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Earnings Call: Q3 2024

Nov 14, 2024

Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Largo's third quarter 2024 financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Alex Guthrie, Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Alex Guthrie
Director of Investor Relations, Largo

Thank you, Operator, and thanks to everyone who has joined us for Largo's third quarter financial results conference call. Our Q3 2024 financial statements, related MD&A, and most recent AIF are available on our website at largoinc.com, as well as on SEDAR+ and EDGAR. Before we proceed, please note that some information discussed today will include forward-looking statements and non-IFRS measures. Please refer to the cautionary notes and non-GAAP section of the company's latest MD&A, financial statements, and AIF, which are all available online. Additionally, all figures mentioned are in US dollars unless otherwise stated. Today's speakers include Daniel Tellechea, Interim CEO and Director, Célio Pereira, COO of Largo Brazil, David Harris, CFO, and Francesco D'Alessio, CCO and President of Largo Clean Energy. Following the prepared remarks, we will open the call to questions.

Please limit your questions to two, and re-queue if you have further inquiries to allow everyone a chance to participate. I will now turn the call over to Daniel.

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Thank you, Alex, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today to discuss our third quarter results. In Q3, Largo continued to make positive strides on several fronts, and I am pleased to highlight a few areas where we are seeing real progress. First, we delivered our highest quarterly vanadium production in seven quarters, producing 3,072 tons, up 42% from Q3 last year. Additionally, we saw another strong quarter in ramping up our ilmenite production, contributing to our efforts in diversifying revenues at Largo. Largo's cost improvements have been equally important during the quarter. We reduced our operating costs by 31%, allowing us to maintain a competitive position within the vanadium sector, and as announced, our vanadium supply agreement, which unlocks approximately $23.5 million of additional liquidity from our vanadium inventories upon delivery, now enables us to strategically manage our inventory while still meeting our ongoing future sales commitments.

Sorry. In terms of our commercial strategy, we have taken the decisive steps to realign our sales approach to better navigate the challenging market environments. In September, Francesco D'Alessio was promoted to Chief Commercial Officer, bringing a wealth of industry experience and a strategic vision to our sales leadership. With Francesco's expertise, we are implementing a refreshed sales strategy aimed at optimizing inventory, fostering stronger customer relationships, and positioning Largo as a trusted and reliable supplier in both the vanadium and the ilmenite markets. Looking forward, our recently announced technical report highlights updates supporting Largo's long-term potential, with a 67% increase in mineral reserves and a 64% increase in mineral resources, extending our mine life to 2054. This strengthened resource base, paired with our production and cost initiatives, sets the stage for future value creation going forward.

With that, I will hand it over to Célio to discuss our operational progress in more detail.

Célio Pereira
COO, Largo

Thank you, Daniel, and good morning, everyone. This quarter, our team's hard work paid off as we reached a significant production milestone. In Q3, we produced 3,072 tons of V2O5 equivalent, a testament to the effectiveness of the operational enhancements we put in place earlier this year. Our global V2O5 recovery rate also improved to 81.1%, up from 76.9% last year. On the mining side, we achieved a 34% increase in total ore mined compared to Q3 2023, reaching 600,000 tons. These improvements highlight the changes we've made to enhance processing efficiencies and address variability in magnetic and V2O5 ore grades.

On the mining side, the mine has been increasingly de-risked, but mining is cost-intensive, and we have been having increasing issues with mining as we've been able to find a way in the lost zone, which reduces the overall carbon emissions reduction and lower costs this quarter. This is part of our journey for our team.

Our operations are as efficient as possible while maintaining high safety and environmental standards. Ilmenite production also saw strong gains, reaching 16,383 tons in Q3, an increase of 90% over the previous quarter. Finally, to maintain optimal operational continuity, we've moved our annual kiln maintenance to Q4 to coincide with the upcoming rainy season, minimizing the impact of any weather-related disruptions, and consequently, Q4 production is expected to be impacted by the maintenance period, resulting in lower production levels and higher operating costs for the quarter. However, we remain confident in our ability to meet our full-year 2024 guidance for production, costs, and sales. Before concluding, I'd like to highlight that quarter results reflect substantial progress in production and cost management. However, we remain focused on further optimizing our vanadium and ilmenite operations.

Largo is still in the process of a broader turnaround initiative aimed at driving consistent improvements across the mine. This includes enhancing operational efficiency, advancing silica control measures, and continuing recovery optimizations in our ilmenite plant. While we've made meaningful strides, we remain committed to further progress as we work toward fully realizing our operational goals and fostering a culture of continuous improvement across our team.

David Harris
CFO, Largo

In Q3 2024, Largo reported revenues of $29.9 million, including $27.2 million from vanadium sales and $2.7 million from ilmenite sales. Revenue was impacted by lower vanadium prices and reduced sales volumes, with the average benchmark price per pound of V2O5 in Europe down to $5.71 compared to $8.03 in Q3 2023. Operating costs decreased from $44 million in Q3 2023 to $29.5 million this quarter, a 31% reduction from Q3 2023.

Cash operating costs, excluding royalties, were $3.12 per pound sold, a 43% reduction from last year. As Célio highlighted just now, these results underscore our continued focus on cost management, and I'd like to recognize the hard work from our teams who've played a crucial role in realizing these savings. The net loss for Q3 was $10.1 million, including non-recurring items of $3.3 million, which is an improvement over the net loss of $11.9 million in Q3 2023. Adjusted EBITDA for our mining operations was $2.4 million in Q3 2024 compared to $2.7 million in Q3 2023, reflecting the impact of the vanadium market conditions but also highlighting ongoing cost management efforts. At the close of the quarter, we had a cash balance of $30.4 million and a net working capital surplus of $46.7 million.

While the recently announced vanadium supply agreement is expected to contribute approximately $23.5 million upon delivery of material between Q4 this year and Q1 next year, we continue to focus on managing liquidity carefully to support Largo's financial flexibility. In addition, we are working closely with a group of banks to explore restructuring options for our existing loan facilities. These discussions are aimed at optimizing our capital structure to ensure that we're well-prepared to navigate current market conditions, with a continued focus on managing liquidity carefully to support Largo's financial flexibility. Before I hand it over to Francesco, I'll reiterate that we remain committed to achieving sustained cost improvements at the Maracás Menchen Mine. We are closely monitoring all operational expenses as part of our broader strategy to optimize performance and enhance profitability, and we look forward to updating you on our continued progress in the quarters to come.

With that, I'll turn it over to Francesco for an update on our sales and commercial activities.

Francesco D’Alessio
Chief Commercial Officer and President of Largo Clean Energy, Largo

Thank you, David, and welcome everyone to the call. It's a privilege to join today as Largo's Chief Commercial Officer and provide an update on our commercial activities for Q3 2024, along with a brief update on Largo Clean Energy. In Q3 2024, we recorded V2O5 equivalent sales of 1,961 tons, which includes 124 tons of purchased material. This represents an 18% decrease from Q3 2023, driven primarily by softer spot demand in key markets, particularly Asia and Europe, where we continue to face significant headwinds affecting vanadium demand, especially within the steel sector. Low prices and an oversupply in the Chinese market have contributed to a more challenging supply-demand balance, pressuring prices across regions. The average benchmark price per pound of V2O5 in Europe was $5.71 in Q3, down from $8.03 in the same period last year, reflecting these ongoing market challenges.

In response to these conditions, we're refining our sales approach to strengthen direct sales to end users and expand our reach, particularly in North America. With the recent appointment of Randy Doyle, an industry leader with deep vanadium experience, to our commercial team, we're enhancing our sales efforts and building closer customer relationships to solidify Largo's position as a trusted supplier of vanadium and ilmenite products. Our recent contract campaign for both high-purity and ferrovanadium products has been successful, reinforcing our strategy to grow market share and secure stable long-term partnerships. Additionally, given current geopolitical factors and increased presence in North America, it further positions Largo as a key supplier to this market, which is becoming increasingly crucial amid shifting global dynamics.

While we continue to see softness in demand in Europe and expect this to extend into 2025, we are encouraged by early signs of recovery in the U.S. market, which has been less affected by low-priced vanadium supply from China. This trend is reflected in the growing interest from U.S.-based end users, particularly in sectors such as aerospace and defense, where demand is rising for reliable and secure sources of vanadium supply. These factors, along with the narrowing production-supply gap globally, position Largo favorably in the current environment. On the ilmenite front, we achieved a strong performance in Q3, with sales totaling 19,572 tons, a 60% increase over Q2 2024. Demand for ilmenite continues to grow, and we remain optimistic that this trend will support revenue growth as we build a stable, diversified revenue stream alongside our vanadium business.

Turning to Largo Clean Energy, we're advancing discussions with Stryten Energy toward a potential joint venture. This partnership will leverage Largo's expertise in vanadium flow battery technology alongside Stryten's manufacturing and market reach, positioning us strongly within the energy storage sector, particularly in North America, where demand for grid-scale solutions is expanding. We remain focused on maximizing LCE's role in Largo's overall growth strategy, ensuring that our technology aligns with the rising demand for reliable and sustainable energy storage solutions. While we recognize the challenges in the vanadium market, we're optimistic about future demand prospects, bolstered by recent regulatory developments, a recovering U.S. market, and increasing demand from key sectors. Our team's strategic focus on efficient production and sales management keeps us well-positioned to meet these emerging opportunities. With that, I'll turn it back to Daniel for closing remarks.

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Thank you, Francesco. As we head into Q4, Largo remains committed to improving operational efficiency, reducing costs, and diversifying our revenue streams. Despite the current headwinds in the vanadium prices, our recent technical report update and strategic agreements position us well to deliver value in the quarters ahead. Thank you to our entire team for their efforts and our shareholders for their support. We look forward to sharing our continued progress in the future. With that, we'll now open the call for questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to withdraw from the polling process, please press star followed by the two, and if you are using a speakerphone, please flip the handset before pressing any keys. Your first question comes from Heiko Ihle at H.C. Wainwright. Please go ahead.

Heiko Ihle
Managing Director and Senior Metals & Mining Analyst, H.C. Wainwright

Hey, good morning, everybody. Hello?

Francesco D’Alessio
Chief Commercial Officer and President of Largo Clean Energy, Largo

Morning, Heiko.

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Hello.

Good morning.

Heiko Ihle
Managing Director and Senior Metals & Mining Analyst, H.C. Wainwright

Sorry, I heard a random little beep when I spoke. You state that recent data indicated that the oversupply gap is gradually narrowing and that there are some early indications of maybe a touch more favorable market dynamics. Where exactly is this demand coming from? I mean, early on this call, you mentioned the Americas, if I heard you correctly. And we're now halfway through Q4. Is this impact going to be showing up in the Q4 results, or is this something that's maybe more of a 2025 thing?

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Francesco, can you?

Francesco D’Alessio
Chief Commercial Officer and President of Largo Clean Energy, Largo

Yep. Yep. So it's going to mainly show in next year's contracts, right? We're in the midst of contract season right now, and we're seeing the demand from mainly the aerospace sector. As you probably know, the U.S. market has several restrictions depending on the origin of the products. There's anti-dumping on Chinese ferrovanadium, anti-dumping on South African ferrovanadium, and high duties on Korean ferrovanadium, which puts Largo's ferrovanadium in an advantageous position for firm contracts for the steel sector in the U.S. And then, in addition to that, there's high demand, much higher demand from the forecast that we're receiving from our aerospace customers, which will be reflected in 2025 contracts for next year.

Heiko Ihle
Managing Director and Senior Metals & Mining Analyst, H.C. Wainwright

Got it. And then just a clarification on that supply, that vanadium supply agreement that you signed a couple of weeks ago. I mean, it's going to sound like a fairly large-scale thing. Just talk to me a little bit about, in your experience, how are prices for these agreements when compared to spot pricing? Is this a bit like in the uranium space where these agreements tend to trade at a premium since people want to ensure supply? Or is this just more or less market-based? Maybe not even this specific agreement, just in general.

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

You mean the agreement we signed recently for $23.5 million?

Heiko Ihle
Managing Director and Senior Metals & Mining Analyst, H.C. Wainwright

Yes. I mean, that's obviously one agreement, but there's presumably more of those coming.

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

At this particular time, this is the only agreement we have planned for something like this, and this will complement our shipments for Q4, where out of the 2,100 tons in this agreement, we're planning to ship a good chunk of that quantity during the fourth quarter, and the rest in here. So that will complement our sales and shipments for the fourth quarter. And this is, Heiko, this is the only agreement we have in place now. The rest of the agreements for 2025 will be standard sales to the steel industry and defense and aerospace industries. It will be normal agreements. Will that respond to your question?

Heiko Ihle
Managing Director and Senior Metals & Mining Analyst, H.C. Wainwright

Yeah, no, that's pretty good. And with that, I think I will get back in queue. Thank you.

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Thank you.

Heiko Ihle
Managing Director and Senior Metals & Mining Analyst, H.C. Wainwright

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Andrew Wong at RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Andrew Wong
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Hey, good morning. Can you just provide maybe a bit of an outlook on where you think prices could land in 2025, given some of the improvements that you've worked on?

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Francesco, can you get that question?

Francesco D’Alessio
Chief Commercial Officer and President of Largo Clean Energy, Largo

Yeah, I can take that, Daniel. Look, it's obviously a tricky question talking about pricing forecasts, right? If we had a crystal ball, obviously.

Andrew Wong
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

No, costs.

Francesco D’Alessio
Chief Commercial Officer and President of Largo Clean Energy, Largo

For sure. Prices in the market, for sure, you're going to see a two-tiered market. You're going to see higher prices in the U.S. for the reasons that I mentioned earlier, right? Mainly driven by the fact that it's limited in terms of origins that can come into the U.S. market. So that is already being reflected. If you look at the current CRU index versus Metal Bulletin index, you're seeing a disparity between the two markets. And then, obviously, the bulk of the aerospace volume is obviously done at a premium to the industry, right? So we are expecting a faster recovery in prices in the U.S. vis-à-vis Europe or the rest of the world, right?

Andrew Wong
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

What about on costs for 2025, given some of the operational efficiencies and improvements that you've worked on?

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Célio, can you take that question?

Célio Pereira
COO, Largo

Yeah, for sure. We keep moving in our turnaround and increasing our efficiencies at the mine. We are now having a very strong look at logistics and input supply. So we expect that the average cost of 2025 should be heading in the lower direction compared to this year.

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Okay. On the call side, we will continue with this trend of trying to finalize analysis of each of the contracts, concentrating ourselves on logistics. So there is still a way to go in this turnaround process that we started months ago. So we expect that the cost of production will continue to take the benefits of those adjustments and those analyses for next year.

Andrew Wong
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay, and just looking out a little bit here, when we look at the mine plan and the resources and what the deposits look like longer term, the grades come down. Campbell Pit is a lot higher grade. It's the best material, I think, that you have in your resource inventory. Does it still make sense to be depleting your best resource at relatively minimal profitability and prices today?

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Can you take that question, Célio?

Célio Pereira
COO, Largo

Yeah, thank you, Daniel. So we have added two new pits to our reserve base that we didn't have before. Campbell is our current pit that we mine. Of course, we have seen weaker prices in this last year. But our operational, our mining plan for Campbell goes until 2031, 2032. So it's a world-class asset with very high grades for the V2O5. And we believe that it's strategic to keep mining Campbell for now and for the next years until we are prepared to move to the lower-grade assets and reserves pits that we have in Maracás.

Andrew Wong
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from Gordon Lawson at Paradigm Capital. Please go ahead. Gordon, your line is open. Please proceed with your question.

Gordon Lawson
Analyst, Paradigm Capital

Sorry, I was on mute, so the beat on cash costs this quarter was pretty significant and really stands out. What should we expect going forward? You've already talked about what to expect in terms of beating this year, but how much should we add to cost for the ilmenite production on a per pound basis?

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Célio, can you take that question?

Célio Pereira
COO, Largo

Yes. If we consider that Ilmenite is a new revenue stream that we do in the ramp-up phase and optimize recoveries and production, I believe when we reach our full capacity at Ilmenite and optimize all of its processes, I think we'll be seeing the $0.30-$0.50 range in terms of vanadium production costs.

Gordon Lawson
Analyst, Paradigm Capital

That's quite cheap. So on that front, then, the $22 million investment to double the production of ilmenite seems like a rather low threshold. So what parameters are behind the sanctioning decision going in terms of lining up customers versus return on investment?

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Célio, can you take that question? And most of this is in the technical reporting, so we can get the information from there.

Célio Pereira
COO, Largo

Yes. Sorry, I didn't understand the investment side of the question. Can you please repeat?

Gordon Lawson
Analyst, Paradigm Capital

It seems rather inexpensive to double the production. I'm just wondering if this is an issue of lining up customers for the product or whether there's more to it beyond a simple ROI.

Célio Pereira
COO, Largo

Yeah. The strategy to double the production is linked with the vanadium side as well because the ilmenite is produced from our non-magnetic things from our current milling that produces the vanadium concentrate. So the strategy is linked with a 20%, actually, it's 33% expansion in our current kiln happening first. And then we will have, of course, an upgrade in the milling and crushing together with this queue expansion. And after that, we will have more material to process and do the full expansion of the ilmenite. So that's more because of the vanadium strategy. We also link this ilmenite strategy ramp-up and expansion in the future.

Gordon Lawson
Analyst, Paradigm Capital

So the grades of the pits beyond the Campbell Pit, that's obviously playing much more of a role than lining up the customers, as I stated?

Célio Pereira
COO, Largo

Yes, correct.

Gordon Lawson
Analyst, Paradigm Capital

Okay. Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, should you have any questions, please press star one. The next question comes from Gary Bryck at North Insight Asset Management. Please go ahead.

Gary Bryck
Analyst, North Insight Asset Management

Good morning. Could you tell me how much debt on the balance sheet is attributed to the Majorca storage facility? Could you discuss how it's working and whether you're generating any revenue from it? And could you compare that vanadium technology to other battery technologies that you may be competing with? And I have one other question, which I've asked for the last five years. Could you discuss the elasticity of demand for vanadium?

Daniel Tellechea
Interim CEO and Director, Largo

Yeah. Can you take that one, Francesco?

Francesco D’Alessio
Chief Commercial Officer and President of Largo Clean Energy, Largo

Yes, so elasticity for demand for vanadium, are you referring to a specific industry, or what would you like me to elaborate on?

Gary Bryck
Analyst, North Insight Asset Management

If you understand elasticity, maybe you could explain how prices would change if you, for example, reduced your production of vanadium.

Francesco D’Alessio
Chief Commercial Officer and President of Largo Clean Energy, Largo

Most of the vanadium market pricing is obviously driven by the two largest producing countries, right, which are Russia and China. So you can understand, obviously, that the current geopolitical situation has affected one of those origins. And then the current softness of the market in China has caused the price to drop this year, right? The exports from China have drastically increased. So if you look at the supply-demand dynamics, they're drastically affected by the exported units from the Chinese market, right? But our strategic positioning within the U.S. market is why we've diversified our strategy in going after a region that is not subject to those effects of the Chinese units, right?

Gary Bryck
Analyst, North Insight Asset Management

Maybe we can take this question offline. I don't think you understand it. Could you discuss how much debt is on your balance sheet attributable to the Majorca storage facility? Could you discuss how it's functioning? Could you discuss whether you're generating any revenue from it, whether you're generating any potential sales of new storage facilities? And could you discuss your vanadium storage technology to other storage technologies?

David Harris
CFO, Largo

Yeah. I'll take the first part. The question on the.

Francesco D’Alessio
Chief Commercial Officer and President of Largo Clean Energy, Largo

I'll take the first part. I'll take the second one. Yep.

David Harris
CFO, Largo

Yeah. Just on the debt. There's no debt on the balance sheet that relates to the battery storage facility in Majorca. That's all been self-funded, so there's no debt attributable to that. In terms of the project.

Gary Bryck
Analyst, North Insight Asset Management

Didn't you borrow $95 million to buy the technology in the first place?

David Harris
CFO, Largo

No. That's not correct.

Gary Bryck
Analyst, North Insight Asset Management

What is correct?

David Harris
CFO, Largo

The IP that we have that was acquired, that was acquired for approximately just over $4 million in 2020, and that was sort of a share non-cash purchase that was done at the time. Any other funds could have gone in. It's just been funding the LCE activities as a whole. In terms of the delivery of the project, I mean, as you'll note in our MD&A, the final tests and commissioning activities have not been completed, so the project has not been delivered in such that we have not recognized revenue from delivery of that project as at this time, but perhaps, Francesco, you can just comment a bit more in terms of the status of the ramp-up and commissioning of the Enel project.

Francesco D’Alessio
Chief Commercial Officer and President of Largo Clean Energy, Largo

Yep. Sure. So we replaced the inverter and the transformer, so those activities have been completed. And we're now undergoing the final FAT Factory Acceptance Testing for the final commissioning of the battery system. So we're in the final stages of final hot commissioning of the system.

Gary Bryck
Analyst, North Insight Asset Management

Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry. I thought you had this facility running two years ago, so that's a good update for me. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions. I will turn the call back over to Alex Guthrie for closing comments.

Alex Guthrie
Director of Investor Relations, Largo

Thank you, operator. This concludes our Q&A session of the quarterly call. Thank you, everyone, and have a great day. Bye now.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the conference for today. We thank you for participating, and we ask that you please disconnect your lines.

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