Earnings Call: Q1 2018

Apr 26, 2018

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Methanek Corporation Q1 2018 Earnings Call. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Ms. Kim Campbell. Please go ahead, Ms. Campbell. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our first quarter 2018 results conference call. Our 2018 first quarter of news release management's discussion and analysis and financial statements can be accessed from the Reports tab of the Investor Relations page on our website. At www.methanex.com. I would like to remind our listeners that our comments and answers to your questions today may contain forward looking information. This information, by its nature, is subject to risks and uncertainties that they may cause the stated outcome to differ materially from the actual outcome. Certain material factors or assumptions were applied in drawing the conclusions or making the forecasts or projections, which are included in the forward looking information. Please refer to our first quarter 2018 MD and A and to our 2017 annual report for more information. I would also like to caution our listeners that any projections provided today regarding Methanex's future financial performance are effective as of today's date. It is our policy not to comment on or update this guidance between quarters. For clarification, any references to revenue, EBITDA, cash flow or income made in today's remarks reflects our 63.1 percent economic interest in the Atlas Facility and our 50 percent economic interest in the Egypt facility. In addition, we report our adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net income to exclude the mark to market impact on share based compensation and the impact of certain items associated with specific identified events. We report these non GAAP measures in this way to make them a better measure of underlying operating performance and we encourage analysts covering the company to report their estimates in this manner. I would now like to turn the call over to Methanex's President and CEO, Mr. John Florin, for his comments a question and answer period. Thanks, Kim. Good morning, everybody. Our strong first quarter 2018 financial results continued to illustrate the earnings and cash generation capability of our company. Average realized methanol prices were higher in to Q1 2018 compared to Q1 2018 at $4.02 per tonne and production continued to be very strong. We achieved a record for adjusted EBITDA of $306,000,000. Adjusted net income was $171,000,000 or $2.03 per share. Our results were slightly below analyst consensus as a result of a higher discount than analysts forecasted. Analyst forecasted 14.4% versus our 15.4% achieved in Q1 and our guidance of 15%. In addition, a build to produce product inventory of 59,000 metric tons, primarily due to timing of vessel shipments at the end of Q1, contributed to the slight miss. Methanol prices rose in January February, moderated somewhat in March and have remained strong into the second quarter of 2018. Our April contract prices in North America and Asia Pacific remained unchanged from our March prices at $4.96 per ton and $4.60 per ton respectively. We recently announced our May contract price for North America, which remains unchanged. Our second quarter 2018 posted price for Europe remains unchanged from the 1st quarter at per ton. Overall, methanol demand was 4% higher in Q1 2018 compared to Q1 2017. Demand for traditional chemical applications was steady and supported by healthy demand for acetic acid. Energy related demand was solid reflective of stricter environmental regulations in China, higher energy prices and a strong methanol to olefins MTO demand. During the quarter, MTO facilities that were not experiencing technical issues operated at high rates. We expect 3 other MTO plants currently under construction to be completed over the coming months with the combined capacity to consume over 3,000,000 tons of methanol annually, at full operating rates. Methanol supply was impacted in the first quarter by maintenance activities and unplanned outages in North America and the Middle East. As well as the diversion of natural gas for methanol production to residential heating impacted supply in China early in the quarter. Production levels for those facilities have improved following the end of the winter heating season. In February, we announced that we'll be adding 4 new ocean going vessels powered by methanol fuel technology to our waterfront shipping fleet. These vessels can run on methanol, fuel oil, marine, diesel or gas oil and are expected to be delivered in 2019. With these additions, 40% of our waterfront shipping fleet will be powered by methanol fuel technology. In Trinidad, we produced 459,000 equity tons in the first quarter of 2018. We continue to experience gas restrictions in expect to receive approximately 85% of our contracted gas supply for the foreseeable future. In New Zealand, production in the first was impacted by gas supply constraints as a result of regularly scheduled gas field maintenance and a damaged natural gas pipeline impacting gas deliveries from offshore sources. We expect that natural gas supply to our New Zealand site will continue to be restricted in Q2 while repairs are completed We are also currently undertaking turnaround and maintenance activities at our Mont, New East site. As a result, we expect our New Zealand facility to produce approximately 3 1000 tons of methanol during the second quarter of 2018. 6000 tons compared to the 109,000 tons produced in the fourth quarter. Using natural gas from Chile as well as natural gas from Argentina, through a tolling arrangement. We expect production from Chile to be higher The restart of our Chile IV plant is progressing well and we expect to complete this project by the end of Q3 2018 at a cost of $55 secure additional gas supply to underpin a 2 plant operation running at higher rates by the end of the decade. If we are successful in securing sufficient gas to support a 2 plant operation, we anticipate spending an additional $50,000,000 to refurbish our Chile 1 plant This modest capital investment has the potential to add approximately 800,000 tons to our current operating capacity. In Egypt, we continue to receive 100 percent of our contracted gas supply, and we achieved excellent results producing 165,000 equity tons during the quarter. We expect to operate at close to full operating operating rates in Egypt. As a result of an agreement we reached with the lenders to the Egypt debt facilities, our Egypt entity distributed $62,500,000 to its shareholders of which $31,300,000 is attributable to Methanex. This is the first distribution to shareholders from our Egypt entity since 2014, and reflects the strong production and cash generating capability of the Egypt facility. We ended the quarter with $371,000,000 in cash on the balance sheet. Methanix share of the cash, including our proportional share of Egypt and Atlas cash, was $355,000,000. We commenced a new 10% share repurchase program on March 13, and as of March 31, we purchased 650,000 shares for $38,000,000. The pace to complete the repurchase program will depend on methanol prices and our ability to generate excess cash. In all, we returned $66,000,000 to shareholders through a regular dividend and share repurchases during the quarter. Our planned maintenance capital to the end of 2018 is estimated to be in the range of $90,000,000 to $105,000,000. During the quarter, We made good progress on developing our potential Geismar III production facility, including securing land adjacent to our existing Geismar III production facility. The acquisition of the land provides the necessary space for a potential Geismar III production facility. We also potential Geismar III project and look forward to the continued support of our local community partners in the state of Louisiana. We believe the potential Geismar III project would be advantaged relative to other projects being contemplated or under construction in the U. S. Gulf. The Geismar III project would benefit from the existing infrastructure and economies of scale as the combined site would be capable of producing approximately 3,800,000 tons per year. Our preference is to bring complete the front end engineering and design or FEED, which could commence as early as the second half of twenty eighteen. There are a number of factors to consider before a final investment decision is made, and we do not anticipate having enough information to make a decision until mid-twenty 9 team at the earliest. We do not anticipate significant capital to be spent on the potential of ASMR III project before reaching a final investment decision. We are also pursuing debottlenecking opportunities related to our current Geismar 1 and 2 plants that could add between another 10% to 15% to existing capacity with very modest capital investment compared to new build economics, which we estimate today to be approximately 1100 tons $1100 a tonne of capacity. We do not have any major capital expenditure beyond standard maintenance capital, restarting our Chile IV plant and possibly refurbishing our Chile 1 plant over the coming 15 to 18 months. We expect average methanol prices to remain steady in the second quarter of 2018 compared to the first quarter of 2018 based on our posted contract prices in April and May. Based on our guidance for New Zealand production in the second quarter, we expect production levels to be lower than the first quarter, which should result in lower earnings Thank you. You. Questions. Our first question is from Daniel Jester with Citi. Please go ahead. Good morning. It's been a few quarters now since China announced that they want to do an ethanol mandate. So now that the dust has settled a bit, I'm just wondering how you guys are taking a look at that. How do you think that could impact Methanol blending into gasoline in China and how do you think that could affect the MTBE markets? Yes. So they did announce a standard in a number of provinces to use some existing corn that they have. When we look at the actual details, there's not enough capacity to turn that corn into ethanol in China today. Doesn't mean they can't build it. But we're still watching that file. But right now, we don't think there's any real short term impact to either methanol or NTP TVE demand. They would have to, I said, invest quite a bit to have capacity to turn the corn into ethanol. Most of the work in China recently on methanol has been at the high level blends, the 85% to 100% methanol kind of engines. And even the ethanol mandate we see is at the low level blends. So there could be some impact, on some of the low level blends, but most of the work in the the growth has been in the high level blends. We don't see that being impacted even if, it goes for ethanol goes forward to the rate that's been announced. On MTBE, I think asking the MTB suppliers to answer that question is probably a little easier than me. There is methanol used in MTBE in China and we've seen this, the ethanol situation evolve in Europe in the past. And some switch to ETB, but a lot stayed at MTD. So probably don't have a great insight on the NTBE issue and other suppliers of M2B would be better to answer that question. Okay. Thanks. That's very helpful. And then on the 4 new ships that you've ordered, Should we take this as a sign that you have greater confidence that you're going to be able to complete both phases of the Chile project or are these to replace some of your older ships? And are you doing anything differently on these ships compared to the 1st batch of ships that you ordered? Yes. So these are ships replacing some existing vessels that are coming to end of life. We do a lot of backhaul cargoes around the world and a lot of the big shipping companies that mainly in the CTP products don't won't use vessels that are over fifteen years old. So It's just part of our normal rotation of our ships. I'll remind you, our production capacities increased quite substantially and we're planning to increase it more in Chile. So that is our plan. So we're getting out ahead of what we think will be successful. Don't want to say we're, starting up Chile or refurbishing Chile 1 yet, but we're getting more and more confident that that'll be the case. So it takes a while to build these vessels and like I said, we'll take delivery in 2019, which should line up with some additional capacity for our company, but early days on that yet. As far as the technology, it'll be exactly the same technology that we have on the 7 vessels. We've learned a lot, especially around how to deliver fuel into the engines because these are dual fuel engines. There's 2 different fuel delivery and methanol needs a different type of fuel delivery system than, let's say, diesel. So we've learned we had some teething problems. We learned a lot. We'll apply those learnings into building of these ships. Our next question is from Jacob Bout with CIBC. Please go ahead. Hi. So John, I just had a question on Geismar III versus Medicine Hat 2. So with your recent updates on Geismarite 3, does that mean that a potential medicine had 2s on the sidelines? Go ahead. Yes. And how are you prioritizing both options as we look at this longer term? Yeah. Both are very, very good projects. Both are privileged projects versus other new builds, or potential new builds in North America. When we worked on both projects in a parallel way, we came to land on a third plant in Geismar. It seemed to have a little bit more advantage than Medicine Hat. Having said that, we're still working on Medicine Hat and some issues we have to overcome. And I've always said the main one is how do we get the product from Alberta to Asia and that requires rail and terminaling. So those issues we're still working on and they're a little bit more difficult today than let's say they were a couple of years ago. And then there's a whole carbon tax issue, getting certainty around that carbon tax issue. But the team's still working on that. We still think medicine has a great place to be producing methanol. It's got advantaged gas. Been watching the gas price in Western Canada. Been below a dollar on the spot. So that would make up for a lot of the extra freight we'd have in railing the stuff to the coast and then getting it to Asia. So we've just prioritized the G3 project over Medicine Hat. It doesn't mean that Medicine Hat is dead by any means, but it just means we're putting our efforts into G3. And I want to have a strategic partner for G3 and if we're successful in achieving that, I would say MediSant might go for more quickly than our current thinking, but we'll see how things evolve. Maybe just moving on to New Zealand. So we're seeing some supply side gas issues there. Could you maybe just provide an update on the repair work that's been done on the gas pipeline there? And do you expect some of these issues to creep into, say, the 3rd quarter or should they be done by the 2nd quarter? Well, there were 2 issues in the quarter with gas. There was a planned regular maintenance for one of the large platforms, which we were informed of some time ago. So that was incorporated into our planning. Unfortunately, at that similar time or as that was actually being completed or near completed, One of the other suppliers of gas from a different platform or field had a damage to a pipeline. We don't really know today how long it's going to be out. And we've provided guidance on what we think our production will be. I think we're fortunate to be doing maintenance on our two plants at the same time that this issue has happened. So the net impact will be less than if it had to happen without our planned maintenance. So I think we're pretty lucky that these two events are concurring at the same time. But I think it we're in contact with supplier on a frequent basis. And it's probably a 2Q, Q2 issue, but we'll see how the repairs progress and and then we can guide on our next call. Thank you. Our next question is from Joel Jackson with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Maybe just first on cost. Is there something in your cost profile that's different than 2017, maybe higher costs, whether it's freight SG And A, maybe some change in some of your gas, methanol price sharing arrangements, maybe the way you pay for gas when metform prices stick around these kind of levels. Maybe is there anything going on in your cost base versus 'seventeen that's different? No, nothing really changed Joel. I mean, we do pay more for some of our gas with methanol prices increase. Quarter to quarter there may be slight differences in freight and backhauls and some backhaul revenue is a big part of our net freight numbers. So sometimes we achieve a little bit more a little less, but on the cost structure, there's really nothing of significance or report that's different. It's mainly quarter over quarter noise. And so really nothing there, Joel, to say. Okay. And back on G3, so you talked about your presence as a partner. You also talked about $1100 a ton estimate for new tons at G3, if I understood correctly. So I mean, it sounds like you would go ahead without a partner or what conditions would you need at 11 at all the time to be comfortable in going forward with, with this plant? I mean, you need to be considering where you're treating that versus replacement? Awesome. In different facets of sort of, you weigh Yes. So our preference is to have a strategic partner. We certainly don't need the money to complete a project on our own. But we think there's a few partners that we talk are talking with that bring other than money, some other strategic advantages to our company and to our shareholders. So if we're not able to conclude significant strategic value, then we'll we'll do this on our own if the numbers work. The $1100 I mentioned was what we see for projects under construction are being considered. This project is nowhere near, that order of magnitude. Part of doing the FEED is to confirm the capital costs of the project, plus or minus 10% instead of the 30% that we're at today. But there's a lot of advantages project versus what's being built out there. Now we've got existing facilities where we can take off gas from, which would make it more capital light versus a greenfield site. We've already got the Terminalling. We've already got the the for fridge. So there's a lot and then we'd only have to add of fifty people to the site. And so we're working hard to really get the capital cost way below $1000 a ton. So and that's what it's a fairly big plant. So you'd expect when you build a big plant, you can achieve much better than the 1000 we used to guide to, but What we're seeing based on public information is projects under construction are being considered are in that $1100 a ton, even without an oxygen plant or even terminaling. So we would not undertake a project in Geismar anywhere close to that type of capital I don't want to throw a number out today because we need to do our work. And it'll take us about 9 to 12 months to do that work. And then I'll we'll have a bit more comfort about the actual capital costs. And then really it'll be a decision around what a methanol markets look like as well as our ability to execute in what is a very tight labor market in Louisiana. And that's part of what we're going to be doing over the 9 to 12 months is to try to derisk the projects so that we have a real solid execution strategy that we don't experience the cost overruns that we've seen in so many other projects. So provided we still continue to see the market grow at 4% or 5% and we can get with the capital cost, then we'll make that decision. But you shouldn't think of us spending any significant capital on this product till 20 'nineteen late or 2020. So John, as a partner, is that like a gas supply partner or I don't know what Chinese IPO offtake partner, what sort of how you want to partner? Well, somebody that brings strategic value to our shareholders and our company. So there's a number of different partners that would qualify there. Gasifier would be great. Somebody that may want to build their own methanol plant in the region, somebody that takes off takes a lot of methanol. That so there's a lot of different parties that would be very strategic for us and we're talking to a number of different parties. So we haven't concluded with any particular party. And, we're optimistic we will and that we'll achieve a strategic partner that will bring much more value over and above just their equity or capital to the product. So if we can't achieve that, then we'll do it on our own. If we can get comfortable with the capital costs and the in the execution and that the market needs the product. Our next question is from John Roberts with UBS. Please go ahead. Thank you. Just to follow-up on that, would you consider bringing a partner into Geismar 1 or Geismar 2 and or 2? I know you don't need the cash, but if a partner brings strategic value to Geismar III, maybe they would bring strategic value to the existing operations. Anything that would add to shareholder value that would create value for shareholders, we would consider. We're not having any discussions today around other assets to bring partners into, but it doesn't mean that we couldn't do that. But right now, we're focused on the potential G3 project. Okay. And then back on the China fuel blending, if China is slow to build their ethanol capacity and again, it looks like they're kind of slow off the mark here. Could actually low level methanol blending benefit here in the near term if they want to blend in alcohol and just don't have the ethanol? Yes, I think they're already blending some low level blends, but their focus has been on high level blends the past few years. And that's where we see 100% 85% blends. They still have good supplies of gasoline. So I think the ethanol story as we understand it is really to use up some corn stock that's been there and probably not be able to use for food. So I think that's the driving. And yes, using an alcohol to burn with gasoline helps with clean and rare, but where you really get the big benefit is that higher level blends. So I think this is a specific issue related to some corn inventory in China. And I think it will take some time for them to execute on what they've announced. We don't know how long, but certainly to build capacity in to build the infrastructure is going to take some years. Okay. You wouldn't expect low level methanol blending then to kind of reaccelerate. I think if they've got this plan to go at low level ethanol, it's unlikely that you're gonna see additional. But we're watching it. It's developing. And again, the focus has been on high level blends over the last few years. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from Hassan Ahmed with Alembic Global. Please go ahead. John, obviously, early days and god knows what direction this whole sort of China sanctions thing takes, the tariff side of things. But let's assume for a second that it does happen. How are you thinking about the impact on methanol? And let me just expand on that a bit further. I mean, obviously, I'm not sort of talking about the direct side of things, more the indirect side, where obviously polyethylene, is included in the list of tariffs. So I would imagine maybe potentially MTO becomes maybe attractive as a long, long word to use the MTO operating rates go up as less imports from the U. S. Go into China. Then you have the propane side because obviously propane's been mentioned on the tariff side as well. So maybe NTP operating rates go up as the PDH units out there aren't sort of getting enough propane imported propane to produce the propylene. So I mean, am I thinking about this the right way? Would love to hear you all talk about it? Yes, based on what's been announced, that's the analysis that we would do, but trade wars are never good for anybody. We're a globally traded chemical. We like open markets. We like free trade. I don't know where this is going to go. Would the products have been announced? Yes, it would positive for methanol and methanol imports, but it could escalate, which who knows where that could go. I think we're very fortunate to have 6 sites around the world that we could switch our supply chain overnight to compensate for any potential one on one tariffs between China and the U. S. As an example, it might be a little bit more costly, but it wouldn't prevent us from selling into China. I really don't know where this is going to go. And I hope cooler heads prevail. And I think, global free trade has really helped all economies around the world And I think there's lots of proof out there that that's the best way to move people into the middle class. So I'm optimistic that there's a lot of talk, but not a lot of action yet, but we do have tremendous flexibility to respond to any potential China U. S. Escalation. Fair enough. And just sticking to China, as a follow-up, I know a couple of months ago, on the earnings call, you were talking about sort of Chinese inventory levels being, methanol inventory levels being quite low. Is that still the case on the Chinese side? Any commentary about sort of global methanol inventory levels as well? Yeah, it's still very low in China, remarkably though. I don't know if you've been following the spot market in the last few days, but it's been now well over $4.10 a ton again. So And then the inventories as reported are pretty low, and that's despite a number of MTO plants under maintenance. So everybody was thinking the sky was going to fall when the MTO plants go under maintenance and here we are going the other way. So, I think being a forecaster is a tough thing to do, whether it's weather or methanol prices. And, I think we look at supply demand balances and we're quite optimistic on what we see. Leading to a very solid, Our next question is from Nelson Ng with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Great. Thanks. So John, you mentioned the pipeline that got damaged that brings gas from offshore sources. Roughly, what is the mix between, I guess, offshore and onshore gas supplies for your New Zealand facilities Majority is off short. Okay. And then I guess following on that, any kind of initial thoughts on, I guess, New Zealand's decision to no longer give out, I guess, offshore oil and gas exploration permits. I know it's more of a long term thing, but what are your initial thoughts on that? Well, they've announced a ban on new permits, not existing permits. There hasn't been a lot of new permits issued in New Zealand because of the low oil price. Obviously, on a long term basis, it's not positive. There are a lot of existing blocks that have a lot of reserves that continue to be developed and drilled, but I think it kind of caught us off guard and the industry off guard. New government there. So, first time they've been in the seat of government for quite some time. So not positive for us on a long, long term basis, probably zero impact on a short term basis, but we're certainly working with the government. They were down to our site the energy minister and the prime minister is coming down to see us as well in May. And we're just trying to understand the rationale for further decision making and and see and the industry itself, the upstream, trying to understand where the government's heading on this issue. And as it evolves, we'll be able to report more, but I think you're right to characterize it more as a longer term issue, but not positive. Okay. And then just a quick one on Geismar 3. So the $1,800,000, I guess metric ton capacity, like how did you arrive at that? Is that based on the size of the land available pipeline capacity? Or could the size of G3 change plus minus 10% or 20% Yes, it's pretty standard technology that we're pretty familiar with and it would be oxygen based. So, I think when we look at how much do we want to have on that site today? That was a nice number. That had nothing to do with pipeline capacity. We got lots of land there. We got enough land to build another 3 plants if we want, 2 or 3 if we want, but we may also look to attract customers there. It's a nice site having a methanol producer there. And I know there's a number of customers looking to add capacity in the U. S. Because the conditions in the U. S. Are very favorable today from a cost perspective and tax perspective. So it gives us tremendous flexibility, even if we wanted to have an oxygen plant on the site and not buy a cross defense. So having land in that area that you can use in the future, I think, is really good good option value. And right now, I wouldn't want to speculate on anything else, but a potential G III project, but we certainly have tremendous flexibility now with with the acquisition of the land right next to our site. Our next question is from Lawrence Alexander with Jefferies. Please go ahead. Good afternoon. So two quick ones. Can you update on how you're seeing the regulatory incentive framework for industrial boiler use in China? And then after the, can you give a sense for the MTO how much demand comes back on after this maintenance turnaround period winds down? And what the pipeline looks like after the next three planes. Okay. On the coal boilers application today. I think it's about 1,800,000 tons and growing. So that continues to To evolve, we're working with the government and the boiler manufacturers on standardization, specification, safety and handling We would expect that application to continue to gain quite a bit of momentum as they look to replace coal boilers with more clean burning fuels like methanol and natural gas. Exactly how it's going to grow. It's a bit of a guess, but it's kind of grown pretty quickly. And we're really wanting to work on the standards and safe handling of methanol into that application. There's 500,000 of these in the country and each for any year would use 1000 tons. So we're really at very, very small penetration in what could be a very large application. As far as MTO, there's about four plants down for maintenance for different lengths of time, so about 500,000 tons in the quarter kind of off. If it all comes back and runs at full rates, is that order of magnitude. So it's not insignificant in the quarter. I think there's also a lot of unplanned and planned maintenance around the world. So, how does that come back? How do those plants run? These are the things we watch each and every day as we make our pricing decisions and our outlook. As far as, there's the 3 plants I mentioned. There's not all there's a lot of announcements, I'd say, on the next potential wave of MTO, but not a lot of steel on the ground. So certainly as oil prices have gone up and that the prices have gone up, it's positive. For MTO. But I think right now there's a bit of a wait and see how the markets evolve. Hassane mentioned the potential PDH issues and MTP. So I think in our forecast, we have a few more as we get to the end of the decade, but really what's what's being built or has been built in under construction is probably what we're going to see for the next few years. Good, perfect. Thank you. Our next question is from the Steve Hansen with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Yeah, good morning guys. John, in the past you've mentioned the idea of a substantial issuer bid at some point this year once sufficient cash power builds up, maybe just a quick update on your thoughts there. The timing, if you have any sort of sense around that or how much cash you would need to go ahead with such a plan? And just as a related point, is there any decision or is there any influence on the substantial issue bid based upon your G III announcement or the idea of G III perhaps accelerating it a little sooner than some might have thought? No, no impact at all. We're going to generate a ton of cash at current prices and we'll be able to complete NCIB. We may be able to do it substantial issuer bid depending on how pricing evolves in the second half. There's a lot of people pretty negative on pricing for the second half. So we'll see how it evolves. I think we'd like to do around $300,000,000 on a substantial issuer bid. So, and G3, like I said, we're not going to have any major capital spend till late next year. So really our capital allocation has not changed at all. I mean, we have not made the FIT on G3. We had a lot of work to do. To tie off some of the risks as well as make sure that the market needs the product and that we can deliver it into Asia where all the product will go at a cash cost that is on the cost on a point of cost curve that we think during the next potential downturn that we'd still be very cash positive. So there's a lot of work we've got to do, but our capital allocation has not changed at all. We're just getting a little bit more, directive on G III because we got the land. And we're we're we've been progressing this project for some years. So there's another milestone, but there's still a lot of work to do. But we're optimistic we can have something in the 2022 period that could could be very interesting from a cost point of view and the market will be looking for the product at that time. And versus other projects being considered. Another product center to construction, this will be much more competitive. And right now, If you look around the world, the only places that are really announcing any significant capacity is the United States. So for obvious reasons. So we'll continue to work on it, but it really hasn't changed our capital allocation strategy. Okay, that's helpful. It does sound compelling. Maybe just as a follow-up, I think, on a question earlier, but this may go back several years now. So maybe the thoughts are outdated, but I do recall you mentioning in the past the idea of these 1,600,000, 1,700,000 tonne plants is being less desirable just in the context of some of the technology not being quite as reliable and or the idea of downtime being a little bit more significant once they go down. Is that also an issue these days in your mind? It seems While our team's been doing a lot of work on that very issue, and we have 2 models now, conventional steam reforming, which we can get up to 1.2 and then 1.3 and then oxygen based. And the challenge of the oxygen based We didn't have much experience in running oxygen plants. And when we had them third party, they didn't have redundancy built into their in plan. So when it went down, we went down. I think Louisiana is a much different situation because you have a number of suppliers. You have ability to buy pipeline oxygen. And like I mentioned, we have enough land if we want to consider our own oxygen plant. So I think it's quite different. I think we've also got more and better at operating oxygen plants, they're different. And even the steam reforming plants in the early years, they took us many and many years to figure out how to run those. So, I think we have 2 models and depending on where in the world and what the The conditions are that particular location will use either or. So that's where we've landed on our new build philosophy for production capacity. Thank you. Our next question is from Charles Nevert with Cowen. Please go ahead. Just under the wire on morning. Looking at the plants in Chile, you said, I think this quarter you got, was it 40,000 tons of your production came through gas supplied by Argentina. Is that going to be consistent going forward from here? Or is it sort of every quarter you have to figure out what you're going to get or they're going to figure out what you get? I mean, and what are we looking for? And if you have some ideas, what it looks like for the next few quarters going forward? Yes. What we've always said about the operation down there is, during their winter periods, they'll operate at lower rates during their summer period. We'll operate at higher rates. Not from both Argentina and Chile, but the town of Puerto Reyes consumes more gas in Chile. So we and in Argentina, they consume more gas the wintertime than in the summertime. I would say we're going to continue to receive gas on the tolling, going forward. It may be more restricted in their wintertime, like I mentioned, but we're in talks with a number of different suppliers on the Argentinian side to get additional gas on a contracted basis during their next summer. So haven't been successful in concluding anything, but I would say you should expect higher operating rates in their summer than in their winter. Okay. And this would be bit of a high class problem, but if looking forward, if Chile is able to produce enough gas that both your plants could conceivably run-in Argentina through other things now has more gas. Is there is there, I won't say a preference, but is there an a hierarchy there as who's going to supply the gas? Obviously, Chile would prefer to supply it if they've got it. But is there some sort of rule that's going to work if they for lack of a better word clash at some point? Well, I think competition is always good. Competition is good for pricing and we're the only big consumer of gas in that part of the world. So having a competitive situation is always better than having a sole supplier. Certainly, as we're discussing these various issues with the suppliers, that's a big point of discussions. So nothing to report today, but to me, I always like to have multiple suppliers as opposed to one, but we'll see how things evolve. I think we've been very pleased with the progress on the Chile side and they're continuing to be successful on their exploration development. Of gas. We're a big consumer. So we're a big part of the solution down there for EnAP. And, we're working closely with them on this I think our solution though to get the 2 plants running at full rates is partially Argentina. So how much of each, when, how much in the summer of the winter. Those are all things that we're working through. Thank you. Our next question is from Matthew Blair with Tudor Pickering Holt. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning, John. How are you doing? Good morning. Good. I was hoping to come back to G3. Could you talk about how you would finance such a project? Just kind of rough numbers. It looks like it would be roughly around $1,500,000,000 or so. What kind of split between debt and equity should we expect? And would this be something where you would plan to build a lot of cash on the balance sheet before you really ramp up the CapEx here? Yes, it's too early to even go there. I mean, if we have a partner, we're not going to need very much. I mean, there's a lot of brownfield advantages to that plant that we would like to monetize. So when we look at we get a partner for that for that project. We're not going to have very much of our own capital, but we're going to go through the work in the next 9 to 12 months to firm up the capital cost. I think the number you're throwing out is way premature to be even talking about numbers. So We haven't done our work yet, but if we bring a partner in, our actual cash contribution to this new project will be very minimal. Got it. And then production was really quite strong in the quarter. 3 of your six sites ran above nameplate capacity. How are you able to do this? Is this a result of debottlenecking that's already occurred? And what should we expect going forward here? Yes. I'll remind you when we talk about nameplate, that's over the average cycle of the of the catalyst, right? The catalyst is changed out every 3 to 4 years. So when you put in new catalyst, you get higher operating rate. And as you get to the end of the catalyst life, you get a little lower operating rate. So the nameplate of the average of that cycle. So yes, there are times when we'll run a little bit stronger. Some of the plants can run a little bit above nameplate, but I think we're comfortable guiding to nameplate and we again had a really, really strong reliability in the quarter. Our target's been 97% for a long time and we achieved almost 99%. So that had a huge impact on what you just were mentioning. So all sites ran well. It was a record production. I think by a ton, I don't know how we got a ton more, but anyways, we got a ton more. And Our plants are performing extremely well. We've invested a lot in the plants. We've invested a lot in the people. We've invested a lot in understanding the reliability we've had. And we're benefiting from some of those investments. Doesn't mean we're not going to have issues going forward, but the investments we made certainly paid off in Q1. And the goal and the challenge for the team is to maintain that kind of production level and and we'll see how things go for the balance of the year. Thank you. Our next question is from Jonas Oxgaard with Bernstein. Please go ahead. Good morning. I was wondering a bit, you said you're looking at debottlenecking. And this is the typical response that high margins. Have you seen the industry at large looking at the bottom right now? Or have they already done so in the previous price spike? I think we have unique opportunities that others wouldn't have. When I'm talking about debottlenecking, it's similar to what we did in Medicine Hat a number of years ago. When we refurbished the plant, we were able to secure a stream of CO2 from a neighboring plant. And by adding in the CO2 that for very modest capital, we were able to get another 10% to 15% capacity out of the existing steel. So that's what we're looking at in Geismar. The plant in Geismar as a steam reforming plant, the 2 of them similar to Medicine Hat. There is excess CO2 and other off gases in the region that are you being used for fuel or other applications that may have more value to make nothing else. So we were talking to potential suppliers. And I think that's another great thing about the Geismar side is you have all these interconnections and all these potential suppliers of these other off gases that you can buy at very low and then for very low capital add capacity. So think we're unique in that area. So we'll continue to pursue it. And that's another way to add capacity of the couple 100, 300,000 tons without much capital. Okay. Thank you. And on the flip side, It makes sense under any methanol price environment. So it's not just the high price that we would do this. That's great. And so you haven't heard from other participants in the market of them doing similar things? We have not. Okay. The flip side of that question, the MTO producers in China have been running at persistently negative margins for quite some time. We're hearing rumors that they're looking at getting ethylene in through pipeline instead of running their own plants, but haven't seen anything specific Have you heard anything around those, around those plans? Well, the MTO producers have not been running at negative margins. They've been running at positive margins. When you look at the site on an integrated basis, we have not heard rumors about ethylene pipelines into the NTO plants, but you probably have a better pipeline than we do on rumors. So we'll continue to see what actually happens and what's actually the results and the behaviors, then we'll report accordingly. Thank you. Our last question is from Chris Shaw with Monness Christie. Please go ahead. Good morning, everyone. How are you doing? Hi, Chris. As long as I've covered you guys, I think 4 or 5 years now, you guys have always traded at a discount to, I guess, replacement cost. It's probably in that $700 to $800 a ton right now. Mean, if this is a, if you guys hold a view that you'll continue to trade at a discount to replacement costs for, I don't know, a decade or so, how does that I mean, if you had that view or do you have that view? And if so, how does that like impact your, I guess, decisions around the new capacity, particularly I guess G3? Yes. Replacement cost is one measure on the valuation of a company. I don't know of any chemical company that trades that replacement cost on a sustainable basis. Certainly, if you're trading at hockey replacement cost, you're discounted, but if you're close to 80%, I think that's where most chemical companies trade over the cycle. Also to trade at full replacement cost, I think you'd have to have 25 year gas contracts to underpin each and every one of your assets, which we don't have. And each and every asset would have to be refurbished to new condition. And that's certainly not our case as well. So I think we use replacement cost as a proxy as one valuation, but I think we're always going to trade at how much EBITDA we can generate in a multiple of EBITDA and therefore cash and what we do with that cash. We've been very disciplined in our approach to capital allocation. We've returned a lot of money to shareholders and dividends and share repurchases. We used to have 200,000,000 shares. We're now just north of 80,000,000 We've had a sustainable growing dividend since 2002 returned a lot of cash that way. And our return on capital employed, I would stack up to any chemical company in the world. We've been very disciplined when we've made an investment. Our hurdle rate is 13% on capital employed. And in markets like this, we're exceeding that significantly. So if you look at the average of the last 12, 13 years, we've had a really, really solid return on capital employed. So we'll remain disciplined. And I think we think as we've done in the past, we can do all 3. We can buy back shares. We can have a meaningful sustainable growing dividend and we can grow the company as long as The market is there that needs more methanol. We have about a 15% market share. We'd like to grow our market share in line with the growth of the industry. We're not looking to make it 20 But as the industry grows and the market grows, we'd like to maintain around that 15%. And if we can't do that with projects that have a really high probability of returning more than 13% and will return, capital to shareholders in the form of buybacks and dividends. That hasn't changed And that's what Thank you. There are no further questions registered at this time. I would like to turn the meeting back over to you Mr. Floren. Great. Thank you. We are very pleased with our first quarter 2018 results. In the first quarter, we achieved record adjusted EBITDA and adjusted earnings per share. Our strong performance reflects the investments we've made in our production assets over the last few years and enable us to generate significant cash flows across a broad range of methanol prices. Also the leverage to our strong earnings has improved dramatically as a result of our recent share buyback programs. Since 2013, we have reduced the share down by 14%. Our priorities for capital allocation are to continue to meet our financial commitments, sue our growth opportunities and return excess cash to shareholders through dividends and share buybacks. Pacific time. This meeting will be focused on the business items outlined in our information circular. The meeting will be webcast live on the Investor Relations section of our website at www.methanex.com. Thank you for the interest in our company. Thank you.