $63.6 million this quarter, up 20% from revenue of $52.8 million in the fourth quarter last year, and up 3% sequentially from the third quarter of this year. Service revenue remained strong, coming in at $61.6 million, also up 20% from the same period last year and consistent at 97% of total revenue. Gross margin was also strong, coming in at 73% of revenue for the fourth quarter, and this is consistent with the third quarter of this year and up slightly from 72% in the fourth quarter of last year.

As a result of the continued revenue growth and strong cost control, we experienced adjusted EBITDA growth of 16% to $21.4 million, or 34% of revenue in the fourth quarter, compared to $18.5 million or 35% of revenue in the same period last year. As a percentage of revenue, adjusted EBITDA was adversely impacted again this quarter by a weakening of the U.S. dollar against most other currencies, including the euro, the pound, and the Canadian dollar. As a result of these solid operating results, cash flow from operations came in at $19.6 million, or 92% of adjusted EBITDA in the fourth quarter, up slightly from the fourth quarter of last year. Looking at our tax rate, we've recorded a positive impact of approximately $700,000 in the fourth quarter related to the implementation of the new U.S. tax rules.

However, we also had some smaller one time items that partially offset this positive impact in the quarter. As a result, our income tax rate came in at 22% of pre-tax profits in the fourth quarter, slightly lower than the 22.2% rate recorded in Q3, and down nicely compared to the tax rate of 24.3% in the fourth quarter last year. As a result of all the previously mentioned items, GAAP net income came in at $6.7 million or $0.09 per diluted common share in the fourth quarter, an increase of 10% from net income of $6.1 million or $0.08 per diluted common share in the fourth quarter last year. If we look at our results of operations for the entire year, revenue came in at $237.4 million in fiscal 2018, up 16% from revenues of $203.8 million last year.

Gross margin was 73% for the year, again, up slightly from gross margins of 72% last year. Adjusted EBITDA for the year was $80.8 million compared to $70.1 million in fiscal 2017, an increase of 15% and consistent at 34% of revenue in each period. Cash flow from operations was solid at $72.1 million or 89% of adjusted EBITDA this year, compared to $72.6 million or 104% of adjusted EBITDA last year. We should note that we continue to expect cash flow from operations to come in between 85%-95% of adjusted EBITDA. As we saw last year, sometimes we will experience unusual items that will cause us to see results outside this range. Our tax rate for the year came in at 22.7%, down from 24.3% in fiscal 2017. GAAP net income for this year came in at $26.9 million or $0.35 per diluted common share.

Compared to $22.8 million or $0.31 per diluted common share in fiscal 2017, which represented an increase of 13%. As Ed has already mentioned, overall, we are really pleased with these continued strong operating results as we closed out our fiscal 2018 year. If we look at the balance sheet, we ended the year with a cash balance of $35.1 million, while we had $37.0 million drawn on our credit facility. As a result, we ended the year with a very small net debt position of $1.9 million. During the fourth quarter, we were able to repay $18 million on our credit facility. As you recall, we drew $80 million on our credit facility in August to complete the MacroPoint acquisition, and now have repaid $43 million of this total in the last five and a half months of the year.

Finally, on our debt balance, we should also mention that we drew an additional $33 million on our credit facility just after year-end to complete the Aljex acquisition. As a result, as of February 1st, we had about $70 million drawn against our $150 million credit facility. We continue to believe that with our current cash balances, the $80 million currently remaining undrawn on the credit facility, our ability to expand the credit facility by an additional $75 million, as well as the expectation of continued cash flow from operations, we remain very well-capitalized. If we look to fiscal 2019 to round out our financial picture, we should note the following. At this point, we see a minor positive impact on revenue from FX in the first quarter. As always, we continue to be fairly naturally hedged to FX impacts on our adjusted EBITDA and operating cash flows.

Beginning this year, we will begin to adopt the new revenue recognition rules as outlined under ASC 606. We currently expect that there will be very little impact to our revenue recognition from the adoption of this new standard. However, we do expect to see an impact on our recording of sales commissions. Up until now, we have always expensed sales commissions as they were earned. Under the new accounting standard, going forward, we will be required to defer and amortize these sales commissions over the expected life of the customer relationship. In the first quarter, we expect to record a deferred commission asset of between $2 million and $3 million, net of any tax impact, and we will adjust opening returning earnings by the same amount as a result of this change in accounting policy.

Although we will expense that deferred commission asset into our income statement over time, going forward, we would expect there to be a small, yet positive impact on net income and adjusted EBITDA from this new revenue standard as future commissions are deferred and expensed over time under the new accounting rules. As I mentioned earlier, our tax rate was 22.7% for the year in FY 2018, going forward, we've expected it will be in the range of 20%-23% of pre-tax income, and this is inclusive of the positive impact of the new U.S. tax rules. As always, our tax rate may be impacted quarter-to-quarter by any unusual or one-time adjustments in any of our international operations.

After spending $5.1 million on capital assets in fiscal 2018, we expect to incur between $6 million and $8 million in additional capital expenditures this year, these expenditures are expected to continue to be primarily focused on investments in the network, including the area of cybersecurity. We currently expect amortization expense will be $35 million for fiscal 2019, with this figure being subject to adjustment for FX changes and the completion of any additional acquisitions. This number is inclusive of the Aljex acquisition, however. Finally, we expect stock-based compensation will be in the range of $2.2 million-$2.6 million in the coming year. I will now turn it back over to Ed to give calibration and wrap-up.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Hey, great. Thanks, Allan. Let's talk about calibration for Q1. Similar to previous quarters, we don't provide guidance, but we use our baseline calibration as a key metric relating to the ongoing health and strength of our business. Our calibration for Q1 assumes the following exchange rates: CAD 0.81, EUR 1.24 to USD, and GBP 1.42 to USD. Our calibration for Q1 is $62.3 million in visible recurring contracted revenues, our baseline revenues. This is impacted by the positive movement in FX rates and the addition of Aljex, while on the flip side, we're coming off our peak season, which benefits from holiday shipment volumes, particularly on the small parcel side. We have $44.7 million in baseline operating expenses. This gives us a baseline calibration of $17.6 million for adjusted EBITDA for Q1.

Some other key points related to how we're positioned for fiscal 2019. First, we're very well capitalized. We have a healthy business that's well calibrated, and as Allan mentioned, we also have a healthy balance sheet. We are profitable and generating cash. We have low capital needs within our organic business. Our primary use of capital is for continued use in acquisitions. We've completed 39 acquisitions since 2006 and one already here in fiscal 2019. We have access to additional capital should we need it. Allan mentioned that after Aljex, we have about $70 million drawn on our line of credit of $150 million. We have the ability to expand that line of credit to around $225 million, excuse me, and we have a shelf prospectus for up to $500 million if capital was needed to be raised by other mechanisms.

We also have a strong acquisition pipeline. You'll see there continues to be a lot of industry activity right now with consolidation continuing in our market. This capital capacity and our execution capabilities. There are still a number of acquisition opportunities to expand the geographic reach, functional capabilities, trade data and content or community of participants on our network. We continue to see a lot of interesting opportunities out there to continue or even accelerate our pace of profitable growth. We're seeing both larger and smaller opportunities, and while we review everything that comes our way, we're not buyers for buyers' sake. The fact that we have an acquisition line of credit and a shelf filing in place doesn't change how we view acquisitions. We intend to continue to be prudent on valuations, but we're confident in our ability to deploy our capital effectively.

Looking ahead to fiscal 2019, we've completed our planning process as we do every year around this time. It should be no surprise to anyone that our plans are very similar to the past. We continue to target 10%-15% annual adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA per share growth. As in the past, we intend to invest any over-performance back in the business. Our growth is planned to come through a combination of organic and inorganic activities. As always, acquisitions are not incremental to this plan. We intend to continue to focus on recurring revenue and de-emphasize one-time license sales. Our planned operating margin range remains in the 32%-37% range. Given the current performance of the business and mindful of the FX environment, that remains our target range, even as we integrate MacroPoint into our business.

Please keep in mind this could vary if we buy other businesses that need fixing up, which would impact that metric in the short run. And finally, as always, we'll continue to make ourselves available to shareholders to answer any questions. I think we've got a great business. We want to be available to help people learn about our business. We'll continue to spend time and resources to get the word out, and we hope you'll do the same. So with that, let's open the call up for questions. Operator?

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to be removed from the queue, please press the pound sign or the hash key. There may be a delay before the first question is announced. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up your handset first before dialing the numbers. Once again, if you have a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Please hold for just a moment. From Barclays Capital, we have Phillip Huang. Please go ahead.

Phillip Huang
Analyst, Barclays Capital

Yes, thanks. Good afternoon.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

How's it going, Phillip?

Phillip Huang
Analyst, Barclays Capital

Good, thanks. How are you?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Great.

Phillip Huang
Analyst, Barclays Capital

On MacroPoint, I was wondering if you could provide a bit more color around the progress on that. It's broadened your network reach and partnerships, and you previously indicated that there's strong interest in the product. I was wondering if you could give us an update on the growth you're achieving there. Not sure if I missed it in your remarks. I think you previously indicated 15%-16% growth in the past. I was wondering if you could update us on that.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

We're real happy with that business. Not only has it continued the growth that we saw before the acquisition, but it's been a big help in our business. We have a tremendous amount of interest from some of our partners, the likes of SAP and Oracle, who are looking to provide that type of service to their customers. When we bought MacroPoint, they were looking to go after big retailers and manufacturers, and it kind of scaled up to do that. We're in early days. After the acquisition, we were able to turn that onto our sales force and get them out in front of the 17,000 customers on our network and start to help accelerate the growth in that portion of their business. All that's come together to make it a very exciting acquisition for us, and we're real happy with it.

Phillip Huang
Analyst, Barclays Capital

Are you able to provide us maybe a range of growth that you think is achievable in the near or even midterm? Are we talking about sort of 50% plus type growth, or is it something that is perhaps a little bit less meaningful as we think about as you ramp up the whole process?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Phil, it's Allan Brett here. I think as Ed indicated, we're really happy with the business. We have expectations of the business. We hope to see it double over a period of around three years, and I think that's still consistent with what we'd expect.

Phillip Huang
Analyst, Barclays Capital

Got it. Okay. Then on the cost side, is it fair to assume that the costs related to MacroPoint are now largely fixed? You've got sort of all the salespeople in place. I'm asking this because I'm just wondering how we should think about margin contribution in the coming quarters.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

I think we said when we bought it that we were going to try eventually get this into line with our operating metrics. We made some moves right out of the gate to get off to a good start there. We continue to invest in that business in that it operates below our average operating margins because we think it's a great business, and it's growing very rapidly and specifically in the area of adding new customers or activating new customers on the network. We want to make an investment to make sure that we get all the freight brokers and transportation providers on the network as fast as we possibly can. We continue to invest in that area. As we said the day we bought it, we would plan to get it to our operating margins within one year or so.

I expect beyond that, it could potentially even be more profitable like a lot of the other areas of our network.

Phillip Huang
Analyst, Barclays Capital

Got it. No, that's helpful. One final question from me. Just looking at the pipeline, as you look at the pipeline of opportunities, do you see a greater abundance of opportunities that offer bigger revenue synergies that might also be a bit more expensive given it might be initially margin dilutive? I say that just because both MacroPoint and Aljex seem to offer very strong revenue synergies even if it requires a bit of upfront investment on the cost side. Thanks.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thanks, Phil. We look at all different types of businesses. We've bought all different types of businesses. We look at each of them individually and trying to examine their thesis and figure out what it's worth to us. That's what we pay people. If there's others out there that think they can do more with that business, they're probably going to win that deal. If we think we can do more with it than anybody else, we're probably going to win because we're going to be willing to pay more than others to get it. We think of ourselves as prudent investors. We don't like overpaying for stuff. We like to think that we got a good value for something when we bought it, and a fair deal for both sides of the party because we have to work with these guys after we acquire the company.

When we're buying businesses that are in great shape, all recurring revenue, growing fast, highly profitable, yeah, that's worth something to us. We're willing to pay to get that. On the flip side, we've bought businesses that are in trouble and need some help to get fixed up. In those situations, we're looking to pay pretty low multiples for something in hopes that we're going to be able to fix it up better than the current owners could, and turn it into a big win for our shareholders. We also know that's a lot of work, so we try to factor that into our evaluations. I don't think anything's ever changed for us in this evaluation. We think of it the same way all the way through, right? We're looking at each individual acquisition and going, "Is that something we should own?

If so, what are we willing to pay for it?" We're very prudent about sticking to our guns when that's the case.

Phillip Huang
Analyst, Barclays Capital

Right. Well, thanks very much. Helpful color.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thank you.

Operator

From William Blair, we have Matt Pfau. Please go ahead.

Matt Pfau
Analyst, William Blair

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. First, Ed-

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Hey, Matt. How you doing?

Matt Pfau
Analyst, William Blair

Hey, I'm good. I wanted to touch on Customs Info and MK Data, which have been in the mix for some time now. Where do you think you stand in terms of the opportunity to sell those within your existing customer base? I guess if that penetration is still relatively low, what do you need to do with those two products to sort of increase that penetration or conversion?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Yeah. We continue to sell into our customer base, I think we're doing that quite effectively right now. There's still lots to go. Lots more customers that don't use this service yet. We have to establish a need within our customer's mind for that service, right? One of the ways that's happened is you get in trouble, right? We have customers that get in trouble for not understanding the tariffs and duties or not understanding that they weren't allowed to ship something to someone. That's an obvious case for us to get a new customer. All of our international freight forwarders, we go out and spend time with them explaining how they can make this a service in their business, right? They can take the service that we provide and mark it up and provide it as a service to their customers.

We continue to educate them to get that to be the case. It's probably still early days, I would say. We see the growth in those businesses continuing for a long time to come.

Matt Pfau
Analyst, William Blair

Got it. Wanted to hit on the routing business. In terms of what you've seen, the impact from Amazon getting into to more types of deliveries and doing more deliveries themselves. How has that impacted the ability to sell solutions for private fleets? I guess within your existing customers, have you seen them expand the number of vehicles they have in their fleets, or have those contracted?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Typically, they're expanding over time as they're getting into e-commerce and selling more and more. Amazon's been a big help to us because it's created a need within the broader retail community, to be able to deliver to the home. You take the cases of Best Buy or Home Depot, they want to get good at doing this before Amazon gets good at doing it for them. I think you can read Best Buy's releases on your own, but they've done quite well in this e-commerce space in the last couple of years. We probably played a little bit of a role in that. We like to think we did, at least, in helping them manage this process more efficiently.

Matt Pfau
Analyst, William Blair

Got it. Okay. Last one from me, just on cash flow. Allan, it sounds like based on your commentary in terms of the range of cash flow as a percentage of EBITDA, you're expecting that growth to maybe more normalize and be more in line with EBITDA going forward. This year was a bit of an anomaly with the tough comp from the prior year. Is that correct?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Yeah. This year is comparative to last year because we were over 100% of adjusted EBITDA in the operating cash flow in FY 2017. It made it a bit tougher. Going forward, we would expect it in that 85%-95% range. Most of our EBITDA should end up in cash at the end of each year. That's the consistent view.

Matt Pfau
Analyst, William Blair

Okay, great. That's it for me, guys. Thanks a lot.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

From Morgan Stanley, we have Brian Essex. Please go ahead.

Thomas Robb
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hi, guys, it's Thomas Robb. I'm for Brian Essex.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Hey, Thomas.

Thomas Robb
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Good. How you guys doing?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Great.

Thomas Robb
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

I wanted to kind of dig into the possible trade sanctions that's kind of hitting the news right now. I think it's kind of only been like a few days, but when this kind of stuff hits the news, do your customers kind of call you and see what you guys think? Are you guys hearing anything from your clients on what this could mean for their business or how you can help manage it?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

We're typically not getting calls from them asking what the Trump administration or any other government's going to do about trade regulations, other than we might get them months from now as they start negotiating those trade regulations. We'll have some information from them about it. When it's in the news like you and I are reading right now, we tend to not know anything more than anyone else until the rubber starts to hit the road and governments start to take action. We start to see some of the advanced actions, and we'll advise our clients about that. More broadly, I think change is usually good for our business in this. People are talking about the changes in rates that may occur in the future.

Since we have a database that tells people what the rates are, that usually puts more focus and more value in our data content, which is generally a good thing for us.

Thomas Robb
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Got it. Then I guess when you think about your EBITDA growth framework for fiscal 2019, are there any big moving pieces that could push that to the lower end or the higher end of that 10%-15% range?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Well, acquisitions always play a role in it, right? Our organic growth in EBITDA tends to be fairly consistent. An acquisition can affect it positively or negatively, right? If we buy a company that's making 15% EBITDA margins and we're making 34% or so, that obviously provides a temporary drag on it. We don't tend to buy businesses where we don't think we can get it back to our levels at some point, but on the day we buy it, they're not always there. Conversely, we've bought businesses like MK Data or Customs Info that we're making a lot more than we were as a percentage of revenue, and they impact us positively. Allan's mentioned earlier, FX can impact it as well.

Big increases or changes in FX over the course of a quarter or two can change our profit margins a % or two, and we try to point that out when it happens.

Thomas Robb
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Got it. Thanks, guys.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thank you.

Operator

From RBC Capital Markets, we have Paul Treiber. Please go ahead.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks very much, and good afternoon. Just on e-commerce, it does seem like the messaging around e-commerce is rising in prominence. Just given your comments today and then also at the user conference this week, how does the go-to-market strategy differ for e-commerce versus your traditional business? Are there new partnerships you need to consider or other channels to go through to better address e-commerce?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Yeah, sure. I've mentioned this before over the last couple of years as we've gotten into the likes of Oz and pixi and ShipRush, Customs Info and Datamyne for that matter. Those companies go after a smaller customer base. Instead of going after customers that we traditionally went for, where your typical customer of ours might be spending five or 10 or 15 or 50 or $100,000 a month with us. Some of these businesses are going after customers that might pay 300 or 500 or $1,000 a month, and it causes a different go-to-market strategy, different marketing, different sales processes. If someone's going to pay you $100,000 a month at the end of it, you can have a lot of sales calls with that customer trying to show them the value that you bring to the table. If someone's going to pay you $300 a month, you can't.

I think we've done a very good job in the last couple of years of getting acclimated to that environment and starting to get good at it. We still have some ways to go, but I see significant changes in our organization as we've gone from 6,000 or 7,000 customers to 17,000 or 18,000 customers over the past five years in the way we go to market to attack both the big guy that wants to do a lot of sophisticated stuff with us and can save a lot of money, and the small guy who's got a booming e-commerce business, but relative to the major retailers of the world, they're still quite small and needs help from someone like us, but it's not a major solution.

I think we continue to evolve and get better at that, but I'm quite happy with the progress we've made so far.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

How do you think about e-commerce in terms of different geographies? Obviously we think about North America quite a bit because we're here, but is the opportunity and is the growth as rapid in Europe and really what are you seeing in Europe and outside of North America?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

I don't know if the growth is as rapid as it is in North America, but it's certainly moving now quite a bit. You saw us buy pixi over in Germany that has an e-commerce solution that provides warehouse management tools and transportation management tools. Oz did business all over the world with partners, we see commerce. Listen, think about it. In those foreign countries, the U.S. and maybe North America has had big box retailers for many years in place where you could go to a store and get just about anything you want. You go to some of these smaller countries around the world, that doesn't exist. E-commerce is a big way for them to catch up over time.

I think you're going to see those areas continue to grow as consumers in those countries realize they can get their hands on just about anything through a good e-commerce site.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Just the last one from me. Just on baseline. Baseline for the next quarter includes Aljex. Where I think in the past you didn't include acquisitions in baseline, at least initially out of the gate. What's different with Aljex that you felt comfortable giving it in baseline?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Yeah, Paul, I think actually what we've typically done is that when we've done the acquisition well in advance of the quarterly release, we have included it in our baseline as we know about it. We've many times adjusted that date and said as of the date of the acquisition, we knew this much. Just be as clear as we can be about revenue if we know it. We've done that this time. As of February 1, we start our quarter, and we have a feel for the Aljex business, and so we'd rather give a much more consistent, inclusive picture.

Paul Treiber
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thanks for that clarification.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thank you.

Operator

From Scotia Capital, we have Paul Steep. Please go ahead.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Great. Thanks. Ed, could you talk a little bit about, I guess, go-to-market now that you've got MacroPoint and soon we'll have Aljex on the system in terms of broadening it out now that you've got a much stronger road product in North America, how customers have responded and maybe what you've changed in terms of the go-to-market?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Sure. Yeah. We've spent a lot of time with the MacroPoint management team and our sales force trying to figure out exactly how we're going to go out. We know a ton of retailers in this space, and manufacturers that procure full truckload shipments, and how we're going to get in front of them faster and show them what MacroPoint has to offer and get them signed up to the MacroPoint services. I think we're well on our way there. We still got a lot of potential opportunity in the next couple of years, but excited about the prospects that it brings, and we think it's a great offering, and it's a relatively short sales cycle compared to selling something like our transportation management or our routing scheduling tools. It's more something where we go in and tell them about it, and they go, "Wow, that's really great.

How do I get some of that?" We're just trying to educate our salespeople and get them out in front of their customers as quickly as possible, and then get them signed up to contracts and activated and rolled out, so that we can start to see it become a new revenue stream for us.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

What should we think about in terms of expectations, Ed? In your mind, is calendar 2018 really a year of integrate, get everybody acclimatized, 2019 is when you'll start to sort of maybe increase investment behind it? No, do you think we'll go a little faster maybe this year?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

I think we're going to continue as we did in 2018. You're somewhat right. We've spent the first couple of months trying to figure out how to educate everyone on our team about it so they can get out in front of the customers. I think you're going to see us getting out in front of the customers more and getting more customers signed up and then having to get them activated, et cetera, in 2019 and beyond. I don't expect any significant new investment in that business. In fact, we're trying to make that business make more and more money every day like the rest of our network businesses.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Great. Just the last one from me. You commented in your opening remarks about the M&A environment. Other than activity level, obviously picking up a couple of your competitors getting active and buying things, has anything else changed in the environment, Ed, or is it just still more of the same? Thanks.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thanks, Paul. For several years now, we thought there have been a lot of acquisitions, especially on the larger size acquisitions that, in our mind, were overpriced or fully priced. We look at all of them. If we don't believe that those companies are worth what the seller thinks, then we usually back away from them. You have seen us buy, let's say, higher quality assets in the last couple of years and certainly paid for them when we did. I think that's a philosophy we always had. We just saw more of them come available in the last couple of years and jumped on them when we did. MacroPoint was a great acquisition, but it was by our normal standards, expensive. We hope to show people over the coming years that was actually a great price that we paid for that given what we got.

On the day we did it, we were well aware we have a lot to prove to people that that's what's going to happen. We were fully expecting that we would prove that to people.

Paul Steep
Analyst, Scotia Capital

Great. Thank you.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thank you, Paul.

Operator

From Canaccord, we have David Hynes. Please go ahead.

David Hynes
Analyst, Canaccord

Hey. Thanks, guys. Ed, I want to ask a kind of a strategic question. Maybe it's relevant, maybe it's not. We hear folks like IBM talking about blockchain technology in the supply chain. Just curious, how does that flow into the logistics world? Is there stuff that you need to do to ready your products? Just help us think about kind of the puts and takes of that potential evolution.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Sure. We're in the middle of it, right? We're in a bunch of blockchain pilots. I think this is like the 10th standard that's come along over the past 20 years where people said, "This is going to be the new way that everyone does things." What I've seen in the past is it just becomes another way that people need to communicate with each other because not everyone does it. I think blockchain is going to be the same, right? Just think back to XML. If everyone just did XML and we all use the same transaction sets, we'd all communicate seamlessly with each other. Well, that was the promise. That didn't turn out to be the way it worked, right? Some people use XML, some people use traditional EDI, some people use flat files.

One day, some people are going to use blockchain transactions, and they all have to communicate with each other. Yet they're all going to be using different ways to communicate. That's where we come in. We take that data, we put it in a standard format in our network and pass it to someone else in the form and format that they want to load directly into their back office system. I don't think blockchain is going to be any different from that perspective. There'll be people that want to process blockchain transactions, and when they do, we'll be there to help them. I can tell you this about blockchain. It's fairly expensive, right? You looked at Bitcoin and you see. Did you ever look at the There's a little mobile app that shows you the power consumption used to-

David Hynes
Analyst, Canaccord

Yeah

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

to encrypt blockchain ledgers. I think it's now reached the size of the Argentine power consumption, just for the limited blockchain involved in Bitcoin. That's pretty expensive, and you'd have to ask yourself, are you willing to pay the price to 128 bit encrypt a bill of lading because it's expensive? I think the answer to that is going to be probably not.

David Hynes
Analyst, Canaccord

Yeah.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

I could see some places where it might be a more natural fit, like government agencies saying, "Hey, this is the way I'm going to accept these transactions." That type of customs filing transaction may have a need to be more secure. It is also mandated by a government, so if you want to ship into that country, you need to follow their rules so they have a better chance of mandating it. If that is the case, we are going to be there to help our customers do it. Yeah, we see a role for it, just like we saw a role for XML and EDI before that. I could go back and mention 10 different types of standards that came to play in our industry, and I think blockchain is going to be another one of them.

David Hynes
Analyst, Canaccord

Hey, don't show your age on this call.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Yeah. Great.

David Hynes
Analyst, Canaccord

Allan, maybe just a tactical question for you. The change in expensing commissions, how long are those commissions being amortized over, or now, and how did you come to that decision?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Sure. We've done a bunch of work in this area, obviously working with our auditors. It'll be a 5-year period that we amortize the commissions over. That's just a function of life of technology, life of customer relationships. Technology's a lower life or shorter life than our customer relationships, and that's where we ended up.

David Hynes
Analyst, Canaccord

Yep

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Long answer, over 5 years.

David Hynes
Analyst, Canaccord

Yeah. I think that's almost becoming the standard. Awesome. Okay. Well, thanks. Good luck with the show this week, guys.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Hey, thank you, David.

Operator

From Raymond James, we have Steven Li. Please go ahead.

Steven Li
Analyst, Raymond James

Hey, thanks, guys. Hey, Allan, on the deferred commission asset, $2 million-$3 million, that's how much I should think your EBITDA is going to pick up, given there's going to be little amortization in the first quarter?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

No. I think what we're thinking, there'll be a small positive impact to this. Mainly as we amortize this asset or expense this asset into our P&L over the remaining life, we'll have to defer the future commissions or the commissions we pay in Q1 to Q2, et cetera. You should see this asset grow. That number that we've quoted, $2 million-$3 million, is net of the tax impact. As you see that number grow, you would see the impact of what would've been expensed going onto the balance sheet. We think it's going to be a fairly small number. That asset should grow over the next two and a half years or so until we sort of reach a stable level of deferred commissions.

Steven Li
Analyst, Raymond James

In that first quarter, let's say in Q1, you're differing between $2 million-$3 million, then you're not really amortizing much, right? Because you're only starting now. Am I understanding this correctly?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

We will put an asset on the balance sheet. The offset will go to retained earnings, and we will start to amortize that asset in the first quarter.

Steven Li
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. All right.

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Sorry.

Steven Li
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. Ed, on the calibration ratio, your baseline revenues to actual revenues has been in a tight range, 107%, 109%. Does the timing of some of your acquisition throw that ratio off a little bit for Q1, or it should be about the same?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Steven, I'll answer that.

Steven Li
Analyst, Raymond James

Yeah.

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Calibration typically does fall into a fairly tight range. Where you've seen it go off a little bit might be where we close an acquisition in a quarter after our conference call. That can happen. That might drive a number that's 9% or 10. Typically, it falls into a reasonable range. Subject to any future acquisitions this quarter, there's nothing that we would expect to see anything different as far as how we operate the business, and therefore, the range is probably will end up similar.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

It actually may fall into a tighter range than you even imagine, right? The timing of those acquisitions might have made it nine versus seven. Without the acquisition, it might've been an even tighter range.

Steven Li
Analyst, Raymond James

Right. Okay. That helps. Thanks.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thank you, Steven.

Operator

From GMP Securities, we have Ruben Sahakyan. Please go ahead.

Ruben Sahakyan
Analyst, GMP Securities

Hi, guys. Thanks for squeezing in my question. On a more of a macro level, are you seeing any trends in the conversions of logistics and supply chains? Is this impacting you today, and how do you think about it, and how do you prepare for it?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Our mission is, we actually state our mission is to be the global leader in logistics and supply chain technology. We absolutely believe there's a convergence between those two things. You can see it in this e-commerce space completely, right? The e-commerce companies have really combined those two concepts. We've thought about it that way for a long time as well, where we go, "Hey, these are two separate things, but they certainly, over time, I think, are going to work hand in hand." The companies that think of it that way, hopefully our customers, we think are going to take advantage of the companies that don't realize that that's the way it is. We've tried to build technology that helps them manage these processes and hopefully make them the best at it.

Ruben Sahakyan
Analyst, GMP Securities

Perfect. Last question. How do you go about growth in Asia? How do you go about it? Is this something you guys are looking at? What have you seen so far?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

There's a bit of a misnomer in the way we report, because we report where our customers are based and then the revenue that they generate. It looks like a lot of our revenue comes from North America and Europe, where most of the world's large logistics and transportation companies are based, who happen to be our biggest customers. If you look at the shipments that they're processing over our network, they're fairly well distributed between EMEA, Asia, and North America. A lot of the shipments are coming in and out of Asia, because that's a low-cost manufacturing center. From our perspective, we already have a lot of business in Asia. We do. Our customers are moving shipments every day in and out of Asia. That's why they're using our network. You see this, there were a couple acquisitions over the past few years in Asia.

I think, as we get more of a footprint there on the ground, you'll see us do more. The fact of the matter is, most of the world's logistics and transportation companies are not based in Asia. There's a much higher percentage based in North America and Europe. That's why you see our revenue numbers reported that way, because that's where the customers are based, they're headquartered, and that's where we report their revenue.

Ruben Sahakyan
Analyst, GMP Securities

Perfect. That's helpful. That's it for me.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Great. Thanks, Ruben.

Operator

From CIBC, we have Stephanie Price. Please go ahead.

Stephanie Price
Analyst, CIBC

Hi.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Hey, Stephanie. How you doing?

Stephanie Price
Analyst, CIBC

Hey, I'm good, thanks. You had mentioned early customer synergies with MacroPoint in your prepared remarks. Could you elaborate a bit on that and talk a bit about what you're seeing in the sales cycle there?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Sure. When we bought MacroPoint, they had a real push on to go out and sell big retailers and manufacturers who had full truckload move. They had captured the market for freight brokers and 3PLs, who were the largest, let's say, customer base for transportation tracking transactions, because they were going out and selling to a lot of retailers and manufacturers. If you want to get a lot of retailers at once, you go sell a freight broker who's got 500 different retailers already doing business with him. MacroPoint saw an opportunity with the largest retailers and manufacturers who may not use freight brokers as much, and they do a lot of their own purchase transportation.

As Descartes was buying them or really convincing them to sell MacroPoint to us, we were pointing out, "Hey, we know these guys already." We already do business with a number of these retailers and manufacturers, and in fact, have significant relationships with them. You're spending all this time to get in the door at a big retailer. We're already doing business with them and have a significant relationship with them. Would think we could get in there faster. That's going very well for us right now. We've established a bunch of new relationships, and I think we'll see a lot more of that in the coming years.

Stephanie Price
Analyst, CIBC

Great, thanks. Could you also talk a bit about your optimal capital structure at this point?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

As far as capital structure, as we said, the end of the year, net debt, $1.9 million. We will never feel that we will get excessive with debt, but we'd feel comfortable up to 2, and in certain conditions, up to 3 times debt to EBITDA, so that wouldn't fuss us. We have a cash flow generating business, as we buy, and as you saw with the MacroPoint acquisition, we buy, we borrow $80 million. In five and a half months, we've repaid $43 of that. That typical sort of use of a credit line is how we would look at it. We've said many times, I think, our first choice to deploy capital, our only need for capital is really for acquisitions. Our first choice is out of existing cash flow.

Our second choice is, and third choice is also out of existing cash flow, but we will use some level of debt. Any transactions that were bigger than that, as Ed mentioned, we have a shelf prospectus. We wouldn't hesitate to go out and raise additional capital for deals that outstrip our existing cash flow and our debt capacity.

Stephanie Price
Analyst, CIBC

Great. Thanks very much.

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Did that answer your question?

Stephanie Price
Analyst, CIBC

It did. That's perfect. Thanks.

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Thanks.

Operator

From Echelon Wealth Partners, we have Ralph Garcea. Please go ahead.

Ralph Garcea
Analyst, Echelon Wealth Partners

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Just two quick ones. On the CapEx side, the incremental $2 million or $3 million, is that just network build-out or IT systems upgrades on the targets? On the cybersecurity side, again, is that for the GLN network or for some of your latest acquisitions?

Allan Brett
CFO, Descartes Systems Group

Yeah, our CapEx is we're not capital intensive, Ralph. $6 million-$8 million of CapEx is a reasonable range. It's slightly higher than last year. It'll be more of the same of what we've been doing. We run a network. We take the security of that network extremely seriously. We spend a lot of effort, and we spend dollars there, and that'll be part of where we spend our dollars. Other than being slightly higher on the CapEx because we run now a slightly bigger business, and we integrate these acquisitions and want to make sure that security over their networks is up to the same level as ours. There's no change in how we're operating and looking at cybersecurity or CapEx.

Ralph Garcea
Analyst, Echelon Wealth Partners

Okay. On the M&A side, would you look at strategic alternatives in the U.S. to sort of hedge against whatever happens on the macro side? With regards to Europe, do you look at stuff in the U.K. or on the continent, depending on what happens with Brexit and where trade flows go?

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

I don't think we spend a ton of time thinking about it from that perspective. From where are we going to acquire because of some rule that's changing. We think about those rules changing and its impact on our business, but probably not particularly going after individual acquisitions based on it. I don't know if we think that would be prudent or not. When we're going out to buy companies, we're trying to buy good companies that have recurring revenue, that make money, that are growing, that we think are going to be good fits on our network. If those things are all true, we're interested in buying it. Now we'll look at these kind of macroeconomic trends that you're talking about and see if they have any positive or negative impact on them.

I think our thesis more revolves around whether we think this is a good business and whether we think it's a good fit for our network. Lastly, do we think it's going to be a good business going forward given the macroeconomic trends that are going on? Look, these things could all change a couple of years from now, right? We're talking about tariffs and trade tariffs right now and potential trade wars. That could all change depending on who runs each country, and those things tend to get decided every couple of years. I don't think you'll see us executing acquisitions based on that.

Ralph Garcea
Analyst, Echelon Wealth Partners

Okay. Thank you.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Thank you, Ralph.

Operator

Thank you. We will now turn it to Scott Pagan for closing remarks.

Ed Ryan
CEO, Descartes Systems Group

Hey, guys, it's Ed Ryan. Thanks for joining the call today. We look forward to reporting back to you in a couple of months on next quarter. Have a great day.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you for joining. You may now disconnect.