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Earnings Call: Q4 2023

Feb 14, 2024

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to H&R REIT's Q4 2023 conference call. Before beginning the call, H&R would like to remind listeners that certain statements, which may include predictions, conclusions, forecasts, or projections, and the remarks that follow may contain forward-looking information, which reflect their current expectations of management regarding future events and performance, and speak only as of today's date. Forward-looking information requires management to make assumptions or rely on certain material factors, and is subject to inherent risks and uncertainties, and actual results could differ materially from the statements in the forward-looking information. In discussing H&R's financial and operating performance, and in responding to your questions, we may reference certain financial measures which do not have a meaning recognized or standardized under IFRS or Canadian generally accepted accounting principles, and are therefore unlikely to be comparable to similar measures presented by other reporting issuers.

Non-GAAP measures should not be considered as alternatives to net income or comparable metrics determined in accordance with IFRS as indicators of H&R's performance, liquidity, cash flows, and profitability. H&R's management uses these measures to aid in assessing the REIT's underlying performance and provides these additional measures so that investors can do the same. Additional information about the material factors, assumptions, risks, and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the statements in the forward-looking information, and the material factors or assumptions that may have been applied in making such statements, together with details on H&R's use of non-GAAP financial measures, are described in more detail in H&R's public filings, which can be found on H&R's website and www.sedar.com. I would now like to introduce Mr. Tom Hofstedter, Chief Executive Officer of H&R REIT. Please go ahead, Mr. Hofstedter.

Thomas J. Hofstedter
Executive Chairman & CEO, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us today to discuss H&R's fourth quarter and year-end 2023 results. With me on the call are Larry Froom, our Chief Financial Officer, and Emily Watson, Chief Operating Officer of our Lantower division. I'm pleased to report that we have continued to successfully execute on our five-year strategic plan to reposition the portfolio for a more simplified and growth-oriented REIT, as was highlighted in our most recent press release. Since announcing our strategic repositioning plan 2.5 years ago, we have made considerable progress, having successfully completed the spin-off of Primaris REIT, valued at approximately CAD 2.4 billion. We have completed to date the sale of an initial 45 properties, totaling CAD 2.4 billion, with a further CAD 300 million of sales still to close later this year.

We have repurchased to date 27 million units for CAD 340 million, and have decreased our debt from $6.1 billion to approximately $3.7 billion at year-end, thereby improving our debt to total assets from 50% to 44% as at December 31, 2023. Importantly, at year-end 2023, our our total office exposure was reduced to 17% of real estate assets, plus nine additional properties representing a further 7% that are advancing through the rezoning and intensification process. We expect to continue the strong momentum with the announced sale this year of a further CAD 293 million of properties, including the sale for CAD 232 million of 25 Dockside Drive, an office building by the waterfront in downtown Toronto.

Our recent board additions, including Independent Lead Trustee Donald Clow, Lindsay Brand, and Leonard Abramsky, underscore our dedication to effective governance and strategic advancement, and we look forward to working with them to help us achieve our objectives. With that, I'll hand it over to Larry.

Larry Froom
CFO, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. In my comments to follow, references to growth and increases in operating results are in reference to the year ended December 31, 2023, compared to the year ended December 31, 2022. H&R same property net operating income on a cash basis increased by 10.3%. Breaking this growth down between our segments, Lantower, our residential division, led the way with an 18.7% increase or a 14.3% increase in USD. Emily will provide more details on this shortly. Industrial same property NOI on a cash basis increased by 12.5%, driven by rent increases for new and renewed tenants.

The tenants at our two new industrial developments in Mississauga, totaling 336,800 sq ft, took possession this month and will begin paying rent in Q2. Office same property net operating income on a cash basis increased by 5.2%. This increase was largely attributable to these termination payments, bad debt recoveries, and the strengthening US dollar. H&R received lease termination payments from office tenants in 2023, amounting to CAD 5.2 million. CAD 3.4 million of this relates to 6900 Maritz Drive in Mississauga, where the REIT's current 105,000 sq ft office property will be converted into a brand new 122,000 sq ft industrial building. Demolition has already begun, and construction on the new building is expected to begin in the spring.

Lastly, retail same property net operating income on a cash basis increased by 5.7%, primarily driven by increased occupancy at River Landing and the strengthening of the US dollar. Q4 2023's FFO was CAD 0.30 per unit, compared to CAD 0.31 per unit in Q4 2022. FFO for the year ended 2023 was CAD 1.33 per unit, compared to CAD 1.17 per unit for the year ended 2022. Included in FFO for 2023 is CAD 30.6 million of proceeds from the sale of an option to purchase land.

Excluding this item and other non-recurring items such as lease termination fees, FFO would have been CAD 345.4 million for the year ended 2023, or CAD 1.23 a unit, an increase of 3.9% compared to 2022. H&R's cash distributions of CAD 0.70 per unit was 18.6% higher than the cash distributions of CAD 0.59 in 2022. H&R's 2023 payout ratios remained healthy at 52.8% of FFO and 63% of AFFO, notwithstanding the increase in distributions. Net asset value per unit as at December 31, 2023, was CAD 20.75 per unit, a decrease from CAD 21.80 at the end of 2022.

H&R recorded a downward fair value adjustment of CAD 197.6 million for Q4 2023, at the REIT's proportionate share, and the downward fair value adjustment for the year ended December 31, 2023, was CAD 486.1 million at the REIT's proportionate share. Debt to adjusted EBITDA improved from 9.6x at the end of 2022 to 8.5x at the end of 2023. Debt to total assets at the REIT's proportionate share on December 31, 2023, was 44%, unchanged from the end of 2022, and liquidity at December 31, 2023, was in excess of CAD 950 million, with an unencumbered property pool of approximately CAD 4.2 billion.

With that, I will now turn the call over to Emily.

Emily Watson
COO, Lantower Residential, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Good morning. Thank you, Larry. I'm happy to be on the call to discuss our fourth quarter same-store results from our multifamily platform and discuss some operational highlights. Occupancy ended the quarter at 94.6, 72 basis points lower than third quarter and 41 basis points lower when compared to Q4 of 2022. Same-property net operating income from our portfolio in U.S. dollars increased by 12.6% and 14.3%, respectively, for the three months ending on December 31, 2023, and full year 2023, compared to their respective 2022 periods. We continue to see positive signs of demand, with Q4 resident retention at 62% and 94% occupancy in the Sun Belt, and Jackson Park is achieving a 75% retention and 99% occupancy.

Move-outs due to home purchase remain low at 11% and, of total move-outs, and rent-to-income levels remain affordable in the low 20% range, allowing for future headroom for in-rental growth. Lingering high interest rates have maintained the spread between bid and ask prices and continue to constrain the number of trades completed in the fourth quarter. Based on our recent third-party appraisal and a handful of Sun Belt sales comps, we have raised our FMV cap rates by 25 basis points to 5% and believe the rate is appropriate and supported. Cap rates are expected to remain low, relatively speaking, for the institutional quality assets in the Sun Belt, with capital flows interested and focused on long-term, heavy Sun Belt multifamily applications. On the development front, Lantower West Love in Dallas, Texas, is expecting its first TCO, including 75 units in late March.

We are very excited to deliver what we believe is a best-in-class asset with unparalleled amenities. We look forward to commencing pre-leasing later this month. Also in Dallas, Texas, Lantower Midtown has reached floor 5, its top level, in 3 of its 6 turns, and is currently 70% framed. Drywall is ongoing on turns 1 and 2. We are progressing through the different phases of design, drawing, and permitting on the remainder of our Sun Belt development pipeline and expect to receive more building approvals as we progress through the year. On the operational front, we continue to focus on expanding NOI margins through our centralization efforts and value-add opportunities. During the fourth quarter, we installed over 300 private yards with an average amenity charge of $150 and a 59% return on investment.

This investment is focused on increasing the tenure of our residents' stay, thus lowering our costs and increasing effective rent. In summary, the Lantower platform continues to achieve positive results and strong performance relative to our multifamily counterparts. I would like to recognize everyone on the Lantower team for receiving three awards in the fourth quarter: the Emerging Technology Award and Best Places to Work in Multifamily from Multifamily Leadership, as well as Glassdoor's Best Places to Work. These awards exemplify the winning culture that Lantower embodies and is the key reason the team continues to deliver top-tier results. With that, I pass along the conversation to Tom.

Thomas J. Hofstedter
Executive Chairman & CEO, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Operator, you can open up the lines to questions, please.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touchtone phone. You will hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. First question comes from Mario Saric at Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Mario Saric
Managing Director, Real Estate & REITs, Scotiabank

Hi, good morning, and thank you for taking the questions. First question, I may have missed it, but if we exclude 25 Dockside, is there enough visibility for you to provide a target disposition range for 2024?

Larry Froom
CFO, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Good morning, Mario. You know, we provided a target disposition pretty late in the year last year, and to be quite frankly, once we were sure we were gonna be gonna hit that target. So we're not gonna give any target right now. We have two assets that we have on the books, almost totaling CAD 300 million for sale. We've done, you know, CAD 430 million last year and a lot more the year before. We hope to at least achieve those same levels as last year, but we don't want to set any targets right now.

Mario Saric
Managing Director, Real Estate & REITs, Scotiabank

Perfect. Okay. And then, just sticking to potential dispositions, any update on Hess Tower and what you're thinking there?

Good evening. Yeah.

Thomas J. Hofstedter
Executive Chairman & CEO, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Yes. Yeah. Because the merger between Hess and Chevron right now, there's no visibility. First, they have to get beyond their merger and making it a done deal, which my guess is, it's gonna drag a little bit longer because the U.S. government's very concerned. But it will happen, is my guess, and that'll probably happen in June. At this point in time, Hess and Chevron have not made any decisions, honestly, so it's early days. But until there's better clarity, there's nothing that's gonna happen in Hess.

Mario Saric
Managing Director, Real Estate & REITs, Scotiabank

Got it. Okay. And then, Tom, just maybe sticking with you, I think, on the Q3 call, you kind of talked about residential value per buildable in the CAD 200 per sq ft range. It was as high as 325. Where does that stand today?

Matthew Kingston
EVP, Development & Construction, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Hi, Mario, it's Matt Kingston. I think we believe that the values in the GTA are down about 40%-50%, depending on the site. The most recent trade we can point to is First Capital and Woodbourne consummated on a deal at 1071 King West, which is around CAD 210 a foot. I think that's a pretty premium price, though I think, you know, realistically, downtown transit-oriented sites are probably mid to high 100. So somewhere between 150 and 200 a foot, I think is realistic, depending on how good the site is.

Larry Froom
CFO, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

How good and how large the site is.

Matthew Kingston
EVP, Development & Construction, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah.

Larry Froom
CFO, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

There's a discount if it's get up to, you know, 600,000 sq ft.

Mario Saric
Managing Director, Real Estate & REITs, Scotiabank

Right. Okay. No, that makes sense. Then my last question, maybe for Emily, just with respect to Lantower, to the extent that you can, can you discuss 2024 expected same-store revenue, same-store expense, and same-store NOI?

Emily Watson
COO, Lantower Residential, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

You know, we are not gonna give guidance just yet on that. We're really looking at what the market. We do have the lease-up properties or JV deals on the West Coast that are coming into our same-store universe. You know, we expect it to moderate from what we have experienced in the last couple of years. As kind of expected, they've been kind of banner years, but at this point, we're not providing guidance.

Mario Saric
Managing Director, Real Estate & REITs, Scotiabank

Okay. Are you able to kind of give us a sense of where kind of blended lease spreads are going, both kind of on, including renewal and new lease spreads?

Emily Watson
COO, Lantower Residential, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Sure. Yeah, you know, Q4 was really the height of the deliveries in the Sun Belt. So we saw a lot of just the combination of the heavy supply and the holiday season. That definitely had a downward pressure on the new lease trade out, where they were down actually around 6, 7, 8%, I think, actually. But renewals still stayed in that 3%-4% range. So we ended Q4 with a blended range, or blended -3%. But so far in Q1, that we've seen a 160 basis point improvement in Q1 already with our new leases signed. They're still down in that 6% range, but a blend of negative -1%. So definite improvement. Q4, we had, or actually all of 2023, we had about 100,000 units enter our...

the areas that we operate in, with a lot of the merchant builders really having pressure in that Q4 to get heads on beds, if you will, before the season, before the end of the year. Where Q1, we're seeing that pickup, and then we'll continue to see, just going into our peak leasing season, excuse me, in Q2. So, you know, we'll have still some heavy supply delivered in 2024, Mario, but, you know, 75,000 units. So I think we were in the eye of the storm in Q4, and so far we're off to a much better start in Q1.

Mario Saric
Managing Director, Real Estate & REITs, Scotiabank

Great. Okay, and so the expectation for that, Blended Lease Spread, to turn positive, would that be in the second half of the year, or is that something that maybe more of a 25 event?

Emily Watson
COO, Lantower Residential, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

No, I do think that we'll see some pickup, you know, Q3 and Q4. The supply will start to drift off and people kind of settling into that new norm. So I expect that we'll probably end 2024 in a flat position, and then definitely some pickup in 2025 as the market absorbs those units and really the deliveries just fall off a cliff. So, so flat for 2024, and then 2025, we'll—we should be able to kind of get back to the new norm, not the days of 2022 and 2023.

Mario Saric
Managing Director, Real Estate & REITs, Scotiabank

Understood. Okay, thanks for the call. That's it for me.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Jimmy Shan at RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Jimmy Shan
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Thanks. Just sticking to Lantower still.

... How are you thinking NOI margin will run in 2024? We've seen high insurance costs and all that. So how should we be thinking about costs on 2024?

Emily Watson
COO, Lantower Residential, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Great question, Jimmy. You know, I do think that we have concentrated on really focusing on the NOI margins for a while now through our centralization efforts, you know, reducing some of our payroll costs, you know, just economies of scale on our procurement initiatives, certainly adding the value add initiatives that we've added. So insurance costs, I think, won't forever be as elevated as we saw on the increase in 2023. I think some of the reinsurances will open the market. At least coming back from NMHC last week, we had several, you know, kind of hopeful people saying that, that there was gonna be more kind of normal increases next year, not what we saw in 2023. So I think focusing on the NOI margins is definitely one of our strategic positions and has been.

So I don't anticipate our NOI margins to decrease, if anything, edge up just a tad over where we are now.

Jimmy Shan
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. That's helpful. Thanks. And then on, just on the asset sales, I know you don't provide... Maybe just two questions, though. You don't provide any target, but can you characterize the environment today? Is it same, worse, or better? And then the other question on asset sale is, do you have an industrial property held for sale? I, I didn't think you were looking to sell industrial. Maybe, maybe any color on that specific asset that you have for sale there.

Thomas J. Hofstedter
Executive Chairman & CEO, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

So we don't have any industrial properties for sale. On the sale that occurred was really an option the tenant had to buy, so it's really not indicative of market conditions at all. The market today is, I would say, less liquid. It continues to get less liquid and less liquid, both on the debt side and on the equity side. That's why every deal that we're doing is almost an off-market deal. There's no point in putting it on the market. It's really tailor-made to specific buyers that have an asset in mind and or have a use for that asset in mind. It's gonna stay sloppy until interest rates come down, until there's positive leverage. And at that point in time, when the debt markets open up, the equity markets will open up. So it's remained sloppy.

It remains very, very, slow, and again, that's why it's hard for us to give guidance. And none of the properties that we will be selling probably are going to be put on the market. They'll be off-market deals, just like they have been for the past year.

Jimmy Shan
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. And Corus Quay , obviously, this is, you know, the sale was at a really good price. And would there be any other assets that would be similar in the sense that it could be strategic to somebody else or to a different buyer? Anything in the portfolio that would kinda resemble what you were able to achieve with Corus Quay ?

Thomas J. Hofstedter
Executive Chairman & CEO, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

So I think the answer is yes, and it's really gonna be the same as Corus Quay . I'm not gonna give specifics on that, but anywhere there where there's a user coming in, the user market is gonna pay more, obviously, than the investor market. If you look at the industrial, not that we're selling any industrial, but just as a high- to highlight that example, you have in the past few years, small bay, small user-oriented, 50,000-100,000 sq ft or 20,000-100,000 sq ft buildings that went for a substantial premium on a price per square foot basis to their larger counterparts because the users are the buyers.

And I think that's gonna continue, and you can look at any of our buildings and say that there's a potential for a user to come in wanting to buy the real estate. As a user, they'll pay a premium. That's exactly what happened with Corus, and I think there are... I know there are assets that work. I don't want to be specific because I don't want to give anything away, but there are assets that fit that bill still.

Jimmy Shan
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Okay, thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, should you have any questions, please press star one. Next question comes from Sam Damiani at TD Cowen. Please go ahead.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Cowen

Thank you. Good morning. Emily, maybe for you, just on the, on the Lantower, you know, market and Sun Belt there, are you seeing the opportunity for acquisitions getting any more interesting? And if not, do you anticipate that to materialize over the course of 2024?

Emily Watson
COO, Lantower Residential, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

You know, we tracked... Q4 was pretty bleak. We tracked about nine deals that were similar vintage, you know, same kind of footprint as we are, so that was really low. I think we'll pick up some in Q1 and Q2, but when we walked away from NMHC last week, it was really the second part of the year where they were anticipating, you know, as Tom alluded, the interest rates come down a bit and really start to see trades. There's not the distressed market that I think we all hoped there would be, to kind of sweep in and be a, you know, a grave dancer at all. So that really hasn't come to fruition, but if interest rates will play, then, you know, the second half of the year could be really interesting.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Cowen

You mentioned you walked from NMHC . Is that an asset class you're looking to add to the portfolio?

Emily Watson
COO, Lantower Residential, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

No. NMHC is the National Multifamily Housing Council.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Cowen

Oh, okay. My mistake.

Emily Watson
COO, Lantower Residential, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Yes. No worries.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Cowen

Yeah, and last question for me, maybe for you, Tom. On the dispositions, I know you're not providing guidance, but, is the priority still office over retail on the disposition front going forward?

Thomas J. Hofstedter
Executive Chairman & CEO, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah, the answer is yes, but office, as you can see from all the sales, is very much tailor-made. So in some cases, we need to classify it as, the market's going to be not necessarily our deals, but you find financial engineering to move product out, with the seller financing, et cetera. On the retail front, it's kind of simple. If our retail is very saleable, there's no danger to it, it's, it's not even food and restrictions, it's food stores, same as the Echo in a way, that, at least the CAD 12-CAD 14/sq ft have decent term on them, have high, high credit. They're all Metros, blah, blah, and so we... Shoppers Drug Mart. So they're easily saleable, but 100% of all buyers out there do financing.

If you are of the opinion, like I think most people believe, that in the latter part of this year, interest rates are going to come down, so your purchase price is going to be a direct reflection on where interest rates are going, are going to go. Therefore, these prices will rise as the cost of financing lowers. There's no point in putting them on the market and selling right now if you believe that in six months from now, the cap rate is going to go down due to the benefit of positive leverage or better leverage. Therefore, no, no sales or higher sales in the retail front. We're going to hold off until we get the price. We're going to put it on the market at all until we see the interest rates come down.

And on the office front, again, it's specific to a reason why someone want to buy the asset. I do have hope and actually expectation that we will continue to sell some office assets, but they're all going to be off-market deals. And again, this is less a reflection on interest rates rather than liquidity in the market.

Sam Damiani
Analyst, TD Cowen

Thank you. I really appreciate the color. I'll turn it back.

Operator

Thank you. That concludes today's Q&A session. I will turn the call back over for closing comments.

Thomas J. Hofstedter
Executive Chairman & CEO, H&R Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks, everybody. Have a good day.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating, and we ask that you please disconnect your lines.

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