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Earnings Call: Q3 2020

Nov 5, 2020

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Killam Apartment Real Estate Investment Trust third quarter 2020 financial results conference call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. If at any time during this call you need assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on November 5th, 2020. I would now like to turn the conference over to Philip Fraser. Please go ahead.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Hello, and thank you. I want to welcome you to Killam Apartment REIT's Q3 2020 earning presentation. I am here today with Robert Richardson, Executive Vice President, Dale Noseworthy, Chief Financial Officer, Erin Cleveland, Senior Vice President of Finance, and Nancy Alexander, Vice President of Investor Relations and Sustainability. Slides to accompany today's call are available on the investor relations section of our website under events and presentations. I will now ask Nancy to read our cautionary statement.

Nancy Alexander
VP of Investor Relations and Sustainability, Killam Apartment REIT

Thanks, Phil. This presentation may contain forward-looking statements with respect to Killam Apartment REIT and its operations, strategies, financial performance, conditions, and otherwise. The actual results and performance of Killam discussed today could differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. Such statements are qualified in their entirety by the inherent risks and uncertainties surrounding forward-looking statements. For further information about the inherent risks and uncertainties in respect of forward-looking statements, please refer to Killam's most recent annual information form and other security regulatory filings found online on SEDAR. Unless otherwise stated, all forward-looking statements made today speak only as of today's date. Killam has no obligation to update such statements unless required under applicable securities laws. Unless otherwise stated, all forward-looking statements speak only as of the date of which this presentation refers, and the parties have no obligation to update such statements.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Thank you, Nancy. Before I start, I would like to take the opportunity to acknowledge the unexpected passing of Wayne Watson on September 28th, 2020. Wayne was a founding board member, investor of Killam, and chair of our audit committee for 19 years. Wayne was a gentleman, an experienced and knowledgeable CPA, and most of all, a close friend to all of us here at Killam. Wayne will be missed. This morning, we are focused on our third quarter performance. Dale and Robert will take us through Killam's solid operating and financial results. First, I want to start with a summary of our strategy. We find ourselves in a very different world today than even eight months ago. Killam's long-term strategy remains unchanged. We are focused on increasing shareholder value by increasing funds from operations and net asset value.

We will accomplish this by concentrating on our three key priorities. Number one, increasing earnings from the existing portfolio. Two, expanding the portfolio and diversifying geographically through accretive acquisitions with an emphasis on newer properties. Number three, developing high-quality properties in Killam's core markets. In a year where rental growth has been partially muted, our existing portfolio of 17,000 apartment units and 5,900 MHC sites is benefiting from the innovative ways we grow our top-line revenue and manage our operating expenses. We continue to accelerate our suite renovation program, utilize data analytics across our organization, and invest in technologies to make our operating platform more energy efficient and greener. Accretive acquisitions have been the foundation of our growth, averaging CAD 122 million over the past 19 years.

We have targets to diversify our portfolio geographically and continue to look for additional assets in our three Ontario markets, as well as Calgary, Edmonton, and Victoria. Killam's development activities is a key cornerstone in our long-term growth strategy. We have a proven record of building high-quality properties in our core markets over the last 10 years. We have approximately CAD 250 million of development underway and expect to complete these projects in the next 24 months. This focused strategy continues to increase our earnings, produce a stronger balance sheet, and geographically diversify us across Canada. I will now hand it over to Dale to take us through our Q3 results.

Dale Noseworthy
CFO, Killam Apartment REIT

Thanks, Phil. Killam produced solid financial results in the third quarter. Despite challenges linked to the pandemic, we continued to increase earnings from our existing portfolio, advanced our acquisition and development pipeline, and strengthened our balance sheet with a CAD 69 million equity raise. We ended the quarter with significant capital flexibility, including over CAD 230 million in acquisition capacity. Slide four highlights our Q3 financial performance. We achieved net income of CAD 37.1 million and earned funds from operations of CAD 0.27 per unit, in line with FFO per unit in Q3 last year. Positive same-property NOI growth and interest expense savings were offset by short-term dilution from the timing of deployment of funds following the July equity raise. These funds will be fully invested by the end of November.

Killam's debt metrics improved during Q3, including a 160 basis points reduction in debt to total assets to 43.8%. Same-property NOI growth is one of our key performance metrics. Overall, same-property NOI was up 0.4%. Killam's apartment portfolio achieved 1.1% growth. The strength from the apartment portfolio was offset by a reduction in NOI from the MHCs, specifically from our seasonal resort communities. Due to social distancing regulations, along with travel restrictions into Atlantic Canada, NOI from our seasonals was down 15.2% in the quarter. By contrast, NOI from our permanent MHCs was up 3.6%. The decline in the seasonal's earnings was pandemic-specific and does not reflect a long-term decline in the earnings potential from these communities. Killam's revenue growth measures are charted on slide five. Same-property revenue increased 1% in Q3, including 1.8% growth from the apartment portfolio.

Year-over-year, as at September 30th, the weighted average apartment rents were up 3.1%. Occupancy levels in Q3 dipped 70 basis points from Q3 last year. Although demand for rental units remains strong across the majority of the portfolio, we experienced an uptick in vacancy in most markets, coming off record-high occupancy levels in 2019. Killam's incentive offerings have remained flat. We remain selective in the regions and properties where we are using incentive offerings. Revenue growth in Halifax and New Brunswick has stood out in 2020, including in Q3. Killam monitors mark-to-market opportunities by region and assesses the relative strength of each market to adjust rents accordingly. Both these markets are showing continued strength and resiliency throughout the pandemic. In Halifax, we continue to see rents on unit turns that are, on average, 10% more than in-place rents.

Although we saw a dip in the Halifax portfolio's occupancy last quarter, we're not seeing indications of declines in mark-to-market rent. The decline in occupancy is at least partially attributable to many universities moving full online learning, resulting in student-concentrated buildings seeing less demand. New Brunswick also saw a modest uptick in vacancy in the quarter, but occupancy levels remain healthy at above 97%. Mark-to-market opportunities in these regions continue to be strong. Rents on unit turns achieved by Killam's New Brunswick leasing team averaged 9% above in-place rents in Q3. This includes the success of our repositioning program in our New Brunswick markets. Overall, we're seeing stable to growing market rents across the majority of our portfolio. Operating expenses were up 2.3% in Q3, as illustrated on slide six. The main driver of this growth was a 5.1% increase in property taxes.

We continue to appeal property tax assessments to minimize this rising cost. General operating costs were up 1.1%, as higher insurance premiums and increased compensation for frontline staff offset other savings. Utility and fuel costs were largely flat in Q3. I'm pleased to report that Killam's mortgage renewal program continues to progress on schedule with interest rate savings. The weighted average interest rate on CMHC-insured mortgages refinanced in Q3 was 1.38%, 105 basis points lower than the weighted average rate on the maturing debt. Slide seven highlights our debt maturity profile, including average apartment mortgage rates by year versus prevailing CMHC insurance mortgage rates. Looking forward, we have CAD 143 million in mortgages maturing in 2021, and we expect to up-finance approximately CAD 50 million on these renewals, and based on today's rates, reduce our weighted average interest rate.

We're focused on strengthening our balance sheet. As noted already, we were successful in doing so in Q3, as shown on slide eight. We ended the quarter with investment properties valued at CAD 3.6 billion. This includes a CAD 15 million fair value gain in Q3, reflecting the rental rate growth we're achieving on the apartment portfolio. I will now turn the call over to Robert, who will provide color on Killam's key revenue initiatives and value delivery to our residents.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Thank you, Dale, and good morning, everyone. Before commenting on Killam's financial and operating initiatives, I want to first thank Killam's 700 employees that continue to work with tremendous communal spirit and poise during this unprecedented pandemic year. Our employees each day deliver safe and well-managed housing to both apartment and MHC tenants, as well as to the many businesses in our commercial portfolio. I would further highlight the outstanding commitment and care our frontline staff have extended to Killam's residents and stakeholders these past eight months. Approximately two-thirds of our employees and residents call Atlantic Canada home. Due to the 14-day quarantine mandate for anyone entering the Atlantic community in Bubble, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, PEI, and Newfoundland have, to date, been able to avoid the second COVID-19 wave that is unfortunately disrupting many communities and cities across Canada.

Nevertheless, Killam is acutely aware of the demanding operating conditions in our Ontario, Alberta, and British Columbia markets, as the number of COVID-19 cases continues to rise. In these regions, Killam remains focused on the health and safety of Killam's resident families and stakeholders, remaining diligent in its cleaning and physical distancing protocols, doing our part to keep the active virus caseload numbers low. Despite COVID-19, rent collection has remained very strong for Killam throughout 2020. As shown on slide nine, Killam collected 99.7% of all rents in the third quarter. To date, in October, we have collected 98.6% of apartment, MHC, and commercial rents. Historically, Killam typically collects 99.6% of rents each month, and we do not anticipate a change to these collection patterns for the remainder of 2020.

Killam has been working closely with its commercial tenants under the Canada Emergency Commercial Rent Assistance program, also known as CECRA, as detailed on slide nine. Killam's contribution to date to its tenants under the CECRA program totals CAD 200,000. As noted in the last two quarterly conference calls, Killam has in place or is working on rent referral arrangements for a number of our commercial and residential tenants on a case-by-case basis and has waived any interest charges on deferred rent. Killam is proud to supply clean, affordable, high-quality housing to its 22,000 tenants across Canada, and our employees are proud to provide an exceptional value proposition to our tenants. When compared to the cost of owning a home in the communities and cities where Killam invests, including the upkeep and maintenance that go with home ownership, renting is an excellent alternative.

Affordable housing is a top priority in Canada, and all indications are that this will remain the case with Canada's population continuing to grow. Last week, the federal government announced an increase in immigration that will see over 1.2 million new Canadians arrive by 2024. The dual trends of population growth and increased urbanization in Canada's major markets has put pressure on housing supply and consequently increased pricing. Killam wants to be part of the solution and therefore provides very affordable living options in all its markets. Please refer to slide 10. Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation's measure of housing affordability is the shelter cost-to-income ratio, which sets the affordability threshold at 30% of the before-tax median household income.

Comparing CMHC's 30% cost-to-income ratio metric to Killam's average rents in each of Killam's core markets clearly highlights the fact Killam's average rents are well within CMHC's thresholds, ranging from 15%-25% of the pre-tax median household income. Killam has the ability to accommodate the demand for both affordable housing and those preferring higher-end accommodations by offering a wide selection of locations, unit sizes, layouts, and amenities. Killam's properties reflect the rich diversity and character of its urban communities. Slide 11 charts Killam's rental rate growth from Q1 2017 to Q3 2020, 15 quarters or almost three years. Quarterly rental rate growth is represented by the green bars and is a combination of rent increases for renewing tenants per quarter, as shown by the blue line, plus rent increases for new leasing on turns when tenants vacate, shown by the gray line.

Overall, during this 15-quarter timeframe, Killam has generated steadily increasing growth in our rental rates to 3.6% per quarter until 2020, when the pandemic started. Despite the pandemic, Killam continues to deliver rental rate growth, primarily from moving rents up when a unit turns. For example, this quarter, unit turns averaged 5.2% rental growth. Killam's decision to suspend collection of rent renewal increases and to also delay issuing notice for future rent increases in the months of April through July have impacted Killam's rental rate growth for renewals this year. For example, rental rate growth for renewals for the four quarters ending Q1 2020 averaged 2.1% per quarter, whereas rental rate growth for renewals for Q2 2020 was 0%. For this quarter, Q3 2020, rental rate growth for renewals is only 10 basis points.

Coming back to my earlier comments on affordability, we believe chart 11 drives home the point that Killam's rents have increased responsibly. Moving to slide 12, looking ahead to Q4 2020, Killam expects rental rate growth for renewals to be in the 2.4% range, trending upward to the rental rate growth Killam generated pre-COVID-19. The blue line on this chart shows the number of renewals by month, with October 2020 showing 2,000 renewals forecast, which is approximately twice the monthly average for renewals. This peak number for renewals is due to the delivery of renewal notices being delayed in Q2 2020, as discussed earlier. Killam's unit turnover during the first wave of the pandemic this spring saw a decline, but now the trending is moving slightly higher. We attribute this slight increase to the pandemic's uncertain trajectory that most certainly had tenants delaying their moves for a few months.

For 2020 overall, we estimate Killam's unit turns will decrease ±20 basis points to finish the year at 28.5%. After repositioning 300 units in 2019, Killam's 2020 program is to complete 500 units, as shown on slide 13. Year to date, 426 units have been repositioned at an average cost of CAD 26,000 per unit, earning a 12% unlevered return on investment.

We have reviewed Killam's entire portfolio and forecast we can upgrade a minimum of 500 units per year to fill a portion of the demand for high-quality, upgraded units in our markets. Broadly, Killam presently has 5,000 additional units that can be repositioned, and this opportunity continues to cycle forward as the properties age. Expense management is a focus at Killam, and we continue to benefit from our investment in energy efficiency projects. Please see slide 14. Killam has invested approximately CAD 20 million in efficiency projects over the past four years, including installing 11,500 low-flow toilets, lighting retrofits at 90 properties, and many boiler installations and thermostat upgrades, saving millions of CAD by reducing utility and heating fuel consumption. 2020 energy projects include CAD 6 million in investments, having an average eight-year payback.

New this year are photovoltaic solar panel installations at both Quinpool Court, pictured here on slide 14, and our newest development, Shorefront on PEI. Both these properties are now connected to the grid, producing renewable energy for our buildings. These projects are indicative of Killam's commitment to climate change mitigation by adopting greener strategies to reduce Killam's carbon footprint. On the topic of climate change, Killam participated in GRESB ESG rating survey for the second year, and we look forward to sharing our progress and improvements once the final results are released later this month. I will now hand you back to Philip to provide an update on our development and acquisitions pipeline.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Thank you, Robert. Slide 15 summarizes Killam's year-to-date acquisition activity. On October 26th, Killam purchased 171 and 181 Leopold, a new four-story, 107-unit wood-frame property in Moncton, New Brunswick. Please see Slide 16. The purchase price was CAD 17.6 million, and it was satisfied by placing a new first mortgage of CAD 13.2 million, and the balance in cash. Killam has also agreed to purchase Horizon Place, a new seven-story concrete building located in Moncton, New Brunswick, that is scheduled to close by the middle of November 2020. The purchase price is at CAD 55 million, and it will be satisfied by placing a new first mortgage, and the balance in cash. Stabilized all-cash yield is 4.5% and is currently 88% leased. With a mixture of one, two, and three bedrooms, the average unit size is 1,426 sq ft , with an average rental rate of CAD 1.32 per square foot.

Common areas include a well-appointed gym, large social room, and an outdoor patio. With CAD 210 million in acquisitions year to date, 2020 is Killam's second-largest acquisition year despite the challenging environment. With regards to development, construction activity progressed in our six developments, plus Nolan Hill development during the quarter. Slide 21 shows renderings of these projects, and slide 22 shows the expected remaining time before completion and the total development cost. We expect Nolan Hill and 10 Harley developments to be completed in Q1 2021. By the end of 2022, we fully expect all of these projects to be completed, which is an additional 670 units of growth. Our Shorefront development opened its doors on October the 1st. Please see slides 23 and 24. A 100 kW solar panel array has been installed on the rooftop, which is expected to produce 111 MWh of energy annually.

The property is currently 33% leased. Slide 25 show The Harley, which is scheduled to be completed by February of 2021. A 47 kW solar panel array will be installed on The Harley, along with solar panel arrays on the other three buildings in the complex, for a total installed capacity of 262 kW, which is expected to produce 302 MW of power annually. Slide 27 shows a rendering of The Latitude, the second phase of Gloucester City Centre project with RioCan. Construction finance was placed on this project during Q3 2020, and all the remaining development costs will be funded through this financing. The Kay in Mississauga is progressing along quickly now, with renderings on slide 29 and an aerial progress shot on slide 30. Construction financing was secured in Q2, and all the remaining development cost is being funded through this facility, with an anticipated completion in early 2022.

Luma, on slide 31, is the 168-unit development that we are developing with RioCan. This apartment building is adjacent to the grocery anchor at Elmvale Acres Shopping Centre in Ottawa. We broke ground on our 169-unit development known as Civic 66 in Kitchener at the beginning of July, with exterior and interior rendering shown on slides 32 and 33. We expect it will take 24 months to build, with a completion target for Q3 2022. This project will have geothermal heating and cooling. For reference, Slide 34 breaks out Killam's future development opportunities. We're in the final design and approval phase for a 12-unit luxury project in downtown Halifax called The Governor and expect to start before the end of the year. Over 70% of our development land is outside Atlantic Canada. Although 2020 has been a challenging year to date, we remain positive for the future.

We have a great team at Killam, we continue to keep our employees' and residents' safety as one of our top priorities. We take great pride in our great operating platform and high-quality assets, we are confident that we will continue to create value for our unitholders. Thank you. I will now open up the call for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. Your first question comes from Mark Rothschild at Canaccord. Please go ahead.

Mark Rothschild
Analyst, Canaccord

Thanks, and good morning, everyone. First question.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Mark.

Mark Rothschild
Analyst, Canaccord

Maybe it's for Rob, just following up on your comments on rents. You guys did note that you delayed rent increases, and you're restarting them in Q4. As we look into next year, same- property NOI, and I know you're not going to give us guidance necessarily, but there's a whole bunch of moving parts. Obviously, there's some rent freezes in Ontario, and there is rent control in certain markets. As you're restarting rent increases, are you able to possibly push a little bit more because you paused them for a period of time, or does it just not work that way? Just trying to balance all these moving parts as we think about next year.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

The question is, can we catch up on any revenue we may not have earned? Interesting question. I would say to you, that's probably quite linked to COVID. In the marketplace, if it stays as uncertain as it is right now, it'll be difficult to do that. If we can find ourselves with things coming together with either the ability to diagnose or to treat, I think that you can move the market a little more. For the most part, I think it wouldn't be any more than we charged before at this time. Right? Not a big push to collect what may have not been collected will remain in this range currently.

Mark Rothschild
Analyst, Canaccord

Okay, great.

Dale Noseworthy
CFO, Killam Apartment REIT

Just to clarify, Mark, too, that most of the ones where we delayed the increases, except for Nova Scotia, we were able to put those through. There's just a timing difference.

Mark Rothschild
Analyst, Canaccord

Okay, great. Thanks. Then in regards to the acquisition in Moncton, obviously, it's a new property, a relatively low cap rate. You're using quite a bit of a higher cap rate for IFRS. How should we think about that acquisition in the context of where market cap rates might be in Moncton or other smaller markets, meaning not Halifax and Atlantic Canada? Then with that cap rate of 4.5%, is that on a stabilized income? Because I understand you bought it with some vacancy.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

That is correct. A stabilized income. I think the way to look at that, there is pressure on cap rates in all our markets. You mentioned smaller markets, it's true, but the counterbalance to that is that this would be probably the premier asset in New Brunswick. This asset is outstanding. From a long-term point of view, with all the features, the size of it, the rent per square foot, we're very happy to own this. Hello, Mark?

Mark Rothschild
Analyst, Canaccord

Yes. Thank you.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Oh, sorry.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Jonathan Kelcher at TD Securities. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Thanks. Good morning.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Good morning.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Just going back to revenue. If we look forward to 2021 on renewals, and I guess with the freeze in Ontario and potentially B.C., do you think you'll be able to average 2% on renewals in 2021 or somewhere in and around there?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

We think so. We think we can be in that range.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. On turnover, last couple of years, you've been in sort of the 5%-6% range. Is that something you think you can continue to do going forward?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Yes.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. That is good. I guess switching gears on acquisitions, what are you guys seeing on pricing right now?

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

I think the simplest answer is that there's huge pressure on cap rates with the assets in Ontario and B.C. They're a little bit better in Alberta, but obviously the market's a little bit softer. You know what? The product that's available in Atlantic Canada, they're stable to, again, a little bit of pressure on the downward side.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay, that is helpful. Then just last question, on Nolan Hill, I think you're scheduled to close that in Q1. Would that be like a March close?

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Well, it depends on if they finish up the construction. It's going along very nicely. It's very fast. We kind of think it might be February right now.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. That'll be an empty property when you get it. What are you budgeting in terms of lease-up time for that?

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Well, we're actually doing pre-leasing now. Basically, there's good even the first couple of weeks, and we'll gear up and be heavily involved in the pre-leasing through the rest of November, December, and January. You know what? We'll have a really good handle on that at the end of the fourth quarter, early February. We're not too concerned about it.

Jonathan Kelcher
Analyst, TD Securities

Okay. That's it for me. I'll turn it back. Thanks.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Thank you.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Howard Leung at Veritas. Please go ahead.

Howard Leung
Analyst, Veritas

Good morning. Yeah, thanks for taking my questions. I just wanted to start with the same- property expense tick-up we're seeing in, I guess, a few areas in Ontario and also in Alberta. Could you just maybe have some color on there? Is it related to this property taxes that you talked about earlier?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

That certainly is contributing.

Dale Noseworthy
CFO, Killam Apartment REIT

Property taxes, you would've seen that highlighted, was up about 5.1% in the quarter. We're definitely feeling the cost of increased insurance premiums across the real estate industry and other industries as well. There's definitely pressure on insurance costs. Our renewal would have happened on July 1st. This is the first quarter we saw that uptick. Additional salary costs, we have provided more compensation to our frontline staff. We would've seen that impact. Those were probably the ones that really stood out in the quarter. We did have some savings in some other areas as well. Those ones were fairly high increases quarter-over-quarter.

Howard Leung
Analyst, Veritas

Right. Do you expect, I guess, that those expenses, particularly in Ontario and Alberta, to continue to outpace ones in the Maritimes?

Dale Noseworthy
CFO, Killam Apartment REIT

I think that when we talk insurance costs, that one's, I don't think it's one region more than the other. Property tax, it is a little more region specific. We would've seen some more pressure in some markets more than others. I'd say yes for property taxes. Some of the others are a little bit more evenly distributed throughout the portfolio.

Howard Leung
Analyst, Veritas

Okay. No, that makes sense. Then just a question on the ROI table on investments or unit repositions. I just saw that it looks like it slipped slightly from, I think, 13% year to date in Q2, and now it's 12%. It kind of implies that this quarter, I think, is like a 10%. Which particular province would you attribute slightly lower returns to, and is that related to the pandemic, or is it just a function of that particular province?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

I think it's a function of more on the increased cost side, not so much our ability to get the increased rent. We're seeing now it's looking like CAD 26,500 .

Howard Leung
Analyst, Veritas

Okay.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

I think that part of that costing is attributed to COVID because there's been a premium on some materials, lumber in particular.

Howard Leung
Analyst, Veritas

Right. Makes sense. I guess maybe going forward, when you're thinking about fiscal 2021, would you maybe project slightly lower returns than what you were going in with into the pandemic?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

You know what? It's pretty fine-tuning, right?

It's impossible to say definitively. I know lumber is coming down right now, I think they'll stabilize on that side.

Howard Leung
Analyst, Veritas

Right.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

12%-13% is certainly achievable.

Howard Leung
Analyst, Veritas

Okay.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

I mean, another part of this is right now there's a shortage of appliances, we find, depending on the market you're in. From a premium pricing, just to get the appliances on the suite renovations, that will get corrected once COVID gets over. There's different price points that add to the cost.

Howard Leung
Analyst, Veritas

Right. Thanks. Yeah, no, that makes sense. We've seen construction prices and appliance prices go up. I also wanted to ask about the same property incentive offerings that you showed in the presentation. Looks pretty mild, that 0.4% this quarter. Is there any spillover into Q4 from these incentives? Like maybe offered in September but it'll eat into October. Also, which markets are you seeing incentives continue pretty competitively in?

Dale Noseworthy
CFO, Killam Apartment REIT

From an accounting perspective, we would take those over 12 months. Those markets where we are offering, it is carried over a 12-month period. Overall, not too much change. We are using them more in downtown Calgary. The Grid 5 assets we would've spoken of specifically. Alberta, we have more incentives than other regions. Newfoundland is another one that we're looking at incentives as well. We would've started to see that. Those are the ones that would stand out in terms of our use, but we are very selective. I think that the trending that we would've seen in Q3 is reasonable to expect to trend through Q4 and likely into next year.

Howard Leung
Analyst, Veritas

Thanks. Yeah, that's helpful. I guess that segues well into my next, my last question. Just where we're seeing a little more pressure on Alberta markets, Calgary and Edmonton, and Killam spoke about increasing exposure to Western Canada, including Alberta. Can you speak on that a little and maybe why you still think it's attractive?

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

I think it's because these markets are very large, and we believe in them long term. The probability of seeing growth other than our Nolan Hill is probably pretty low until the COVID-19 pandemic gets over because we're still in a bubble relative to travel. We haven't been able to really do the normal amount of traveling, going out looking for assets in Western Canada. Once it's over, we'll be back out.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

The suburban market's very strong.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Yeah.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

We get that both in Edmonton and in Calgary. It's a young, youthful population in that marketplace, and it's going to be fine long term, and we're a long-term business.

Dale Noseworthy
CFO, Killam Apartment REIT

You would've seen our Edmonton numbers. Same property. Those are some assets that we saw fantastic top-line growth and NOI growth in the quarter. It is, as Robert mentioned, suburban, and the demand is fairly strong for units in those suburban markets.

Howard Leung
Analyst, Veritas

No, that's great that we are seeing that difference. Thanks for the color. I'll pass the line.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Liyan Chen at iA Securities. Please go ahead.

Liyan Chen
Analyst, iA Securities

Thank you, and good morning. Just a quick couple of questions for you.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Good morning.

Liyan Chen
Analyst, iA Securities

You've spoken about it in, I guess, in the previous questions, but maybe more longer term, I was just wondering if you could talk about what your expectations are in terms of same-store NOI for the next couple of quarters and what you're seeing so far in terms of current trends.

Dale Noseworthy
CFO, Killam Apartment REIT

I think that longer term, it is back to Robert's comments about what's going to happen with COVID-19. I think that we do expect to go back more in line with what more normalized of the kind of two to four range we've talked about before looking forward. There's still a lot of uncertainty in the market with what's going to happen with the virus. We think that 2020 will prove to be on the low side when we look over kind of a 10-year trend.

Liyan Chen
Analyst, iA Securities

Great. Thank you. In terms of rental growth rate, you've touched upon it in, I guess, it was the very first question when it comes to a lot of moving parts. What would be your perspective specifically in the context of decreasing occupancy and again, if you could provide some color as to what you're seeing so far in the quarter?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Sorry, could you just repeat the question, please?

Liyan Chen
Analyst, iA Securities

Yeah. What would be your, regarding to rental growth rate, more specifically regarding to in the context of a decreasing occupancy, what would that look like and what you're seeing so far in the quarter in terms of some of the current trends?

Dale Noseworthy
CFO, Killam Apartment REIT

I think if I understand what you're asking, I think that there is a balance between rental increases and occupancy levels. We look at closely region by region and even asset by asset. We're looking at that result, which is revenue growth. In areas that we see a lot of increased upticks in vacancy, and St. John's is a prime example, then we'll look at those rental rates and decide. There's other markets. A reminder, we are coming off record-high occupancy too, so still at 97%, 96.5% occupancy. Those levels are still looking quite healthy. It is a balance, and we'll look at the data analytics that we have, the amount of demand that we're seeing, and adjust accordingly.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Again, just as a reminder, we're in this situation, and currently there are decreased levels of new immigration. There is a lot of restrictions on international students coming back into the country to go to university. Do we believe this is going to be around forever? No. Again, to recognize the fact that these are all the byproducts of the shutdown through the first and second quarters of this year, and who knows as we come back and there's actually a second larger wave that's happening that requires shutdowns and depending on the province. From an operator, we look at it as we'll get over this. Hopefully there will be a vaccine sometime maybe in 2021. The big part of it is that our downtown cores have to reopen in terms of the worker and the workforce that go back and forth into those areas.

All that plays into the demand for housing, especially on the rental side. We don't think this is a long-term structural increase in vacancy.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

I would highlight that on the vacancy side, approximately one-third of our portfolio at any time is 100% occupied. We're able to move rents despite other buildings may be suffering some vacancy. There is the opportunity, and we should see some growth that way. Phil touched on international students, and we know the province has stated that starting in the new year, we will be permitting international students to return, and Halifax has over 30,000 university students here. It'd be nice to get that portion of the market back too. I think generally speaking, there is an opportunity for growth. Any vacancy we're experiencing is actually somewhat minor, and it's not definitely a structural change.

Liyan Chen
Analyst, iA Securities

Perfect. Thank you. I'll leave it there.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Matt Kornack at National Bank. Please go ahead.

Matt Kornack
Analyst, National Bank

Good morning, guys. Other than students, are you seeing any other demographic trends? Some were saying, and maybe it's an Ontario-centric issue, but there's some cases of young professionals moving back in with their parents. I guess you guys don't have the COVID-19 levels and less of a downtown exposure. Are you seeing any other demographics other than students that have been under pressure?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

I thought you were going to say some people in the Ontario market are moving back to Nova Scotia. Which is something we are seeing.

Matt Kornack
Analyst, National Bank

Yeah.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

There is a bit of that going on. It's interesting. I think the best way to look at that is 70% of sales, and I think it was 5,000 home sales, 70% were sold above asking price in our market. There's a tremendous demand, and we know when we speak to our people in PEI, they're seeing the same thing. There's been some benefit to the outlying provinces from the bigger centers, because of COVID and people choosing this as a good time to perhaps, go to a smaller market. That's been one of the good things, if anything can be good with COVID.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Yes. I think, Matt, your question, it makes sense that it's actually occurring if you have young workers in the workforce that now are basically working out of their apartment in the large urban centers and, especially if some of these units are quite small and maybe they already have a roommate and they're sharing it. There is going to be a movement in that part of the market, for sure.

Matt Kornack
Analyst, National Bank

Sure. No, that makes sense. On the expense side of things, looking at maybe 2021, do you expect that your margins will continue to sort of flatline, or is there still the potential for margin expansion? Obviously, it depends on rent growth to some extent, but what would be a normal sort of expense growth rate at this point for OpEx and taxes, et cetera?

Dale Noseworthy
CFO, Killam Apartment REIT

I think somewhere between 3% and 5%. I think it's that property tax is always the big question every year. We also have some efficiencies we continue to roll out that's going to help. I think that's probably a reasonable range to assume.

Matt Kornack
Analyst, National Bank

Okay. With regards to What was I going to say? Sorry, it's been a long week. With regards to your renovation programs, I was surprised that for Q3 2020 versus Q3 2019, you're getting the same rent spread on renovations and on turnover. Clearly your market has held in pretty well, if those are indicators of market performance. Is there still the same amount of demand, notwithstanding the issues you said on cost and maybe delays in getting some of the renovation materials, but still the same demand for these renovated units?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

The demand remains very strong.

Matt Kornack
Analyst, National Bank

You'd foresee continuing to move ahead with that program as you were prior to COVID?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

This year we would do 500 units, we'll renovate. Next year we're looking at a similar number. That can meet the market demand, we think. If we could do more, we might, but right now we're just working on that.

Matt Kornack
Analyst, National Bank

Okay, great. Thanks, .

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Mike Markidis at Desjardins. Please go ahead.

Mike Markidis
Analyst, Desjardins

Good morning, everybody. Appreciate your comments on no long-term, or no substantive change to your vacancy. Just, obviously the future will depend on if we have a second wave and so on and so forth. If we just assume the status quo for the next quarter or two, do you guys anticipate that your vacancy levels have stabilized here, or should we expect it to continue to grow a little bit in the short term?

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Well, again, the way we look at this, and it's a good question, is that our increase in vacancy can basically, it's concentrated in about 10 buildings. For every market, it's not that the overall vacancy has gone up across the board per market. When we look at it, and this has always been the way, that when you look at increase in vacancy, you look at it and say, okay, was this a student-focused building and the international students couldn't get into the country in, say, metro Halifax? Is it another issue over in Newfoundland where the immigration numbers are down, and that was attracting new Canadians? The other one would be downtown Calgary and all the sort of negative news that's in that marketplace in terms of job loss.

We look at it and say, okay, the majority of the decrease is concentrated in a very small number of properties. From that point of view, we can sit there and say, how are we going to stop that? What sort of leasing strategy are we going to put in place to sort of bring it back?

Mike Markidis
Analyst, Desjardins

Okay. Appreciate that. Thank you. On the acquisition front, I know you guys sort of at least while the Atlantic Bubble is still in place, not able to execute outside of Atlantic Canada. I'm just curious if you can comment on if you've seen an increase in the number of offerings and acquisition opportunities across Canada over the last several months.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Well, the answer is yes, because there was very little through February, March, and April, and into May. Everybody got back working. There was a lot of the brokers had product that they were negotiating with the potential seller. Yes, there was a lot of product that has come across our desk in the last two to three months.

Mike Markidis
Analyst, Desjardins

Okay. Last one for me is just, I don't know if this is coincidence or not, Google seems to provide me with news feeds based on what I search. Just noticed a couple of articles in Halifax recently about some advocates for rent control. I was just curious if you had any comment on that, whether the social call for that has gotten stronger versus history lately, is that something that's just coincidence in my eyes?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

I think the big question's around affordability, then it becomes some discussion on rent control. Mostly it's making units affordable, that portion of the marketplace. When we look at the numbers in this market, using CMHC as their ratio of before-tax income, 30% being the measure. When we look at that, it's been done, I think one of the analysts did it as well, across the board, certainly our portfolio would meet that test of affordability. There's no denying there's been a number of cases that come up, the question I have for the market, I haven't had it answered yet, is how many are there? They would be, in some cases, it's an older person. There is an issue with that person, I don't think the numbers are as big as they're being made out to be.

We're working with an association here that speaks for the rental market to do an economic study that's being prepared by a third party to address this concern and then use that to speak to any of the policymakers so we can bring the facts of the case to bear. The main thing is this: We all know in our business that rent control is not beneficial helping to increase supply. We know the best way to deal with affordability is increased supply. That point can be made, and it's empirically supported. That's what we'll do next.

Mike Markidis
Analyst, Desjardins

Okay. Just not being as familiar, is the political backdrop right now such that they're proponents for a free market system, or are they showing any sort of, I don't want to say vulnerability, but just appetite to consider alternative structures?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Oh, for sure. We would talk more about supplemental and in terms of a way to address those that can't afford it. The other thing about rent control, what it does is it subsidizes the rent for everyone, when really it should be more directed towards those that need affordable housing. I think the people that we're speaking to in government certainly understand that reality, and that's part of the discussion.

Mike Markidis
Analyst, Desjardins

Thank you. I appreciate the comments.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Okay.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Dean Wilkinson at CIBC. Please go ahead.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Thanks. Morning, everyone.

Dale Noseworthy
CFO, Killam Apartment REIT

Hi, Dean.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

I think I know the answer to this, but I just wanted to confirm it. On the property tax increase, was that changing the mill rate, or was that an increase in the value of the underlying assets?

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

It would depend on the municipality. We'd be in 70 different municipalities, and some of it is done by provincial, and then depending on the municipality. It's a combination of one or the other or both.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Or both. Okay. Of the CAD 3.5 billion of investment properties, how much got reassessed?

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Every province is different. Ontario's on a three-year cycle. PEI's on a similar one. We'd have to go back and look.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Nova Scotia's every-

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Every year.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

They give you a new-

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Every year.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

I think it is every year.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Yeah.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Do you have a sense of the magnitude of what those valuation reassessments would've been on average?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

No.

Dean Wilkinson
Analyst, CIBC

Okay, fair enough. That's a pretty detailed question. I will leave it there, and hopefully that ends the call. Thanks, guys.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Thanks.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Mario Saric at Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Hi. Thank you, good morning, and sorry to disappoint Dean with an additional question here. Just two really quick ones on my end, just really focusing on affordability. Again, I thought your table on page 10 was interesting. Just want to confirm, these are broader market median household incomes. When you look at your portfolio, is there any reason to think, in any of the markets, that your specific household income wouldn't be at or above the CMHC average? I'm just thinking about perhaps a higher concentration of students in some markets versus others. I don't know whether that exists or not, just curious to hear your thoughts on that.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

In the absence of more data, I think that's the proxy we have to go with. On students, the interesting thing. It's not really their income, it's their parents. Most students that show up in our markets would have good support from their families.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Again, a lot of those units, there's two students. Again, the stats that we're quoting are household. A lot of times it's one person working.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Yeah.

Dale Noseworthy
CFO, Killam Apartment REIT

We do have additional breakdown, and as we spend time thinking about this, like what percentage of our rents are below CAD 900 or whatever number that may be. When you think of understanding the different, that medium income might not represent a lot of people. In Halifax, for example, I think almost 30% of our units are under for, I guess that's two-bedroom units, but under that CAD 900 rent, which would be a very affordable rent. It kind of varies by market, but we look at it a lot of different ways.

It's hard to get the income information.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Mario, this is some math I think that maybe helps. The average hourly rate in Halifax is CAD 12.50 an hour. That's the minimum wage. People work 2,080 hours, 40-hour weeks, 52 weeks, and that's CAD 26,000 a year. Using CMHC's 30% calculation, that gives you, on a monthly basis, CAD 650 that you could contribute towards rent. As Phil noted, a lot of people would co-share, so that two-bedroom unit, they would take that together. That'd give you CAD 1,300 a month. When you do the math on it, really, there's a lot of units in the market that are CAD 1,300 or less. The people that mostly are affected by when the affordable question comes up, are people who want to live alone, on their own, and often a single parent with children.

Those are the two that you need to address, which is a segment of the market, no denying, but that is a segment that can be addressed, and that is how it should be addressed, would be our thinking.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Great. No, I understand. I'm just trying to get a sense of whether, like in Halifax, for example, with 20.3%, whether you think that, again, you don't have the data, but whether Killam's percentage would be notably lower than 20.3%, maybe a bit higher, specific to your portfolio. I appreciate that the data isn't necessarily available. Just maybe a secondary question, with respect to supply, and I guess supply appetite or new supply appetite as a result of the pandemic or COVID-19. Have you seen any change on the ground in terms of kind of intentions to build because of the pandemic?

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Well, I mean.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Or do you-

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

Yeah.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Think you'll see historical new supply growth rates in Halifax over the next three, four years?

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

I'll give you a broader answer to that question. What I see across the country, the supply side slowing down because it is becoming more and more difficult to get permits to actually build product. There is basically a growing sort of anti-development, along with the affordability that people are really not that happy. What you're going to see is that it's taking longer to get a permit to actually build something, and we see that in a lot of different cities that we're looking at, trying to get final permits. I think you'll see supply really start to slow down in the next 12-24 months.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Just maybe a related question on new supply. I think you've established yourself as one of the leaders in terms of ESG in the public market. On the private side, your competitors, do they focus as much on green when they're building new product, or would you say that your focus is quite differentiated?

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

I think our focus is quite different. There's a big section of the new product that is being built by merchant builders. They would not put a lot of these features into the buildings. The established private landlords that are building their own product probably would look at it because it all adds to the efficiency and the overall margins of new product. We definitely, it's a big belief inside Killam that this is the way to go long term.

Mario Saric
Analyst, Scotiabank

Got it. Makes sense. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The last question comes from Yash Sankpal at Laurentian Bank. Please go ahead.

Yash Sankpal
Analyst, Laurentian Bank

Good morning.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Good morning.

Yash Sankpal
Analyst, Laurentian Bank

I'm just trying to reconcile a few contradictory factors, and maybe you can help me. We know that there's a lack of demand from new immigrants and students. We know that young professionals are opting to move out and go to suburban locations. On the other hand, your same-property occupancy declines by only 20 basis points sequentially, and the demand for your repositioned or renovated suites is quite strong. It looks like, or it seems like we are missing some undercurrent.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

You are. It's the Atlantic Bubble is part of it. No, I think that is part of it. I think that in other bigger centers, with the rapid increase in number of positive cases, it's affecting people dramatically, and we're not seeing that in our marketplace. We've been fortunate these last number of months, and the numbers are relatively low, and I think it supports a more stable occupancy, and that's, I think, how it's going. In the absence of the new Canadians coming, some students not arriving, the market has maintained its status quo, and that's been the fortunate part of it for us in Atlantic Canada.

Yash Sankpal
Analyst, Laurentian Bank

Your geographic concentration is helping you here?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

It is helping us here.

Yash Sankpal
Analyst, Laurentian Bank

That's it for me. Thank you.

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Okay.

Operator

Thank you. There is one more question from Brad Sturges at Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Brad Sturges
Analyst, Raymond James

Hi there. Maybe just to wrap up the discussion here on demand drivers, I'm just curious if COVID's had an impact on the move out of single family and downsizing into the multifamily. Has that kind of been impacted at all by COVID?

Robert Richardson
EVP, Killam Apartment REIT

Yeah. The biggest driver for that move-out is somebody to buy the new houses. What we are seeing is single home sales have increased a fair bit. You're probably onto something there. I think that is one of the contributors that has made it possible for everything to remain status quo. That's probably true.

Brad Sturges
Analyst, Raymond James

Okay, great. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions. You may proceed.

Philip Fraser
President and CEO, Killam Apartment REIT

That concludes the third quarter conference call for Killam Apartment REIT, and we thank everybody for participating today.

Thank you.

Operator

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