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Earnings Call: Q4 2024

Feb 13, 2025

Andrew Tamlin
CFO, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. My name is Andrew Tamlin, Chief Financial Officer of Morguard REIT. Welcome to the Morguard REIT's fourth quarter 2024 earnings conference call. I am joined this afternoon by John Ginis, Assistant Vice President of Retail Asset Management; Tom Johnston, Senior Vice President of Western Asset Management; and Todd Febbo, Vice President of Eastern Office Management. Thank you all for taking the time to join the call. Before we get into the call, I would like to point out that our comments will mostly refer to the fourth quarter 2024 MD&A and financial statements, which have been posted to our website. I refer you specifically to the cautionary language at the front of the MD&A, which would also apply to any comments that we make on this call.

Overall, we are again pleased with the fourth quarter results, which saw strong increases in same-store net operating growth across all asset classes, which is consistent with the levels of leasing momentum we have been seeing. Net operating income for the standalone fourth quarter increased slightly over 2023. This included a 2.7% increase in same-asset net operating income, offset by a decline due to the sale of Heritage Town Centre earlier in 2024. Net operating income for the year ended December 31, 2024, increased 2% over 2023, which also included a 5% increase in same-asset net operating income across all asset classes. Same-asset net operating income for enclosed malls was up a healthy 6.8% on a year-over-year basis.

This marks the third year in a row that the trust has had positive same-asset net operating growth incorporating all asset classes, an indicator of the strong leasing market in the post-COVID environment. Retail results continue to be strong and include an approximate 5% increase on leasing rates from renewals, in addition to strong metrics from sales and traffic. We have had some instances of failed tenants for both the Comark Group, which includes brands like Ricki's and Bootlegger, along with one outlet for Peavey Mart in Nisku, Alberta. However, we do not expect this to be material. We are also working with a new operator to mitigate any downturn with the CoMark failure, and I also know that the Peavey Mart space has generated good interest from other prospective tenants already.

We are pleased to see an increase in 3% in same-asset net operating income for our office asset class for the year ending December 31, 2024. This is mainly driven by increased leasing activity in Alberta, and especially at Penn West Plaza. Interest expense increased 7% for the year to $67.4 million as compared to 2023. Higher interest costs attributable to the rollovers of mortgages in the last year have been the primary reason for this increase. The trust has approximately 15% of its debt as variable at December 31, 2024, which has declined from 20% at the middle of the year. The trust continues to focus on paying down its debt, which is now $120 million less than four years ago at this time. Interest expense for the quarter was actually down 4.4% compared to 2023 due to the lower debt and the slightly lower short-term interest rates.

FFO for the quarter increased 5% to $16.5 million in 2024 as compared to $15.7 million a year ago due to the lower interest expense. Looking at our accounting for real estate properties during the quarter, we had $49 million in fair value losses due primarily to increases in cap rates in certain markets for our office asset class. The REIT's PCME, or Operating and Leasing Capital Reserve, was established to be $25 million for the year. Actual spending was $38.2 million. The increased capital spending over the last couple of years is due to higher material costs, higher inducement costs, and elevated repair costs in general. We continue to expect capital spend to be in this range going forward, and hence have concluded it is appropriate to increase the reserve to $35 million starting in 2025.

Our overall occupancy level of 91.2% at December 31, 2024, has increased by 90 basis points over the last year. The increase is driven by increases in all asset classes, especially a 160 basis point increase in office tenancy over the last year, again driven mainly by our Alberta assets. Now for an update on our leasing efforts. Continuing with past momentum, in 2025, we are expecting every expiring retail tenant more than 10,000 sq ft to renew. In regards to office, outside the Penmust Plaza tenancies, we have one Ontario office tenant who will be downsizing their 75,000 sq ft- 50,000 sq ft. We feel good about all the other office renewals on the books for 2025. We also feel positive about the 48,000 sq ft industrial space coming due in 2025 as well.

Looking ahead to 2025, I have previously noted that we have approximately 500,000 sq ft in space at Penn West Plaza, which came due at the end of January 2025. As we have also mentioned, we were actively working with the subtenants to determine their needs beyond this date. As of today, we have renewal commitments for approximately 79% of the building, which we are pleased with. This has now turned into a multi-tenant building. We do expect a decrease in net operating income of approximately $15 million in 2025 due to the lease-up and vacancy costs as the rents in this building get reset to market rates. We are also embarking on a strategic merchandising program for Saint Laurent, which will see the addition of two new nationally recognized brand names being added to the tenant roster, along with expansion plans for other tenants on the existing rent rule.

The current budgeted capital commitment is $6.4 million and includes tenants such as Sephora and H&M. We are anticipating some future phasing beyond this spend as we look to ensure a stable, sustainable, and traffic-generating mix of tenants to this asset. Management has had continued ongoing discussions with the provincial government tenant at Petroleum Plaza in Edmonton, which came up for renewal on December 31, 2020, and is still in overhaul. While we have recently had some better back-and-forth discussions, this is still going slowly, and at this point, there is still no resolution to report. Turning to financing and liquidity, the trust has $81 million in liquidity at the end of the year, which is down from $100 million at the end of 2023.

Continuing from a financing perspective, the trust was able to renew its Penmust Plaza mortgage in the quarter for another two-year term, which will now be expiring in October 2026. This was coupled with a $7 million paydown, and it remains a variable-rate mortgage. Wrapping up, we are pleased with the resiliency of our assets and the improved occupancy and correlated results from all of our asset classes. We are especially pleased with the positive same-asset results we have seen these past few years. We are looking forward to continued positive leasing discussions for all of our assets. Most of our enclosed malls remain dominant in their geographical area, and our strip malls, which are largely grocery-anchored, have performed steady. Beyond our retail assets, we have high-quality office buildings in Canada's largest markets with a high degree of government office tenants.

We continue to be positive about our business and the objective of building value for our unit owners. We look forward to continuing to execute our strategy, and thank you for your continued support. We will now open the floor to questions.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. Should you have a question, please press star one on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to decline from the polling process, please press star two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from Jonathan Kelcher of TD Cowen. Your line is already open.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Thanks. Good afternoon. Could I just start with the Peavey Mart and the CoMark bankruptcies or vacancies that you're getting? I think I missed how material those are. They don't show up in your top 20 retail tenants.

Andrew Tamlin
CFO, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Do you want to take that, John?

John Ginis
Assistant Vice President of Retail Asset Management, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Sure. In terms of GLA exposure, Jonathan, is that your question?

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Sure.

John Ginis
Assistant Vice President of Retail Asset Management, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

The GLA or percentage of total retail revenue, either way.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Yeah.

John Ginis
Assistant Vice President of Retail Asset Management, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Peavey Mart is, as Andrew noted in his introductory remarks, a 40,000 sq ft box in Nisku, Alberta. The CoMark Group of companies, primarily Rickies and Bootlegger, for the REIT specific, I think aggregate to roughly 80,000 sq ft across multiple assets. That is the REIT's exposure. Now, as part of the CCAA process, I'm not sure how aware you are or anyone on the call is aware, but there is potential sale of some of the banners or select leases currently under discussion to be acquired. I don't want to give specifics because the deal isn't closed, but we're hoping we're part of that tranche that allows for some of these leases to be transferred to a new buyer so that the REIT mitigates its exposure with respect to that GLA coming back.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. That sort of goes opposite to my next question. I was just going to ask, there obviously were a weaker retailer that's now gone. Is the retail market strong enough now that you would sort of look forward to getting spaces like that back to kind of be able to push rents with better quality tenants?

John Ginis
Assistant Vice President of Retail Asset Management, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Right. Let me start with the Peavey Mart space. That space is, and again, going back to Andrew's comments, receiving a tremendous amount of demand. One thing that's really permeated through the retail market, particularly over the course of the last 12 months, but even expanding beyond that as we've transitioned out of the COVID or the pandemic, is it's just too expensive to build standalone boxes. Retailers are looking to expand, but they simply cannot make the economics work with respect to prototypical builds. That has actually helped us not only on open format centers, but also in the enclosed mall environment. Now, to your question with respect to them being a weak retailer, yes, absolutely. There are select tenants like this one here where back in 2020, they restructured via CCAA, and now 2025 has hit and they're restructuring again.

As an intermediate step, again, going back to my comments I just made moments ago with respect to looking to maybe consummate a transaction where some of these leases are assigned to a new buyer, I think our position on this is to ensure that, notwithstanding that they keep the occupancy of the space so that we have an income-generating tenant, we're going to be very clear on controlling the space so we can start marketing to higher and better users. That is one of the conditions that we'll look to as part of to facilitate a trade of these leases going to a new buyer. Yes, we are actively thinking about that, to rolling up the tenant roster, but it's not going to happen overnight, Jonathan. We need time to kind of filter it through because every property is different, right?

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Yep. For sure. For sure. That's helpful. Just switching gears to the Penmust. Andrew, I know we've known this one's been coming for a bit, but you said $15 million lost NOI this year. I think in previous commentary, you guys talked about getting about $5 million back starting in 2026. Is that still something that we should expect?

Andrew Tamlin
CFO, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. I think I quoted the $4-$6 million range in the past. Yeah, I mean, that's still happening. We're still trying to narrow that down a little bit, so I wasn't as forthright as that, but there will be an uptick in 2026.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Is that going to come from leasing the other 20-odd percent, or how should we think about that?

Andrew Tamlin
CFO, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

There was just a lot of inducements that we had to give that take hits in 2025, like free rent and things like that. It is really a function of that, Jonathan.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. So leasing at that property would be additive then?

Andrew Tamlin
CFO, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Yes.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. Lastly, just looking at your office portfolio in the Ontario vacancy around 25%, trying to stamp out, even though it has improved year over year. Can you just remind me if that pertains to one or two properties, and that's something you expect you can improve over the next couple of years?

Andrew Tamlin
CFO, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

It is mainly in Toronto and Ottawa, Jonathan. I do not know. Do you want to share your thoughts on those marketplaces, Todd?

Todd Febbo
VP of Eastern Office Management, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Sure. Hi, Jonathan. Yeah. Toronto market, as you may or may not be aware, is kind of in a bit of a slowdown at the moment. It is one of the tougher sectors in the recent past. There is some optimism that the year in front of us is much better than the year behind. We are optimistic that things will improve over 2025, but probably not until the latter part of the year. Certainly, that is the case we are expecting for Toronto. Ottawa, it is a little bit more contingent on what is happening with the feds, but there is still optimism that that is going to have the same effect there as well.

Jonathan Kelcher
Equity Analyst, TD Cowen

Okay. I will turn it back. Thanks.

Andrew Tamlin
CFO, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Thanks, Jonathan.

Operator

Your next question comes from Roger Lafontaine of Nugget Capital Markets. Your line is already open.

Roger Lafontaine
Research Analyst and Equity Trader, Nugget Capital Markets

Hello. Thanks for taking my call. I had a question on the Burquitlam Plaza status and if you would be able to provide any updates on that project. It seems to have gone a bit cold since 2023, and we're just looking to see if anything was moving with the city of Coquitlam. Thank you.

Andrew Tamlin
CFO, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Yeah. John will take that.

Hi, Roger. We are still immersed in the entitlement process, trying to get the rezoning completed for the property. It is a little bit more complicated there because it requires four readings for rezoning to be effectuated. Our hope is that at some point during calendar 2025, we get to council for first reading to start the rezoning process are also a few stakeholders at that site as well, and it's just taking a bit of time to stick handle through those stakeholders. I don't think what we're finding at that site is much different from other property owners. It takes time these days to get through the entitlement process, unfortunately.

Roger Lafontaine
Research Analyst and Equity Trader, Nugget Capital Markets

Thank you for answering that. That was.

Andrew Tamlin
CFO, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Anything else, Alan?

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you have a question, please press star one. There are no further questions at this time. I would hand over the call to Andrew Tamlin for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Andrew Tamlin
CFO, Morguard Real Estate Investment Trust

Okay. Thank you. Thanks, everybody, for joining the call and listening to our remarks, and we will talk to everybody next time. Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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