Greetings, everyone, welcome to the Magna acquisition of Veoneer Active Safety. During today's presentation, all participant lines will remain in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question-and-answer session with instructions to follow. If at any time during today's presentation you need to reach an operator, please press star zero on your telephone. Please note as well today's conference is being recorded Tuesday, December 20th, 2022. It is now with pleasure that I turn today's conference over to Mr. Louis Tonelli, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
Thank you, Bridget, and good morning, everyone. Joining me today are Swamy Kotagiri, CEO, Pat McCann, CFO, and Vince Galifi, President. We issued a press release this morning announcing that we have signed a definitive agreement to acquire the Veoneer Active Safety business from SSW Partners. You'll find the press release, today's conference call webcast, and the slide presentation to go along with the call all in the investor relations section of our website at magna.com. Before we get started, just as a reminder, the discussion today may contain forward-looking information or forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable securities legislation. Such statements involve certain risks, assumptions, and uncertainties which may cause the company's actual or future results and performance to be materially different from those expressed or implied in these statements. Please refer to today's press release for a complete description of our safe harbor disclaimer.
Please note that this transaction relates to Veoneer Active Safety and does not include the restraint control business. When we refer to Veoneer, we are referring to the Active Safety business that we are acquiring. Now let me pass the call over to Swamy.
Thanks, Louis. Good morning, everyone. I am excited to be able to speak with you about our acquisition of Veoneer Active Safety, a transaction that accelerates Magna's growth and positions us as a leader in a fast-growing ADAS market. Combining our complementary businesses broadens our product portfolio, capabilities, customer base, and geographic presence. It also adds significant engineering resources and software expertise, resulting in our ability to address full ADAS systems and increased content per vehicle opportunities. With this transaction, we expect to create long-term sustainable value for shareholders. The transaction is aligned with our go-forward portfolio strategy that we have been communicating to investors over the past couple of years, specifically accelerating the deployment of capital towards high-growth areas. Let me get into some of the details. I'll briefly cover Veoneer Active Safety's profile. The business has extensive capabilities in sensor suite, compute, and software.
It has 3,700 employees worldwide, working at four manufacturing locations and 15 engineering centers. It also has a strong technical base with 2,200 engineers and over 550 active patents. Sales have grown rapidly over the past few years and are expected to reach $1.1 billion this year. On a standalone basis, the business is expected to generate positive EBITDA in 2023 while continuing to invest for future growth. As I said earlier, our capabilities are complementary. We have a particular strength in camera-based systems, including front, surround view, rear view, as well as in drive policy and driver monitoring systems. We also have key developments ongoing and program awards in other technology areas, including digital radar, solid-state LiDAR, compute in general, whether it's ADAS ECUs or domain or zonal controllers and ultrasonics.
Veoneer Active Safety has good market position together with significant development and manufacturing experience in radar and front camera, as well as strong capabilities and experience in domain controllers. It also has capabilities in driver and in-cabin monitoring along with thermal sensing camera technology. We expect our combined product lines to have enhanced experience and scale. We should be among the leaders in camera and radar technology, which represent two of the largest total addressable markets in ADAS. We expect the combined entity to have scale and be poised for significant growth in domain controllers, the fastest-growing category in ADAS. We also expect to be well-positioned in driver and in-cabin monitoring solutions.
In addition, the combined business would have strengthened positions in premium features and functions as well as engineering infrastructure. Overall, our combined comprehensive capabilities will cover the entire ADAS spectrum with a number of leading market positions.
Included in the Appendix is a bit more detail on our complementary ADAS capabilities. This transaction provides an infusion of electronics engineering expertise. The addition of 2,200 engineers provides further resources to our fast-growing ADAS business and can also support Magna's broader mobility activities. In particular, its 1,800 systems, software, and sensor development engineers significantly advances our position, putting Magna at the forefront of ADAS feature development. The acquisition also expands our business with major customers and provides access to new customers and regions. This should drive good sales diversification for the combined business by customer and by region. Overall, the combined entity better positions Magna as a full system ADAS supplier, which should accelerate content per vehicle opportunities for our ADAS business. It also allows us to explore additional possibilities across the company, for instance, in connected powertrains and better position Magna overall.
The ADAS product lines of both entities are experiencing rapid growth. This reflects a solid business pipeline across multiple systems, features, customers, and regions as a result of our respective capabilities and a growing ADAS market. Based on forecasts for our ADAS business and Veoneer Active Safety, we expect a compound average growth rate in sales for the combined business of about 30% over the next two years to approximately $3 billion by 2024. We are very excited about the opportunities available to us with capabilities to capitalize on an ADAS market that continues to experience significant growth and is expected to reach $50 billion by 2030. I'll pass the call over to Pat to cover the additional details on the transaction. Pat?
Thanks, Swamy. Good morning, everyone. I'm also excited about completing this acquisition and further strengthening our capabilities in an important and fast-growing product area. Let me review some of the transaction details. The total consideration for the acquisition of Veoneer Active Safety is $1.525 billion, payable in cash and subject to working capital and other customary purchase price adjustments. As Swamy noted, the transaction enhances Magna's sales growth profile and increases the proportion of our business in megatrend areas. The purchase price is supported by a value proposition of rapid ADAS sales and profit growth as well as significant synergies. We plan to use cash on hand plus a modest amount of additional debt to fund the transaction. We anticipate no significant change in our leverage profile and expect to maintain our strong investment-grade credit rating.
We also expect to maintain ample financial flexibility to take advantage of further opportunities in the industry. We project the transaction will be plus or minus neutral to adjusted earnings per share, excluding purchase price amortization in the first full year, 2024, and to be accretive thereafter. We expect to realize benefits of this investment for many years to come. The acquired entity will be combined with our ADAS business in Magna Electronics. We are confident that we can generate $70 million in annual run rate synergies by 2025 and believe there are further opportunities. Some of the key areas in which we have identified synergies are procurement, SG&A, and development activities. We also expect some benefit in cash tax savings as a result of the transaction. We have an integration team identified that is highly focused on realizing these synergies.
Key next steps for the transaction include our integration team coordinating with Veoneer, employee engagement, including information sessions to welcome employees and inform them about Magna, and the initiation of regulatory filings in the jurisdictions where the two companies operate. Closing of the transaction is expected near mid-year 2023. In summary, this transaction accelerates Magna's growth and positions us as a leader in the fast-growing ADAS market. Combining our complementary businesses broadens our product portfolio capabilities, customer base, and geographic presence. Veoneer Active Safety adds significant engineering resources and software expertise, and together, these enhance our full ADAS systems capabilities and accelerates our content per vehicle opportunities. The acquisition is consistent with our go-forward strategy to invest in high-growth areas in order to create long-term value for Magna shareholders. Thanks for your attention this morning. Swamy, Vince, Louis, and I would be happy to answer your questions.
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Thanks, everybody. Our first question is on profitability. You mentioned it's EBITDA positive, forward year, even including investing in future growth. I don't know if you could be a bit more specific. Order of magnitude, would you say the EBITDA margins are in line, higher or lower than the Magna average? Can you confirm is the business EBIT positive as well? My first question.
Okay, Adam. It's Pat. Good morning.
Good morning.
Good morning. Thanks for dialing in. As far as the profitability of the business, it is growing. I would say it's consistent with our Magna Electronics business or, but it is gonna be below the Magna average just given the heavy investments. If you remember the way this business operates, when they're investing for the future, all those engineering expenses need to be expensed as opposed to capitalized and amortized in with regular CapEx type. I would say it's consistent with our business but below the Magna average overall.
Okay, I appreciate that. Just on market share, I don't know if you can comment on combined pro forma market share in the relevant categories, again, order of magnitude, to show the size of the market position. If I can squeeze one more in, can you confirm whether this was a competitive process for the acquisition of this asset? That's great.
Yeah, it's Adam, Louis here. We're not gonna get into market share specifically. I mean, based on our assessment of how it's gonna look on a combined basis, we're gonna be one of the leaders in the industry again. Some of the product areas in particular will be leaders, and we highlight that a little bit in the presentation.
I think , to your last question, Adam, about the process, it was run by SSW. It was a process that was run by them.
Appreciate it, Pat. Thanks, guys.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Chris McNally of Evercore. Please proceed with your question. Mr. McNally, your line is open. Please proceed with your question. Please verify your mute function or lift your handset.
Maybe we'll come back to that one.
Very good. Thank you. Okay. Our next question comes from the line of Joseph Spak of RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Is there anything you can tell us about or what you've learned about Veoneer's order intake during the time since, you know, that initial acquisition and sort of they got out of the public limelight? I know you're showing good growth in that business through 2024, obviously some of these orders have much longer lead times. I just wanna get a sense as to sort of, you know, what happened to some of those orders and opportunity at a time when, you know, the business might have been optically at least in a little bit of flux.
Hi, Joseph. Good morning. I think we went through an extensive diligence process as you can imagine. We saw no deterioration in the data or the programs from what we had seen to where we have seen now. We do feel comfortable walking through to say that there was no material change in what we had seen versus in a year ago versus now. We also looked at the probabilities and the take rates, if you look at the ratio of the booked to unbooked business, I would say it was in line with what we are used to in this line of business for our own product line of ADAS and Magna.
Okay. Thank you for that. Just, you know, a second question. Maybe just if we use sort of, like radar as an example here, obviously you both have some capabilities. Is that an area where we sort of see on a combined basis, you sort of pick one path and go down, or is there sort of enough opportunity in the market for some differentiation between, you know, maybe different radar solutions?
Just actually it's very complementary. We have talked about the ICON Radar digital radar from a Magna perspective, you know, from interference mitigation, from range, from, you know, various technical attributes. What Veoneer Active Safety brings is a significant amount of manufacturing experience, right? They've made over 40 million radar sensors over the last decade. Although we have programs that we are just about launching with our ICON Radar, just bringing the two teams together and the manufacturing expertise I believe is going to be, you know, very advantageous. On the other hand, Veoneer product portfolio address the short and mid-range from a radar perspective and the ICON Radar, which addresses the long range with all the other technical attributes that I talked about, will actually become a really good roadmap going forward. It's pretty complimentary to each other.
Okay. Thank you very much.
Thank you. We will now circle back to the line of Chris McNally of Evercore. Please proceed with your question. Mr. McNally, your line is open. Please verify your mute function or lift your handset. We will continue on. Our next question comes from the line of Colin Langan of Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question.
Great. Thanks for taking my questions. One, you know, any color when we're talking about the $3 billion in ADAS you'll have for 2024, you know, you mentioned camera radar you think you'll be in a leading position? How much is sort of software stuff, domain controllers, some of the higher tech stuff? I mean, any nature of the mix of the business there by 2024 versus sort of the hardware versus software?
Yeah. I. Go ahead, Louis.
No, no. Please go ahead, Swamy.
Good morning, Colin. You know, we have just announced the business, and I think , you know, until the close is there, I think it might not be appropriate to get into the details of by product line. Even when we talked about the $3 billion, it is not just the leadership from radar or camera, it's the overall position in the ADAS market, right? Being in the top three or four, I think is what we mentioned. If you'll just look at the complementary nature of the surround view, the rear view, and the front camera from Magna, the radar and domain controller from Veoneer Active Safety becomes really a comprehensive product portfolio.
I think if you take a step forward, just looking at the possibilities with other product lines in Magna, whether it's lighting, or mirrors for the driver monitoring system or even connected powertrain in the future, is all the additional content that, you know, could become addressable for us. I think give us a little bit of time, and I think we'll start giving, you know, after the close, more color into the different product lines.
Got it. As a follow-up, the slides mentioned that there'd be a moderate amount of debt. Any color on how much debt it will be needed and how much debt maybe you think you could pay down before that point?
As far as why, I think, Colin, morning, it's Pat. When we think about our leverage ratio, so the amount of debt really flexes based off of our leverage ratios. We always work in our targeted ratios between 1x to 1.5x. Our objective would be to come back within that range in the short term. To your point as far as repayment, we will look at doing a combination of debt issuances between short term and longer term to reflect that ability to pay it down within the range.
Okay. All right. Thanks for taking my question.
Thank you.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rod Lache of Wolfe Research. Please proceed with your question.
I believe that all of the Veoneer ADAS systems are based on their own proprietary computer vision tech. Is that correct, or did the computer vision go to Qualcomm Arriver? If it is still something that Veoneer has in-house or is depending on, what do you do with that? Is that something you expect to build on?
Good morning, Rod. If you look at it, I think typical modularity has been the sensor suite, the compute, and even in the sensors, there is a base software and there's a perception and the drive policy. The perception piece of it is really the OEMs are looking at different ways. We've been extensively working with Mobileye for a long period of time, as you know, and we intend to continue that. As the OEMs make their decisions, they, you know, will have the strategy to go whichever way they go. I think there is a lot of fusion software, there is a lot of functional feature development that we've been doing, you know, in our product portfolio, and this one will further enhance that capability.
I think it should be no different, other than additional scale and engineering resources and capability. We would have no other constraint. We can continue what we've been doing.
There will be, just so I understand it, there will be two options that you will offer to the OEMs. I assume that you've sort of thought through the implications of working with Mobileye or not, and that deal would be compelling in either scenario.
I think we are very clear that, like I said, we've been working with Mobileye for a long time, and we have the intent to continue to work with them. The optionality actually comes from the OEMs. As you know, OEMs are looking at, you know, different options from their own in-house or other things, and we'll continue to follow the path that OEMs are taking.
Okay. Just on the Veoneer growth, was hoping you can maybe just give us a little bit of a description of how that business is evolving from basic ADAS, like AEB and how much of this is sort of moving into the more advanced level two plus over the next few years. Any color on what the margin profile of the business will look like if you are successful, maybe 2024, 2025, sort of thinking about what the opportunity is there in terms of profitability.
Rod, the first part of the question, I've always talked about the market as driver assist functions, as you mentioned, all the way up to L2+. Even in our current product portfolio, we are not just talking the basic AEB, we are talking a whole suite of features, like, you know, lane assist, lane centering, adaptive cruise control, adaptive headlamps, you know, highway chauffeur, a bunch of these things that are considered to be L2+. We are close to production or in production in the various things that I just mentioned.
I think adding the expertise and the knowledge that Veoneer Active Safety brings with them in terms of the domain controllers, taking the sensor suite that I just talked about from a camera, from LiDAR and from the radar perspective and the fusion capabilities that we have launched some and Veoneer already has currently on programs, I think we are really well equipped to address all the way up to L2+, as we are calling it, or advanced driver assist functions. Maybe, Pat, you can throw some color on the margin profile. I think we already talked about it, right?
Yeah, exactly. Morning, Rod. Just on the margin profile, what we're expecting to see is if we back up, we didn't buy this business just for a pure margin play. Y ou know, we ran our traditional disciplined DCF type analysis. What we're seeing in the business is with all that significant growth, there is quite a bit of engineering expense just to make it happen. The reality is part of those synergies we're gonna see is in the core development. As we scale the Veoneer business and we scale the Magna business, we combine with some savings on the core side, we expect margins to accelerate as we launch all that business. I would say longer term, there's no reason this business wouldn't be similar margin profile to the rest of Magna as we gain scale.
Okay. Just to clarify, Swamy and Pat, the growth that you're describing, maybe I misinterpreted that, but is this primarily coming from Magna and Veoneer market share gains and it within sort of basic ADAS, or is it some of the things that you described that you're about to enter production of, is it primarily the basic, or is it the more advanced systems that are coming over the next couple of years?
No, it's, Rod, it's definitely a combination, not only the base. When you said base, like the AEB type function, it is some of the other feature functions that I mentioned that we are launching, as well as the Veoneer Active Safety business is launching. When we talk about the 30% CAGR and growing to about $3 billion, it is a mix of all business, including the advanced features of the L2+.
Okay. Thank you.
Sure.
Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of James Picariello of BNP Paribas. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, good morning, guys. I know you referenced the neutral EPS on an adjusted basis excluding PPA. Any sense for what that could be? I know it's early. Just to confirm, PPA will be included in Magna's adjusted results, is that right?
Yeah. Typically, the PPA is included . Well, we don't adjust it out. It'd be part of our GAAP numbers, typically.
Right. Okay. Can you just discuss the timing of the $70 million cost out synergies? Is that just pretty linear over 2024 and in 2025 ?
Yeah, I think that's a fair modeling assumption, James. I think they're just gonna scale up and, there will be some cost to achieve those synergies obviously, in the shorter term. Once the businesses scale and we get more volumes, the procurement synergies increase just by volume effect.
Got it. Just last one is how should we think about, you know, Veoneer's retained net debt that you would take on? Is this a material number? Just any dimension to what that could look like?
It's virtually a cash-free, debt-free transaction, James. There will be a little bit of debt-like items, you know, on pensions or some of the leased facilities, but it's basically a cash-free, debt-free transaction.
Understood. Thanks.
Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. Again, to everyone, as a reminder, to register questions or comments, please press the one followed by the four on your telephone. Our final question comes from the line of Michael Glen of Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.
Okay. Can you just remind the existing size of the Magna ADAS business and what the organic growth has been over the past five years in that business or three years, whatever the appropriate figure is?
The base business last year was over $550 million. I can't recall the growth rate over the last five years, but we were expecting kind of in the range of where we're expecting now for the next few years, three years.
Okay. Pat, is there any way you can just shed a little more insight into the leverage, how we, some of the variables, how they play into that leverage calculation to get to that range you're thinking about?
Well, I'm pausing, Michael, and I apologize. It's a kind of a complicated calculation just given that we're going through our own business plan here at Magna. The transaction is significant, but the relative rest of Magna is gonna move their calculation more than this acquisition on its own. It's difficult for me to answer. I apologize. We're gonna have better clarity when we get out to our February outlook and we have our business plan locked down for the next three years.
Okay. When you give that outlook, are you going to I mean, the deal won't be closed at that point in time. Are you gonna be giving us some assessment of what the second half is gonna look like with and without this transaction? Just any thoughts there?
When we give our outlook in February, we won't include this transaction because it won't have closed. Upon closing, we'll have to look at our most, our next set of, you know, outlook for the current year in 2023 and provide something then.
Okay. Okay. Thanks for taking the question.
Yeah. Thanks, Michael.
Thank you.
Okay.
There are no further questions in the queue at this time, so I will now turn the call over to Mr. Kotagiri for closing remarks. Please go ahead.
Thanks, Bridget, and thanks everyone for joining the call on such short notice this morning. Hopefully, we have provided color on the transaction and our positioning. We are very excited about the opportunities that are ahead for Magna. Enjoy the rest of your day, and I hope you all have a safe and relaxing holiday season. Thank you.
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