Status Update

Jul 16, 2021

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Methanex business update. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Ms. Kim Campbell. Please go ahead, Ms. Campbell. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our Methanex Corporation business update conference call to discuss our decisions to restart construction on our Geismar 3 project And to provide a business update. A news release announcing our decision was distributed earlier this morning and posted along with presentation materials On the Investor Relations page of our website at methanex.com. I would like to remind our listeners that our comments and answers to your questions Today may contain forward looking information. This information by its nature is subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause the stated outcome to differ materially Certain material factors or assumptions were applied in drawing conclusions or making a forecast or projections, which are included in the forward looking information. Please return refer to the forward looking information warning that is at the end of our news release from earlier today regarding Methanex Restart Construction On Geismar 3 project or Slide 22 of our investor presentation that was also posted on our website earlier today. I would also like to caution our listeners that any projections provided today regarding Methanex's future financial performance are effective as of today's date. It is our policy not to comment on or update this guidance between quarters. For clarification, any references to revenue, EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, Cash flow, illustrative free cash flow or AECO made in today's remarks reflect our 63.1 percent economic interest in the Atlas facility And a 50 percent economic interest in the Aegis facility. These items are non GAAP measures that do not have any standardized meaning prescribed by GAAP And therefore, unlikely to be comparable to similar measures presented by other companies. We report these non GAAP measures in this way To make them a better measure of underlying operating performance, we encourage analysts covering the company to report their estimates in this manner. I would now like to turn the call over to Methanex's President and CEO, Mr. John Florin, for his comments and a question and answer period. Thanks, Kim. Hello, and thank you for joining us. Our news release and presentation posted earlier today provided an update on our business and capital allocation priorities, Including our decision to restart construction on our Geismar 3 project. We have a few remarks that we'd like to share this morning, And then we'll open up the call for your questions. I wanted to start by sharing our outlook for the methanol industry. Current methanol industry dynamics are favorable. Methanol prices have rebounded quickly over the last year, supported by a healthy recovery in methanol demand, Low global inventory levels, ongoing industry supply challenges and a constructive energy price environment. Over the last few months, we completed an in-depth review to reassess our medium to long term industry outlook, including Our growth outlook for methanol demand following the sharp demand shock we saw in 2020 our outlook for new industry capacity additions, Particularly in Iran and China and how we expect new and existing methanol plants will operate over the coming years. Our conclusion from this detailed work is that the methanol industry outlook is positive. We believe that new industry supply, including our Geismar 3 plant will be needed to meet growing Methanol demand. Forecast for methanol demand growth are strong, and we expect growth of approximately 16,000,000 tonnes over the next 5 years. I'll take global GDP forecast over the next few years to support this outlook. In addition, a rising energy price environment and Increasing interest in methanol as a lower emission fuel provide additional support for methanol demand growth. Regarding methanol industry supply, we foresee approximately 14,000,000 tons of new capacity additions, including G3, Mainly in the U. S, Iran and China over the next few years and limited new project commitments beyond 2022. Based on our forecast for methanol demand and supply, our view on methanol prices over the coming years is positive. Now turning to our financial position. Today, we have a strong financial position to restart construction on G3 project and execute On our capital allocation priorities, we have a healthy balance a cash balance with over $800,000,000 in cash On our balance sheet at the end of Q1 2021, we have taken steps to delever through a strategic Partnership with Mitsui OSK with proceeds of $145,000,000 and by repaying $173,000,000 drawn on our G3 construction facility. And we continue to generate meaningful cash flow across the wide range of methanol prices and have an undrawn backup liquidity, including our $100,000,000 G3 construction facility and our $300,000,000 revolving credit facility. Our strategic partnership with Mitsui Onuskei enables us to generate value from existing assets to further enhance our financial strength and flexibility without diluting The significant cash generation potential from the G3 project. With MOL, we will expand our 30 year methanol shipping relationship And benefit from MOL's broad shipping experience to enhance our water pump shipping operations. We will also work with MOL to Advanced commercialization of Methanol as a lower emission marine fuel. At current realized prices of approximately $3.75 We estimate that we have the potential to generate approximately $125,000,000 in free cash flow before G3 CapEx Every quarter, we intend to fund our remaining G3 capital costs with cash on hand and future cash flow. We expect to be able to fund the project without incurring incremental debt at methanol prices of approximately 2.75 Dollars per tonne and above. Now turning to our G3 project. The timing is right to restart construction on Geismar 3, In the U. S. Underpins production for this project. In addition, we estimate that G III will have one of the lowest CO2 emission intensity profiles in the Ultimately, Geismar 3 will strengthen our asset portfolio and substantially improve our future cash generation capability. We believe that Geismar 3 will deliver significant long term value to our shareholders. Based on the remaining capital cost for the project, we estimate the Projects IRR should be approximately 20% to 28% at ethanol prices between $3.50 to $400 per tonne. This price range is in line with current third party industry publication long run methanol price forecasts. Our capital cost estimate for the project is $1,250,000,000 to $1,350,000,000 We expect that approximately $435,000,000 will be committed to the project To the end of Q3 2020 through the care and maintenance period. We expect approximately $800,000,000 to $900,000,000 of remaining capital cost After resuming construction in October 2021, the remaining budget includes healthy allowances for both cost escalation And the remaining risks on the project. We are confident in our ability to compete this project on time and on budget. We have substantially reduced the project execution risk profile of the project over the last 24 months. The key remaining risks for the project are construction labor and bulk material costs. Firstly, we're well positioned from a labor availability perspective ahead of other major capital projects in the U. S. Gulf Coast. We also benefit from our proven experience in the local area gained through our Geismar 1 and Geismar 2 projects. Secondly, we have secured prices for most of our bulk material costs, which reflect mainly piping and structural steel. We will confirm prices for our remaining bulk materials before the end of 2021, limiting our cost escalation exposure. We are confident in our ability to compete G III on time and on budget, and we believe G III will deliver significant long term value to our shareholders. Now turning to our capital allocation priorities. Our capital allocation priorities remain the same. We use the cash that we generate to maintain our business, Pursue value accretive growth opportunities and continue our strong track record of returning excess cash to shareholders. Going forward, we will increase our emphasis on financial flexibility in 3 ways. We plan to hold more cash, Targeting a minimum of $300,000,000 of cash on hand plus our remaining G3 capital costs during construction. We plan to target lower leverage and reduce our debt levels over time to a target of approximately 3x debt to EBITDA at ethanol prices Between $2.75 $300 per tonne. And we will increase our weighting on flexible vehicles for distributions, Such as share buybacks combined with a sustainable dividend to return capital to shareholders. We announced that we reset our quarterly dividend to $0.125 For sure. Over the coming quarters, as we progress with the project, we anticipate that we will have the ability to further delever, increase Shareholder distribution at methanol prices of approximately $3.25 per tonne or higher. Guidimar 3 is the only significant Growth capital in our plans over the next few years. We expect that G III will substantially increase our cash generation capability I support a significant increase in our future shareholder distribution potential. It is an exciting time for our company, and we believe that the steps we are taking today We'll enable us to deliver meaningful long term value to shareholders. We would now be happy to answer questions. Thank you. Thank you for your patience. Our first question is from Jacob Bout with CIBC. Please go ahead. Good morning, John. Hey, Jacob. First question here is just on the revision in your capital costs lower from previous estimates. How does that square with what we're seeing as far as labor inflation and material cost inflation? Okay. Hi, Jacob. It's Mike Curtis, Senior VP, Corporate Development. So just a little bit broader answer to that. We've done a lot over the period of time that we've been in care and maintenance to advance activities that take risk out of the project. And So when you see the cost decrease, it's reflecting that. So we have allowances when we started at FIB and announced this project, And we hadn't completed all the engineering. At this point, 95% of the engineering is complete. So that takes away Risk gone perhaps scope being larger than you expected. We've got all the equipment on-site. We've got most of our critical equipment on-site over the levy. At FID, we would have been wondering, can vendors deliver on time? Will we be able to when the equipment arrives on-site get it Over the levy and onto our site, will the river levels be at risk? So those risks being behind us allow us to have a lot more confidence in the cost Going forward, and so when you see the reduced range that we have, that reflects the reduced risk profile on the project. And then my second question here is just about what the impact on earnings will be from the sale of The minority stake in, sir. Yes. Hi, JJ. It's Ian Cameron, CFO. The proceeds of the transaction are Approximately $145,000,000 and that will all go through to the equity line. There's a bit of an accounting complication around I was reported, but it all gets recorded as equity. Okay. And then the revenue stream Sorry. And sorry, the revenue stream associated with the 40% stake? Yes. So obviously, there's an earnings stream from Waterfront Shipping. And so our shareholder, our new shareholder will have a part of that. And I can't remember exact number per year we estimate, but No, I don't think we want to publicly disclose it, but there'll be some earnings that they'll get from the Waterfront earnings. Okay. Order of magnitude, tens of millions or I can't say that. We just don't want to disclose that, Jacob. All right. I'll leave it there. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Mike Newstead with Barclays. Please go ahead. Great. Thanks and good morning, guys. Good morning. I guess first, thanks for the update and the in-depth slides are helpful. I guess, how should we think about the priorities for excess cash flow beyond G3? It sounds like, John, the near term focus is Maintaining a higher cash balance level, lower leverage levels, should we think about debt paydown being the flywheel? Or I guess just from an equity holder perspective, how should we think about the potential for returns of excess cash? Yes. Beyond our maintenance capital and then the G3 Growth, we've just reset our dividend. So that will be first use of excess cash is to maintain Yes, dividend and then we'll want to retain more flexibility in how we return cash to shareholders. So there's other vehicles we Consider, but we want to have more flexibility. We've seen 3 pretty large volatile demand shocks in the last 12, 13 years. As well, we want to hold more cash in general on the balance sheet. We've targeted around $300,000,000 plus the whatever is left in the G3 project as we Move forward here over the coming quarters, and then we want to delever. The next opportunity at this time The bonds that are coming in 2024, we've looked at could we retire those earlier? It doesn't make sense today based on how they're priced and the penalties we'd incur. But if that those bonds became more attractive Due to changes to the bond market, we could consider retiring those early. So those are the things we're looking at. Got it. That's helpful. And then maybe on that line, John, obviously, there's been a good amount of shareholders that have wanted or advocated for a more aggressive Buyback or return of cash approach, especially where the shares are currently trading versus restarting G3. So I understand Completely why you like G3, but curious how you and the Board kind of weighed or thought about the relative advantages of that project Maybe versus a more aggressive buyback or return of cash approach. Yes. We did a detailed analysis of that, and our share price would have be substantially lower than where it is today to have an equivalent return to the company. We're not anticipating our share price to go substantially lower than where it is today. So it made sense to complete G3. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Ben Isaacson with Scotiabank. Please go ahead. Thank you very much. John, I may have missed it, but I didn't see any talk about A potential strategic partner. Is that off the table now? No, it's not off the table, Ben. But what I would say is, the Project gets more and more de risked. We've raised additional liquidity from MOL. So it would have to be a pretty compelling situation for us to Take on a partner at this time. To me, with the deal we did with MOL is just like a partner as far as adding liquidity without giving away A third of a really great project. So we found a way to get additional liquidity without having to give away a portion of a great project. We're still to a number of firms and we'll continue those conversations. But as time goes by here, I think it's less and less likely that we'll secure A strategic partner at conditions that make sense for us. But we'll continue those talks. And can you just remind me the How the gas will work for G III? I see that the forward curve has moved up over the next few years. Are you going to be contracting that gas? Or is that going to be on a spot basis or some kind of mix? Yes. It's part of our we take a North American portfolio gas strategy. So our Medicine Hat and our what will be our 3 plants in Geismar, and we like to have most of our gas Next, as it is in Medicine Hat, we have hedges in place for Geismar 1 and 2, so for about 70% of our gas So for those two plants, and we'll plan to do the same for Geismar 3. We'll look to layer in hedges here as we go forward and complete the project. And then just very last one. I've seen some MTO plants moving upstream into a CTO And eliminating that merchant methanol need. And then on the book side, we've seen China kind of cracking down on these CTOs. Can Can you just talk about that balance there between what China is doing environmentally and the MTO is looking to go upstream? Yes, that's happening in the inner part of China, inner Mongolia, Shaanxi province, where there's abundant coal. This is in our forecast. So the numbers I've given you about demand and supply include the backward integration of those Methanol Merchant Plants that are going to CTO, just directly, especially on the coast of China, we continue to see Further environmental restrictions on burning coal for chemicals. So we've talked about that For quite some time and that trend continues. But we've looked at all of what we think our assumptions are around supply demand on all plants around the world, including And that's what's in our numbers as far as our forecast for the next 5 years on supply and demand. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Laurence Alexander with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Good morning. This is Dan Lizzo on for Laurence. Thanks for taking the question. We try to know if you can put this agreement in perspective. If MOL's entire fleet ran on methanol, what would the demand be? And given that green methanol costs so much more than conventional methanol, Is the signal here that you both intend to subsidize the use of green methanol or that after Geismar 3, the next methanax capacity should be renewable methanol to sell to the new JV? Yes. So MOL has around 800 ships, give or take. It's a very large shipping company, one of the largest in the world. An average ship like a 45,000 ton vessel on a year, if it's burning methanol all year long, it's about 12,000 tons. So you can do the math. I'm not really good at math at the top of my head, but it's a lot of methanol. I don't think we should be thinking about this as Converting current ships, it's more of new builds. When you build a new ship today On a 50,000 ton deadweight vessel, it's around $50,000,000 give or take. And with the methanol, what happens is It's flexible fuel. You can burn many different types of fuel in addition to methanol through the engine, and that Engine cost about $2,000,000 more. So for about $2,000,000 more dollars, you get all of this flexibility, including being able to burn methanol. So that's How we should think about it going forward? The likelihood of conversions on ocean going vessels, I think, is low. But newbuilds, for Sure. We're starting to see a lot of traction with Maersk and ProMan and others really interested in going forward. So I have always said this is a Second half of the decade demand driver, it takes about 2 years to build a ship. And so we're seeing a lot of interest. It's what 2021 mid, so You should be seeing quite a good demand mid decade going to the end of the decade. As far as green methanol, I mean, we've looked at Green methanol, we've been pioneers in green methanol. We have an investment in an Iceland our plant in Iceland for a long time. The challenge with green methanol as technology works, it's the price. I mean, the cost of Reducing green methanol or even blue methanol if you do carbon capture and storage is significantly higher Then the methanol from natural gas. And we are making some green methanol in Geismar as well using renewable Natural gas or bio natural gas, whatever you want to call it, and selling that to some of our European customers. But these are very small quantities. There's not a market out there today that's willing to pay the price that we would need in order to Commercialize at a large scale, the green methanol plant, but that doesn't mean that won't change in the future. So we are looking at Different technologies and scanning all of the announcements and everything we see that's out there. And to date, we haven't found anything that really allows us to Be confident to spend significant capital and get a return. I mean, when she forecasts prices for Methanol in the Mid-300s to 400, you need twice that or higher to make sense for green methanol. So we're watching this space very Closely. We're not afraid to invest in it, but I think it would be instead of Geismar, dollars 1,800,000 a large investment in agreement with all time would 100,000 tonnes, so you need 18 of those to make up a Geismar. So the capital cost would be quite a lot higher. That's really helpful. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Nelson Ng with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Great. Thanks. Good morning, John. Just a quick one in terms of G III, the risk Profile has reduced and there's obviously more clarity on that project. But could you just touch on some of the key items that could Still like impact the budget and the schedule? Hi, Nelson. Mike Herz again. No, when we look at it at this point, it looks like a construction project and we've got all the materials and equipment on-site. So Quite confident as we go forward, but the key risks that remain are really around construction labor. On that front, I probably didn't answer the last question very directly, but We see that that market is good for us. It was good at FID. We were ahead of other major capital projects in the area. And today, we remain ahead and maybe even more ahead that Other projects have pushed their time schedules back. So we don't see ourselves competing aggressively for labor in this market. We see that we should be able to work with same contractors we worked with before with some of the same people we worked with before. So that's a nice position to be in, and we'll have to manage very carefully productivity. And the The team spent a lot of time just making sure that, that one risk, productivity risk, as you go and do the construction with millions of man hours to go is well managed. So Feel like we're in a really good spot for that. There's a bit of bulk materials that we still need to procure. Most of it's on-site, but steel And the like. And when we look at that, we've got most of it fixed or firm in price and the rest of it be fixed to apartment price in the coming months, so we're pretty comfortable that there's very limited risk there as well. We also have a very healthy contingency, as I mentioned in my remarks. We've had 3rd party people look at this project from a readiness point of view, and they comment that we have a very large contingency versus Other projects at this stage. So we're being very conservative by keeping that contingency in the estimates. And We're also very positive with our current construction people that we've used for G1 and G2, and they're telling us labor is available and It won't be a problem. So we'll see how we do, but we're ahead of the curve and there's labor available and now it's a construction project, as Mike said. Okay, thanks. Then a follow-up question is just in terms of return of capital to shareholders. Can you just talk about your decision to raise the dividend versus share buybacks? Do you feel The dividend needs to be at a certain level before you do share buybacks? No. We were very disappointed last year to have to The dividend substantially, and I never thought we'd have to do that, but here we were with a tough decision. And we didn't know how the world was going to turn out. At that time, it was pretty uncertain and demand had fallen off a cliff, etcetera, and pricing, I think, was below $200,000,000 in China. So it was a pretty Tough environment when we made that decision. Dividend fixed dividend has always been part of our distribution Strategy, we had 3 pillars to it: meaningful, growing, sustainable. Obviously, our old dividend, I guess it was not sustainable because we had to cut it. So I mentioned we've seen 3 pretty big volatile events around the financial crisis, the oil Collapse in 2016 and the COVID-nineteen, so that's 3 big events in a very short period of time, 12, 13 years, Which has led to a lot of volatility on methanol pricing and therefore our cash generation ability. So when we looked at it, We want to have a fixed dividend. We want to return cash to shareholders every quarter. So we decided to increase it to $0.50 a share, and we believe that's sustainable with even the volatility that we've experienced In the last 12, 13 years, and it kind of has a 1.5% yield based on today's share price. So I don't think we're going to get a lot more interest in our stock if we're at a 4% yield versus the 1.5% yield. And We have flexibility to look at it as we de risk G III further as we continue the construction and get more and more comfortable with the completion and The budget range that we've put out there. So, yes, I think overall, we want to remain more flexible in the future than we have been in the past With our distribution of cash. Okay. Thanks, John. I'll leave it there. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Joel Jackson with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Hi. This is Bria Murphy on for Joel. Thanks for taking my question. Just following up on that last question. You talked about in the release the potential to increase shareholder distribution during G3 construction as No prices sustained above $3.25 a tonne. Considering, I guess, the large likely CapEx spend in 2022, is this No, I wouldn't say that. I think we're generating $125,000,000 $150,000,000 a quarter now at current prices. I think at above $325,000,000 our first Priority will be to make sure we keep enough cash on the balance sheet, around 300 plus to complete G3. That's the first priority. If we do have delevering opportunities, I mentioned the 2024 bonds, they don't make sense today. But if that was to change, we'd take a look at that as well, and We'd have room to do buybacks as well. So I think at 3.25 and above, you shouldn't be thinking that's a 2023 story. Okay, thanks. And then just, I guess, how concerned are you on the gas issues at Tyson and New Zealand, and how did that play a part in your decision to restart Q3? Yes. I probably won't comment on those because we're really close Quarter end here and certainly leadership in this industry is very important to us and it generates a lot of value For our company, so we think of leadership, not specific assets. When we think of How we maintain and grow our leadership? Our goal is to grow in line with the market. That's still our goal. And I'll comment more about Titan in New Zealand in 10 days from now when we have our Q2 call. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Eric Petrie with Citi. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning, Jeff. Good morning. In your IRR calculation, what is your embedded cost of freight to Asia? And I know WFS added 8 dual fueled ships at the end of last year. Would you have to add any more ships to transport that methanol to Asia? Hi. It's Vanessa James, SVP Global marketing. So we have an embedded freight rate in the calculation around, you could call it $70 which is Above where we see the market today. So we built again conservatism into how we look at moving that product to Asia. And I think your second question was around would we need to add vessels for G3. We're always in a fleet renewal program. We have 8 vessels being delivered over the next 2 years as part of fleet renewal and all those vessels will be dual fuel. So I think it's fair to say we'll continue to look at our vessel program as we build to G3, and we'll continue to renew that fleet. Yes. With the loss of New Zealand, the loss of Titan and some less production in Chile, we need a few less ships for those routes. So We run our shipping as a global industry basis, and we're always looking, like Vanessa said, to renew In our partnership with MOL, it will create other opportunities that they may have some idle or excess capacity that we could Look at it as well. So I think they got 800 ships. I know they're not all chemical tankers, but still it gives you a tremendous Amount of flexibility when you've got a partner like that to think about maybe different ways of organizing our shipping. Great. Helpful. And then on Slide 10, the China capacity additions of the 6,600,000 tons, Is that gross or net and are you expecting closures in that number of higher cost smaller plants? And then what's the up Besides your 14,000,000 tons of estimated committed industry capacity additions, is there a band that We should be thinking of compared to the 16,000,000 tons of demand growth over the same period. Hi, it's Vanessa, James again. So within that number within China, that includes the 2 backward integrated MTO plants within that 6,000,000 Yes, that's been well foreshadowed and half of that number. Yes, and there's another coal Base plant has been constructed, which ultimately we'll see as being a replacement for an existing plant. So we have seen that's a gross number, so that's Capacity additions, we know China over time lower operating rates overall. And I think as we go forward, expectation is Probably somewhere between €200,000,000 tonnes consistent with what we've seen historically. And John's comment Previously around environmental concerns going forward, I think that's going to weigh more heavily on future Additions within the methanolchemical space in China, in particular. Yes. Outside China, we have pretty good view on what's being built. So like I said, it's taking about 5 years to build a project. So I guess one of the benefits of the COVID-nineteen downturn was The projects that were being considered were obviously shelved quite significantly as we've seen in the Northwest innovation, for one example, in Washington. Even if you made an FID today on a new plant, it's probably going to be 4, 5 years from now. So Pretty good timing. I think when D3 comes up, the market should be will need the product and should be a great Supply demand balance to lead to good pricing. So we'll see. It's hard to predict next year, never mind 2.5 years from now. But Based on our detailed analysis of supply demand, we're pretty confident we'll be in a good environment on pricing as G3 comes up. Thank you, Cam. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Matthew Blair with Tudor, Pickering, Holt and Company. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning, John. Could you talk about the cadence Of the $800,000,000 to $900,000,000 remaining spend, looks like there's going to be about $50,000,000 in Q4 2021. And then what would be the split between 2022 and 2023? Yes. So When we're looking at 2021, it's about $100,000,000 in Q4 2022 about 410 and then 2023 about 355. Great. Thanks. And then I think you mentioned that G3 would have the lowest CO2 emissions in the industry. Could you talk about how you're able to do that? And is that something that you'll be able to monetize with customers? Or are we still a little ways away from that? Okay. Mike Herz again here. Thanks. It's Good question. We really like the positioning of T3 in terms of the carbon curve. It's one of the lowest it will be one of the lowest emissions in the world. And the way that happens, we don't we take the purge stream from G1 and G2, So hydrogen coming across, we have an ATR. It's very similar to what we did with our Chile board plant. And when you do that, that has a much lower CO2 emission intensity than What you've traditionally seen, which is older SMR plants, steam methane reforming plants that have been traditionally around on gas based methanol, And you see something that is 5 to 7 times less than your typical plant producing methanol in China from, say, coal. Great. Thank you. But to answer your question, there's no market for Customers that are willing to pay specifically higher for G3 molecules at this time. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Our next question is from John Roberts with UBS. Please go ahead. Great. Thank you. If I look at the $145,000,000 that MOL is paying and divide that by 40%, Is it fair to say Waterfront Shipping is capitalized at about $360,000,000 and what actually is in there? Sorry, you're asking what's in the enterprise value for Waterfront? Yes, there's obviously no ships in there, right? It's a small number. So Waterfront provides shipping service to Methanax and also Deploy ships for backhaul in shipping markets. So the revenue stream from Methanex, the revenue that's Derived from the activities in Clean Petroleum product shipping is the revenue that's within Waterfront, and your number is ballpark Appropriate. And what do you think is the difference between the outlook At IHS and MMSA, is it primarily a difference in energy forecast that they're using or do they have supply demand differences? Think you have to ask them, John. I don't speak for ISS or MMSA. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Steve Hansen with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Yes. Thanks, guys. Hey, John, for or to the extent that you can, can you speak to what mall really aims to get out of this new investment in Waterfront? I can certainly understand your motivation, But given that the data rate operations are really set to change here, I'm curious what their primary objectives are near term and perhaps what the longer term objective is, even are they looking for Complete ownership of Big Book over time. I'm just trying to understand what they're getting for $145,000,000 here. No. We're not looking to sell waterfront shipping. We want to have maintained it as part of our integrated logistics. So I think it's very important We maintain that. And we have not given up any of our flexibility, any of our ability to send the ships wherever. So we have exactly the same conditions as pre ownership by MOL. I think MOL is a shipping company, and We're a very attractive customer for them and we've been doing business with them for 30 years and they like the methanol business, they like Methanex And they saw this as an opportunity to enhance their relationship with the world's largest producer and shipper of methanol. And I wouldn't see this as a creeping takeover at all. I think we're happy with the forty-sixty split. And for both of us to cooperate on methanol Fuel chips is really the prize. I mean, the shipping industry is going to have to move from where they are today On the fuels that they use and methanol is one of the solutions. So there is a road here to green methanol at some point in the future Sure, it makes sense. It doesn't make sense today, but we know there are ways pathways to green methanol. And I think that's what most shipping companies like MOL and Naersk And others are thinking about it. We can't get there tomorrow, but we certainly can get there over time. So This is they're expanding their business all the time, and this was just a nice bolt on for them And to get to work with the largest producer and shipper of methanol. So it makes a lot of sense for everybody in this transaction and that's usually the best types of transactions To conclude. No, fair enough, I appreciate that. And do you think just on the marine opportunity, I mean, You know, we've been many that's on the line here have been following us for the better part of 5, 6 or 7 years even. And it always feels like it's just around the corner. But Do you think there's been a tipping point here or some sort of collective momentum that's generated in the last 6 months? You've mentioned a few of the key look, we're ready. But what do you think is driving that momentum in the last couple of months around some of these orders and commitments? Is it the mission side that's really driving it now at this point? Or how do you view that? Well, we've never said it's just around the corner. So I don't know where that's coming from. We've always been clear it's a mid to late decade demand driver. I've been very clear with that. When we started the first Stena engine way back when, it seems like a long time ago now, We were kind of laughed at, they're never going to work, what are you doing, how is that ever going to make sense. And then we bought our first two vessels with this flexible Fueled system and again, we're probably baboon now that's going to it's all going to be LNG, it's going to be LNG, what are you guys doing? Methanol is not going to be the We had a different view. We had a view that methanol was readily available around the world, east of the bunker, which we've proven recently in Rotterdam And a good substitute for heavy fuel oil and it could work and we've proven that. And The shipping industry looks at all the different options they have to meet today's regulations and future regulations and LNG is pretty tough. LNG is hard to handle. It's not readily available. Storage is difficult. So I think the realities of LNG of Sun Canada is shipping companies have looked at it. And they're looking at methanol and saying, yes, there is a pathway to green. I think that's for them where they want to end up some years from now. So it works, it's available, it's cost effective, It lowers emissions today, and there's a pathway to 0. So that's why all the interest. And I think shipping companies were looking to see if this worked and we proved it worked and now others are following on. So I still see it as a demand driver in the second half of That came in going into the next decade. So we'll see. That's great. And just squeeze one last one, if I may. It's just around the cadence on the debottlenecking How does that interlace with the G3 restart? Yes, I'll comment on the debottlenecking at the quarter end. It's Too close to quarter end to make any comments around that, but we'll have some news in a week, Steve. Okay. Very good. Thanks for the time. Thank you. There are no further questions registered at this time. I would like to turn the meeting back over to Mr. Floren. Thank you. Our outlook for methanol industry is positive and we have a strong financial position to reach our construction on Geismar 3 project has executed on our capital allocation priorities. Geismar 3 will strengthen our asset portfolio, We successfully improve our future cash generation capability and support a significant increase in our future shareholder distribution potential. Thank you for joining us today, and we'll speak with you again on July 29 to discuss our Q2, 2021 financial results. Thank you for the interest in our company. Thank you. The conference has now ended. 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