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Earnings Call: Q3 2019

Nov 6, 2019

Operator

Welcome everyone, to the Linamar Third quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press the pound key. Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Linda Hasenfratz. Please go ahead, ma'am.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter conference call. Joining me this afternoon are members of my executive team, Jim Jarrell, Dale Schneider, and Roger Fulton, and some members of our corporate marketing, finance, and legal team. Before I begin, I will draw your attention to the disclaimer currently being broadcast. I will start off with sales, earnings, and content. Sales for the quarter were CAD 1.74 billion, down from last year, but again, meaningfully outperforming markets. Global vehicle markets were down 3.2%, and a key customer was on strike for 10 days. But despite such, our transportation segment actually increased 0.5% in sales, and boom sales again outperformed a strongly declining market in both North America and Europe by a significant factor.

Tough declines in the European and North American scissor market, well in the double digits, and declines as well in the North American combine market also put pressure on our top line, making a decline of 5.3%, actually quite good performance. It is important to note that the combined market declines, in particular, are highly correlated to the trade and tariff war with China, and in the event of such getting resolved, we would expect to see that market bounce back quite quickly based on the pent-up demand that we see out there. Operating earnings were CAD 139.2 million, normalized for balance sheet exchange impacts and any unusual items, down 18.9% over last year. A key factor driving our performance in the quarter was our strong launches in the transportation segment, gaining traction and working through transition challenges.

A few factors were a challenge this quarter and hurt our results. First, lower sales at MacDon, due to tariff and trade issues, poor crop conditions, stagnant commodity prices, and an unusually strong Q3 in 2018, as well as the timing of 2020 model year release, which has shifted some product sales into Q4. Secondly, we saw Skyjack sales decline. Third, we saw global market declines in the light vehicle segment and of course, the first 10 days of the GM strike. And finally, we saw continued impact of launches, which although improved, are still suppressing margins as we are not yet at full volume on those programs. Normalized net earnings as a % of sales in Q3 were 5.5%, down from last year due to those factors.

On the positive side, our overall normalized EBITDA performance remained strong at 14% of sales, strong performance in comparison to most of our peers. In North America, content per vehicle reached $155.88, down a little from last year in a flat market marked by the GM strike, but up a little from what was reported last quarter. Q3 automotive sales in North America, as a result, were down slightly over Q3 last year at CAD 691.9 million. In Europe, content per vehicle for the quarter was $83.49, up a little over last year and up over last quarter as well, thanks to launching business in the region in a market that was up 0.9%.

Q3 automotive sales in Europe, as a result, were up 1.1% over last year at CAD 389.8 million. In Asia Pacific, content per vehicle for the quarter was CAD 10.06, up 6.9% from last year and up from last quarter on launching business. The market in Asia Pacific was down 4.5%, but content growth drove our Q3 automotive sales in Asia up 2.1% versus last year to reach CAD 112.4 million. Asia will be a significant growth area for us over the next several years, with 50% growth over current sales levels booked already by 2023. Much of the growth is coming from electrified vehicle program launches, as might be expected, given the strong focus for new energy vehicles in China.

Already, 12% of booked business is for electrified vehicles in our China business, and in some plants, reaches nearly a third of their total book. Similarly, EV programs represented nearly a third of our high potential business wins in the region. It's great to see continued content per vehicle growth in the quarter in most regions, reflecting our increasing market share, thanks to large amounts of launching business. Market share growth is key to accelerating growth when volumes start to pick up. Other automotive sales not captured in these content calculations were CAD 97.3 million, up over last year, due mainly to increased cooling sales.

Commercial and industrial sales were down 21.9% in the quarter at CAD 448.6 million versus CAD 574.1 million last year, due to lower MacDon sales, driven by, as noted, trade and tariff concerns and timing on new products launching this year and that very strong Q3 last year, as well as lower scissor and boom sales at Skyjack, owing to market declines, partially offset by boom market share growth in North America and Europe. As mentioned, the timing of 2020 model year release has shifted some sales to Q4 from Q3 at MacDon this year, so expect a bit of an uptick on sales in Q4 from Q3 just for MacDon, which is not seasonally normal.

Investing in our future continues to be a priority for us at Linamar, but given economic uncertainties, we are using a very disciplined approach around capital expenditures. CapEx in the quarter was CAD 158.5 million, but CAD 122.4 million or 7% of sales if I net out the purchases related to the dissolution of our Montupet JV in India. In the quarter, we came to an agreement with our JV partner in India to part ways, and in doing so, each take one of the two plants in the JV. We took over the Dewas plant, which is the newer of the two facilities, which required a top-up to our partner regarding recent capital expenditures. I removed it from both CapEx and our free cash flow calculations as it isn't normal operational CapEx.

We still expect 2019 to see lower CapEx than 2018, and to be at the low end of our normal 6%-8% range. 2020 will see a similar picture of spending at the low end of our normal range. We've had a good quarter in terms of adjusted free cash flow, with CAD 90 million cash generated. Net debt stayed fairly steady to Q2 levels at CAD 1.94 billion, and our net debt to EBITDA at 1.75, due to cash spent on our buyback program, the takeover of the Dewas plant, and dividends. We expect leverage to be under 1.5 times by the end of the year, a little higher than our original target, due to these same cash uses, as well as continued cash impact of the GM strike in Q4.

We expect to be under 1x next year based on continued strong and positive cash flows. We have repaid CAD 223 million of debt since our peak in Q1 of last year, despite soft markets. Great evidence, I think, of Linamar's excellent cash control. Leverage of under 1.5x EBITDA will be achieved thanks to the continued excellent free cash flow we're expecting to generate through year-end. We continue to expect to generate between CAD 500 million and CAD 700 million of free cash flow this year, thanks to still strong earnings, lower CapEx, and a focused non-cash working capital improvement program. Non-cash working capital as a % of sales was up in Q3, as we normally see seasonally. We expect to see a significant decline in Q4.

Turning to a market outlook, we are seeing soft markets in most areas this year and next. Industry is predicting declining light vehicle volumes globally again this year, to 16.3 million, 21.2 million, and 46 million vehicles in North America, Europe, and Asia, respectively. 2019 represents the second consecutive year of global vehicle volume declines and the third year of declines in North America. Next year, we'll see flat volumes of ±1% to 2%, depending on the region, resulting in global growth resuming. Industry experts are predicting on-highway, medium, heavy truck volumes to be flat to moderately growing this year in North America and Europe at 2.6% and -1.4%, respectively, but declining in Asia. Next year, declines are expected in both North America and Asia, with Europe staying flat.

Off-highway, medium-duty, and heavy-duty volumes are in a bit of a holding pattern, thanks to trade issues and a hold up on the infrastructure spending bill in the U.S. Turning to the access market, the industry is expecting mid-single-digit declines in core North American and European markets for aerial work platforms this year. Performance is being driven by declines in scissors and booms in both North America and Europe this year, offset by growth in the telehandler market. Industry consolidation, tariff-driven higher construction costs and uncertainties, and Brexit issues in the key U.K. market are the key drivers of these forecasts. Next year, we will see continued declines in the scissor and boom market in both Europe and North America, and some minor softness in telehandlers, resulting in high single digit declines in the market overall for 2020. Skyjack's backlog is softer than last year as a result.

Expect mid- to high-single-digit declines for Skyjack this year and next. Turning to the agricultural market, the industry expectation is for a declining combine header market in the double digits this year in North America, thanks again to tariffs and political backlash, hurting North American farmers and therefore dampening demand, particularly in soybean and canola, and particularly in Canada. Europe, South America, and Australia are also expected to decline in double digits this year. MacDon continues to build market share to offset market declines, but nevertheless, we will see sales down in low single digits for 2019, despite the extra month of sales and a similar performance for 2020, unless we see an easy resolution to the political situation.

Lower light vehicle performance in the first half of the year has shifted to a flattening to prior year performance in Q3 in most markets globally, but flat to down performance expected globally in Q4, most notably in North America, due mainly to the GM strike. Current forecasts show a global trough of production in 2019 and growth resuming in 2020 in most regions at this point. North American production is also now expected to be at its trough in 2019 and starting to grow in 2020. In North America, down cycles have typically lasted 4 years on average, with declines of between 1% and 5% each year of that decline period.

If IHS is correct, this will be a 3-year down cycle in North America, ending this year, with a trough 9% down from the last peak in 2016 and growth resuming in 2020. I think a key difference to prior cycle downs is that we did not head in with high interest rates and high unemployment, which is a positive and likely will mean a shallower trough than seen in the past as predicted. We continue to keep a close eye on these forecasts, and we'll provide another mid-quarter update to you on our website in the coming months for the latest information. Turning to an update on growth and outlook, we're seeing strong levels of new business wins and a strong book of business being quoted in our transportation business.

Q3 was another great quarter for us in terms of new business wins for our transportation business, with quite a few notable strategic wins driven by outsourcing of new electrified platforms and continued acceleration of powertrain outsourcing, which is very exciting. In fact, sales to electrified vehicles will grow between 2019 and 2023, a fantastic 10 times for a compound annual growth rate of over 70%. Sales to these future-focused vehicles will be nearly CAD 1.2 billion by that time, and in terms of content per vehicle, will already in 2023 be at the level we were at in internal combustion engine vehicles only a few years ago. Our addressable market across a range of vehicle propulsion types continues to look excellent. Global vehicle growth is forecast to grow at a compound annual rate of 1%-2% over the next 25 years.

Each type of vehicle propulsion offers excellent and growing potential for us, and our suite of products for each continues to develop and to grow. The total addressable market for us today is more than CAD 120 billion, growing to more than CAD 300 billion in the future, an increase of nearly 2.5 times. We have 178 programs in launch at Linamar today. Look for ramping volumes on launching transmission, engine, and driveline parts for us to reach 30%-40% of mature levels this year. These programs will peak at more than CAD 4.4 billion in sales. We saw a shift of about CAD 85 million of programs that moved from launch to production last quarter, which was more than offset by our new business wins.

The programs shifted to production this year so far have incremental growth compared to last year of about CAD 55 million. That means total launches for this year will be in the CAD 625 million-CAD 675 million range. Next year, we will see growth in these programs of 60%-70%, which means incremental sales from launches of more than CAD 1 billion for 2020. In addition, as noted, we are now looking at mid- to high single-digit declines at Skyjack this year and next. MacDon, as noted, will see low single-digit declines to sales unless we see a speedy resolution to the political situation. On a positive note, 2019 corn head orders for North America have increased significantly since MacDon took over branding, sales, and distribution of the Oros product.

In fact, more than four times, which is great to see and testament to the fantastic brand name and reputation that MacDon has developed here in North America. Be sure to temper that growth with the loss of business that naturally ends each year, noting to expect that at the high end of our normal range of 5%-10%, both this year and next, as well, of course, as normal productivity givebacks. So to summarize expectations for the top line this year, our strong backlog of launching business will offset market softness in both the industrial and transportation segments, resulting in flat to low single-digit declines in sales compared to last year. Next year, we'll see growth pick up, thanks to continued strong launches and more stable markets, to see single-digit top-line growth.

On the margin side, with pressures in both segments, we expect to see margin contraction in both, heading to mid to the low end of the range for both industrial and transportation. Next year, we will see margin expansion in the transportation segment as we get to the other side of the transition to next-generation platforms, and global growth of vehicles will resume. But industrial will stay steady at the mid to low range in terms of margins. The GM strike and deterioration in industrial markets will push margins down a little further to a range of 6.25%-6.75% for the year. Flat sales and margin contraction, of course, are going to result in double-digit declines in normalized operating earnings this year, but single-digit declines in normalized EBITDA.

Next year, we expect double-digit normalized operating earning and EBITDA growth, thanks to sales growth and margin expansion in the transportation segment. Looking specifically at Q4, be sure to account for the 20 working days of GM strike in the quarter that will have a significant impact on the transportation segment that otherwise you might expect to have a similar performance to Q3. Otherwise, expect seasonal slowdowns at Skyjack, but a possible uptick in MacDon sales from new products, as noted earlier, that would temper the normal Q4 versus Q3 declines somewhat. I'd like to highlight a couple of our more interesting business wins this quarter. First, we had another solid quarter in battery electric vehicle components in China. This time, for several gearbox components. Start of production for most of these components is in 2023....

Secondly, we are continuing to build strong partnerships with our Japanese customers, who are increasingly interested in a broader range of component supply from Linamar. This product is a front support for a transmission that is capped and machined and is a new product for us with this customer. Start of production is in 2021. We're starting to see some activity again in the commercial vehicle segment after several years of light business opportunities. We picked up several wins, representing an aggregate nearly $50 million in annual sales. We also saw several wins for structural components in the quarter, such as the ones pictured here. Lightweight cast structural parts are a key element to vehicle weight reduction, which is key to improving efficiency, particularly in electric vehicles.

Another exciting area of development over the last 6 months or so has been the evolution of takeover work from suppliers failing, mainly on the financial side. We're seeing stress in the supply base, mainly in Europe, where volumes were hit hard a year ago, thanks to WLTP, and have not recovered, and a difficult transition as well from diesel to gas vehicles. We have won to date more than CAD 200 million in takeover work, all due to start up inside of the next 12 months. Takeover work is the silver lining of industry downturns and one that Linamar has always been very successful at winning, thanks to our responsive, nimble approach to these opportunities. Business that we've won thus far includes balance shaft assemblies, connecting rods, heads, blocks, and parking gears.

Turning to an innovation update, we continue to invest in innovation in each of our key businesses. First, I think an area of development and design we're most proud of is our eAxle gearbox products. Our designs for these products are so critical, that are so critical to the future of propulsion, have gone through a consistent level of evolution. We've continually refined the designs and started to specialize the designs as well for particular applications. As an example, design evolution has allowed us to really push the limits of power density optimization, which was key in lining us up for a pending production win for a high-performance vehicle application. Other advanced features developed include park lock systems, disconnect systems, and multi-speed gearboxes. We've also evolved our eAxle innovation to the commercial vehicle market.

We've developed a series of products for a couple of high-profile test vehicle applications for mid-size, as well as larger commercial vehicles you can see pictured here. We've also been doing a lot of work in the area of additive manufacturing or 3D printing. Our focus is in two key areas. First, optimizing tooling and gauging functionality, as depicted here. Printing, tooling, and gauging can offer unique opportunities in terms of tool function, cooling, and strength, all of which improve throughput and quality of production. The second obvious application is in prototyping and rapid part development. Being able to rapidly create printed versions of part designs means we can move more quickly to test and optimize the design based on those results. And that means we can really accelerate the time to market for critical products, such as our eAxle development.

Finally, we are nearing completion on our new innovation center, the iHub, in Guelph, where we will be housing our new manufacturing partnerships and other longer-term innovation projects. We also continue to make considerable progress on our broad digitization initiative, summarized on this slide. We are rapidly transforming our shop floor to be more efficient, more proactive and reactive, safer, and more connected, and in the process, create more exciting career opportunities for our employees. There's a huge amount of opportunity in these technologies to dramatically improve the efficiencies of our operations, both on the shop floor as well as the back office, which we can deploy on a global basis. In other areas of our operations, our plants continue to perform well, both on mature business metrics and in terms of launch. Our launch systems are excellent, and plant controls world-class.

In terms of new plants, we're making great progress on our three key expansion projects that are underway right now. Our new state-of-the-art facility in Hungary to house a significant eAxle gearbox program is complete. We've started moving equipment into the facility to continue launch preparation. The project starts into production late next year. The expansion of our fabrication facility, also in Hungary, to accommodate growing corn head sales and also to house the European requirements of Skyjack, is also essentially complete. Expanding production of Skyjack to Europe is an important element in accelerating market share growth in the region. Finally, the expansion of another facility in China is also complete. This facility will also take on a major eAxle program, which also launches next year.

Just last week, we had the chance to visit China and celebrate with employees, customers, and local officials the official launch of both this facility and our new casting plant in the region. Also in the quarter, as mentioned earlier, we made a decision to dissolve our Indian JV partnership, Jaya Hind. Each partner took one facility. We kept the newer facility, which is located in Dewas, in central India. We went from 50% of two plants to 100% of one plant. The financial implications of the transaction are not material to our P&L.... With that, I'm gonna turn it over to our CFO, Dale Schneider, to lead us through a more in-depth financial review. Dale?

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

Thank you, Linda, and good afternoon, everyone. As Linda noted, Q3 was a great quarter for cash generation that led to significant debt repayments as we generated CAD 90 million in free cash flow in the quarter. With global light vehicle markets down 3.2%, the North American and European scissor boom markets down sharply, and the North American combine markets down significantly as well, Linamar was able to outperform our markets with sales declines of only 5.3%. For the quarter, sales were CAD 1.74 billion, down CAD 97.3 million from CAD 1.84 billion last year. Normalized operating earnings for the quarter were CAD 139.2 million. This compares to CAD 171.6 million in Q3 last year, a decrease of CAD 32.4 million or 18.9%.

Earnings were normalized for FX losses related to the revaluation of the balance sheet and restructuring charges. These items impacted normalized EPS by CAD 0.03 per share. Normalized net earnings decreased CAD 24.9 million or 20.6% in the quarter to CAD 96.2 million. As a result, fully diluted normalized EPS decreased by CAD 0.36 or 19.7% to CAD 1.47. Included in earnings for the quarter was a foreign exchange gain of CAD 5.7 million, which related to a CAD 6.2 million dollar gain on the revaluation of operating balances and a CAD 500,000 dollar loss on the revaluation of our financing balances. The net FX loss impacted the quarter's EPS by CAD 0.07.

From a business segment perspective, the Q3 FX gain due to the revaluation of operating balances of CAD 6.2 million was a result of a CAD 500,000 loss in industrial and a CAD 6.7 million gain in transportation. Further looking at the segments, industrial sales decreased by 21.5% or CAD 102-104.2 million to CAD 380.6 million in the quarter. The sales decrease in the quarter was primarily due to the lower agricultural sales due to the poor crop conditions, the stagnant commodity prices, and the ongoing trade disputes between the U.S. and China. It was also further reduced by lower volumes in access equipment in Europe and North America, as certain key customers adjusted their 2019 capital spend in light of the uncertainty in the market.

Normalized industrial operating in the quarter decreased CAD 45.5 million or 53.7% over last year. The primary drivers of the industrial operating earnings results were the impact of the net lower volumes in both access and ag, as I just discussed. Turning to the transportation, sales increased by CAD 6.9 million over Q3 last year to reach CAD 1.36 billion. The sales increase in the third quarter was primarily driven by the additional sales from launching programs, partially offset by lower volumes as a result of certain programs that are naturally coming to an end, the impact of the GM strike, and unfavorable FX impact of the changes in FX rates since last year. Normalized operating earnings for transportation were higher by CAD 13.1 million or 15.1% over last year.

In the quarter, transportation earnings were impacted by the additional sales from launching programs, lower management costs, and a favorable FX impact on operating expenses due to the changes in rates since last year. These were partially offset by lower volumes from ending programs, the impact of the GM strike, and higher amortization on launching programs. Returning to the overall Linamar results, the gross margin was CAD 230.1 million, a decrease of CAD 44.4 million, due primarily to the reduction in earnings related to the industrial volume and market declines, the additional amortization on the launching programs, partially offset by the earnings impact of higher launches, net of the GM strike and ending programs. COGS amortization expense for the third quarter was CAD 99.1 million.

COGS amortization as a percent of sales increased to 5.7%, mainly due to launching programs and the adoption of the new leasing standards in Q1. SG&A costs decreased in the quarter to CAD 94.3 million from CAD 103 million. The decrease is mainly due to lower management costs, net of the restructuring costs that were incurred in the quarter. Financial expenses decreased CAD 800,000 since last year, primarily due to the impact of the lower debt levels, the lower interest as a result of the cross-currency interest rate swaps on the euro-denominated debt, which was partially offset by lower interest on our cash- lower cash balances and lower long-term AR balances, and the higher interest rate costs from the Bank of Canada rate hikes since Q3 2018.

On a consolidated basis, the effective interest rate for Q3 decreased to 2.8%, primarily due to the lower debt levels and the interest rate swaps on the euro debt. Effective tax for the third quarter increased to 23.8% compared to last year, which is mainly driven by the increase in non-deductible expenses, including one-time tax costs related to the repatriation of earnings from our foreign subsidiaries. We are expecting the 2019 full year effective tax rate to remain at the high end of our range of 22%-24%. Linamar's cash position was CAD 394.8 million on September 30, a decrease of CAD 29.8 million compared to September last year.

Third quarter generated CAD 214.9 million in cash from operating activities, which is used mainly to fund CapEx, debt repayments, and share buybacks. This resulted in free cash flow generation of CAD 90 million in the quarter. Net debt to EBITDA increased to 1.75 times in the quarter, despite net debt improving by CAD 129 million dollars, which was a result of the lower EBITDA. We expect net debt to EBITDA to be under 1.5 times by the end of 2019, due to the impacts of the soft markets and the GM strike. The amount of our available credit on our credit facilities was CAD 704 million at the end of the quarter.

To recap, Linamar had a great cash generation quarter, and sales outperformed the declines in the light vehicle, scissors, and combine markets that we serve. In the quarter, we generated CAD 90 million in free cash flow, which was used to pay down debt and fund share buybacks. Linamar was able to maintain a strong normalized EBITDA margin of 14%, even with these tough market conditions. That concludes my commentary, and I'd now like to open it up for questions.

Operator

At this time, I would like to remind everyone, if you would like to ask a question, please press star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from the line of Kevin Chiang with CIBC.

Kevin Chiang
Director of Institutional Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

Hi, good afternoon, and thanks for taking my question. Maybe if I could just focus on the industrial segment here. Obviously, a softer outlook based on what you've laid out. I think you generally have, you know, a view to grow your business ahead of the market, but wondering, are you seeing more price competition given the softer outlook? And, you know, how do you look at that top line growth relative to protecting margins if you are facing more irrational competition, let's call it?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Yeah, I'll just make a few comments, and I'm gonna hand it over to James to talk a little bit about pricing. But absolutely, the goal with both MacDon and Skyjack is to grow market share to offset market softness, and I think that is a strategy that we have very consistently executed on. Skyjack, the booms in particular, we continue to grow our market share in our core markets of North America and Europe, and that makes a big difference in offsetting. Obviously, it's not enough to offset the pretty significant double-digit declines that we're seeing, but it absolutely helps to temper that. And the good news is, when volumes start to pick up, we'll have a stronger market share, and that helps to accelerate the growth at that time. Same thing at MacDon.

I mean, we're seeing growth in market share in Europe, for instance, which is helping to offset the declines we're seeing in North America, but again, of course, not enough to fully offset them. Hi, James.

Jim Jarrell
President, Linamar

Yeah, I would say on the, pricing side, it's very aggressive, today. And I would think overall, the market, decrease, I think, came quicker than ourselves and probably our competitors. If you take a look at some of the competitor news as well, that it sort of got fast forward. So the undercutting of pricing on different, contract potentials is certainly a huge thing that's going on today, in Skyjack. And I would say with, Skyjack as well, we've got some really interesting and new launches that are coming out in regards to, you know, rough terrain and booms as well. So I think, you know, we're gonna have a refreshed product line. From MacDon side, again, the launches that we have, we've got a couple new things that are coming in the marketplace as well.

And certainly, I think some of the key issues Linda mentioned is sort of the market uncertainties that are out there for sure. I think the farmer sentiment right now is pretty low, and certainly the weather, you know, has created poor yield conditions, you know, in different regions.

Kevin Chiang
Director of Institutional Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

That's helpful. And maybe just following up on that. Given the outlook, it sounds like you're still investing in R&D and obviously investing in your product line here. But is there an opportunity to throttle some of that back if the outlook is soft for the remainder of this year and into 2020, and then maybe pushing out some of that CapEx into maybe future years when maybe demand looks a little bit better, or are you committed to the investments that you decided to make a year ago for these lines?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

I mean, certainly we have reduced costs wherever we could. I mean, we've absolutely been doing that since we've started seeing the market soften up. I think to dial back on important R&D expenditures to drive innovation and market share is a mistake. I think that that's the kind of short-term kind of focus that we try to avoid, that look at the long term. If we continue to invest, then we have better product, and that helps us to grow market share, and I do think that is quite important to do. We don't have a lot of capital expenditures at either MacDon or Skyjack. It's really more, you know, on the PNL in terms of R&D expenses that are not capitalized.

So, you know, it's not like we've got a lot of CapEx going on that we can avoid.

Jim Jarrell
President, Linamar

Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. The CapEx is, is fairly minimal when you take a look at the overall Linamar picture. And, you know, we would invest into fixtures and paint cells and racks and things like that. We're pretty, pretty low on the totem pole on CapEx. But certainly, I think without having these launches, I mean, every launch that we do at MacDon is all about improvement of yield for the farmer. So if we delay those, then you're, you're up against the competition that's always trying to, you know, go after that. And I would say the same on Skyjack. You know, you've got to have that product ready in the marketplace. The whole ANSI, you know, launch is critical in the marketplace. That's a new specification that all aerial work platforms need to have. So you have to do those things.

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

Yeah. Keep in mind that in the short run, our focus has been on controlling our variable costs and reducing those where we can. Given that the market softness is extending out longer, we are now looking at plans on how to reduce other fixed costs.

Jim Jarrell
President, Linamar

Yeah.

Kevin Chiang
Director of Institutional Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

That's helpful. Just maybe the last one for me. You want to look at your outlook. You have pointed out some deterioration in your earnings profile, but you've kept your free cash flow guide of CAD 500 million-CAD 700 million. Just wondering how that flows through if earnings are coming a little bit lower than you expected three months ago, you know, you know, what are the drivers that allow you to keep that free cash flow, that free cash flow guidance static here?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Yeah. I mean, a big part of the improvement of the strong cash flow is coming out of non-cash working capital, and we've got several key initiatives that we are in the process of executing on that we feel will be quite material in that regard.

Jim Jarrell
President, Linamar

I think in addition, as the CapEx side, as you referenced on the transportation side, there's always opportunity there to push out CapEx and look at utilization. If one line is down, and we can take a piece of equipment, we're going to micromanage that and use the equipment.

Kevin Chiang
Director of Institutional Equity Research, CIBC Capital Markets

That's very helpful. Thank you for taking my questions.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mark Neville with Scotiabank.

Mark Neville
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

Hi, thanks. Good afternoon. Maybe just to stay on the free cash discussion. Again, I just want to confirm, I guess, if my math is correct, it would imply about CAD 250 million of free cash flow in Q4. Is that right?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

We do have a significant expectation around cash flow generation.

Mark Neville
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

Okay. Um-

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Normally, I will point out that normally, Q4 does already have a seasonal strong cash flow compared to Q3. Q3 non-cash levels are typically higher, just given the dynamics of the quarter, and Q4 normally already has an improvement. And then you layer on top of that some of these initiatives that we're talking about.

Mark Neville
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

These, the working capital initiatives, these are sort of permanent structural changes, correct?

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

Yes, that is correct.

Mark Neville
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

Would this all be done by the end of 2019, or would there be more sort of working capital coming out next year? And if so, is it a material amount or sort of just-

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

Yeah, most of it will be implemented in 2019. We are looking at possible other initiatives for 2020 that might make further improvements, but nothing's been finalized on that yet.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

But nevertheless, we do still anticipate to again have very strong and positive free cash flow in 2020.

Mark Neville
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

Okay. Maybe, just on the GM strike, again, it's about 20 days, I think, in Q4. I think you previously said about $1 million of earnings per day. But I'm just curious, is there any expectation that sort of some of the loss production from Q3 or Q4 gets made up in Q4 or even into Q1?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Yeah, I think that you shouldn't expect much to be made up in Q4. I mean, it takes... You know, first of all, we were down for a whole month of Q4, and it's only really starting to get ramped back up. I mean, not, not everything's even back up yet. And furthermore, a lot of the key plants that we supply are already running six or seven days, so at GM, I mean. So there isn't much chance of them catching up very quickly. So although they will be trying to catch up, I think it's unlikely that that'll happen in Q4, and more likely that we'll see it in the first half of next year.

Jim Jarrell
President, Linamar

Yeah, and then also, not everything is all back up and running as of today. And there is, as Linda said, some talk about trying to catch up a little bit in Q1 next year.

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

And keep in mind, to Linda's comment on timing for the rest of the quarter, you do have American Thanksgiving and Christmas break, so there really is only like a month and a half left of the quarter.

Mark Neville
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

Right. Okay, and again, that would still be the, again, CAD 1 million roughly per days, as you previously called out. So we just use that as a ballpark number?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Yes.

Mark Neville
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

Okay. Maybe just one last one. Just on the industrial, sales were down, I think, 20% this quarter. EBIT was down roughly 50%. I think next year, you're calling for sort of roughly mid-single-digit declines, sort of on a combined basis for Skyjack-MacDon, but flat margin. So just curious, just if you could speak to some of the levers you have at your disposal to sort of protect margins, you know, in Q4 and even into next year, I guess, you know, over the longer term versus what happened in Q3?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

... Yeah. So, I mean, as noted earlier, we are actively looking to cost reduce where we can, both on the variable side and also to the extent that we can on the fixed side. So that will help the picture for next year. We're expecting, as you mentioned, mid to high single-digit decline at Skyjack, but low single-digit decline at MacDon. So it's, MacDon should not be declining as steeply. But I mean, it's all obviously gonna be dependent on what happens on the political front.

Jim Jarrell
President, Linamar

I think, the other thing I would say is, when we hit these volume issues, that the natural action for us to rightsize our workforce and take fixed costs down, so that's sort of a natural thing that we would do. And the team's been focused on that since, you know, the volume reduction took place.

Mark Neville
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

All right. I guess just, I don't know if this is a tough one to answer, but if we did get a U.S.-China trade deal, and obviously, that was, the core of that was around ag, like, how quickly, sort of would your demand pick back up? Just, I'm just not sure about the sales cycle, and, you know, if we get something late this year or early next year, would it actually help next year, or would it be more 2021, the sales line?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

I think it's—I mean, it's obviously very difficult to predict, and it's all gonna depend on the timing of when that, you know, when that resolution comes and where does that fit in with the, you know, the harvesting schedule and, you know, when farmers are out actively buying. So there's a lot of factors at play. But what we do know is there's pent-up demand. I mean, we were just coming off of a cyclical low in the ag industry, and things were just starting to pick back up when the trade tariff situation evolved. So we know there's pent-up demand in the industry, and our sense is that there will be a pickup that should happen reasonably quickly.

Mark Neville
Director of Equity Research, Scotiabank

Okay. Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Peter Sklar with the BMO Capital Markets.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

First, I have a question on Skyjack. I believe that you, you know, traditionally have provided financing for, I guess it's more for the independent customers. How is credit looking, and are you having any issues there?

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

No. So far, we haven't had any issues, but as you may remember, Q3 last year, we put a AR financing deal in place. So all of our new sales are actually flowing through that financing deal, rather than our balance sheet.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay.

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

So right now, we're focusing on, as you know, those deals tend to be 3- to 5-year deals, so we are just draining our long-term AR as we're getting paid by our customers over the next number of years.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

But it does take time, obviously, for that to play out because there is long-term AR that's in place from before that deal was put in.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Right. And just to confirm, I believe there's no reserves established for the long-term AR.

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

No material reserves, that's for sure.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Yeah. Okay. The next thing is, on this, I think it's CAD 200 million of takeover work you announced. Like, how does that work? Like, do you have to inherit their tooling, or do you have the opportunity to design and source your own tooling?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

It really depends on the situation. Sometimes we take over equipment and/or tooling from the suppliers. Sometimes we tool it up totally on our own equipment that maybe we have available, or that we're bringing in, so it really depends on the situation.

Jim Jarrell
President, Linamar

Yeah, it depends on the OEM, if it's disclosed in the market. If it's a financial issue, usually the OEM is actively involved with the supplier, and then they would ask us to come in and look at, can they use the capital, pay for the capital? And as Linda said, it could be a blend. I mean, it could be a blend between our used equipment, Peter, and their equipment and new equipment, you know, because they're looking for the best price at the time.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Right. Okay. And, like, on this takeover work, like, is it more that these other suppliers have become insolvent, or is it their quality and delivery has deteriorated, or is it all of the above?

Jim Jarrell
President, Linamar

Mainly financial, what we're seeing, and I would say mainly from the region of Europe, would be the major stuff we're seeing to date. And it's pretty well around the financials. We do see at times a little bit on quality, but I'd say right now, most of this takeover work is based off the financials.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Yeah, don't forget, Europe. It's been a tough slog in Europe over the last year. I mean, volumes really plummeted in Q3 of last year and basically have not recovered. I mean, as you saw, volumes were fractionally up from last year in Europe this year, when last year was, you know, disastrous from a volume perspective. So it's been a tough year. It's also, as I was mentioning, you know, been a tough time in terms of transitioning from diesel vehicles to gas vehicles, so that put pressure on some suppliers more so than others, who were maybe a little more diesel-focused than the next guy. So...

And also, like, I'd say in general, European suppliers have had sort of a tougher last 6-7 years than we've seen in North America because they've been a little up and down on the volume side. Volumes have been, or rather, margins have been a little thinner, so they didn't have as much of a buffer to be able to withstand the kind of volatility that they've had to deal with in the last year. That's why we're seeing so many insolvencies in the region.

Jim Jarrell
President, Linamar

... And the sense I think we're seeing today is this; this may continue, just based off some of the information that we're hearing and some of the things that we're seeing.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay. And then my last question, I just wanted to address your global vehicle forecast for 2020. I believe you said in your introductory comments, Linda, that you're looking for 2019 to be the trough year, and then you're looking for back to global growth in 2020. I'm just wondering, where does that forecast come from? Is that the IHS forecast, or do you have, does Linamar have its own views?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

That's the IHS forecast.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Okay.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Yeah, so I tend to quote industry expectations in my formal comments, and that is exactly what IHS is forecasting.

Peter Sklar
Equity Research Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Right. Okay, thank you very much.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Okay.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Morrison with TD Securities.

Brian Morrison
Vice President and Director, TD Securities

Hi, good evening. I just want to follow that line. I wanted to ask a question on the industrial margins, but that was addressed. But going along the transportation margins, your expectation for expansion in 2020, can you maybe just talk about the key drivers? I assume it's unit volumes and and lower launch costs and the maturing programs. But, maybe you could just tell us in order of importance, how those rank, and then can you increase your, your margins in a declining unit volume environment?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Yeah. So, we just did increase our margins in a declining unit volume environment. So yes, we can do that. Number two, in terms of the increase next year, the primary source for that is launches getting up to a higher level of utilization. So you're just climbing up that launch curve, getting through this transition time frame that I've been describing over the last few quarters of, you know, new programs not running at optimal levels and old programs not running at optimal levels. So we're seeing a little more better utilization of equipment, better levels of volume, and therefore, better margins on the launching programs. That's what drove margins and earnings up this quarter. I mean, transportation segment earnings are up 15% in a down market.

You know, that's, that's a big driver, and that will continue to happen next year.

Brian Morrison
Vice President and Director, TD Securities

To be fair, one quarter doesn't make a trend. On an annual basis, the margins are down.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Right.

Brian Morrison
Vice President and Director, TD Securities

I think your point is you can increase margins next year in a declining unit volume environment.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Uh, yes.

Jim Jarrell
President, Linamar

Yes. Yeah, I think Linda's point is very valid on the launches, right? I mean, we've been sort of in a place of old technology that has been basically half the volume, and now it's starting to go the other way, where the new technology programs are starting to ramp up higher. So the launch costs are reduced, and the margins should be better on those.

Brian Morrison
Vice President and Director, TD Securities

Gotcha.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Don't forget, we've been talking for the last couple of quarters about the fact that we did expect to see margins improving and the transportation segment improving in the back half of this year. So it's this transition is evolving as we had envisioned.

Brian Morrison
Vice President and Director, TD Securities

Okay, fair enough. Just one housekeeping item, Dale. Your free cash flow, the CAD 90 million, I assume that you derive that by adding back CAD 45 million from the JV dissolution?

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

Yes, it's calculated off our balance sheet, and yes, then we adjust for the day loss dissolution cost.

Brian Morrison
Vice President and Director, TD Securities

Does that cash actually show up on your balance sheet or no?

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

Does the cash? You mean-

Brian Morrison
Vice President and Director, TD Securities

The CAD 45 million differential.

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

Well, there is a cash payment, yes, and that would have impacted our balance sheet.

Brian Morrison
Vice President and Director, TD Securities

It's been received?

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

No, that was a payment. We paid our JV partners because we bought the newer plant, and they got the older plant and the older equipment.

Brian Morrison
Vice President and Director, TD Securities

Okay. Okay, I don't see the free cash flow being in that calculation, but maybe we can talk about it offline.

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

Okay.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Raj Singhal with Arrow Securities .

Raj Singhal
Fund Analyst, Arrow Securities

Hi, Linda. I just want to ask a question regarding the share buyback. Actually, I was seeing the MD&A, and in that, the share buyback is 715,000. But I was looking at the outstanding shares, it has reduced by only 115,000. And my second question is regarding MacDon earning, and out of the CAD 39 million operating earning, how much is related to MacDon earning?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

So on the second question, we don't provide a breakdown on the industrial earnings as to what's Skyjack and what's MacDon. Second, first question around the buyback. So we spent CAD 22 million in the quarter on share buyback, but I didn't quite understand your question. Your—there's—you, that you saw a discrepancy in the numbers, or what was your question again?

Raj Singhal
Fund Analyst, Arrow Securities

Yes. So my question is regarding in the, in the MD&A section, like you said, you have bought back 715,000 shares in the nine months. So but I was looking at the outstanding shares, it has reduced by only 115,000. So where did that 600,000 got?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

There were opt-

Raj Singhal
Fund Analyst, Arrow Securities

Options.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Yeah, there was options exercised in the quarter, and that's the difference.

Raj Singhal
Fund Analyst, Arrow Securities

Oh, but there is no detail provided of that regarding the number of shares comment.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

The number of options?

Raj Singhal
Fund Analyst, Arrow Securities

Yeah, I mean, how much-

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

I don't think we normally-

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

No, it should be in there. It should be in there.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

It should be in the details. May I suggest that you follow up with Dale subsequent to the call, and he can show you more specifically? Or hold on a second. Let's see if he's got it.

Dale Schneider
CFO, Linamar

If you go to the outstanding share detail-

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

... on the MD&A.

Raj Singhal
Fund Analyst, Arrow Securities

Okay.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

It describes that.

Raj Singhal
Fund Analyst, Arrow Securities

But it's only described in amount, but not in the number of shares. And just a follow-up on that, means what, when will we be able to see the net reduction in the outstanding shares? Like, it looks like you're buying only basically the, to just mitigate the options, right? So but there is no significant reduction in the number of shares. Actual reduction in the number of shares.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Mm-hmm. Well, in fact, that we weren't sort of consciously setting out to only buy shares back to offset the options. That just happened to happen at the same time. We actually set out to do, you know, to put a fair bit of money behind the buyback last quarter, and went ahead and did so. So, you know, unfortunately, at the same time, we happened to have these options come to an end, and so they, they were recognized in the quarter. So unfortunate timing that it, that it offset the buyback.

Raj Singhal
Fund Analyst, Arrow Securities

Okay. My last question is regarding the leverage. You're saying to get it back to one, so when you're expecting that, it has, it will be, to one? And then, my, the last question is that, so if when it becomes to when, to one, so then you're expecting a significant upscale in the share buyback activity?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

We expect to be under one next year. We will, at that time, assess what makes the most sense in terms of uses of cash. So whether it be, you know, growth in the business, obviously, is a priority that we always look at. We look at dividends, we look at buybacks. So I can't tell you right now that all of a sudden we're gonna shift to a big spend on buybacks. Those are decisions that we take on a quarterly basis with our board of directors.

Raj Singhal
Fund Analyst, Arrow Securities

Okay, so it will be in the first half year, the leverage will become back to one?

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

I did not specify that. I just said by next year. We haven't been specific on when in the year that will happen.

Raj Singhal
Fund Analyst, Arrow Securities

Thank you. That's helpful. I turn it back . Thank you.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Thank you.

Operator

At this time, there are no further questions.

Linda Hasenfratz
CEO, Linamar

Okay, thank you. Well, to conclude this evening, I'd like to leave you, as always, with three key messages. First, we are thrilled to report more than 15% growth in normalized earnings in our transportation segment, despite tough markets, a sign our launch transition is improving as expected. Secondly, we're very pleased to again deliver solid adjusted free cash flow of CAD 90 million in the quarter. Cash generation has been a key priority for us, and we are delivering on it. We continue to expect to see strong free cash flow for the year of CAD 500 million-CAD 700 million, which will further fortify our already strong balance sheet.

Finally, we're pleased to see our business again outperforming markets on continued market share growth, driving out of solid business wins in many areas of our business, notably takeover business, which is the silver lining of weak markets. Thanks very much and have a great evening.

Operator

This concludes today's conference. You may now disconnect.

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