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Earnings Call: Q3 2022

Nov 8, 2022

Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Finning International Inc. third quarter 2022 investor call and webcast. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Analysts who wish to join the question queue may press star then one on their telephone keypad. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may signal an operator by pressing star and zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Amanda Hobson, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasury. Please go ahead.

Amanda Hobson
Senior VP of Investor Relations and Treasury, Finning International

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Finning's third quarter earnings call. Joining me on today's call are Scott Thomson, President and CEO, for his last call today, Kevin Parkes, EVP and COO, who will succeed Scott as President and CEO, and Greg Palaschuk, our EVP and CFO. Following our remarks today, we will open the line to questions. This call is being webcast on finning.com. We have also provided a set of slides that we will reference during our prepared remarks. The slides are posted on the investor relations section of our website. You can also be able to view the slides on our webcast page. An audio file of this call and the accompanying presentation will be archived on our website. Before I turn it over to Scott, I want to remind everyone that some of the statements provided during this call are forward-looking.

Please refer to slides 11 and 12 for important disclosures about forward-looking information, as well as currency and specified financial measures, including non-GAAP financial measures. Please note that forward-looking information is subject to risks, uncertainties, and other factors as discussed in our annual information form under Key Business Risks and in our MD&A under Risk Factors and Management and forward-looking information disclaimer. Please treat this information with caution as our actual results could differ materially from current expectations. Scott, over to you.

Scott Thomson
President and CEO, Finning International

Thank you, Amanda, and good morning, everyone. It has been an honor to lead the Finning organization over the last nine years. From the beginning, my approach has been to respect Finning's great history and culture, invest in people and technology, and advance sustainability initiatives that will position Finning for long-term success in a rapidly changing world. During the last decade, our global teams have navigated through some challenging times, including volatile business cycles, political and social uncertainty, and the global pandemic. Despite these challenges, we have surpassed our performance records in many important areas, including product support revenue, profitability, and earnings per share. Please turn to slide two. I could not be prouder of our global team's outstanding execution of our strategic priorities.

We continue to drive strong growth in our product support business with Q3 product support revenue up 30% year-over-year to a record CAD 1.2 billion. We have significantly improved our cost structure and are proactively managing inflationary pressures. Our Q3 SG&A as a percentage of net revenue was 16.7%, the lowest on record. We have significantly expanded our earnings capacity, delivering record EPS of CAD 3 over the last four quarters and return on invested capital above 18%, including a record of 23% in South America. Together with Caterpillar, we have built a leadership position in many of the world's most technologically advanced projects and collaborations.

Recent examples include the renewal of the entire truck fleet at BHP Escondida with Caterpillar Ultra Class electric drive trucks that establishes a path to progressive implementation of autonomy and zero-emission trucks at the mine. Significant mining deals in Western Canada, including autonomous truck deployment in the oil sands, one of the largest autonomous sites in the world. HS2 equipment packages in the U.K., where we captured 40% of the total industry opportunity for phase 1 of this railway project. Partnering with our oil and gas customers in Western Canada to reduce emissions with Cat Dynamic Gas Blending engines that allow for up to 85% diesel displacement with natural gas and up to 20% hydrogen blend. We have delivered record results in Q3, and I have great confidence in the future success of this world-class team under Kevin's leadership. Please turn to slide 3.

As we announced in September, Kevin Parkes, who is currently EVP & COO, will assume the role of President & CEO on November 16th. Kevin has demonstrated outstanding vision and leadership since joining Finning more than 25 years ago. His strategic thinking, customer-centric mindset, focus on operational excellence, and leadership skills will serve Finning well in the years ahead. Kevin's appointment concluded a thoughtful and comprehensive succession planning process that the board had been engaged in for some time and highlights the strength and depth of Finning's leadership team. We are fortunate to have exceptionally talented and versatile people working for Finning, and we will continue to develop our leaders. Finally, this is my last quarterly call as Finning's CEO, and I wanted to express my sincere gratitude to our shareholders, analysts, and all of you listening to our earnings calls.

I've greatly enjoyed our conversations and your thoughtful questions about Finning's business. I will now hand it over to Kevin, who will provide an update on our operational performance and market environment, as well as share his thoughts going forward as he takes over the CEO role.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Thank you, Scott, and good morning, everyone. First, I would like to thank Scott for his leadership, vision, and mentorship. Under his leadership, we have strengthened the capabilities across our organization, building a great foundation for our continued success. I am honored and proud to take on the leadership of Finning, and I look forward to working with our outstanding employees, partnering with Caterpillar to deliver some great support to our customers and strong returns for our shareholders. If I can ask you to turn to slide four. We are very pleased with the exceptionally strong performance in the third quarter. Our employees continue to work safely and collaboratively with our customers in a challenging but encouraging environment. We entered the quarter with good inventory levels, and we're able to capitalize on continued momentum in our end markets to meet growing customer demands.

We are demonstrating consistently strong execution of our strategic plans, proactively managing our supply chain and improving our earnings capacity. We expect demand conditions to remain healthy across most of our end markets, supported by constructive commodity prices, significant backlog of large projects across all of our regions, and high machine utilization rates. Our customers are making commitments into 2023 and beyond, and we continue to win strategically important business in a tight supply environment. This is resulting in equipment backlog reaching CAD 2.5 billion in September. We expect to deliver the majority of these orders in 2023. We continue to execute our product support growth strategy, which is closely aligned with Caterpillar. We are very pleased with the growth trajectory and significant momentum we are seeing in our product support business levels. This includes great success in the construction space across all regions.

Our outlook for product support remains robust. We have been successful in recruiting technicians while being thoughtful in hiring to build capacity around our triple R network while driving improvements in labor productivity and service quality. While demand conditions remain healthy, we are mindful of the impact of inflation and higher interest rates on our customers, particularly in the construction sector. Despite the high inflationary environment, we are demonstrating operating leverage by reinforcing our mid-cycle operating cost model and capital discipline. This has enabled us to achieve breakthrough earnings and significantly higher return on invested capital, especially in South America. Looking ahead, there are a number of reasons we feel confident we will finish the year strongly and continue that momentum into 2023. Firstly, we've built significantly high-quality backlog that supports our new equipment sales throughout next year.

Second, our aftermarket execution has been gaining momentum, and we have further opportunities to drive aftermarket share gains, especially in construction. In addition, we are taking those learnings from the construction sector and applying them to the mining sector with some early indications of success. Thirdly, supportive commodity prices and improved capital budgets will drive an increased investment in growth for our customers, and we expect that to continue in both Canada and Chile for 2023 and beyond. Finally, as we continue to operate with our mid-cycle discipline to our cost and capital structure, I'm confident we'll just continue to demonstrate improved performance through all stages of the economic cycle. With that, I'll turn it over to Greg.

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Thank you, Kevin. I'll provide more details on our performance in the third quarter and talk about our regional highlights and outlook. Our consolidated third quarter results are summarized on slide 5. Net revenue of CAD 2.1 billion was up 20% from Q3 2021. The strong momentum in business activity across all regions, which exceeded our expectations in the quarter. Successful execution of our product support growth strategy, supply chain management, and cost discipline drove record profitability and earnings in the third quarter. EBIT as a percent of net revenue was 12% in both Canada and South America and 6% in the U.K. and Ireland. EPS of CAD 0.97 was up 59% from Q3 2021. We have built a strong backlog for next year, driven by mining wins and the notable increase in power systems orders.

Slide 6 shows changes in our net revenue by line of business compared to Q3 2021, as well as some details on our equipment backlog. New equipment sales were up 8%, driven by mining deliveries in Canada and construction deliveries in the U.K., including HS2. Demand for rental and used equipment was robust in the third quarter, and rental utilization rates were high, reflecting a continued tight supply environment. Product support revenue was up 30%, driven by strong market activity and execution of our product support growth strategy, including supplier cost pass-through. Consolidated equipment backlog was CAD 2.5 billion at September 30, that's up 16% from June 30 and 56% from September 30, 2021. Order intake was up 25% in Q2. Mining orders are now comprised over 40% of the backlog, compared to less than 30% a year ago.

We're also seeing increased demand for our Power Systems business in all regions, particularly in Canada, but also of note in Chile, where we're very pleased to receive our first order for a new large-scale data center in Chile with a long-term global customer. Please turn to slide 7. We continued to deliver strong year-over-year growth and profitability. Gross profit was up 25%, with an increase in gross profit margin driven primarily by higher proportion of product support in the revenue mix. SG&A increased by 13% due to workforce additions and higher variable cost of support revenue growth and service levels.

SG&A, as a % of net revenue, decreased by 110 basis points to 16.7%, our lowest % on record, reflecting proactive cost management and productivity gains. We've made significant progress in improving our productivity across people, facilities, and supply chain areas by delivering on plans we set out at our 2021 investor day, including deployment of the triple R model, warehouse and back-office consolidation, and procurement spend management. In addition, successful execution of our cost of sales initiatives also played a key role. While you may see more clearly the improvements in SG&A through that line item, we've had an equal number of initiatives focused on improving cost of goods sold and is helping to drive our strong operating leverage as well.

When we look back at our adjusted Q3 2019 results, our Q3 2022 net revenue was about CAD 300 million or 16% higher, mostly due to higher product support, yet our SG&A increased by only CAD 20 million or 6% despite the highly inflationary environment. This has helped us double our EPS and improve return on invested capital by 610 basis points from pre-pandemic levels. Slide 8 summarizes our Canadian results and outlook. Net revenue increased by 33% from Q3 2021, with higher revenue across all sectors and lines of business driven by strong market conditions in Western Canada. Product support revenue was up 32% on higher spending in mining, strong demand in construction, and successful execution of our product support growth strategy. New equipment sales were up by 52%, driven primarily by deliveries in the oil sands.

EBIT as a percentage of net revenue was 11.7%, up 130 basis points from Q3 of last year, driven by improved operating leverage from productivity initiatives. Our outlook for the Canadian business is positive. Canada's equipment backlog increased by approximately 25% from June 30, reflecting broad-based strength in order intake. We expect commodity prices to remain constructive and improved capital budgets to drive investment in renewal of aging fleets and product support opportunities in the mining sector. This quarter's backlog included two significant mining orders for delivery in 2023. In construction and power systems, public and private sector investment in infrastructure and energy should continue to support robust activity. Our order intake was up 25% in construction and triple in power systems compared to Q2 of 2022. Please turn to slide 9 for our results in South America.

Net revenue increased by 5% in functional currency from Q3 2021, as growth in product support was partially offset by lower new equipment sales. Product support revenue was up 24% in functional currency, largely driven by strong demand in Chilean mining. After slowing growth in product support revenue in Q2 due to supply constraints, we were able to catch up during Q3. New equipment sales were down 23% in functional currency from Q3 2021. Construction activity has slowed, impacted by higher equipment prices, a weaker Chilean peso, and higher interest rates, prompting some customers to postpone purchase decisions. Lower mining equipment sales compared to Q3 2021 were due to supply constraints impacting the timing of backlog deliveries, significant deliveries to Chilean mining customers in Q3 of last year.

South America's EBIT as a percentage of net revenue was 12.3%, up 310 basis points from Q3 of 2021, driven by the shift in revenue mix to product support, improved cost structure, and the favorable impact of the Chilean peso devaluation. Going forward, we expect significant mining deliveries in Chile from our recent wins with BHP and Codelco, as well as committed medium-term investments in fleet replacements across mining customer base. We also expect to see continued strong demand for mining product support technology solutions, including autonomy. South America's equipment backlog increased by approximately 25% in functional currency from June 30, driven by strong order intake in mining, including 798 electric drive trucks for delivery to BHP Escondida in 2023 as part of the agreement we announced with BHP and Caterpillar in late August.

Over the next 10 years, we will replace BHP's entire haul truck fleet at the Escondida mine, one of the industry's largest fleets, currently comprised of over 160 haul trucks, with new Caterpillar 798 AC electric drive haul trucks. The new electric drive trucks will feature technology that delivers significant improvements in material moving capacity, efficiency, reliability, and safety. The agreements allow BHP to accelerate the implementation of its autonomy plans by transitioning the fleet to include technology that enables autonomous operation. In addition, the agreement sets forth a path for BHP to meet its decarbonization goals through the progressive implementation of zero-emission trucks. Currently, we have less than 20% of the total BHP order in backlog for 2023 delivery. We will also provide technical support for the new fleet through our integrated knowledge center in Antofagasta.

Our long-term outlook for copper mining in Chile remains constructive. We expect Chile will remain an attractive place to invest as electrification trends drive global growth and demand for copper. We continue to monitor the constitutional reform process closely. We are also actively monitoring the process for approval of the proposed revised mining royalty framework. We are encouraged by the moderation that was recently announced by the Chilean government. We expect the timing of investment decisions related to greenfield and new field expansion projects will remain uncertain till the new proposal is finalized and approved. Construction activity in Chile is expected to remain soft due to rising interest rates and the weakening peso. However, mining contractors remain busy, and we continue to see significant quoting and order intake activity from this customer segment. I'm now turning to the U.K. and Ireland on slide 10.

New equipment sales were up 19% in functional currency from Q3 2021, driven by HS2 deliveries and strong demand in the construction sector. Product support revenue is up 38% in functional currency, reflecting robust construction machine utilization as well as the contribution from Hydraquip. We are pleased with EBIT performance in the U.K. and Ireland. EBIT as a percentage of net revenue is up 60 basis points to 6.2%, reflecting structural profitability improvements and the positive financial impact from the acquisition of Hydraquip. Given softening macroeconomic conditions in the U.K., we expect construction activity to moderate in 2023. However, demand for our power systems business in the U.K. and Ireland is expected to remain robust, especially in the data center market. We will continue delivering equipment to HS2, and we have a strong backlog of power system projects for delivery into 2023.

We expect high machine utilization hours and the addition of Hydraquip to continue driving solid product support activity in the U.K.. Our balance sheet remains healthy, with net debt to adjusted EBITDA at 1.8 times at the end of September. We generated significant free cash flow in September and expect strong free cash flow in Q4 2022. However, due to potential shifts in supply and delivery schedules, free cash flow may not be positive for the full year. We continue to demonstrate strong execution and expansion of our earnings capacity in the third quarter. We expect significant mining new equipment deliveries in Chile and Canada in the fourth quarter. We have built a high quality backlog for next year. We're closely monitoring leading indicators and proactively managing risks.

As we continue to deliver our equipment backlog, execute our product support growth strategy, and operate with cost and capital discipline, we expect to finish the year strongly, continuing that momentum into 2023. Operator, I'll now turn the call back to you for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We may now begin the question-answer session. Analysts who wish to join the question queue may press star then one on their telephone keypad. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. We will pause for a moment as callers join the queue. The first question comes from Yuri Lynk with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst in Capital Goods, Canaccord Genuity

Thank you. First, I'd like to wish Scott all the best in his new role and congratulate him for a job well done at Finning.

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Thanks, Yuri. Much appreciated.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst in Capital Goods, Canaccord Genuity

Yeah. No problem. I don't know who wants to take this one, but just on product support, very strong in Canada and South America in the quarter. It even increased sequentially, which is not the typical seasonal pattern we see. Is there anything? Was any demand pulled forward in the quarter? Or, you know, would you view this as a sustainable level to kinda reset our models going forward from here?

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Yeah, Yuri, thanks. It's Greg. Yeah, we're really pleased with the level of product support activity, obviously within the quarter. There was an element of actual, you know, pushback from Q2. As we highlighted last quarter, you know, there's quite a bit of inventory on boats in Chile. Actually, we saw about a 30-day increase or 30-day improvement in time on ships during the 90 days within the quarter. That helped have some more inventory arrive, and we were able to catch up some of the demand that was in Q2 that we fulfilled in Q3. That was helpful. Canada is a very broad-based demand across each sector.

It was actually, you know, the theme previously had been construction above mining in terms of growth rates, and they were roughly on parity for the quarter. We're seeing really good demand coming from the mining sector. It's a combination of having supply, which I think we've managed quite well and seeing some improvements there within the quarter, but also just demand being, you know, a little higher than we expected. You highlight, you know, a little more than you'd see in a typical Q3. Pleased with that. I think some of it's strategy, some of it's supply, but, you know, demand is just continues to be strong. Of course, we're looking at the leading indicators, but that looks to be the continued trend at the moment.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst in Capital Goods, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. That additional color is helpful. Second question, just given the size of the backlog here, can you help us at all with the cadence of conversion to revenue in 2023? Just confirm, I think I heard that the bulk of it will be delivered next year.

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Yeah. It's a pretty solid backlog. We're pleased with that. Of course, we're gonna be very busy in Q4 delivering as much of it as we can, putting as much through the workshops and into customers' hands as we can. Through 2023, it's pretty balanced. Most of the backlog that we added from last quarter was for the second half. BHP would be included in that, but a couple of other Canadian mining orders. It's pretty balanced. It's mature on the one hand, but most of the add that you saw between this and the last quarter will be for the second half. It's as good a backlog as we've obviously ever had, but particularly to start a year. Pretty pleased.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Yuri, I'll just add to that we're, you know, being very, very disciplined about how we manage that backlog through the system and making sure that we're not adding to peak capacity in terms of technician capability, making sure we're using, you know, contractors as well to help us manage the execution of that backlog. You can expect that, as Greg says, to be a consistent flow through the course of next year.

Yuri Lynk
Managing Director and Equity Research Analyst in Capital Goods, Canaccord Genuity

Okay. Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Jacob Bout with CIBC. Please go ahead.

Jacob Bout
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, CIBC World Markets

Good morning. Maybe I'll just start off and congratulate Kevin on his new appointment as CEO and best of luck to you in your new endeavors there, Scott. Maybe just start off you talk about, you know, what your first priorities are in areas of focus.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Yeah, sure. Thank you for your kind comments there. My immediate priorities are. I mean, succession is a gift. Let's say that first, you know. I feel very blessed and happy to be asked to take on this really important role. Thanks, Scott and the board for their thoughtful succession process. My immediate priorities are to help the organization through that succession process. You know, it is a gift we have. You know, we should welcome and to embrace the stability that it gives us. But we'll still need to manage our employees. They'll have lots of questions and concerns, so spending a lot of time talking to all stakeholders about the transition and what's on their mind. You know, really, you know, switch back into execution.

We've got a strong Q4 to deliver, and we need to make sure we're effectively pulling all of our resources in the right way to execute on that backlog delivery, but also to continue to support our customers through, you know, what is a challenging but encouraging environment right now. We need to double down on our aftermarket growth share opportunities, as I mentioned in my remarks. You know, we're extremely happy with the progress we've made in construction equipment. We're seeing very early signs of some of those initiatives really starting to take hold in the mining sector as well. It's not just from mining activity that's driving that. There's a new focus and a new approach there.

Maintaining the mid-cycle operating model, cost and capital discipline. You know, we are very pleased with our performance and our results. It would be easy to get carried away with that. You know, it's tough for our employees at times to manage through this challenging environment, but we should all be happy with the activity levels and find ways to manage through that without whilst maintaining that cost and capital discipline through the cycle. Finally, of course, for you know, that will result in free cash flow generation. Very important that we sell through this inventory in the appropriate way and timing and we generate our free cash flow as we move through the end of this year and into next year.

Jacob Bout
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, CIBC World Markets

Thank you for that. Maybe my second question just on this large data center project in Chile. I think you said that was a first of its kind. Maybe just talk through how big of an opportunity is this? I know that you have done some of this in the U.K., but how big of an opportunity is this both in Canada and in South America?

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Yeah. We're really pleased. I mean, obviously, the first data center is always an important one, and it's with a customer we've dealt with for a long time with a great relationship. We're pleased. It is their first as well, but they're looking at multiple phases. There's been some small scale data center business the team's worked on, but this is kind of stepping into more of the types of projects that we do in Dublin and London area. Really pleased. It's the first one. It is multi-phase. It's a bit of a starter kit. We'll have to see where the trends go. We're really encouraged and pleased to win that sort of business.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Very important to note there that, you know, our U.K. team that have kind of been the pioneers of this for our business and certainly, you know, they've extended their execution beyond the U.K. geography. They've delivered over 70 projects over the last few years and over a gigawatt of capacity. They're collaborating really well with people, U.K. team in Chile, supporting our South American colleagues to execute this really well.

Jacob Bout
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, CIBC World Markets

Is there opportunity in Canada to be doing the same thing there?

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Yeah, there's some smaller scale in Canada as well. The climate isn't quite as supportive. But there definitely is activity with the kind of bigger telecom companies. Wouldn't be as high a percent, obviously, as the U.K. or the potential in Chile.

Jacob Bout
Managing Director and Senior Equity Analyst, CIBC World Markets

Great. Thank you.

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Thanks, Jacob.

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Doumet with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Michael Doumet
Equity Research Analyst in Diversified Industrials, Scotiabank

Hey, good morning, guys.

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Morning, Michael.

Michael Doumet
Equity Research Analyst in Diversified Industrials, Scotiabank

I can follow up on the product support side. Hey, good morning. You know, putting aside maybe the catch up in South America, what's the confidence level that you can achieve that, you know, that Investor Day 5%-9% growth on top of these, you know, very strong numbers? Can you give us a sense or maybe some examples of the applied learnings in construction that you're applying to mining.

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Yeah, for sure. You know, of course, when we did the Investor Day in June of 2021, you know, the inflation assumption we'd put in was 1%-2%. We have to adjust for kind of current inflation levels. Obviously, price increases have been in double digits this year. That's played a factor. In terms of fundamental volumes, I think we're driving above the 5%-8%. You know, that's still a level that we wanna continue to look to grow the business, grow share and keep compounding. That's our goal. Obviously, it's a really supportive market right now. All of our ambitions are the same.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Yeah. I would just add, Michael, that, you know, there's key learnings around how you approach rebuilds. Some miners have been early adopters of rebuilds. We've seen a growing trend in that regard. You know, some of that is, you know, supply chain driven. Some of it is, you know, thinking about how you manage the energy transition moving forward. I think the key thing there is appetite and being really hungry for where you're losing. You know, we clearly understand in construction where we're not winning in the aftermarket business. You know, we've always had a really strong market share in mining, but we don't win everything. Being really hungry about winning everything is really important.

You know, attaching that, those locking and winning those lost areas and driving absolute loyalty with our mining customers is critical. Making sure we attract all aspects of their product support business, you know, by attaching loyalty and incentives around that is a key to that as well.

Michael Doumet
Equity Research Analyst in Diversified Industrials, Scotiabank

That's great color. Thanks. Greg, just trying to think about your comments on operating with mid-cycle approach on costs and capital. I mean, is that to say that you're managing costs maybe with a different mix in terms of variable versus fixed with the view of kinda like a medium term? Just a little bit of color there for a better understanding.

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Yeah, absolutely. You know, it is part about having a higher variable cost base. Part of it is being proactive and just keeping an eye out for the next part of the cycle. As Kevin highlighted, you know, we're using some contractors in places where we would've previously added full-time employees. That would be an example of trying to manage the cycle more proactively. Across the business, we're constantly looking for ways that we can variabilize more costs. I think we've been fairly successful in that. It includes, you know, some of the compensation incentives and those sorts of things. Triple R model, I think is, you know, the perfect example.

We're trying to put capabilities in the right places to stay busy through the cycle and, you know, work through shifts rather than building more facilities, to add capacity. You know, in that model, in theory, you'd wanna have triple shift at the peak of the market and single shift at the bottom as an example. We're really trying to put that in place so that we can be more variable through the cycle. At this point we're certainly making sure we manage our growth very responsible or responsibly watching leading indicators. We've got a lot of momentum and, we're trying to balance those two off.

Michael Doumet
Equity Research Analyst in Diversified Industrials, Scotiabank

That's great. Lastly, obviously, congratulations, Kevin and Scott. Obviously well done, and I'll see you around.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Thank you.

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Thanks, Michael.

Operator

The next question comes from Sabahat Khan with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Sabahat Khan
Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

All right, great. Thanks. Just wanted some color on the Canadian construction market and what's kinda keeping that going versus the other two. Is it, you know, is it the infrastructure investment being made in Western Canada, or is it more, the macro situation in Canada versus the U.K. or Chile?

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Yeah. From a Canada perspective, I mean, it's pretty broad-based. I mean, you've got two large scale pipelines headed down the home stretch. You've got a lot of infrastructure projects that were sanctioned at the beginning of COVID that are partially the way through. Then just given how well commodities are performing, each of the governments are kind of in a surprise surplus position with elections coming up in the next couple of years. Looking at another set of infrastructure. It's pretty broad based. You know, customers aren't immune to higher interest rates and some of the other pressures. You know, very solid, including more oil field service activity, which, you know, that brings in construction for a component as well. It's just a pretty solid environment.

Sabahat Khan
Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Are you finding the other construction customers are maybe in other regions are going more to maybe product support? Are they taking a bit of a pause? Just kind of what's sort of their reaction to kind of the current backdrop? Is it just a pause on new equipment? Kind of what are you seeing in terms of feedback from them in terms of demand?

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Yeah, I would say, you know, Sabahat, it's Kevin here. As Greg mentioned in his remarks, you know, in Chile, there's no doubt we're seeing a slowdown in construction activity there given inflation and the devaluing currency. It's a smaller part of our business in Chile, but you know that there's clearly signs of that occurring, and that isn't a switch to product support, that's just a more broader slowdown in construction activity. In the U.K., we've done a lot of work on this. You know, we use the U.K. as our kind of watchtower, I guess, our forward-looking business into what's happening, you know, in Europe.

I would say that in the second quarter, you know, there was a. I'd call it more of a stuttering and a wait and see kind of environment. Order intake has been better in Q3 than it was in Q2 in the U.K.. We saw some decisions being shifted later in the year. Typically, orders would be placed in the first two quarters in the U.K.. We've seen that shift to the right a little. I'm relatively encouraged with the order intake during Q3, been personally involved in some of the conversations and, you know, there is still a tight supply environment which customers are being very mindful of and a high inflationary environment. Equipment, you know, in next year will cost more than equipment this year.

Customers are thinking about that as they manage through their supply decisions. They're talking to their own clients about that. I'd say encouraging sentiment from the U.K. actually from a construction perspective, but being very mindful and watching the dynamics there as I'm sure you will see, they're changing pretty fast.

Sabahat Khan
Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, great. It sounds like the mining environment is still good in Chile. Have you seen any change in tone, maybe more positive as some of the constitution reform is kinda going on, or are people still waiting for kind of a final decision on that before moving forward with any big investment? Or has, you know, kind of the recent vote against it and some of the other royalty changes, has that made people a bit more optimistic? Are they getting more active with investment? Just what are some of the discussions on the mining front in Chile?

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Yeah, I mean, there's been a pretty steady flow, as you can see, of order intake quarter to quarter despite some of the uncertainty. You know, absolutely there's some of the more formal moderation publicly, I think has encouraged customers. There's still discussions ongoing on the moderation. You know, I think there's some encouragement there, but the process will take some time still to play out. Still solid activity levels and good order intakes. For some of the bigger decisions to be made, you kinda have to have that agreement finalized in place and stability agreements negotiated. That'll continue to take some time. We're really encouraged with, you know, Teck QB2 is ramping up to first production. We're getting ready. We're continuing to deliver units to Codelco and getting ready for BHP.

We're pretty busy and pretty pleased with the environment regardless, and that gives us some more encouragement about the next leg growth.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

The only thing I would add to that, Sab, is, you know, that's the current situation. You know, longer term, our advice and our customer conversations, you know, reinforce that the long-term outlook for copper in Chile is still very robust.

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Great. Thanks very much for that.

Sabahat Khan
Equity Research Analyst and Managing Director, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks Kevin.

Operator

The next question comes from Devin Dodge with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Devin Dodge
Director of Equity Research in Industrials, BMO Capital Markets

Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to come back to one of the earlier questions from Yuri, but just trying to see if you can give us or help us understand where you saw the most outperformance in Q3 versus your prior guidance. You know, I think everyone on the call here appreciates that you're, you know, you're looking to guide conservatively, but when your results surpass the updated guidance by, you know, such a wide margin and so soon after you provided it, I'm just not sure if you get full credit. Any thoughts there?

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Yeah, sure. I mean, it was a solid quarter. You know, we saw supply a bit better than we thought. Demand in each region was higher than we thought. There were some mid-year price increases that went through the system and there was still continued very strong demand, which we thought there might be a little bit of softening given that. Then it's all three regions at the same time and some of the upsides, you know, we captured within the quarter. I guess when you do all those things at the same time and keep costs in check, you know, it works well in this business model. That's the strategy. Sell lots of parts, keep costs low and reinvest to compound and all of that came together in the quarter.

I would say there's probably a little bit of FX help uniquely in each region, a little bit. When you get all those things together, it, you know, drops to the bottom line, and we're pleased with the quarter.

Devin Dodge
Director of Equity Research in Industrials, BMO Capital Markets

Yeah. Okay. Thanks. That's good color. Okay. Second question. ROIC in South America looks at the very top end of the range that was outlined at the investor day. Look, it's a bit of a first class problem here, but is the range too low, or should we expect ROIC to, you know, maybe moderate a little bit going forward?

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

That, you know, that business has got good momentum. They're doing all the building blocks really well. Again, driving product support, keeping costs, you know, well in check. It's done a great job. We continue to see that outlook positive, and we can still see room for improvement

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Yeah. I would say the lever there really, Devin, is around invested capital, working capital sales. That's the major focus. Some of that is the you know, the kind of challenges that we see in the supply chain environment. You know, remember, you know, the bulk of our parts are shipping from Miami down to South America, and there's been some specific challenges which Greg mentioned have improved in Q2, which helped. We still think there's a kink there on IC turns and, you know, some of that is related to the fact that we inventoried up to support our customers.

Some of it is just the unique challenges around the geography which need to have our best minds and our best supply chain capabilities working on that, which they are. Nothing was surprising there. I would say it certainly isn't peak from my perspective.

Devin Dodge
Director of Equity Research in Industrials, BMO Capital Markets

Got it. Okay. Just before I turn it over, I just wanted to say good luck to both, Scott and yourself, Kevin, on the new roles. Thanks.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Appreciate that, Devin.

Operator

The next question comes from Bryan Fast with Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Bryan Fast
Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Yeah, thanks. Good morning. First off, Kevin, congrats on the new role. Scott, all the best going forward.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Thanks, Bryan.

Bryan Fast
Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Just on product support, obviously we're seeing continued strength here. Could you provide some color maybe on rebuilds and how that has trended of late? I guess, are you seeing a shift in how customers view rebuilds, particularly in South America?

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Yeah. You know, for sure, we've had a completely different approach to rebuilds in the last two years, coming out of the pandemic as we've deployed the product support strategy across all three regions. You know, we've already surpassed the annual rebuild total for last year, which was up considerably on the year before. You know, I think the economics and we repositioned the economics around rebuilds to be more compelling. We've increased the capacity and the turnaround capacity of our ability to perform rebuilds, which has encouraged customers to look at them differently. If you overlay that, the tight supply chain environment, that's also been a tailwind, I guess, in terms of driving rebuilds.

We've certainly seen that in South America, particularly from a construction equipment perspective in South America, less so from a mining rebuild perspective. You know, the mining rebuild situation is different in Canada than it is in South America. But we do see a lot of ancillary product rebuilds in South America, but less so around, you know, the major trucks. You know, the general direction of travel is on refresh, as you've seen by the backlog and the deliveries of mining equipment in South America. Some of that relates to their visibility to the pace of the energy transition. Electrification will happen sooner for sure. Not sure when, but it will happen sooner in South America.

That's a part of the thought process for the miners in South America.

Bryan Fast
Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Thanks. That's good color. Nice to see SG&A trending below 17% of revenue. Could you just talk a bit about the warehouse consolidation in Western Canada? Are we now seeing the full benefits in results?

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

The warehouse consolidation is transformational, and the direction of travel and the goal is compelling. I would suggest that we always knew this was gonna be difficult as we, you know, consolidated five warehouses in Edmonton into one. That is going well. I would suggest it's a quarter or maybe two behind where we would like it to be. We're seeing gradual improvements throughout the summer and into the fall here, so we're confident we're on the right track. More work to do, so I wouldn't suggest for a minute we're seeing the full benefits of that right now. In fact, we're still seeing some pressures in that space.

Like I say, we have to just keep looking at the continued improvements, and customers and employees tell me that they're seeing improvements. We're all in it together in terms of delivering this transformation, which will be huge for Canada.

Bryan Fast
Equity Research Analyst, Raymond James

Okay. I appreciate the color. That's it for me.

Operator

Once again, any analyst who has a question may press star then one on their telephone keypad. The next question comes from Maxim Sytchev with National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.

Maxim Sytchev
Managing Director of Research in Industrial Products, National Bank Financial

Hi, good morning. Scott, obviously all the best, and Kevin, welcome. I had a quick question in terms of if it would be possible to quantify the construction headwind that, you know, we could see in maybe 2023. I don't know if you can maybe talk about kind of directionality or percentages maybe, sort of any color there.

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Yeah. It's a situation, Maxim, where, you know, the machine utilization hours are still very high. Some of the order intake as Scott or as Kevin just went through, you know, a bit of a different seasonal pattern, but, you know, there's still a good cadence to order intake. I wouldn't say we could give a percentage of, you know, how much off it would be. But, you know, ultimately, I think you wouldn't see as much growth in the new equipment side next year, but you're probably in a position with the backlog and then mining, where that's more than made up for in the mining space.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Yeah, just be mindful, Max, that, you know, there is, you know, there's been some really heavy deliveries in HS2 in the U.K., you know, which won't repeat. You know, if I look at the top five, you know, our top five customers in the U.K., I would suggest that their order intake or their aspiration or their current demand profile is not dissimilar to what it was this year.

Maxim Sytchev
Managing Director of Research in Industrial Products, National Bank Financial

Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. In terms of, I had a question in terms of the pricing dynamic. I mean, you said that you still push through kind of midyear increases. I'm curious if there's any pushback from, you know, clients, especially as, you know, yen depreciated, you know, recently. Just wondering about the competitive dynamic there. Thanks.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

No. I mean, I think we had a really thoughtful approach to price increases and, you know, we were well prepared. We had good data around us and, you know, we moved quickly to pass through our supplier price increases and the impact of the inflation on other aspects of our business. You know, I would say that, you know, to a large extent, customers have been understanding of that. We've seen similar moves from a competitive perspective in the marketplace. I wouldn't suggest that we've seen an alternative approach because of the valuation at all. You know, I think that we're still in a very inflationary environment across all of our markets, and people appreciate that. As long as you do it transparently and responsibly.

The reality, every conversation Maxim ends with, "Okay, so we accept, you know, prices are increasing, but how do we become more efficient? How do we get more bang for our buck?" That's where we focus our teams on. You know, your price might go from $100 to $110, but how do you spend less? That's super critical for the long-term success of all of our customers.

Maxim Sytchev
Managing Director of Research in Industrial Products, National Bank Financial

Right. Okay. One last question, just in terms of kind of thinking, a bit more about the midterm, directionality. I mean, like what needs to happen? Obviously, I think investors are very pleased with CAD 3 EPS kind of on LTM basis. Like, do you mind maybe discussing a little bit puts and takes to kind of, you know, push it to the next level? Or like, I mean, what needs to happen from like maybe revenue perspective or macro? Just maybe some thoughts on this front. Thank you.

Greg Palaschuk
EVP and CFO, Finning International

Yeah. Overall, I mean, we're really encouraged by the pace and momentum. As we highlighted, we think we'll have a really strong finish to the year, strong start to the year. We already started to build a good backlog for the second half, most of which, you know, the orders within this last quarter were for the second half of next year. We're pleased with that dynamic. You know, there will be, you know, mid-year price increases that are for the full year next year. As long as we continue to have strong momentum in terms of commodity prices and customers with increasing capital budgets, we think we continue to, you know, add momentum.

We're pleased over the last four quarters to get above CAD 3 level, and we think we'll continue to add to that as the market stays supportive.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

You know, Max, I would just add to that, you know, that we see our market expanding as we move into the energy transition, and Caterpillar have spoken to that as well. You know, we're very, very well placed to help customers through the energy transition, whether it be, you know, new equipment or power generation. But, you know, most importantly, we have market share opportunities across so many aspects of our business that we're continued to pursue and have very focused strategies around pursuing that, whether that be, you know, in new equipment population or in the aftermarket space. You know, we are seeing this trend and this greater uptake in rebuilds, particularly in the construction space. We expect that to continue as we move forward.

You know, we're certainly committed to our product support strategy and the growth trajectory that we've previously highlighted, and we see that continuing. I guess the last thing is just the mid-cycle cost and capital discipline. We appreciate for our employees it's tough right now, but we're working hard with them to you know, deploy all of our resources to make sure we deliver for our customers, but we build a sustainable business model because nobody wants to talk about the downside or the trough, and we've committed to our employees that that's the case.

Maxim Sytchev
Managing Director of Research in Industrial Products, National Bank Financial

All right. Okay, that's super helpful. Thank you so much.

Kevin Parkes
EVP and COO, Finning International

Thanks, Max.

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Amanda Hobson for any closing remarks.

Amanda Hobson
Senior VP of Investor Relations and Treasury, Finning International

This concludes our call. Thank you for your participation and have a safe day.

Operator

This concludes the conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.

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